VGC17 Discussion General

>Kartana and Pheromosa legal

And people actually take the VGC meta game seriously. Blows my mind.

>>29888352
fuck off smogondrone, this is for OFFICIAL and REAL competitive discussion

>>29888033
Where is this based on?

Here's what I'm thinking for my Gen VII-exclusive VGC Team:

First off, a special attacking Toxapex. It will have full investment into HP and SpA, with Scald, Venoshock, Toxic Spikes, and Wide Guard. It will have Merciless as an ability.

To open with it, I was thinking Salazzle. Fast, special attacking, and boasting Toxic to help Toxapex get off its high damaging attacks.

Third teammate will be Passimian, boasting full investment into Speed and Atk, as well as Receiver, to hopefully grab Merciless or Corrosion. Lots of strong physical attacks, and Toxic just in case it does happen to get Corrosion.

For the final three, I was thinking maybe Decidueye for that awesome unique Z-Move, and the binding powers of Spirit Shackle to prevent switching out of the Toxic.Then two fillers based on raw power, maybe Tapu Lele and Kartana.

>>29888352
They'll have mega rayquaza syndrome. Overpowering in singles, but ok in doubles since they can only ever attack one thing at a time.

Pheromosa is handily dealt with by any poison, fairy, or flying type.
Kartana gets destroyed by any spread special move.

For reference, deoxys-a is uber in singles but is lowish A tier in DOU.iirc.

>>29888468
stay woke mommy

I'm going to try to use pheromosa, although I'm not sure how good it will actually be. It basically needs a sash to work in doubles

but with neat tricks like u-turn and speed swap I think it will have broader applications than your typical glass cannon

I'm looking at special celesteela with some interest as well

>>29888616
That's why you pair Pheromosa with follow me anything, although I think clefable is preferred

Was thinking about using one of the Starters, but there is no way of getting their HAs as of now. Specs HV Liquid Voice Primarina would've been pretty cash. UBs won't make a whole difference since most of them have one defensive stat that makes them easy to KO.

>>29888033
I'm thinking of running Tapu Fini, here's my current idea.

Tapu Fini @ Leftovers(not sure on this)
Ability: Misty Terrain
252 Hp/ 252 SpA/ 4 Def
-Swagger
-Moonblast
-Heal Pulse/Protect/Hydro Pump
-Taunt

Any suggestions?

is klefki available in alola? I might run a screen setter klefki.

>>29888822
dual screens is a waste of time

I like the look of alolan persian as an opener
fake out
foul play
parting shot
taunt

with just defenses and speed and fur coat

el oh el

I kinda doubt drizzle pelliper will see much use, even with the buffs it got. 4x weak to a move buffed by your weather is pretty shitty.

>>29888822
Yea your good

>>29888033
>Kartana becomes the new Talonflame

>>29888759
Misty Terrain negates status effects, so confusion from Swagger might be pointless. Same goes for Taunt perhaps (haven't used Misty Terrain, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

I just wish Vikavolt was better.

>>29888859
nah man

drizzle pelipper + tapu koku is going to be extremely potent

>>29888884
Swagger isn't for the enemy

>>29888888
nice sexdigits

>>29888468
chill

>>29888884
Maybe he means that he'll use it on his allies?

Araquanid @ Sitrus Berry/Life Orb
Ability: Water Bubble
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Atk
Impish Nature
- Liquidation
- Leech Life
- Poison Jab
- Entrainment

With the new discovered effect of Water Bubble, I think this could be a good set.

Liquidation and Leech Life are must, Poison Jab for the Tapus and Entrainment so you could pass your ability to water-type partners or crippling your foes.

Does Liquidation gets the Def drop 100%? I haven't played the game because reasons, so I don't know.

File: E4B75C00-F687-4D6E-86AC-276474142D0B-1538-000005C1AC2A5E3A_tmp.gif (3MB, 328x190px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 328x190px

>>29888888
>dem digits

>>29888888
czech'd

>>29888904
>>29888920
I forgot about that, actually. Seems fine then.

>>29888859
no one runs thunder, not even on rain teams

>>29888033
My predictions for common mons are
Tapus of healthy terrain
Some UBs, Nihilego stands out since it has poison stab and can destroy Bulu and Maybe lele. Fini is too bulky and water type, top kek can outspeed and hit it's physical side hard.
Garchomp and Salamence yet again
Memetastic minimise Power Of Alchemy Muk shenanigans
Silvally could be decent
Porygon -2 looks a solid wall
And of course, fucking Smeargle, at least without Dark Void

File: 1478693074551.jpg (84KB, 700x512px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 700x512px

>>29888888
noice

>>29888888
With meme magic, maybe someone will find a good setup for it.

>>29889011
I'm wondering how much kartana will scare off minimize spam, seeing as its best stab is smart strike, which always hits

>>29888655
Eviolite clefairy!

>>29889087
It could do, it's just that god awful Special defence that makes me think Katana might not be the most prevalent of threats. Also, what are the damage calcs like?

File: E3A46BE4-9CB5-45BD-86A7-BFFF9D5DFAF5-315-0000002C5440A3C9_tmp.png (370KB, 690x797px) Image search: [Google]

370KB, 690x797px

>>29888888
this is you right now

>>29888888
Nice doubles

>>29888884
Could try pairing up with a Telekinesis user? The effects of Terrain are only for pokemon on the ground. Unfortunately the only one available in the current meta is Alakazam.

