>this is literally the only UB that has a chance of being

>>29826599
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

under 1900elo detected.

>the cockroach is the strongest

Just like real life.

>>29826599
Just about all the UBs aside from Nihilego and Guzzlord has a chance of getting banned from OU.
Most of them will be shit in Uber though.

Kartana has a chance. That Attack with a single Beast Boost is just too good for OU even with its pathetic SpDef.

Not Kartana? It would rape OU after a Swords Dance.

>>29826638
This

>>29826670
>>29826694
Pair it with Primal Kyogre in doubles and the only issues it should run into are Aura Sphere or Vacuum Wave.

Still don't see her making Uber

In terms of viability

Pheromosa = Kartana > Celesteela > Xurkitree > Buzzwole > Nihilego > Guzzlord

I love Guzzlord, but his typing does NOT mesh well with his stats at all.

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>>29826599

>>29826730
I'm not sure if Celesteela will be that good. It gets weird coverage but the balanced stats are a bit discouraging.

>>29826622
HAHHAHAHAH

Non-rank 1 pleb detected

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>>29826730
>celesteela > xurkitree

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>>29826730
>I love Guzzlord, but his typing does NOT mesh well with his stats at all.
>The most terrifying Ultra Beast is the actually the worst Ultra Beast
Well played Gamefreak. Well played...

>>29826599
Moon bros win again!

Guzzlord could work with Z-Stockpile ;_;

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>>29826730
Xurkitree has monster sp attk and access to tail glow. its going to surpass celesteela.

Kartana>Pheromosa>Xurkitree>Buzzwole>Guzzlord>Nihilego

>>29826886
FUCK put celesteela in between Buzzwole and Guzzlord

>+3 252 SpA Life Orb Xurkitree Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 302-356 (47 - 55.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

I like wiggle arm man

>>29826599
Pretty sure Xurkitree with its 173 Sp Atk + access to Tail Glow will be Uber as well, regardless of how good it ends up being in Ubers that shit is way too OP for OU

>>29826886
Thundurus T has a better typing, better speed and nasty plot and it's still just BL. This thing is an even glassier cannon. It's definitely powerful but I don't think it's unstoppable

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I really want Pheromosa to be amazing since she's my fave... I think all UB's could (on paper) be banned from OU... Then thing is not all of them ca survive on Ubers...

I think a good set for (OU) for Pheromosa would be:

>Pheromosa @ Life Orb/Focus Sash
>Hasty/Naive
>U-Turn/Lunge
>HJK
>Ice Beam
>Taunt/Another attacking move

And Buzzwole MIGHT be cool banded and for funsies sracred lol.

>>29826946
I never said it was unstoppable, I just said its going to be better then celesteela and even if Thndurus T is better I wouldn't turn my nose up at xurkitree just yet

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>third highest HP in the game
>the worst of the bunch
How did they fucking do it?

Why would I want UBs to be uber?

With Talonflame dead based Swolesquito can do some good work in OU

Prediction time
>Pheromosa - likely Uber
>Kartana - likely Uber
>Xurkitree - can go either way
>Celesteela - can go either way
>Buzzwole - high OU
>Nihilego - BL
>Guzzlord - UU, hopefully

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>>29826834
>terrifying
that's not how C U T E is spelled, anon

>>29827002
Lol. It's gonna be UU at best. Way too many quick special attackers that can 1HKO it

>>29826985
Dark/Dragon

The slow fat dude is always the weakest of the bunch. It's a trope that's been in many animes.

>>29826804
It gets max Heavy Slam BP on like 95% of all Pokemon.

Will the Jellyfish be somewhat viable with an Air Balloon, Toxic Spikes and Sneaky Pebbles?

>>29826985
>With Beast Boost this is actually very good.

>>29826599
I don't think so
It cant do anything to ghost types
Besides hidden power Ghost/Dark
It has a garbage move set besides its stabs
Ice beams its only other coverage move

>>29826599
Good, I also hope they won't be banned from Battle Spot.

>>29826713
It's Deoxys-A with Deoxys-S' speed, better typing and ability. How is it not uber?

It all depends on one thing: when boosting stats, does it factor item modifers?

For example, take a scarfed Buzzwole. Thanks to the 1.5 boost, a fully invested 252 atk 252 spe jolly buzzwole has more speed than attack. Now say you score a ko, will it boost your attack, or your speed? If the former, Celesteela and Guzzlord will be the only non-uber UB since they are defensive and everything else with a scarf can fucking massacre the while metagame (xurkitree what the fuck).
If the latter, then they will simply be very good ou pokemon and maybe only Pheromosa and Kartana will be in ubers. Completely useless in the tier but still ubers.

