Gen 7 tier predictions

>>29865480
Silvally won't be in OU for long, Mudsdale won't be in UU, neither will Turtanator. Ribombee may make UU with Quiver shenanigans, same as Bewear with Fluffy. Toucannon is hard to say; he gets some neat tricks but that speed is abyssal. Dhelmise may end up BL and Decidueye won't be in PU.

Decidueye won't be PU. RU/NU at worst. Kommo-o will almost certainly not be OU either. UU most likely.

>>29865480
>Solgaleo
>worse mega metagross with recovery
>users
OU

>>29865480
Keep in mind some old mons got some significant buffs and aren't weather abilities banned below OU or something stupid like that? So Alolan Ninetales, Pelipper, and Torkoal will be OU by default right?

>>29865480
Shitmon
Shitmon everywhere

>>29865480
i think kommo-o will drop to uu after a while

>>29865480
>Uber
Solgaleo, Lunala, Pheromosa, Kartana, Marshadow
>OU
Toxapex, Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Tapu Bulu, Tapu Fini, Celesteela, Magearna
>BL
Primarina, Ribombee, Buzzwole, Xurkitree
>UU
Lycanroc-D, Shiinotic, Salazzle, Bewear, Tsareena, Oranguru, Palossand, Silvally, Kommo-o, Nihilego, Necrozma
>RU
Decidueye, Incineroar, Toucannon, Vikavolt, Mudsdale, Comfey, Golisopod, Minior, Komala, Mimikyu, Bruxish, Drampa, Dhelmise, Guzzlord
>NU
Gumshoos, Crabominable, Oricorio, Lycanroc-N, Wishiwashi, Passimian, Pyukumuku, Turtonator
>PU
Araquanid, Lurantis, Togedemaru

>>29865822
I'm not seeing it really. All Kommo-o really needs to shine is a few good moves from a Move Tutor in the remake/3rd version.

Even without it, he has enough usefulness to be a threat throughout OU.

>>29865907
Way more accurate list than OP's.

>>29865661

That's a good joke

>>29866161
>3rd version

good one anon

those are gone and never coming back

>>29866415
that's a pedantic point anyways since all he was asking for were move tutors which have been here since gen 3

>>29865480
Mudsdale is an inferior Donphan who can revenge kill Dragons, so it's RU.

Lurantis might be too strong for PU with Contrary Leafstorm.

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>>29865480
Uber: Box legends and UBs

OU: Primarina, Silvally, Minior, Mimikyu, All Tapus, Celesteela

UU: Incineroar, Vikavolt, Ribombee, Toxapex (won't be as used as Ferrothorn), Mudsdale (maybe OU with AV), Bewear, Palossand, Turtonator, Drampa, Dhelmise, Komo-o (Hydreigon.2)

RU: Decidueye, Toucannon, Golisopod (OU if people figure out his ability), Lycanroc Day, Salazzle (literally Helioptile), Tsareena, Oranguru, Passimian,

NU: Crabominable, Lycanroc Night, WishiWashi (shit tier speed, will never get a hit off), Shiinotic, Comfey, Eviolite Type;Null, Komala, Bruxish, ,

PU: Gumshoos, Oricorio, Araquanid (might be NU at best) Lurantis, Togedemaru,

NeverSeenAgain: Pyukumuku

>>29865907
Nothing in RU can take 2 hits from Banded Crabominable so it can't live in NU.

Drampa is Eelektross tier in terms of coverage with a better typing and has too many sets for RU

Other then that list looks good.

I can't see Primarina above Sylveon and Florges without calm mind, it's only good set looks like Specs, too predictable.

Oranguru is a worst Meloetta which is RU so it will be RU at most but more likely NU.

Dhelmises trapping is too much for RU just as Dugtrio was banned and so it's UU.

>>29865907
Mimikyu's ability allows it to always get off at least one swords dance. It's not going to be RU.
It can also use Psych Up to turn the tables on setup sweepers.

>>29866515
One of Toxapex's biggest selling points is how well it pairs up with Ferro. Most teams that have a Ferrothorn will also be running a Toxapex.

>>29865480

Alohan Forms

Ubers: N/A

OU: N/A

UU: Dustrio, Muk

RU: Ninetails, Golem, Exeguttor, Marowak

NU: Raichu, Persian

PU: Sandslash, Ratticate

>>29866715
What's so bad about Raichu?

>>29866736
Electric/Psychic means it has to run coverage cause 2 immunities, it doesn't get Surf like Normal Raichu. It's outclassed by Jolteon and the Rotoms.

>>29866786
>it doesn't get Surf like Normal Raichu.
it does though once bank is released. just evolve an old surf pikachu in alola.

>>29866909
Also Pursuit kills it's volt switch momentum and sucker kills it's speed which are not a problem for pure electrics.

I see it as equal to NU Manectric which unlike ARaichu, isn't walled by Ferrothorn.

>>29865480
kommo-o likely wont make it out of uu due to bad coverage options and a stab combo that cant touch fairies
buzzwole gaining +4 off a single fell stinger is ridiculous, quite possibly too much for ou, but then aegislash will probably overshadow everything in ou for far too long again
theres zero chance something with incineroars stab typing, intimidate and uturn will end up below uu
comfey will probably be uu/ou, triage is fantastic and it has pretty well distributed bulk for a fairy
minior is unlikely to end up any lower than cloyster, they fill the same general niche in similar ways
shinotic is a fairy type spore user with a healing move that lowers the opponents attack, im not sure why youve put it so low
dhelmise and decidueye will likely end up two tiers higher than what youve put here respectively, those trapping moves are crazy good despite their typing/stat spreads
pyukumuku will very likely be ou, i take it you havent heard the news about unaware
and theres others youve placed low that probably dont deserve to be there but who cares, like gumshoos and bruxish are probably better than pu but theyre still not good

Why do people think Sylvally will be good enough to make it to OU? It's stats don't look that great and ability isn't great either

>>29867026
Parting Shot and the ability to basically be any type. It has u-turn and decent mixed coverage too. It isn't super crazy but it's a nice pivot and something that can make good use of Parting Shot is always welcome.

>>29866979
Comfey's bulk is lower then Florges, and lower then RU's Aromatisse. Screw priority healing it doesn't even get wish.

Dhelmise and Decidueye deserve to be higher. Their trapping is too strong for RU.

>>29867026
Because Muh Son of Arceus literally Jesus is the newest Edgemon(absol, lucario, zoroark). It's stats are lower then RU legends and is forced to run an item to change type, UU at most.

>>29867074
Does Null get Parting Shot & U-Turn? Because I feel those would be better on Null due to its added bulk.

>>29865480
Kommo-o has worse speed than Hydreigon and no reliable fighting attack: UU at best
>>29866490
Lurantis IS too strong for PU with Contrary Leafstorm. Serperior rose three tiers because of Contrystorm alone.
>>29866515
Primarina has neither high speed nor good bulk, UU at best. Minior is a one trick pony and similiar to Hawlucha, BL. Incineroar and Vikavolt are painfully slow.
Crabominable has one of the best dual STABs.
The rest looks ok.

>>29866715
Sandslash has Slush Rush. Bump that shit up to RU where it can hang with Obama and Ninetales.