>>29888888
You know Levitation doubles base speed in this gen right?

File: 1478672446880.png (28KB, 248x302px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 248x302px

>>29888888

>>29888928
what newly discovered effect?

>>29889356
Doubles BP of water-type moves.

>>29889317
sauce

>>29889317
really? source?

>>29889375
>>29889394
lol I lied
Vikavoltfgs on suicide watch

>>29888033
Anyone have the list of QR code pokemon so we can check what egg moves are legal pre-bank?

>>29888352
Glass cannons aren't as scary in doubles. Kartana is ridiculously frail on the special side, even shit like icy wind from weavile does like 30% of its health. Resisted Politoed surf can do like 90%.

>>29889181
Since muk is physical and is poison, it can't really touch Kartana and gets killed in 2 hits. But yeah, Kartana dies to basically any fairly strong special attack.

>>29889317
Stop lying. I know yoy want Vikavolt to be good, but unless you use it under TR or with Agility, it won't be of much use.

>>29888483
>Vgc
>entry hazards

Eh. Beasts don't really play well with the incoming terrain wars. Pheromosa and Kartana are fucked from Fake Out pressure alone. If they gain traction as team cores people will just have a Trick Room setter.

Aslowla kinda has me more interested in VGC than I was for last year so I might play more.

>>29888468

>>29889419
> proud of lying

You are scum.

>>29889454
I've never played VGC. I've always done Smogon rules, but their autistic clauses went too far in Gen VI, so I'm converting/

File: 1446680642287.png (151KB, 1000x639px) Image search: [Google]

151KB, 1000x639px

>>29889483

>>29888483
>toxic spikes
>toxic on passimian
>spirit shackle and toxic spikes
>that massive ground and psychic weakness
shitniggerwhatareyoudoing.png

>>29889508
Cool.

>>29888657
Liquid voice kinda sucks anyways. Might as well use Golispod or Araquanid for water. If you use Primarina, you could have Araquanid be its partner and use entrainment on it to give it wicked base 378 special attack with water moves.

>>29888483
There's so much wrong shit here I don't even know where to begin

>>29889433
Well shit, that would fuck up that Muk strat. Any idea how good Smart Strike is against Tapus, and Leaf Blade against Fini? Even with that non existent special bulk it could beat a lot of what I expect to be common threats in the metagame

File: 39c.jpg (37KB, 640x659px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 640x659px

>>29889640
>Water Bubble Oceanic Operreta

>>29888888
Ebin

>>29888888
It will happen.

One thing that's been supposedly keeping people away from VGC is the power creep, so their answer to Mega Evolutions and Primals/Legends is UBs with extreme stats? Way to go, GF.

>>29889676
smart strike will only outright kill bulu and lele, and fini will probably beat you with a special move before your second hit

koko will win if specially oriented, but if koko is physical you might stand a chance

>>29889697
I came.

File: 1479073031145.png (168KB, 654x576px) Image search: [Google]

168KB, 654x576px

>>29888483
VGC is a doubles format where you only use 4 out of six of your pokemon, so why bother with trapping moves or entry hazards? There'll be little to no switching anyway.

>>29889785
But their stats are very min-maxed, which gives them a certain frailty. The only UB that doesn't seem to be that way is Celesteela, but it doesn't really hit that hard. All the others can pretty much get OHKO'd unless they have a sash.

>>29889785
>UBs with extreme stats?
Why must you people spout such ignorant crap? Do you faggots just look at how they have one very good stat and cry broken and never notice how literally all their other stats are below or extremely below average?

Literally none of the UBs will be broken. Even Pheromosa who is the only seemingly broken UB will be shit in doubles because glass cannons have never been good in doubles.

The Tapus are 100 times better and will be more cancerous than the UBs. UBs aren't something you can throw in everything team unlike the Tapus.

If you thought the genies were bad then you'll be shitting yourself out of anger at the Tapus when you realize how truly good they are.

>>29888483
>Garchomp used earthquake!

>>29888468
fag

File: tapu_fini.png (138KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

138KB, 500x500px

Where my Tapu Fini bros at?

>>29888468
>http://pastebin.com/4ddvU5Ai
fag

>>29888468
>Zimbabwe

>>29890003
>tfw it just got a huge buff with the aqua spider revelation
>tfw it was already secretly best tapu

>>29890040
She's very underrated. Everyone's flocking to Koko and Koko + A-Raichu meme teams because shiny new toy syndrome while ignoring how there's much better toys to play with if they bothered to look a little deeper in the toy box.

>>29890085
First meme: Tapu Koko+Raichu A
Second meme Tapu Koko+Politoed
Third meme: Tapu Lele+Pheromosa
Fourth meme: Tapu Bulu+Kartana
What actually wins VGC: Tapu Fini+Araquanid

>>29889825
Leaf Blade on Fini would get the Ko, right? Koko will probably be special since its physical move pool is trash, so Nihilego could deal with it and Bulu too, but those 2 UBs don't enjoy going against Garchomp, who will be common. Team building around these cunts is hard

>>29889899
This. I fear the Tapus. A positive for the UB's is that their animations and designs are so good that I won't get sick of seeing them like the genies.

>>29890137
>>29890137
Accurate.