>>29827130
Yes, it does.

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A-at least he's a good wallbreaker, right?

>>29826886
It won't be able to use Tail Glow with that awful bulk and it doesn't even need it, it has more than enough sp.atk. to sweep a team unboosted.
Expect Scarf to be its main set and Tail Glow to be gimmick niche shit.
Also Celesteela will see more usage because it has the second best typing in the game, great bulk and great moveset. It would outclass Skarmory in everything if it wasn't for Roost.

>>29827172
A good wall breaker?! Anon you're underestimating his potential

>>29827172
>173 SpA
>Tail Glow
This thing will be amazing. OP is just a faggot.

>>29827127
Prettt sure only thing Beauty has over Deoxys A is 1 bst in speed and 17bst more in Defense

Its ability will most likely only increase speed

Bug fighting and Ice is Shit coverage
And being forced to run HP is a bad sign

>>29827172
Straight to AG.

>>29826969
>I think all UB's could (on paper) be banned from OU
How the fuck can Guzzlord be banned from OU? He's barely better than Wailord.

>>29827031
>what is switching
excadrill is frailer on both sides and is very popular in OU

>>29826708
primal kyorge, bruxish, kartana core op

>>29827235
>what is switching
Give up, /vp/ will never learn.

>>29827130
timid scarfed xurkitree with max investment has 436 speed
if he also has max sp. atk investment, he has 445 sp. atk, so beast boost will boost speed regardless.

>>29827010
Celesteela will never be OU. Just doesn't have anything particularly great to it. Maybe BL.
Buzzwole is a weird mix between Heracross and M-Scizor. I don't see it viable in OU, but it will be very good in UU as a pivot/wallbreaker hybrid.
Guzzlord is guaranteed RU at most.

>>29827235
You can't compare it to Excadrill. It has a better typing and ability.

Fuck your waifu bug - swole squito is best.

>>29826985
Typing. Dark/Dragon is shit with fairies floating around. Its offensive stats are also not amazing. Electric/Dragon or even Dark/Electric would have helped it out.

>>29827302
>Celesteela will never be OU. Just doesn't have anything particularly great to it
It has the second best defensive typing in the game, very high HP and defenses, good coverage and good support moves such as Leech Seed.

>>29827302
>Celesteela will never be OU. Just doesn't have anything particularly great to it. Maybe BL.

>fantastic typing
>good balanced defensive stats
>respectable SpA
>fantastic coverage movepool
>access to Leech Seed
This thing will be great. There is absolutely no way it will be in UU.

>>29827332
Stay mad sunfags

>>29827070
wait, what stat does it gain with Beast Boost?

>>29827368
>sunfags
>mad
>when every single thing that could possibly be better about sun IS better

Denialfags leave

>>29827347
So does onix minus the leech seed

>>29826817
under 1800 detected. Xurkitree tail glow is a meme that requires baton pass shenanigans to work and if you're doing that Espeon is a better pass reciever. Xurk has middling defenses and asstastic speed. The main set won't even use tail glow, it has neither the bulk nor the speed to sweep with tail glow.

Main Xurkitree set will be

Coach McXurk @ Choice Scarf
252spA/252spe/4hp
Timid nature
Beast Boost
Volt Switch
Thunderbolt
Grass Knot
Dazzling Gleam

Similar to specs Jolteon.

>>29827002
I can't wait for ass vest + PuP + leech life shenanigans.

>>29827424
>Onix
>very high HP
>HP: 35
>second best defensive typing
>Rock/Ground

You have to be legitimately retarded.

>>29827457
>shenanigans
Fuck off wolfucker

>>29827424
I don't recall Rock/Ground being the second best defensive typing, let alone an acceptable defensive typing. 40something special defense and HP are also not my definition of "very high".
Also what's Onyx' coverage?

>>29827447
Jolteon doesn't get a special type moxie though

>>29827472
>>29827480
What I meant by that is onix also had very good defensive traits and it turned out to be shit. What do you expect to accomplish with celesteela? its an even worse skarmory because it doesn't have entry hazard set ups

>>29827521
35 HP, 44 Sp.Def and Rock/Ground type are the polar opposite of "very good defensive traits".

>>29827475
I have no idea what you're trying to say to me.

>>29827388
Attack, but it's NOT very good lmao. It's slow and while it's bulky, the 'cutiefly used fairy wind' meme is very much true for him. He simply can't deal with the fact that every STAB fairy move will absolutely wreck him and there's nothing he can do about it. You can't take advantage of your beast boosts unless you have speed passed to you because you are so easily forced out. And with ONLY 100 attack, he's just not that scary compared to other setup sweepers. Won't even be good in UU because Sylveon shits on him, can 2HKO max sdef max HP sets.