>>29867026
Only good physical Fairy attacker.

>>29866600
>>29866614
Thanks guys. I'll update it for later.

>>29867122
65x2 means it still dies any Fire or Fighting or Fire/Fighting with a scarf. And if it runs a scarf it can't take advantage of it's coverage not to mention switching out with scarf means more Stealth Rocks damage. It's made for MonoIce teams and that's it. It doesn't belong in the same tier as scarf Himonlee and Scarf Medicham.

>>29867169
Huge Power Band or BDrum Azumarill is still a thing which outclasses Fairy Silv which is why Silv is UU or at most BL.

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>>29865480
Anybody want to predict VGC17 meta?

>>29867169
>what is azumarill

>>29867345
Tapus of healthy terrain.
Oranguru.

>>29867370
is trick room a terrain?

>>29867381
No, but anti-priority is.

>>29867345
salamence, garchomp, salamence, garchomp, salamence, burn out arcanine extremespeed cheese, garchomp

>>29867114

Having to rely on Sky Uppercut does suck ass for Kommo-O, But access to a 110 power 100% acc special dragon move is pretty pimp.

Kommo has a decent set of boosters, with respectable bulk so getting one off shouldn't be to hard. Getting Drain Punch, Close Combat, Mach Wave, Mach Punch or the like from a move tutor will really help Kommo shine.

The biggest problem with Kommo is the excellent special movepool but having his special attack lower then phys. Never stopped T-tar or Mence though, and it won't stop Kommo.

>>29867345
UBs, Tapus and their support Raichu(fake out Surge Surfer), Oranguru maybe a Mimikyu or 2.

>>29867460
I don't think megas will be allowed so Garchomp Garchomp Garchomp Garchomp Garchomp.

>>29867479
ultra beasts will not be allowed in the VGC 17

>>29867516
Says who?

I guess I didn't get the memo- why is Mudsdale so shit?

>>29867513
good point. megas aren't allowed.

garchomp with after me clefairy will probably be my normal open.

salamence does have intimidate though, and there are rare few pokemon that have intimidate in the alolan region (about 7, and 6 of them are old pokemon). So don't count salamence out.

>>29867549
Slow and no special defense.

>>29867530
they are not in the alolan pokedex my dude

>>29867516
They're allowed in the Battle Tree, unlike Necrozma (third legend) and Magearna and Marshadow (Mythicals).

Ban rules for battle facilities are always the same as VGC.

>>29867549
>>29867573
Yes, not to mention outclassed by Hippowdon and Donphan who serve the same role as physical ground wall.

>>29867583
But they do have dex entries and the Alolan cross.

>>29867549
No moves.

>>29867516
>>29867583
So this is just your theory there is no official source you can link to.

>>29867591
Welp, vgc17 ruined.

Why GF thinks it's fair to have an entire generation of base 40 speed pokemon and then throw in 5 or 6 pokemon that have 140 base attack and special attack on top of base 140 speed I will never understand.

gg no re

>>29867633
The only crazy fast one is Pheromosa. Kartana and Nihilego are decent too, but not absurd.

Z-Crystal Suicide Gengar + Agility Vikavolt for my leads in VGC.
Thoughts?

>>29867712
Vikavolt too slow also this new captcha is shit.

>>29867712
I don't know what a "z-crystal suicide gengar" does but agility vikavolt seems terrible. Even if you give vikavolt the first turn on all of his moves, it won't stop his coverage from being bad.

>>29867345
oranguru and trick room
intimidate spam
whatever is designed to be overpowered and isnt banned like the ubs or tapus

>>29865480
Imagine where Torkoal is going to go with Drought, though.
>send out Torkoal and setup Pokemon
>Torkoal used Shell Smash!
>Setup used U-Turn! Go, Typhlosion!
>Torkoal used Lava Plume!
>[Typhlosion's Flash Fire]
>Typhlosion used Eruption!

>>29867712
>>29867764
Z-Explosion Gengar is good if you have a mon with that ability where it takes 0 damage from allies and Z moves go through Sub at 50% but Gengar's attack is so low.

>>29867712
doesnt z-destiny bond not get priority
wont that be an issue

>>29867850
destiny bond doesn't get priority in the first place

>>29867791
>Typhlosion
>VGC

you know you only use 4 pokemon per battle, do you really want your 2nd fire type to be Typhlosion of all things?

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>>29865480
>minior in RU
>dhelmise in NU
These two are UU at least.

>>29867764
The idea is to make a frail as fuck Gengar (Minimum defensive investments) with maxed Speed and Z-Destiny Bond. It has a Follow Me effect, so the plan is to drop him and Vikavolt, let them kill the Gengar (Or, if they're running a mon that obviously needs setup, have the Gengar kill it) and from there, get one of the Tapus on field and go to town.

If Gengar can't get the D-Bond off, it has decent coverage and the option to go into a Z-Shadow Ball.

Biggest problems are Lyanroc with Accelrock, since it's a priority Rock move.

>>29867302
It's faster than base 101 Pokémon Holding a choice scarf they max out at 254 speed I think while Jolly Sandslash reaches 256 in hail so what are you on about?

>>29867556
>>29867460
>Forgetting that Mence will be the premier Z-Crystal Draco Meteor + Draco Meteor spammer

That's also gonna be everywhere. It's Draco Gem Latios all over again except better.

>>29866715
i think ninetales would be higher. 100% accurate blizzard, good support moves like encore, nasty plot and of course aurora veil and a not bad offensive typing all seem like it could be useful in even higher tiers

>>29865480
I agree with the uber list, minus the fact that celesteela isn't in it, but a lot of the rest I don't see so here's my list
OU
>Ribombee
>Kommo-o
>Lycanroc day (since bravest birb got fucked, bugs are going to be much more dominant)
>Toxapex
>Golisopod (will be near unkillable with assault vest)
>Wishiwashi
>Minior (its exposed form plus shell smash will be brutal, but can be countered still)
>Silvally
>Tapus
>Comfey
>Salazzle
>Buzzwole
>Nihilego
>Magearna
>Dhelmise
UU
>Decidueye (it can fill many roles, makes excellent use of choice scarf and has enough attack to chunk many UU threats)
>Primarina (its bulk is lackluster at best, but it has high enough sp atk to hit hard as fuck)
>Mimikyu
>Drampa
>Turtonator
>Mudsdale
>Togedumaru
>Tsareena
>Bruxish
>Oricorio (it has 98 or so speed plus access to quiver dance if I remember and counters other quiver dancers easily)
RU
>Inceniroar (got fucked big time by speed, not fast enough to use choice scarf, not slow enough to abuse trick room, plus better intimidate users)
>Komala
>Shinotic
>Pallosand
>Passimian
>Oranguru
>Vikavolt
>Crabominable
>Araquanid
NU
>Lycanroc night
>Toucannon
>Lurantis
>Pyukumuku
>Gumshoos
>Guzzlord
>Anything else I didn't mention
So it may sound like I'm giving these alot of credit, but most of these mons aren't too bad, they just suffer from a lack of speed or speed boosting options, but regardless it's just my opinion, so feel free to agree or disagree with me

>>29866415
We're not getting remakes this Gen either.

>>29868018
You seems like you didn't understand the core issue of your gimmick.