Replace Araquanid with something else though, even with the newly discovered stuff it does nothing to solve it's core issues like shitty BST distribution.

>>29890137
Amend second meme to Tapu Koko + Pelipper.

File: 1463532190843.jpg (98KB, 501x672px) Image search: [Google]

98KB, 501x672px

>>29888859
>rain boosted entrained water bubble golisopod aqua jet

>>29888468

>>29890234
Yeah, leaf blade would OHKO koko, but koko outspeeds kartana so you'd have to sash/scarf it or something

Celesteela is the only one that might see play in VGC.

>>29890329
That's like meme 2.5 since we knew Politoed was VGC legal before we knew Pelliper had drizzle.

>>29890412
Kartana will see use as a Z move user but will be very niche among good players. Pheromosa will be used with Lele by memekids but very few people using it will make top cut.

>>29890605
>Kartana will see use as a Z move user
What's the origami sword got for a good z-move?

>>29890678
Nothing in particular, it just has huge attack which benefits high BP moves, but gets no high BP moves without Z moves. With grassy terrain down its Bloom Doom will OHKO even many things that resist it.

>>29888928
>no protect/wide guard
>expecting to do shit with that attack outside of boosted water moves
maybe wide guard/scald/liquidation/filler

File: Screenshot 2016-11-13 at 1.31.00 PM.png (340KB, 704x395px) Image search: [Google]

340KB, 704x395px

>>29888888
You're not the only one.

File: immunity cat.jpg (128KB, 345x1280px) Image search: [Google]

128KB, 345x1280px

>>29888468

>Not a single mention of how Z-Crystal + Draco Meteor Mence will be everywhere

>>29890573
Wouldn't Politoed be better since it could actually benefit from Terrain? Being immune to sleep is pretty good.

>>29888468
Fuck off.

File: 1476124791760.jpg (48KB, 398x496px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 398x496px

>>29888888
SEXTS CONFIRM

>>29891163
Sleep is dead this year because no DV Smeargle.

And Pelipper kills every Spore user with Hurricane.

It depends on your team needs though. Both Pelipper and Politoed are very viable setters.

>>29889317
Source: Your ass.

>>29891212
That is a good point. I wonder if Roost makes it susceptible to terrain anyways, could try to bait them. Anyways I like the idea of Entraining Water Bubble onto Tapu Fini since its Ability is only good on switch.

>>29891149
>an entire 55 extra power

>>29891212
Don't forget to mention Electric terrain's secondary effect.

>>29891283
>and not taking a -2

The only thing stopping it from being more obnoxious than dragon gem was in gen 5 is a meta full of fairies.

>>29891018
I think the VGC set will be that and the filler will either be Entrainment or Power Split.

>>29891307
If you are using Shock Wave Pelipper you have bigger problems than worrying about sleep users.

>>29891329
Also Misty Terrain will be a thing. Halves Dragon damage.

Was Hail buffed this gen? It would be nice to have a Def boost to Ice-Types like Sandstorm gives Sp.Def to Rock-Types. I doubt it, though.

>>29891283
It's a stronger draco meteor that gives you no drops and then you can drop another draco meteor afterwards. It's even better than Draco Gem Latios from 12/13.

>>29891374
Another reason why Fini will be amazing. She's the greatest Dragon cockblock ever.

>>29891397
Nope.

You have Aurora Veil and A-Ninetales now though.

>>29891397
Weird, I didn't know Sandstorm granted that.

Not to my knowledge, but there's a new ability called Slush Rush that boosts Speed in hail.

>>29891362
No silly, POKEMON CANNOT FALL ASLEEP IN ELECTRIC TERRAIN!

IDK why people never seem to remember this little perk.

>>29891149
every top player will carry a second Tapu to set up Misty Terrain and Tapu's are immune to it in general.

>>29891397
Alolan Sandslash and Beartic got a new ability called slush rush that's like a hail version of swift swim.

>>29891149
>>29891329
>>29891374
Since we're talking about it what do you think will be the most prominent Z-Nukes in this meta?

>>29891212
>Pelipper kills every Spore user with Hurricane.

i dont buy it, anyone have some calcs?

>>29891446
I already addressed why Pelipper doesn't care about that here >>29891212

>>29891397
It was buffed, it's still the worst weather but it actually has a purpose now since hail has to be down to set Aurora Veil. There's a new hail swift swim clone and Ninetails A is actually good.

>>29891464
Alola Akbar

>>29888468
Nigger

>>29891149
That's ok. The real Z-meme is STAB Z-explosion.

>>29888483
Corrosion isn't good enough to warrant those toxics on salazzle and passimian.

What do you guys think about Nature Power? Turns into Moonblast, Thunderbolt, Energy Ball, and I'm assuming Psychic with Terrain up. Could any Pokemon that learns Nature Power benefit from having any of those moves?

>>29891212
No Dark Void Smeargle ever. Apparently Dark Void is now hard coded so only Darkrai is able to use it

>>29888575
Shit

>>29891422
Too bad. I hope A-Ninetales to be good in this meta.

>>29891439
Yeah, it boost Sp.Def. Maybe Gigalith will be good now that it gets Sandstream.

>>29891453
>>29891488
That's nice, but I don't see people putting 2 Ice-Types on their teams (A-Ninetales + another mon). I hope I'm wrong, though.