Keep in mind, Chansey is 250/5/105 and can hold eviolite, so her sdef bulk is VASTLY superior to Guzzlord which is what allows her to take special hits so well no matter the situation. Even with max investment Guzzlord can't deal with fairies.

>>29827424
>second best defensive typing
>rock/ground

lmao you're retarded. Anyone who thinks that rocket waifu isn't going to be OU is retarded.

>>29827521
Onix does not have good defensive traits at all. Rock is garbage defensively, ground is garbage defensively, and all of its stats outside of def is shit.

Celestela having between 95-107 in all of its stats besides speed is very good. Not to mention its wide arrange or coverage moves and the ability Beast Boost.

>>29827545
>>29827550
Not the point I'm trying to get across. It's not going to be OU let alone ubers. Even with high defense and hp its going to do jack shit

>>29827521
>What I meant by that is onix also had very good defensive traits and it turned out to be shit.
No you're an idiot. Onix doesn't have a single thing going for it besides 160 Defense. Absolutely everything else about it is shit. Other stats, movepool, typing, everything is shit for something that is supposed to be a wall.

>What do you expect to accomplish with celesteela? its an even worse skarmory because it doesn't have entry hazard set ups
Seeding with a fantastic typing, and coverage moves to deal with problems.

>>29827484
Yes, I know. That's why this set will be used over it, well that and the fact that it doesn't need to rely on HP for coverage.

>>29827581
>sperging out this hard

its shit anon. its as shitty as onix is

>>29827576
It doesn't just have high HP and defenses, it also has very respectable attack stats, moves and typing. You don't have to be a battling expert to understand that Celesteela is OU material.
Anyway why am I even replying to you? I should have stopped at "onix also had very good defensive traits".

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>>29827521
>an even worse skarmory
>worse than arguably the best wall in the game

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OU here I come!

>>29827581
Leech seed will not help it anon

>>29827599
You don't know what sperging is. I'm simply telling you why Onix is shit compared to Celesteela.

Pleas just stop posting since clearly has no idea what you're talking about.

>>29827576
And the point we're trying to get across is that you are bad at the game and don't know what you're talking about. The only 'issue' it has is a weak support movepool but that hardly matters when gf gives you almost every relevant tm coverage move you could want.

>>29827609
onix did have good defensive traits but nothing else you underage shit

>>29827615
Skarmory is obviously better im saying celesteela is a worse skarmory

>>29827309
buzzwole can hit harder and is a better physical wall.
Its not going to be as the mole, but its certainly good in its niche

>>29827656
>onix did have good defensive traits but nothing else you underage shit
You have been told why this is completely wrong. Consider this your final (You) from me.

>>29827550
If it runs ass vest it can get a sp. def beast boost.

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>You have been told why this is completely wrong. Consider this your final (You) from me.

>>29827390
Huh. Aside from High Noon form Lycanroc I disagree about literally everything, I like moon's better

Celesteele @ Leftovers
Adamant - Beast Boost
172 HP, 252 Attack, 84 Speed
-Heavy Slam
-Earthquake
-Seed Bomb
-Automatize


That's just one decent set, the thing about a pokemon with such well rounded stats/moves is that you can very easily tailor sets on it to deal with whatever threats are in the meta. Choiced sets will also be pretty good. Heavy slam will always be a good move because this is the new heaviest non-shitmon so it outweighs everything except maybe Groudon P by enough for max damage.

With faeries being so prominent in the Alola dex this will be a pretty decent pokemon in VGC17 as well.

>>29827738
i used to agree but midnight lycanroc actually grew on me massively after using it.

>>29827775
Maybe it will grow on me then too who knows

>>29827760
Autotomize makes your Pokemon lighter, it should never be used with Heavy Slam.

>>29827671
>pidgey used gust!

Seriously though Togekiss completely and utterly destroys this thing unless you predict it on the swtich in and can hit a stone miss. Zapdos also pretty much wrecks it. It's another UB that can't really take advantage of its beast boost because it's easy to force out (Kartana has this problem as well, but it actually doesn't give a shit because it's attack is so high it doesn't care much about a boost), though it is much better than Guzzlord.

>>29827690
To what end? What will you do with that boost, be 3HKO instead of 2HKO by a Sylveon that you can't really do anything to with middling attack and resisted STABs?