VIKABOLT IS SHIT

EVEN WITH ONE AGILITY EVERYONE AND THEIR MOM OUTSPEEDS IT AND WILL OHKO BECAUSE HE'S FRAIL AS SHIT

Use something like DD Mence or any other thing that's actually decent like even Sword Dance Garchomp if you wanna use a set-up sweeper alongside your Z-Crystal Destiny Bond.

>>29868051
Faster then 101 isn't good enough not to mention two quad weakness meaning it's sweep is stopped my hitmonlee's mach punch or even 2hko'd by intimidate hitmontop's mach punch. Or it outspeeds and Hitmontop or Emboar lives a hit and ohkos. Not to mention you'll have to set up hail and lose to Trick Room.

Alohan Sandslash was born to be walled, burned and cucked by Alomomola.

>>29868233
I just wanna use the bugbro
;_;

>>29868196
I can see Ninetails dominating in RU and being countered by the various Bullet Punch users in the tier but it's frail physical Def would make it hard to use in UU or higher. You set up with Nasty Plot while I switch in Metagross and you die in the next turn. While in RU the bullet punch users are usually fighting types and you can bait the nasty plot while moonblasting instead. So there will be sets for it in UU but it won't belong to that tier.

>>29867460
Burnout doesn't make Arcanine normal type dumbass.

>>29865907
>BL
>Primarina
That's pushing it.

>>29868211
You're on a healthy amount of crack if you think Guzzlord will be NU.

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>>29868160
I don't play Doubles but I plan to get into it in 2017.

This chart on bulbapedia means that Draco Meteor hits everything else on the field, including your own ally, right?

>>29868243
252 Atk Life Orb Sandslash Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Hitmonlee: 250-294 (103.7 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

How the hell does Hitmonlee get in for free? And there are ways go block priority now, so Mach punch might not even be a problem.

>>29867787
>oranguru and trick room
He is a good pokemon for sure, and with 90/80/110 defenses, it will be difficult to stop him from doing his job.
However, I am not sure if there are Trick Room threats which can OHKO the Ultra Beasts (something that is necessary in order for this strategy to win). If the Trick Room attackers aren't powerful enough to kill Nihilego before it can attack, then Nihilego will fire back a powerful Sludge Bomb which will be a neutral hit to most of the good TR sweepers I have noticed in this generation. I would have to do some research on the Alolan region to see if TR is a viable strategy.

>intimidate spam
These are the only legal intimidate pokemon in all of vgc17:

Gyarados
Arcanine
Stoutland
Krookodile
Salamence
Granbull
FireCat

Only 3 or 4 of those are actually good. You can plan for intimidate if you see it in team preview, because with only 4 viable options you should have a planned counter to those pokemon if your team relies heavily on physical attacks.

>whatever is designed to be overpowered and isnt banned like the ubs or tapus

ya prety much

>>29865480
I agree with this but I think it will take time for Kartana to reach Uber status

>>29869457
Could Celesteela take care of Nihilego?

>>29869538
Yes, it can't OHKO it but it will eventually kill it. Probably 2 turns. The problem is that there are other UBs that can take the hit and OHKO back. Xurkitree comes to mind for Celesteela. Xurk might barely survive and there is no question that a thunderbolt will OHKO back 100% of the time on celesteela.

After some quick research, I've compiled the following list which shows the face of Alolan Doubles TR:
Trick room pokemon:

Slowbro, Slowking, Snorlax, Gastrodon,
Crabominable Close Combat/Earthquake/Stone Edge/Ice Hammer,
A-Exeggutor, A-Golem (can't use electric field with TR though),
A-Muk, A-Marowak, helping hand kangaskhan?, sableye, parasect, gigalith, Hariyama Guts Toxic Orb, Bewear,
lycanroc midnight form, Mudsdale*, Shiinotic, trevenant, Pangoro, Palossand, Komala, Turtonator,
Drampa* amazing pokemon - cool design, Z-move Draco Meteor spammer - and he's got Cloud Nine!, Dhelmise* Gyro Ball spammer and Fairy murderer, Umbreon, Passimian
Vikavolt* slow as SHIT - naturally kills Tapu Bulu with Bug STAB Bug Buzz. Flash Cannon/Bug Buzz/Thunderbolt/Air Slash
Celesteela - mediocre 101/107 offenses but good bulk to compensate
Buzzwole*
Guzzlord* - has 101/97 offenses and a strange movepool. Best physical dragon STAB is a paltry dragon claw. Probably best to take him to the Special or mixed side
For draco meteor

>Notes:
>Tapu Lele -> psychic terrain removes priority moves. Problem: Lele doesn't particularly enjoy trick room herself, at base 95 speed
>psychic terrain can be useful in TR, although it probably doesn't justify the turn to set it up. TR is about high momentum and wasting 1 turn to cast psychic, or including a pokemon on your team that can't use TR very well, slows momentum too much. Maybe include 1 pokemon in your 6 that knows psychic terrain, only bring that one to battle if you see something that uses extremespeed or whatever

I think Sandslash has a chance to be OU. It's bulky, it's got a decent Attack stat, it has Rapid Spin and a boatload of resistances.

It's like Excadrill with better offensive typing. The weaknesses are bad, sure, but they're not a death sentence.

The fact that it can run both Slush Rush and a semi-bulky spinner set in one is great, too. It's got a lot going for it, despite the weaknesses.

>>29870577
the excadrill comparison is apt, but also highlights the issue. what does sandslash offer that excadrill doesn't?

>>29865907
This is the better list. But Nihilego will be OU and Dhelmise will be UU but see occasional usage in OU.

>>29870577
And none of its resistances are thanks to its Ice-type

wew

>>29870598
Better offensive presence, no Water weakness, pairs with Landorus-T better, etc.

Excadrill is great, but Ground / Steel is such an awkward attacking type. Icicle Crash and Iron Head seems better than Earthquake and Iron Head, especially when you already have Lando.

>>29870912
Dude stop shilling sandshit. In know way shape or form will a-sandslash be better than fucking Excadrill.

>>29870988
Why not?

>>29871034
cause hail is worse then sandstorm?

Seriously, Ice fox or Obama, do you really wan't one of those on your team?

>>29865480
OU: Toxapex, Tapus, some of the UBs
UU: Bewear, Bruxish, Kommo-o
RU: Decidueye, Ribombee, Mimikyu, Alolan Persian, Tsareena, Salazzle
NU: Silvally, Golisopod
PU: everything else

>>29871034
Listen buddy, I love Sandslash too, more than Excadrill even, but there's no way Sandslash is superior

>>29870912
>Better offensive presence
no it doesn't. sandslash gets shit on by most of the steels in OU. only really fares better vs skarm. plus it also has weaker stab than EQ and is waaaaay weaker stat-wise (base 100 vs 135)

no water weakness isn't much of a buff when it still loses to almost every water. if anything excadrill does better vs waters since it can actually kill them sometimes.