>>29891464
Salamence and Metagross will be the two biggest Z-move users IMO. Metagross only because he can't carry his mega stone and needs something to protect him from taking full damage knock offs. On the whole I feel Z-moves will be less of a major impact on the meta than megas were.

Z-destiny bond will be used as well so Gengar still has a use despite losing levitate.

>>29891594
That's what was I referring to too.

>>29891549
I'm honestly thinking of using Golem-A in VGC

Golem-A @ Normalium-Z
Ability: Galvanize
252 Atk/ 252 SpD/ 4 Def
-Explosion
-Return/Protect
-Rock Slide
-Protect/Earthquake

The only problems are ensuring explosion isn't protected, and ensuring it doesn't get obliterated by the first water type to come along.

>>29891678
Does Normalium-Z trigger with Galvanize?

>>29891627
Gigalith is easily UU now in smogon meta and will be used as anti-weather on chomp teams since he actually has a good matchup against all of the other auto weather setters in VGC, even the water types with max sdef/AV. Drampa will also be used for anti-rain.

>>29891678
I thought Galvanize didn't work on Z-moves?

>>29891678
Galvanize doesn't work with normal type Z moves IIRC, I think someone tested it with Sylveon pixilate

>>29891723
>>29891712
>>29891702
well shit
I guess I'll just run a more defensive item instead
Probably air balloon or the water berry

>>29891572
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think VGC 17 will lack the massive Steel type threads to really warrant Corrosion. Don't get me wrong, Salazzle will be necessary for the Tapu's (Fini though...) but Corrosion won't have such a huge effect this time, since Metagross is not as viable as people perhaps think.

All of you are ignoring the most problematic move this gen: Spotlight. Since there are no good, consistent users of spread moves other than Dazzling Gleam, Spotlight is extremely strong since it has higher priority than Follow Me, and importantly is ALSO learnable by a Follow Me user, Clefairy. This will lead to Tapu Lele+other terrains switching mindgames, bringing the format back to a full circle by introducing early and often 50-50s like in 2016.

>>29891702
>>29891712
>>29891723
They tested it and it does.

>>29891819
What does Spotlight do?

>>29891819
What does spotlight do?

>>29891637
Salazzle will keep Metagross in check. Salamence by the Tapus and especially Tapu Fini

Araquanid is going to be great in VGC

>>29891678
I'll have a bulky Ghost type just for Alolan Golem and a very bulky Protect user to survive that.

>>29891932
Ghost doesn't resist electric...

>>29888888
oh great, Galvantula is better.

>>29891969
Alolan Marowak does

>>29891932
You might want to change that to Ground types or Lighningrod mons

>>29891969
ah I forgot that it turns Explosion into an Electric type attack. Guess I need the sandcastle Pokemon if it has any decent bulk...

>>29891678
Consider Body Slam if it's legal for that stab

>>29891998
Alrighty. Marowak it is then.

>>29888033
So do you guys think every fucking team is gonna run 3 topu-kekus?

>>29892056
>rock slide

>>29892080
One at most.

>>29891856
>>29891862
It's follow me you cast on someone else. Shiinotic, Clefable, Clefairy and Starmie are its main users.

Also >no good, consistent split move users

what is garchomp
what is buffed gigalith

>>29888033
Tail Glow UB-YA BOY is going to be the meta. Thank you aliens of healthy meta

>>29892139
Oh fuck, that's pretty good.

>>29892139
So you can force them to attack their ally?

>>29891856
>>29891862
Normal +3 Priority, redirects all attacks to target, TARGETABLE ON ENEMIES

>>29892080
definitely two to switch tactics in case of certain Pokemon on the other team. I think Tapu Fini as a dragon check and Tapu Lele to avoid priority moves especially. Tapu Koko with Golem/Raichu, as well. Bulu will probably be the one used the least of all, but useful in nerfing Garchomps Earthquake.

>>29892190
>TARGETABLE ON ENEMIES
Now this is stupid.

But can it be targeted on enemies in Doubles? This is a Battle Royale move after all.

>>29892139
Gigalith is still shit, and Garchomp does shit damage with RS and has no good Flying/Levitating partners.

>>29892139
>>29892190

Don't quote me on this, but I've heard it fails on pokemon using protect and can't force a pokemon to target its ally. Seems to be used for the new battle royale mode

>>29892203
Bulu time to shine will be 18 when Heatran is allowed again.

>>29892230
Yes. It has narrow distribution but definitely expect Starmie, Clefable and Shiinotic to be viable in VGC with it.

>>29892275
Clefable and Shiinotic were gonna be viable anyway. Starmie is the one who's getting saved because it had never seen use in doubles ever.

I'll definitely have Palossand and Oranguru on my TR team. Don't know yet which Tapu's though. Definitely 1, perhaps 2 depending on my attacking strategy.

>>29892235
This is correct. Only protect moves it can force someone into is King's Shield and Spiky Shield. Can also be used when Toucannon is charging Beak Blast hypothetically to burn both.

>>29892361
Too bad Toucannon is frail, you'd end up sacing it just to burn something.

I want to try out this lead.