>>29827877
is adrenaline orb an held item?
if it is i could see memery with superpower on buzzwole happening

Roach - Uber (but only because it'd be too strong for OU)
Boi, Kaguya and *unsheathes* - OU
Skeeter - RU
Krabs and Lillie - NU

>>29828055
Nothing will go below RU

>>29827809
Celesteela can actually get away with it. It weighs 1000kg. You get max power on heavy slam when the opponent weighs only 1/5th of what your pokemon does, which before automatize is 200kg or less. You lose 100kg per automatize which brings you to 900kg, so full power heavy slam hits anything weighing under 180kg. The cutoff for this is around the weight of Magnezone.

Now, you do lose max power on some pokemon but most of those pokemon

1. Resist heavy slam, and you wouldn't use it on them anyways (Heatran, Metagross, Steelix, Hippowdon, ect)

2. Are hit SE anyways, and the BP reduction for hitting these is either to 100 or 80 which still makes it competitive with iron head (Tyranitar, Regirock, Gigalith, ect.)

3. Are ubers (Kyogre, Ray, Groudon) that this thing won't run into, shitmons (Snorlax, Exeggutor A) that this thing shouldn't run into or something that it can carry a better coverage move for.

>>29827332
Succ is a feminine characteristic

>>29827302
Celesteela is a Skarmory on steroids. It will be guartanteed OU

>>29828174
>It will be guartanteed OU
This is true, but Skarmory is better because it has rocks and recovery.

What is the deal with comparing Celesteela to Skarmory?
Aside from both being Steel/Flying I fail to see how they are similar in role.

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>>29827209

>Its ability will most likely only increase speed

You do know that Beast Boost is effectively customizable for UBs with somewhat close top stats, right? Pheromosa can get Attack, Sp Attack, or Speed boosts depending on its spread.

>>29828266
They're very tanky. You either use one or the other.

>173 Sp. Att
>Electric
>Beast Boost

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING?

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>>29826599
pretty good, gonna enjoy penetrating that body why you cry in agony

>Seduction roach of smells, robotic bambo princess, and feminine bat goddess that calls the moon
>Are not female
why is this allowed?

>>29826599
>waifu bee is strong
>waifu lizard is strong
>waifu cockroach is strong
>waifu fruit is strong
>almost all non waifu mons are shit

It truly is the waifu generation. The end times are upon us.

>>29828485
Roaches can be male too, and seduction isn't exclusively a female thing.
The robotic bamboo princess isn't an actual princess.
The bat isn't feminine.

Uber: Xurkitree, Pheromosa, Kartana
OU: Celesteela, Buzzwole
UU: Guzzlord

>>29828507
All the mons you listed are garbage, good job you dumb betafag.

>>29828515
The bat is literally called the female evolution of Cosmog.

>>29828485
Lunala is called the female evo of Cosmog in game.

>>29828561
Slutalit and Bimbobee are literally the only new non legendary mons with decent speed. The bee also has a good move pool. Maybe the lizard whore got cucked by a bad move pool idk but it definitely has better stats than the majority of new mons.

>>29828394
They aren't, thats why.

>>29827045
>fat
It's just a giant head that represents a black hole. I think you've been exposed too much to America Hollywood to think that every round object is fat.

>>29828738
Friendly reminder that Guzzlord has two heads.

>>29828625
Decent speed is no longer enough to be good

example: Heliolisk.

>>29826599
Horny

>>29828777
Base 130 scarfed is where it's at nowadays

>>29828802
>make everything fucking slow as shit
>then add a new non-mega base 151 to standard play

gj Nintendo lmao.

I-I want Nihilego to be good.

Do you think she'd work well on a sandstorm team as a spikes/rock setter?

252+ Atk Life Orb Gainsquito Fell Stinger vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Latios 291-346 (97.3 - 115.3%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

>>29828935
NANI?!

>>29828935
Irrelevant because Latios is faster and will 1HKO you

>>29828934
I think nihilego is the most underrated of the UBs.
I'm not sure how, exactly, but...

>>29827013
>This thing's a dragon
Well, if a shapeshifting Earth Gundam can be a dragon, anything can be a dragon.

>>29828969
Latios does not OHKO gainsquito since latios uses psyshock mostly.
HP invested gainsquito is a 2HKO

>>29829094
but it can just use Meteor instead :^)

>>29828934
No way it can't be good, the only shit stat it has are Attack(which doesn't matter) and Defense. It has high HP and SpDef and the SpAtk is high too. Has a x4 to Ground and x2 to Water, nobody seriously uses Psychic moves and Steel is uncommon.

Only bad UB is Guzzlord, and that's not even a certainty.

>>29829094
It will with draco meteor, though, even with hp investiment.