>>29871060
I think Silvally's too good for NU

Bewear, on the other hand,

>>29871101
Literally the only thing it can do is Parting Shot, but Alolan Persian (which is faster) gets it as an egg move and Fur Coat makes it bulkier, so there's really no point in using Silvally at all

>>29866715
can't Ninetales do instant dual screens? That's worth UU at least, and Ice and Fairy are two great special STABS

>>29867096
Null gets U-Turn but no Parting Shot

>>29871151
They're okay STABs separately but largely redundant together

>>29866715
Ninetales will be UU at least because of Aurora Veil support and STAB Hail Blizzards

>>29871170
But the only thing they both hit SE is dragon

>>29871197
but they're both resisted by fire and steel

>>29865480
>Ubers: Necrozma
>OU: Silvally, Celesteela
>UU: Lycanroc-Sun, Wishiwashi, Turtonator, Mudsdale
>RU: Tsareena, Comfey
>NU: Shiitake, Oranguru

These are all much shittier than you think. They'll never get use in these tiers at all, let alone end up in them.

The only one you drastically undershot was Dhelmise, who's basically Decidueye but significantly better in every single possible realm. It'll be at least RU on the back of being a Ghost Type spinner, and might even get to UU since its a trapper and hits really damn hard in general on top of that.

>>29865907

Am I the only one that thinks Wishiwashi will be able to compete in OU?

He has great offense and defense, low hp and speed. You can always train him for hp and whatever attack stat you prefer. Also Gamefreak made a bulky Pokemon thats not Rock or Ice. Thats got to be worth something.

Anyway he only reverts back under 25%. In which case Id probably run aqua ring/protect/2 moves. Maybe Im just bad at the game though.

>>29871061
I don't particularly like Sandslash, I'm not arguing for bias.

Fuck off with this > implying shit. Can't we have a fucking conversation about mons for once that doesn't have people throwing around accusations of ulterior motives?

> Hey guys, Alolan Sandslash might be decent in OU
> OMFG NO YOU FUCK IT WONT ITS SHIT AND NU FOREVER STOP SHOVING YOUR FAVORITE SHITMON DOWN OUR THROATS ITS OBVIOUSLY BAD BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE TOLD ME REEEEE

>>29871293
>>Am I the only one that thinks Wishiwashi will be able to compete in OU?
Yes
It's not really anything we haven't seen before. it's a bulky water whose only recovery is rest, which we've seen before with Rotom-W and Suicune who have strengths that this thing doesn't. It essentially has no ability. We've had slow, offensive water-types with azumarill, who again has plenty of things that wishiwashi doesn't. It has some nice stats but it doesn't really do anything new or interesting with them. We already have stuff like Gyarados, etc.

I don't think i saw aqua jet on it's set but I might've overlooked it, plus it's ability is just a somewhat improved defeatist

>>29871350
I hope it's good, but don't expect it to be

Is that a better way of phrasing my opinion?

>>29867573
>>29867598
The fuck are you two idiots talking about? It has more SpcDef than either.

Lycanroc Day could be BL or OU desu

>>29871429
I'm pretty sure Araquanid will go straight to AG senpai

>>29871401
Except Hippowdon can set sand, recover its hp and phaze while donphan has priority ice shard, knock off and rapid spin. Both can set rocks, Mudsale can't. Mudsale would be lucky to wind up in RU, but it won't because it would have to compete with the superior Rhyperior for a slot

>>29871429
>Literally the only decent moves it learns are Stone Edge and Crunch
>BL

fucking how

I could easily see Type: Null ending up in UU
Definitely not ending up under BL2 at least.

>>29871482
it's faster than base 110 mons, has good Attack, gets access to Swords Dance, and has a priority Rock move

>>29871533
Type Null is just Porygon2 with no Recover, there is absolutely no reason for it to be in the same tier as a pokemon that is vastly better than it

Type: Null will be quick banned from Little Cup.

>>29871170
maybe, but hitting the genies, Fighting, and Dark types hard is always useful. It will never sweep, but I could be useful enough to earn a spot on certain teams

>>29871260
Dhelmise has three STABs with a great attack stat. Straight to UU.
>>29871375
Yep, it's the new Archeops. It basically can only switch in once.

>>29865907
pretty accurate, though i'd move lurantis up just a teeny bit to NU, contrary leaf storm and defog is too good for PU

Xurkitree is going to be OU, i just hope it doesn't get banned to ubers because it's my favorite mon of this gen

>>29871738
buddy it has 173 base SpA, Tail Glow and Volt Switch. Unless everything in the game runs Earthquake it will be a murder machine

>>29871825
>running tailglow and volt switch on the same set

>>29871847
It can do either

>>29867091
It gets screens, Synthesis, and A Heal pulse you fucking swine. It's going to be the main VGC Trick Room setter

>>29871575
It's totally different. Type Null is pure physical, Porygon 2 is pure special. It also gets shit like swords dance, u-turn, pursuit, and roar.
Even if it's outclassed in UU, it'll likely be banned from RU.

>>29865661
>mega metagross with more HP, fire coverage, and recovery
>OU

>>29871604
It can't even be in LC. You obtain it at level 40 and it can't breed.

>>29871872
It also gets no recovery

>>29871872
Type: Null is actually pure special, it's only physical moves worth anything are return, double edge and multi attack. It's coverage moves are X-Scissor/U-turn, Iron Head, Shadow Claw and Rock Slide

meanwhile it gets Tri Attack and the Fire/Electric/Ice trifecta and Flash Cannon. Air Slash, Surf and Shadow Ball are also there but not as good. I don't see why it would be banned from RU when it can't even hit as hard as Cinccino.

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>>29871541
Access to SD doesn't mean shit if you can't set it up, and Lycanroc-D does not have the bulk, typing or ability to allow it to safely set-up a SD. Without it, it won't get the kills.

>>29865480
>>29866515
>>29868211


No.
In no particular order: Kommo-o doesn't offer anything for it to be OU. It has a lousy base speed and it doesn't have good STAB moves, and it's hard-checked by any Fairy. Unless it get CC, I don't see it past UU and it might even be first pseudo to drop lower than that.
Second, Silvally is just a less-beefy 600BST mythical that can't hold a held item. It won't be OU either.

>>29865907
Probably the most likely of the bunch.

>>29865907
ribombee doesn't do anything that makes it too good for UU

>>29871955
I'm not talking about Silvally.
The only special attacks Null gets are air slash, round, and tri-attack. Also it has fantastic bulk with eviolite, which Cinccino definitely doesn't have.

>>29865480
I'd say Incineroar would either be BL2 or UU.

>>29865480
>Bulky
>2 imunnitiea
>3 STABs
>Trapping move

Dhelmise will be at least UU.

>>29869386
You didn't even address the fact that this thing is 100% cucked by the top Wall of RU alomomola and that it can't KO bulky emboar or intimidate hitmontop who proceeds to OHKO it right back with flare blitz or CC. And priority will always be a problem especially since your autistic hedgehog doesn't have that ability.

Your gotta go fast faggotry blinds you to the fact that Nintendo made Sahnic shit on purpose to make fun of Sega's mascot. It was specifically designed to be PU.

>>29872217
Why are you ignoring the fact the Lycanroc has priority rock move in a future meta full of bug types

>>29865480
Decidueye might actually be useable in OU. Assault Vest + Spirit Shackles gives a lot of momentum to your team and allowed roothoot to switch out before your opponent. I wouldn't put him in OU, but it's too strong for PU. I'd put it in low OU at best, RU at worst.