A-Ninetales @ Light Clay/ Focus Sash/ Icy Rock
Snow Warning
Timid
252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed/ 4 Sp. D
Aurora Veil
Protect
Blizzard Moonblast

Froslass @ Z-Crystal (Ghost)
Snow Cloak
Timid
252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed/4 Def
Blizzard
Shadow Ball
Protect
Destiny Bond (Z-linked)

Basically double protect if fake out is a threat, then have Froslass direct all attacks and maybe suicide kill with Z-Destiny Bond while Nintales sets up Aurora Veil. Then you can stick a solid anti-steel type in the back or Tapu Lele if Bullet Punch Scizor/Metagross/Lucario is scary.

>>29892361
Can it into Toxapex's poison protect as well?

>>29892361
This has potential but I don't think this will be replacing normal redirection, it's similar but that's it. They have different purposes.

It would be a different thing if you could self-target though then it would completely outclass Follow Me.

Oh yeah, you can use this with Tortunator thingy too. Or into a Spiky Shield.

>>29888033
Can we talk about how the fuckers thought it was a good idea to announce a International tournament using the new ruleset which runs less than 2 weeks after SuMo's release? It's expensive to go to London in addition to VGC starting up higher entry fees and most people won't even have the time to finish the game because it isn't even Christmas holidays yet.

Asking as someone concerned about this realistically how fast can a person be expected to finish the game and get up to speed team done without access to Pokebank in SuMo? Because this feels like kind of a shitshow in the making.

Also wish someone would give a final word on the UB's, I keep hearing they're not part of the Alola dex but if they are then they're pretty relevant.

>>29891813
I wouldn't count Metagross out so soon the thing has always found a way to come back into the spotlight through sheer brute force.

>>29891819
How does Spotlight respond to Follow Me though if they're both used on the same turn? Which overrides the other?

>>29892509
They are legal.

>>29892342
Ideally as slow as you are the anti-priority properties of Psychic Terrain probably suit your needs more.

>>29892551
It also helps you set up trick room.

>>29888468
:^)

>>29892509
>Can we talk about how the fuckers thought it was a good idea to announce a International tournament using the new ruleset which runs less than 2 weeks after SuMo's release? It's expensive to go to London in addition to VGC starting up higher entry fees and most people won't even have the time to finish the game because it isn't even Christmas holidays yet.
TCPi is super retarded, nothing new.

And this season of VGC will be exceedingly pay2win, more than ever before, everyone's been complaining about it, even top players have been complaining about it.

http://nuggetbridge.com/blogs/entry/2119-on-entry-fees-and-esports

https://themeta.killscreen.com/pokemon-twitter-outraged-rising-tournament-entry-fees/

>Asking as someone concerned about this realistically how fast can a person be expected to finish the game and get up to speed team done without access to Pokebank in SuMo? Because this feels like kind of a shitshow in the making.
Just inject it :^)

>Also wish someone would give a final word on the UB's, I keep hearing they're not part of the Alola dex but if they are then they're pretty relevant.
This is the final word. The rules have literally been datamined from Battle Spot.

>>29892425
Not even sure why you'd bother doing that to be honest, seems like a lot of trouble to go to just to sit around. Blizzard from a pair of base 80 s.atk mons isn't exactly scary and Froslass can do a hell lot more than just throw off a weak Shadow Ball and die.

You're going to have to settle on a win condition who actually takes advantage of Hail in some way otherwise it's a gimmick.

>>29892578
>Lele doesn't learn Trick Room
What a shame. Koko and Bulu lacking Play Rough hurts them too.

Only Fini gets all she needs. Water wins again baby.

>>29892551
>>29892578
I was actually thinking that! Thanks for confirming my thoughts. What seems to be a reliable TR setter this time though? Didn't quite check the line-up thoroughly enough. Too bad Aromatisse is not available this time around.

>>29892762
Porygon-2 seems to be the best thing around this time.

>>29892694
Well, Lele will defend a slow TR setter from priorities

>>29892799
>>29892762

Yep. Porygon 2 with Download and a Sassy Nature
Trick Room
Recover
Ice Beam
Foul Play

EVs
252HP 160Def 20SpA 76SpD.
The old smogon set basically.

>>29888468
I hate myself for replying to these, but love my mum too much to not :(

>>29888468
Fuck you

>>29892661
>This is the final word. The rules have literally been datamined from Battle Spot.
This is the kind of confirmation that settles everything, thanks.

I'm actually not too bothered about entry fees to be honest, you need money to organize good venues. What does get me however is the prize payoffs aren't good enough to justify them, they're miniscule really.

>>29892762
>>29892879
A quick glance actually tells me Bruxish would also work as a setter. Dazzling has the same anti-priority property as Psychic Terrain and it has the gimmick of being able to break defensive screens with it's main STAB supporting a sweep.

>>29892971
>Foul Play
>Not BoltBeam
Shit nigga what are you doing

>>29893035
>What does get me however is the prize payoffs aren't good enough to justify them, they're miniscule really.
The biggest killer is UNLESS YOU HAVE A GORILLION PARTICIPANTS THE PRICES WILL BE SHIT ALSO THE CP PAYOUT WILL BE SHIT TOO.

It's gonna completely murder juniors and seniors. I feel bad for the kiddies.

>>29892971
Apparently conversion is one of the best Z-Moves, raising all stats by one stage, so that'd be something to consider when dealing with a porygon2 set

>>29893085
>Not Z
Porygon 2 wants it's Eviolite.

>>29893099
Z-conversion is eviolite + a SpA boost for the cost of a turn. I'm just saying it's something to consider

Aurora veil is stockeable with reflect/light screen?