>>29871869
It can live in UU but never in VGC. Get prankster taunted or taunted by a UB or anything with faster then 95 speed.

>>29866715
Correction:

Alohan Forms

Ubers: N/A

OU: N/A

UU: Muk

RU: Ninetails, Golem, Exeguttor, Marowak

NU: Raichu, Persian

PU: Dugtrio, Sandslash, Ratticate

I thought Dugtrio got arena trap, it does not.

>Ubers
Kartana, Necrozma, Pheromosa, Lunala, Solgaleo

>OU
Toxapex, Tapu Bulu, Tapu Lele, Celesteela, Magearna, Marshadow, Xurkitree, Tapu Koko, Tapu Fini

>UU
Primarina, Salazzle, Golisopod, Wishiwashi, Nihilego, Kommo-o, Silvally, Buzzwole

>RU
Incineroar, Decidueye, Vikavolt, Ribombee, Bewear, Tsareena, Comfey, Minior, Guzzlord, LycanrocD, Pallosand, Shiinotic, Drampa, Mudsdale, Dhelmise, Mimikyu

>NU
LycanrocN, Komala, Toucannon, Passimian, Oranguru, Bruxish, Turtonator

>PU
Gumshoos, Togedemaru, Lurantis, Oricorio, Pyukumuku, Crabominable, Araquanid

Thinking about it, I don't have hope for most of the new things.

>>29872890
Performance in OU is completely different in lower tiers though. Anyway you'd swap to Abomasnow to combat bulky waters, and wow an ice type is weak to a fighting type colour me senseless. Various offensive threats in UU+ must not have a x4 type weakness.

>>29865480
>PU: Lurantis

If it's lucky

GAMEFREAK WHHHHHYYYYY

Why do so many of you have Necrozma in Ubers? It doesn't even belong in OU.

>>29873505
Leaf Storm + Contrary

It is waaaaay too strong for PU.

>>29873065
Here is what the rest of /vp/ has to think of your autistic sandshilling.

>>29870988
Dude stop shilling sandshit. In know way shape or form will a-sandslash be better than fucking Excadrill.

>>29871070
>Better offensive presence
no it doesn't. sandslash gets shit on by most of the steels in OU. only really fares better vs skarm. plus it also has weaker stab than EQ and is waaaaay weaker stat-wise (base 100 vs 135) no water weakness isn't much of a buff when it still loses to almost every water. if anything excadrill does better vs waters since it can actually kill them sometimes.

>>29871061
Listen buddy, I love Sandslash too, more than Excadrill even, but there's no way Sandslash is superior

>>29870851
And none of its resistances are thanks to its Ice-type wew

This last statement proves that when it comes to how typings work, how tiers work, how BST works and how Pokémon actually works; you know nothing.

The 4x weak pokemon have high stats which make up for their shit typing which Sandshit does not. Quad weaknesses to the most common priority move mach punch and the most common coverage moves in Fighting and Fire and that it needs Hail to go faster then a turtle do not help it either.

Sandshit is a loser, everyone knows it's a loser, and everyone knows you're a loser and when you use this stinky frozen PU turd in RU you are going to lose, and lose, and lose.

>>29866909
it wont evolve into alolan raichu

>>29873529
with 45 speed. PU isn't that slow.

>>29865480
Even Trevenant didn't hit PU, why would Decidueye? UU easy

>>29873596
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-pu-stage-10-a-better-place-a-better-tree.3586575/

>>29873596
Nvm it does

>>29865480
If you think Minior will be RU, then you don't know anything about competitive. It's UU+

>>29873614
I feel like Minior is way overhyped. It'll be a fun gimmick but easy to outplay.

>>29874095
This is what I THOUGHT would be the case with Aegislash

>>29874146
Aegislash forces 50/50s and has huge offenses on both sides. 60/100/100 isn't particularly bulky and it needs to Shell Smash in order to do anything besides set up rocks. That said, maybe I'm wrong. It can afford to invest in bulk and doesn't need a speed boosting nature because it outspeeds Excadrill in sand once shields are down.

>>29866600
same can be said for Banded Kingler but it's shit even in PU

>>29868233
>even after one evasiones, everyone and there mother outspeeds it
This thing at max 252 + positive Speed nature like Timid after one agility outpeeds Weavile.

>>29874095
Minior isn't overhyped. Minior is barely hyped at all. It's status-immune over 50%, and has 100/100/120 offense with access to shell smash. It's probably the best sweeper of gen 7, and it will find a place in OU.

>>29868233
You are underestimating Vikavolt's bulk as well. 75/90/75 is definitely acceptable for a Bug and can make a good Volt Switch set with Assault Vest. If you opt for Life Orb, it can probably switch into a weakish hit or a Ground attack and then set up with Agility. Since Agility doesn't double the base speed but the true speed, it can outspeed most unboosted mons with a good nature.
It probably won't be OU, but it might be a force in lower tiers. Maybe UU?

>>29871060
>Dhelmise PU
>Bruxish and Persian above PU

nice bait

>>29874306
When I check other places, they think it'll be crazy. I just don't see it. What does it set up on in OU? Chansey? Serperior without boosts? Amoongus? Even then it's not like they're forced to attack you. And before it sets up, it can't do anything besides set up rocks because 60/60 offenses are pitiful. Even Cloyster can hit things with Icicle Spear or Rock Blast without having to set up.

>>29873582
If you evolve it in sun and moon it will be alolan

>>29874503
Nope. Only pikachus from Alola will turn into Alolan raichu.

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>In Gen 6 and 7 you can't use pokemon from earlier gens in ranked.
Am I the only one upset by this?
Why would Gayfreaks do this?

>>29875113
VGC14 was the best VGC

>>29873010
>necrozma ubers
>marshadow ou

stopped reading there

>>29875207
Honestly, I kinda forgot Necrosma existed or what it did. That might be OU or UU.

>>29867746
>also this new captcha is shit
>still using captcha
Faggot.

>>29871541
It also has awful defenses. One stray bullet punch or mach punch is going to wreck you.

>>29865480
btw how do i get origami ub

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>>29865480
>Necrozma in Ubers
>Kommo-o and Buzzwole in OU
>Golisopod and Mudsdale in UU
>Minior not at least in UU

pyukumuku in ubers

You guys think I should run Fire Fang or Thunder Fang on Moon doggo?
I'm thinking of running Swords Dance, Stealth Rock, Stone Edge ans Thunder/Fire Fang

>>29877584
It depends on the rest of your team

>>29867362
not in this game that's what.

>>29877454
>mold breaker

>>29868211
you're deluded

>>29870577
>I think Sandslash has a chance to be OU.

HAHA

>no ice shard
>no bullet punch

HAHAHA

>>29877584
Neither.

>>29865661
>Better physical bulk than Skarmory
>131 attack
>Reliable recovery
>OU

>>29873562
VP's opinions when most here are shit at competitive Pokémon.

>>29865480
I think people are really underestimating Decidueye. It utterly wrecks all other grass types 1v1. This nigga is gonna fuck stall in the asshole. That's not even mentioning the support it bring with ShacklePass. Easily OU, as expected of this gen's Greninja.

Primarina's typing is too good. It'll be OU. Might drop to UU after a while.

Incineroar honestly sucks. NU for sure. Maybe RU if he's lucky.

>>29882492
Do we know if Shackle passes?

Uber: Marshadow, Solgaleo, Lunala, Pheromosa, Kartana, Xurkitree
OU: Magearna, Necrozma, Celesteela, Buzzwole
UU: Nihilego, Guzzlord

>>29865480
>Solgaleo
>uber
???
Other than "muh box legend" its inferior to Megagross in every way.

Im so glad kommo-o is fucking trash, serves you memeing jojofaggots right

>>29883154
>being a moeshitter

>>29883143
except for the part where it can carry an item, has cosmic power and recovery

>>29883118
Can we stop the "Necrozma will be anything higher than UU" meme? It's literally inferior to Mew.

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>>29883143
>inferior to Megagross
>Free megaslot, Better Defenses, Steel STAB, movepool, and reliable recovery
>Inferior

My prediction:

>Uber
Pheromosa, Marshadow, Magearna, Lunala

>OU
Toxapex, all Tapus, Celesteela, Kartana, Solgaleo, Xurkitree, Necrozma, Buzzwole, Bruxish

>BL
Shiinotic, Minior

>UU
Lycanroc-D, Drampa, Bewear, Tsareena, Salazzle, Palossand, Nihilego, Primarina, Guzzlord, Pyukumuku, Toucannon, Dhelmise, Silvally, Kommo-o

>RU
Decidueye, Mudsdale, Golisopod, Mimikyu, Oricorio (all forms), Ribombee, Crabominable, Lycanroc-N, Incineroar, Wishiwashi

>NU
Gumshoos, Turtonator, Comfey, Komala, Oranguru, Vikavolt

>PU
Passimian, Lurantis, Araquanid, Togedemaru

>>29883681
>it can carry an item
Making him more vulnerable to knock off
>>29883723
>no rocks, no pursuit, no priority, no in built life orb, its steel type STAB and bulk are only marginally better
The only thing it has over Metagross is its (8pp) recovery but even then that doesn't make it broken.

>>29883143
Solgaleo is

>Bulkier, can use Leftovers/AV
>Has reliable recovery
>Has an entire special movepool that even comes with CM
>Closes strength gap between itself and Megagross with Z-Splash, Life Orb or Choice items
>Does not care about stat downs from Intimidate/Sticky Web

You'd have to be mad to want this thing in OU

>>29883710
>inferior to Mew
More Special Attack and Stored Power.

>>29883824
Solgaleo also has better coverage. Metagross has to give up against Mega Scizor while Solagleo just hits it with a Flare Blitz.

>>29883824
>Making him more vulnerable to knock off
The knock off that it will survive with its massive HP and excellent defense, maybe even Morning Sun off of it

>>29883920
And less damage from Knock off, U-Turn and Pursuit. I think Necrozma is a more offensive Mew variant.

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>>29873010
>primarina above decidueye

>>29883993
Yes, Primarina can bypass Substitutes with her Hyper Voice and she is a tank with a good defensive typing.

>>29883993
Water/Fairy > Grass/Ghost

>>29883993
At least Primarina hits like a nuke and has decent enough coverage to stop things from switching in willy nilly, even if it doesn't do anything else.

>>29871139
A-Persian doesn't get Parting Shot.

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>>29884108
>hurr types are everything
>when scizor exists and prospers

>>29884099
A tank that has no worthwhile recovery and is utterly outclassed by everything else
Decidueye has a unique niche that no one else can do, even Dhelmise can't trapcurse quite like Decidueye can

>>29883993
I sometimes wonder where Decidueye would be if it remained Grass/Flying

Where the fuck do you get Magearna and Marshadow guys ?

>>29884162
Except it does. As an egg move.
lern 2 pokemon

>>29883920
It lacks Focus Blast. Necrozma is a trashmon. Even Natu is better.

>>29883917
>Bulkier, can use Leftovers/AV
Only marginally, an AV set cucks him out of recovery and the support options that make him compete with Metagross, lefties are really good but he also becomes more vulnerable to knock off.
>An entire special movepool that comes with CM
True, the only other thing that makes him as good as Metagross.
>Z-Splash
Doesn't learn splash
>Life Orb
All Life Orb does is give the same amount of damage Tough Claws does
>Choice items
Again renouncing to its utility options which make him arguably than Megagross.

>>29883940
>Solgaleo also has better coverage
Arguable, both have amazing coverage, and it's true that Megagross can't do shit to Scizor, but at the same time Solgaleo won't do shit to Quagsire due to lack of Grass Knot.
>>29883970
That's assuming it's running 252 hp 252+ defense (which should be the standard set desu) and even then if it mispredicts and morning suns on a swords dance it's doomed.

It's gonna be good for sure but it won't be Uber material.

>>29884185
are you seriously trying to imply that one of scizor's biggest assets isn't its incredible typing?

>>29883993
I'm more surprised by the fact that people think Prismarina is gonna be UU when UU is filled to the brim with infinitely more useful water types.

>>29884289
The difference is that Scizor is the most popular Mega in OU while Quagsire is barely seen at all.

>>29884276
Yes, Natu has Roost, Miracle Eye and Magic Bounce.

>>29884319
In gen 7 after everything resets Scizor will likely stop being the most popular mega.

>>29884185
The niche doesn't matter if the mon is still ass. Pangoro was the only one with Parting Shot last gen and it was still terrible until move tutors made it usable.

>>29884289
>Doesn't learn splash
Cosmog does learn Splash

>>29884350
Probably. I can possibly see Mawile being used a lot. If Lucario drops I think I'm just gonna take a short break.

>>29884378
https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/learnsets.txt
The movepool doesn't show Solgaleo learning it
I've yet to play the game so I don't know if it evolves as a part of your party or if it evolves through the story

>>29884318
It does different things than most of them. It looks like like Sylveon with more power and better coverage, but less versatility and accuracy. I'd be more sold on it being UU if Hyper Voice got the damage boost so it wouldn't have to rely on Hydro Pump.

>>29884426
> == Cosmog ==
> Start – Splash

Are you fucking kidding me?

Will all UB be OU minimum except for Guzzlord?

>People not realzing that SM's Pokemon won't reach their actual potential until they get move tutors

Look guys, all these Pokemon besides the most absurd ones will be playing second fiddle to old Pokemon because they just don't have the massive range of options older Pokemon have.

Just wait for the move tutors to see where these Mons actually will belong

>>29884510
Yeah but it has no recovery, no speed, no support options, no wish, no baton pass, no physical bulk to wall Entei/Darmanitan, no hazard control, doesn't hit as hard as Crawdaunt, Gyara, Blastoise or Gator, no priority, Work up is its only boosting move. Its typing and spatk won't make it good enough for UU.
And when it comes to fairies, Sylveon hits harder and has the right amount of coverage to become unwallable with Specs, Slurpuff becomes a fast hard hitting god after one boost, Florges is a more balanced Blissey and Whimsicott is literally Hitler for anyone trying to set up or remain fast.
It could be really good in RU but it doesn't do anything that other Waters or Fairies don't do better in UU.

>>29884592
Nihilego might see UU

>>29884698
One problem with that, if you're going to wait that long they might have introduced Marshadow and several new forms by then

>>29865907
>Turtonator
>NU
Why?