I know that aurora veil can work for 7 turn with light clay but i need to know if you can literally reduce the damage to a miserable 25%

>>29893217
Yes.

>>29892694
>What a shame. Koko and Bulu lacking Play Rough hurts them too.
You know what also hurts?

Hardly any dark type gets Knock Off in this format. I think A-Muk is about the only one who gets it with a attack worth shit. Most Psychics and Ghosts are going to have a fun time without having to look over their back constantly in fear of a OHKO.

Holy shit now I mention this, Evolite Clefairy may even be a fucking pain, most people should remember what a little shit it can be from I think it was 2015?

>>29893078
>I feel bad for the kiddies.
I don't. Most Juniors/Seniors now are only in VGC because of their overbearing mothers. Hopefully that will discourage those idiots from forcing their kids to play a game they don't want to just so they can sell the prizes for a profit.

>>29893209
And then if you are forced or need to switch out you are now without boosts and with a wasted moveslot.

Porygon Z appreciates it more because now it can attempt a sweep.

>>29893283
Oh, I remember you. That's true. Still, there must be a few whose family are not exploiting them who will get fucked over by this.

>>29893330
Oh, I'm not who you think I am. I was in the other thread, too. Shit like this doesn't only happen in america.

>>29893217
Yes.

Bulky Ice types are finally an actual thing. what a age we live in.

On the other hand you are pretty much forced to use A-Sandslash, it's like the only thing capable of damage that even uses Hail. Otherwise all Hail is good for is stalling for time until you get nuked and anti-sun/rain at best.

>>29893035
Amazing. Bruxish' ability and being a physical attacker would compliment that team of Oranguru/Palossand/Lele quite a bit. I could switch then whoever I need, and prepare a non-TR combination with Lele alone leaving out Palossand in case I'd be against a team with a lot of Grass/Dark/Water types.

>>29888033
their is no limit on ultra beast?

>>29888468
eat a dick.

>>29889485
entry hazards in doubles is dumb period.

>>29888468

W-Will Hail be good this year?

>>29894676
You won't see dedicated hail teams.
But A-Ninetails is good enough on his own that you'll see hail.

>>29888468
fug

How do we know this is true? It's just a pastebin, and starters and many others aren't allowed from what it looks like.
I haven't played VGC in ~2 years but S&M might get me back into it

>>29894840
Look very careful at the name of who uploaded the pastebin.

File: image.gif (1MB, 1100x1080px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1100x1080px

>>29888352
>smogon fag thinks sweepers are good in doubles
Why am i not surprised

>>29888468
>>29892996
awww you're a sweetie anon

me too

>>29888468
oh man i love this meme!

>>29888468
FUCK

>http://pastebin.com/fLW3jBSz
Wait...
No memories? What?

>>29894859
I see, so why is the list so restrictive? Seems weird to cut out half of Gen 5.

>>29895056
It's just the alola dex.

>>29895087
Ahh that makes sense, thanks.

Without going too deep intio details I was thinking about a
Tapu Lele + Oranguru TR set up lead.
Remainder of team will be made up of:
Wishiwashi (with U-turn)
Palossand (with Giga Drain)
Bruxish (second TR setter, benefiting from Lele)

The last spot is yet undecided, because I may need something completely different to be able to switch Strategies at least a little bit. For obvious and glaring weaknesses I have coverage on Palossand (Giga Drain), Bruxish (Ice Fang). Not too great, but looks like I'll have a lot of fun. Just need that one more mon to tie it all together.

>>29888888
witnessed

>>29888468
Faggot.

>>29895137
Bruxish learns TR? That's surprising. How are the stats and movepool of the fish besides that?

>>29895137
>TR Vikavolt

>>29888468
save my mam

>>29888033
Anyone got the stats of the Ultra Beasts?

>>29896350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-bI-OcVZA0

File: ultra beast stats.png (51KB, 1290x299px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 1290x299px

>>29896350

>>29896946
actually this vid is better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sVFNKVPJ4c

>>29897015
???

Necrozma isn't a UB and that isn't its ability.

File: 1479058422607.png (161KB, 300x339px) Image search: [Google]

161KB, 300x339px

>>29888888
>Anonymous 11/13/16(Sun)15:12:43 No.29888468▶>>29888591 >>29888911 >>29889457 >>29889997 >>29890020 >>29890038 >>29890385 >>29891132 >>29891167 >>29891529 >>29892606 >>29892996 >>29893020 >>29893640 >>29893892 >>29894797 >>29894940 >>29894962 >>29894977 >>29895926 >>29896058
>File: Spoiler Image (93 KB, 497x259)
>>>29888394
>>OFFICIAL and REAL competitive
>>pokemon

>>29897093
wtf ok I only meant to respond to the digits fuck

>>29889317
>Flygon turbocucking Garchomp
I doubt it.

>>29896946
>>29897015
>>29897066
Holy shit kill yourselves retards. It's no wonder people are so misinformed when all you do is shill your shitty youtube videos here.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Yx61tXCHTp9PqvluxdN1Xi2zcUxATI1f3uS7UHtpeQ0/htmlview?sle=true#

>>29889895

>>29888468
fuck you poke

>Xurkitree
>173 SP.Atk
>Telepathy Oranguru with Trick room
>Discharge + Instruct
Fucking RIP opponent unless he has Ground type Pokemon in hes team.