>>29884825
Gamefreak likes to fuck over good designs?

>>29884794
>252+ SpA Mega Blastoise Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Florges: 139-165 (38.6 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Florges: 199-235 (55.2 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Florges: 192-226 (53.3 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

You were saying?

>>29884289
>Only marginally, an AV set cucks him out of recovery and the support options that make him compete with Metagross, lefties are really good but he also becomes more vulnerable to knock off.

Yes, that guy's mental for suggesting AV, but otherwise even with vulnerability to knock off Solgaleo way outclasses Megagross as a bulky attacker thanks to Morning Sun (in combination with his ridiculous movepool, anyways).

>Doesn't learn Splash
But it does lmao

>Tough Claws invalidates any gain created by carrying an item

Literally wrong. Welcome to the worlds of "non contact moves exist" and "not being locked into variants of a single set is a huge factor for a Pokemon's viability."

>Won't do shit to Quagsire
Zen still does 40%, and if you're really that desperate you get the option to go for HP Grass or Bloom Doom since you have the stats/movepool/item freedom to do so.

>SD/Knock Bisharp

Please remember that it has to switch in first and takes over 40% even from Sunsteel Strike and don't OHKO with Sucker Punch. You're still effectively a counter but you really don't want to use Bisharp as a counter to a Pokemon that should almost always carry one of Earthquake or Fire Blast. Non-STAB Knocks obviously don't threaten nearly as much.

The Solgaleo/Lunala are not Ubers meme is getting old. We went through this shit with Zekrom and Reshiram already. Reshiram ended up being shit still, but 680 BST shit is still way too good for OU because you can just slap choice items on overstatted things and nuke the meta with things as bulky as walls. The only reason stuff like Kyurem-B is in OU is because it's effectively only got 530 BST because it can't utilize its best stat. While Solgaleo lacks something to make it a GOOD Uber, both of them have everything an Uber could want to make them busted. Nobody in any real competitive circle still thinks that the 680 BSTs could be OU this gen.

>>29884846
>Turtonator
>good design
What you said isn't wrong, though

>>29884876
That's cool but 3 out of 4 teams in UU have water immunity because of Crocune, so specs Hydro Pump isn't anywhere near as spammable as Sylveon's Specs Hyper Voice.

Blastoise has Flash Cannon for Florges and can switch moves even after that.

>>29884846
But why is it shit? I haven't looked at any of the stats yet apart from the ones people have been going crazy over like Vikavolt's snail-tier speed.

>>29885099
>Suicune
>Water immunity

Can't tell if exaggeration or b8.

Any chances the normal/dragon pokemon will be good? It has a nice special attack

>>29885099
It's not as spammable, but it puts a huge threat onto the other team. It also doesn't really have much that wants to switch in except Blissey. Suicune doesn't want to take Energy Ball. Toxicroak or Tentacruel hate Psychic. If you're worried about being locked in, you can use Life Orb, although you'll have to rely more on Stealth Rocks. That said, I'm still iffy on it being UU and can see it being in RU also. Part of that is because Hydro Pump has butt accuracy and that'll screw you when you really need it, and it's not all that versatile because all it does is hit you until you die unless you really want to run Encore. It feels a bit like Clawitzer except with better special bulk and an actual nuking button in Hydro Pump.

>>29885345
Prove me wrong.
Suicune is S tier in the UU metagame and it keeps pokemon like Heliolisk, Toxicroak and Vaporeon in the tier because it's such an influential Pokemon.

>>29884910
Okay, yeah AV isn't really good. I was throwing stuff out there since I saw it had so many options.

>We went through this shit with Zekrom and Reshiram already.
Unfortunately, we're going to keep going through it because the Tao trio are a generation behind. They just feel like something I would have used during DP or VGC 2010.

Solgaleo and Lunala aren't as good as Xerneas or Yveltal clearly, but i'm glad theyre optimizing the 670+ BST stats and movepools more so now.

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So it's looking like UU for this thing?

it's shockingly beefy but it doesnt look like Drain Punch is part of the equation (unless some sort of move tutor down the line?)

>>29882492
Trap passing was removed several years ago
using a slot on something like brave bird to beat other grass-types isn't especially great

i don't really see how it beats stall, it can't trap sabeleye or chansey, it can trap amoongus and skarmory and clefable and mandibuzz but can't do anything to any of them except toxic on mandibuzz, who will then just foul play you and switch out. It does beat Quag and Alomamola, yes, but Aloma will lose itsspot to Toxapex anyway, which fears nothing from Decidueye

It'll be RU at best with some niche in UU

>>29885382
Have you seen Drampa's movepool?

>>29885632
Just the stats. Let me guess, it's horrible?

>>29885659
It's gen 1 Normal-tier, the only thing its missing is recovery

>>29885693
it gets roost

>>29885632

Start - Play Nice
Start - Echoed Voice
L5 - Twister
L9 - Protect
L13 - Glare
L17 - Light Screen
L21 - Dragon Rage
L25 - Natural Gift
L29 - Dragon Breath
L33 - Safeguard
L37 - Extrasensory
L41 - Dragon Pulse
L45 - Fly
L49 - Hyper Voice
L53 - Outrage
TM01 - Work Up
TM02 - Dragon Claw
TM04 - Calm Mind
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM13 - Ice Beam
TM14 - Blizzard
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM19 - Roost
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM22 - Solar Beam
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM32 - Double Team
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM48 - Round
TM49 - Echoed Voice
TM51 - Steel Wing
TM52 - Focus Blast
TM53 - Energy Ball
TM56 - Fling
TM65 - Shadow Claw
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM73 - Thunder Wave
TM76 - Fly
TM77 - Psych Up
TM78 - Bulldoze
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM82 - Dragon Tail
TM86 - Grass Knot
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM90 - Substitute
TM94 - Surf
TM95 - Snarl
TM96 - Nature Power
TM100 - Confide
Tutor - Draco Meteor
Egg - Hurricane
Egg - Dragon Rush
Egg - Razor Wind
Egg - Mist
Egg - Play Rough

>>29885711
Well damn, thanks

>>29885712
This makes me happy. I know it's not gonna be OU or anything like that but it'll be fun for whatever the equivalent of the battle maison is in this game

Primarina won't be worth anything in Singles, but in doubles she has a Water-type Perish Song, which you can use to heal an ally pokemon with Water Absorb or Dry Skin.

>>29885712
So what are we gonna see here?
>Glare
>Roost
>Dragon Pulse
>Flamethrower

Not great but not awful

>>29885758
Probably Dragon Tail over Pulse for parashuffling, it might run sub over Flamethrower to do so but that's probably its main niche

>>29885808
If you're gonna do that, may as well run Sap Sipper to be a cheeky cunt. I think that also makes it a Decidueye hardcounter

>>29885487
Bewear would be OU if it got Drain Punch. A Bulk Up set would be the bane of physical attackers.

>>29885843
What does berseker do?

>>29885933
Boosts the Pokémon’s Sp. Atk stat when it takes a hit that causes its HP to become half or less.

>>29885758
Are you ignoring the fact it gets Calm Mind? It would work like a slightly weaker mega Latias scrap the insane speed and bulk.

>>29865907
>Buzzwole
>not uber

Why?

Fell stinger got boosted, 50 BP and +3 Atk, plus beast boost, and it gets decent moves.

>>29886046
Slow as shit and has no special bulk. BL at best imo

>>29886023
Except there's no point in doing that because you could just use Latias (Mega or non-Mega) for that.

The point is to give it a set that no other pokemon can run, and this is the only thing that gets Glare on top of Recovery (unless you could Serperior's Synthesis or Arbok's ShedRest, which you shouldn't for obvious reasons)

>>29886046
You're really overestimating the utility of Fell Stinger on a pokemon with mediocre speed and a very shallow movepool

>>29886076
>Slow as shit
you just described gen 7 in three words

>>29886046
Unpractical. It does have enough to separate itself from Mega Heracross IMO

SO what's a sandstorm team gonna look like for VGC without excadrill and t-tar?

gigalith, lycanroc-midday, Nihilego, mudsdale, minor, ???

>>29886176
Gigalith, Lycanroc, Kartana, Tapu Bulu, Garchomp, Filler

>>29886176
I don't see why you'd bother with Sand this year. Tyranitar, Excadrill and Hippowdon are the reasons to use it.

If you're not going to use a terrain and you have to use weather, it should be Water. Hell, even Ice would be better right now.

>>29886263
I'm just toying with team ideas at the moment. What would a hail team look like?

>>29886334
Ninetales-A, Tapu Lele, Sandslash-A, Pheromosa, Blizzard Spammer, Fire Resist

I've edited my predictions with help from some kind anons and the knowledge that Water Bubble now acts as Huge Power for Water moves.

>Uber
Solgaleo, Lunala, Pheromosa, Kartana, Marshadow
>OU
Toxapex, Tapu Lele, Tapu Bulu, Tapu Fini, Celesteela, Magearna
>BL
Tapu Koko, Buzzwole, Xurkitree
>UU
Primarina, Lycanroc-D, Ribombee, Shiinotic, Salazzle, Bewear, Tsareena, Palossand, Silvally, Mimikyu, Dhelmise, Kommo-o, Nihilego, Necrozma
>RU
Decidueye, Incineroar, Toucannon, Vikavolt, Araquanid, Mudsdale, Comfey, Oranguru, Golisopod, Minior, Komala, Bruxish, Drampa, Guzzlord
>NU
Gumshoos, Crabominable, Oricorio, Lycanroc-N, Wishiwashi, Lurantis, Passimian, Pyukumuku, Turtonator
>PU
Togedemaru

>>29886508
Could. Could Aquanid see use on a hail team because of water bubble?

>>29886842
>Tapu Koko in BL
At least try

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>>29886865
What's the problem?

>>29886865
Lack of Play Rough really hurts it and Game Freak couldn't be bothered to invent a new phyiscal fairy move instead.

I personally think it'll be OU, at least at the beginning

idk why he put fini about koko though, Misty Terrain is by far the shittiest one

>>29886842
Buzzwole and Xurkitree are OU minimum, possibly uber

>>29886508
Heatran or Starmie could be neat in that last slot

>>29866715
>A-Dugtrio doesn't get Arena Trap

Such a crock of bullshit. It would have ruined Clefable's day so fucking hard.
At least regular Dugtrio got the attack buff too

>>29886922
Xurkitree isn't gonna be a crazy OU mon because of Dugtrio stall. Reminder that Dugtrio has been buffed, and Gengar and Talonflame can't stop it either anymore.

It needs Tail Glow to plow through stall teams, but Dugtrio shuts it down if it doesn't have a scarf.

It'll be a BL mon. Too much for UU to handle, but kinda niche in OU unless Dugtrio stall dies out.

Alolan marowak will have a place in ou

alolan sandslash is gonna do more work then people realise

>>29867345

Tapu lele + ultra beast/fast sweeper

>>29886998
>Alolan marowak will have a place in ou
It will have a place on the teams of sub 1200 shitters, yes

>>29886865
>>29886911
Koko feels like one of those mons that's going to jump in and out between OU and BL depending on the present metagame.

>>29887068
add me ign ImThem

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>>29865480
Switch Primarina and Incineroar, and the amount of gimmicks with Passimian and Oranguru guarantee them UU at the utter least.

>>29865907
>tapu bulu
>ou

>>29887309
Incineroar isn't making UU. It's Arcanine without the things that make Arcanine good.

>Ubers
Pheromosa, Solgaleo, Lunala, Marshadow

>OU
Kartana, Toxapex, Xurkitree, Buzzwole, Tapu Fini, Celesteela, Magearna

>UU
Primarina, Golisopod, Nihilego, Necrozma, Guzzlord, Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Tapu Bulu, Salazzle, Silvally

>RU
Lycanroc-Sun, Drampa, Mimikyu, Turtonator, Incineroar, Bewear, Tsareena, Minior, Decidueye, Dhelmise

>NU
Vikavolt, Ribombee, Comfey, Komala, Palossand,

>PU
everything else

this is the only possible list

>>29887309
>Tapu Bulu
>not OU

>>29887902
>what is aegislash
>what is skarmory

I hope gigalithe is going to be good. Rock types need more rep

>>29887926
>what is aegislash

Removed

>252+ Atk Choice Band Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Aegislash-Shield in Grassy Terrain: 169-200 (52.1 - 61.7%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery and Grassy Terrain recovery

>>29887434
>Tapu Lele
>UU

You're insane. He's a better Mega Gardevoir.

>>29887926
If you're implying Bulu has no utility outside of some all-offense set, you'd be heavily mistaken.

>>29887982
gardevoir was UU in XY before aegislash and mawile were banned

>>29888044
lele is better than gardevoir and is much less susceptible to those two since it's immune to their priority

>>29874685
Wrong. If it has an evolution that is an Alolan form, it always evolves into the alolan form. If it has an alolan counterpart (Grimer) Then it won't evolve into its alolan form. There's no Alolan pikachu

All the Tapus will be OU or BL at worst. Lele might even be banned. It's that good.

>>29887951
UU staple I assume. It won't replace Hippowdon or Tyranitar

>>29887951
This is a pretty good gen for rock. Lycanroc day and to a lesser extent night, minior, sand stream gigalith, the glass jellyfish.

Can someone post Ribombees stats please?

What do the terrain abilities do? From the sound of it they are quite powerful

Water Bubble doubles the power of all water moves, Araquanid confirmed not PU trash.

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>Ubers
Box legends, most UB, Marshadow
>OU
Minior, Tapus, other UB, Golisopod, Minior, Silvally, Decidueye(Trapping stallmon is a crazy gimmick), Magearna, Toxapex
>BL
Silvally, Primarina
>UU
Incineroar, Mimikyu, Drampa, Kommo-o, Mudsdale, Ribombee, Palossand, Drampa, Middray Lycanroc, Salazzle
>RU
Shiinotic, Bewear, Tsareena, Oranguru, Araquanid, Togedemaru, Turtonator, Bruxish, Comfey, Bruxish
>NU
Crabominable, Midnight Lycanroc, Wishiwashi, Passimian(this one hurts the most), Dhelmise, Komala, Vikavolt, Toucannon
>PU
Oricorio, Gumshoos, Lurantis, Pyukumuku