>>29897630
With this, Tapu Koko, and A-Raichu running around I think people will form teams with at least two anti-electric Pokemon. Electric has glod support this time around.

is there a way to make Decidueye work besides being a shitty Azumarill?

>>29898003
Azumarill? They are nothing alike lmfao and I don't see Decidueye having any use in VGC 2017, I can see it being decent in Singles thought with the trapping attack.

>>29888468
you got me

>>29888468
Bazooka

>>29897630
if you trick room xurkitree will that really change anything?
if anything, you'll probably just make the opponent go first

>>29888888
Noice GET

>>29888468
fuck off

I'm gonna be new to VGC in gen 7, I've only played singles/smogon before now

Any hope for a A-Raichu and Tapu Koko being a good combo?

Also, does A-Raichu get surf? Seems like a wasted opportunity if it doesn't

>>29898684
>Any hope for a A-Raichu and Tapu Koko being a good combo?
Read the thread. There's an answer for that.

>Also, does A-Raichu get surf? Seems like a wasted opportunity if it doesn't
It doesn't.

File: Stop it, anon!.gif (2MB, 305x229px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 305x229px

Tell me there's hope for my bro, VGCpals

File: 1474429179183.png (83KB, 268x330px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 268x330px

>A Chansey without any investiment in Special Attack can OHKO a Kartana under the rain with Flamethrower
>Spearow's Peck can OHKO a Pheromosa with investiment in Defense

>>29890137
Maybe I'm retarded, but how does a bulky water/fairy and a beefy slow bug/water being immune to status win VGC?

>>29898793
Plenty.

>>29898817
Auto safeswag maybe?

File: file.png (13KB, 256x256px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 256x256px

whats it VGC set? Whats moondogs VGC set?

>>29898793
There is a lot, fake out + intimidate and slow speed and good bulk goes very well with trick room.

File: 1472673050791.jpg (57KB, 438x445px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 438x445px

>>29898808

File: charmander laughing.gif (223KB, 450x338px) Image search: [Google]

223KB, 450x338px

>>29898928
>imblyin Intimidate will be released this gen

>>29888468
shit

>>29896008
to be useful in the team I posted it needs

Bruxish @ Life Orb / Focus Sash
Ability: Dazzling
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Att/ 252 Spe /
Jolly
-Trick Room
-Psychic Fangs
-Ice Fangs
-Aqua Jet

Dazzling blocks priority moves, as well.

>>29898949
Wait, I thought you could get QR Code starters?

>>29898893
For Salazzle
>Timid 252Speed 252Sp.Atk
>Focus Sash
>Fake out + Encore combo and Fire + Poison move
It's doesn't seem too bad now, really frail but it can have some use depending on the meta.

Moondog (Lycanroc?) would be similar set with max speed and atk with sash and moves depending on the meta.

>>29897630
It's too fast for TR - would probably always be last.

>>29899012
What is Psychic Fangs BP?

>>29888468
:(

>>29899068
Depends on the meta really and if there are slower Pokemons on play then you will out speed before trick room or you can even reverse trick room.

Tailwind Pelipper could be pretty dank partner too.

>>29899068
It's on the perfect middle for both TR and Tailwind. Those mon always thrive when start to remember that speed control is a thing.

>>29888888
were

"I just wish Vikavolt were better."

>>29888468
Fuck you

>>29888468
There

>>29899082
85 - destroys Light Screen and Reflect, but that wouldn't matter. Important is with Lele setting Psychic Terrain it gets a boost on Psychic attacks. Aqua Jet would be a post-Psychic Terrain option.

>>29888468
you

File: jpS10FG.png (956KB, 841x849px) Image search: [Google]

956KB, 841x849px

>>29899249
>Finally make a better Physical Psychic move than Zen Headbutt or Psycho Cut
>Have it have awful distribution
>Not even Solgaleo gets it
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

File: 1477486609625.png (506KB, 1017x676px) Image search: [Google]

506KB, 1017x676px

>>29898949
>He doesn't know.

>literally no one mentioning scarf Xurkitree

No wonder I don't come to this board for VGC advice.

>>29899277
It works pretty well on Bruxish.

>>29899289
WHAT DONT I KNOW

Xurkitree @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SpA / 220 Spe
IVs: 0 or 30 Atk / 30 Def
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Grass Knot / Dazzling Gleam
- Hidden Power Ice

Likes to be switched in with Baton Pass and certain boosts.

>>29888468
fuck you

>>29888468
Bastard

>>29899332
btw. I wonder what Z-Spread moves like Discharge do, do those hit both opponents? That would be pretty interesting on hard hitters like Xurkitree.

>>29899290
I suspect it's far worse than it looks, like Pheromosa.

>>29899685
If you want an electric type on your team that is not Tapu Koko/Raichu I'd rather go with Alolan Golem. Could work with Tapu Koko, as well. Don't really know what purpose he can serve effectively without getting killed pretty quickly

>>29888468
MOOOODS

File: 1424469367292.webm (2MB, 960x540px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 960x540px

>yfw all the cancer was nerfed except Rock Slide

>>29888468
fuck

>>29891996
No it doesn't. Alolan Marowak is Ghost/Fire.

>>29900927
>Lightning Rod

>>29899453
They don't. All offensive standard (not exclusive) Z-moves are 100% accuracy, single target, no secondary effect moves.

>>29900956
That's regular Marowak's ability, idiot

>>29899311
That there's seven asses LOL

Misty Terrain + Aurora Veil sounds like hell

Can't wait for Pyukumuku to be in every VGC team.

>>29901012
Dis nigga

File: (You).jpg (130KB, 1084x475px) Image search: [Google]

130KB, 1084x475px

>>29901012

>>29899061
corrosive or oblivious? Can corrosive work with moves that have a chance 2 poison? Or does it only work with toxic?

If you people pursuit a poison tactic with Corrosion you should also look at the new support attack Venom Drench learned by Trevenant for example lowering poisoned Pokemon's defenses. That looks like useful utility setting up a sweeper.

>>29902032
>new support attack Venom Drench
>new
Venom Drench has been around all last Gen, it was just so shit nobody bothered using it.

>>29898856
>>29898928
I don't see it. He's just a worse Arcanine.

>>29902065
haha, really? My bad. That's probably why I only noticed this move now.

>>29902073
Arcanine doesn't pack Fake Out. That alone settles it apart. It'll depend on your team needs.

>>29902073
Fake out tho

Why does vgc play by the doubles meme? Honest question

>>29904242
because it's better

>>29904255
>boring ass format
>Somehow better

>krabby used aqua jet!

>>29904548
>doubles
>boring
I'd be shocked if you've ever actually played a game of doubles

>>29904644
>(You)'re Wimp-Out activated!

>>29904644
>>29904688
Nice doubles while discussing doubles

>>29904242
So support moves aren't rendered completely useless

>>29888859
Politoed is also OHKOd by Thunder, but he's always been top tier.

>>29889087
Minimize spam is a dumb gimmick.

>>29891468
252 SpA Pelipper Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Breloom: 816-960 (312.6 - 367.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Pelipper Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Amoonguss: 630-744 (285 - 336.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Pelipper Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Venusaur: 234-276 (64.2 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Any new mons that learn Follow Me?

>>29905241
nope, even Shiinotic didn't get Rage Powder, pretty disappointing

>>29904242
It's the superior meta.

>>29904242
It's makes matches faster and easier to watch. Stall is almost non existant wich is a plus, no one wants to watch that shit.

>>29904671
I have and I didn't enjoy it.

>>29905937
Then you probably sucked, it's seriously the same shit as singles but with more strategy and options

>>29899290
>scarf xurkitree
>garchomp comes in
>rip

am I the only one considering a Japan-sand lite team with gigalith+alola dugtrio? You could easily put in a salamence, some bulky water and celesteela and work out a pretty solid team imo.

>>29906363
Sounds good. Any movesets+combinations in mind?

With the Tapus and a lot of Pokemon supporting each other pretty well, I feel we will see a lot of teams focussing on a certain type, so you could do that, too.

>>29888483
>running scald on a Pokemon that's supposed to poison enemies.

>>29906671
Gigalith looks like it would need an assault vest, but it also gets wide guard which is always nice to have. It could act as a semi-support/offensive mon with Bulldoze instead of EQ for that speed control. A-dugtrio will most likely be sashed since even with a steel typing it dies to a breeze, Stabs+rock slide looks like the best option. Salamence can't win the game on its own without a mega but it can switch safely on any of Gigalith's weaknesses, and intimidate is always nice. It could run specs for a special set or try some Z-move. Celesteela looks very interesting, I still don't know what to make of it considering it's a Skarmory that behaves like a grass-type. As for the tapus, I could run TApu koko to punish rain teams (but I don't think I will really need it considering Gigalith pretty much guarantees that Sand will overwrite everything else), or Scarf tapu lele which can be a monster (I loved Scarf Gardevoir to deal with terrakions and salamences in VGC15, and TApu Lele is exactly like Garde but better in every way) if I need to dispatch dragons or fighting-types quickly.
For the "obligatory bulky water slot" I could use Gastrodon or even go double Tapu with Fini. Toxapex could also work very well in order to stop Salazzle and Gengar from ripping through my team, but the idea of it being weak to EQ really bugs me. The sixth slot could be taken by something that prevents Trick Room (Incineroar could work pretty well, with both Fake out and eventually taunt) or some other slowmon that could abuse of the opponent's TR (a playstile that won Arash the VGC13 and that I always admired).
Chances are that all that I'm saying right now will result in gibberish once I actually start playing and I might end up playing something different though.

>>29899290
>Has huge s.atk
>Guiz scarf it!
Have you even taken a step back and looked at ti? 83 speed means you're at the mercy of every regular Scarver and Tailwind user around even if you run Timid.

Plus Timid guts most of its power to actually being weaker than a fucking neutral base 100 s.atk electric with LO. If you're not going to run Xurkitree with full s.atk there is no point in doing so.

>>29906889
I like this set a lot. Bit worrying if Bulu can set up the Earthquake nerf, but looks quite balanced.
I would not recommend using Incineroar though. Sure it gets Fake Out and Taunt, but Tapu Lele will be a huge thing and probably staple on TR teams this season due to the free set-up. Koko being the faster one could over-write Lele's Psychic Terrain though.

>>29888033
>Ultra Beasts ARE ALLOWED.
thank you jesus, ill be able to bring my mosquito man

>>29889190
I wish, I could go threaten gf into patching SM to make Vikavolt better