>>29829139
>and that's not even a certainty
It is

>>29829165
b-b-b-but my steroid mosquito meme pokemon is definitely a top tier OU

>>29826969
that just looks like a faster weavile.

how is this uber material?

>>29826985
Dragon/dark is good offensively, don't listen to the parrots. Hydreigon does just fine, but do you know what it has in comparison to guzzlord? Better movepool, its best atacking stat isn'101, its speed isn't 43, and its defenses aren't total crap.
Guzzlord is supposed to be a tank, but it doesn't have the defenses and the atk to pull it off.

>>29829230
Kill yourself you retarded shitter.

Elo test for competitive discussion when?

>>29829327
Deoxys-A would be a better comparison.

>>29829446
Stop forcing this. It has much shittier attacking stats and barely any moves available

>>29829464
>Stop forcing this
What?
>It has much shittier attacking stats and barely any moves available
It has the same stat distribution. 150 speed, offense stats high enough to run a mixed set and no bulk at all.

>>29829464
It still literally kills everything in OU. Nothing can switch into it. Toxapex is literally the only pokemon in the game that will stop it from sweeping teams.

>>29829446
except Deoxys cannot be walled

this thing has to deal with Toxapex on every team. What move do you have to hit Toxapex, oh yeah nothing.

>>29829508
>Rattata used Quick Attack!

>>29829508
and tentacruel and quilfish

>>29829524
>Deoxys cannot be walled
>what is Mawile

>>29829549
Nobody uses those in OU.

>>29829536
Does Scizor manage to 1HKO it with bullet punch?

>>29829508
Oh my god, it has one counter? That's it, Pheromosa is shit. But wait!
>Numel used mud slap
Toxapex is shit too. Both are going to NU.

>>29829581
where have you been since gen 1, 2, 3, 4, 5? Oh right you weren't even born. Tentacruel was OU until x/y.

Also You have no idea how bulky Qwilfish is now with intimidate and and the new buffed defense stat. That's good, I'll use him more often.

>>29829641
>Tentacruel was OU until x/y
Guess what, it's 2016.
>You have no idea how bulky Qwilfish is now with intimidate and and the new buffed defense stat
A Pokemon that forces everyone to use some otherwise useless counter is the definiton of overcentralizing. That's why Greninja is gone.

>>29829614
>Toxapex is shit too. Both are going to NU.

AHAHAHAHAHA

Stall is going no where bruh. And it's glorious. I can't wait for the tears.

>>29829687
I had no idea that it was possible to miss the point this hard, I'm genuinely astounded.

>>29829614
Pheromosa counter is getting OHKO'd by every priority in the tier, it's gonna be mid tier OU at best

>>29828434
Toxapex, Gliscor, Skarmory, Mega Venusaur, Heatran, Aegislash

The tears, I can taste it already

>>29828090
That's actually pretty cool, thanks anon.

Celesteela is damn massive, though. 10 meters tall, weighs a ton, it's basically a church with rockets.

>>29829602
Only with Max investment and rocks damage.

>>29827181
>It won't be able to use Tail Glow with that awful bulk

It will against stall teams.

Scarf will be better against offensive teams, Tail Glow will rape stall and and Xurkitree will get banned because of it.

>>29829783
Mega Alakazam, Gardevoir, and Pinsir have the same problem but they're still top tier in OU.

>>29829847
>listed pokemon
>top tier

Lmao, no one is using that garbage in place of Metagross, Lopunny and Medicham.

>>29826599
>Uber
>With that movepool
Kartana may be legit uber along with Xurkitree. Pheromosa thing may only be uber if Smogon finds it's in every team

>>29829889
Lopunny and Medicham are higher in the rankings, Metagross is not.

>>29826808
go play wifi underaged.

>>29828485
"Gender unknown" mostly means they were born through non-organic means, which at that point makes biological sex meaningless.

>>29829832
>rape stall
Unless it's running HP Steel it'll simply get outstalled by Clefable

>>29829889
>comparing physical attackers with special attackers

>>29829975
unaware was nerfed

it only ignores stats boosts if the holder attacks.

>>29829991
no it wasn't

>>29829991
That was debunked yesterday.

>>29830004
>>29830008
source?

>>29829783
>Survives bullet Punch from scizor
>Survives Mach Punch from breloom and conkeldurr
>Resists sucker Punch
Only talonflame could revenge kill it, but can't do it with stealth rocks.

>>29829832
>rape stall
Gliscor outspeeds and OHKOs

>>29830026
>>29814772

>>29830004
>>29830008
please be true

>>29830026
>>29814772

>>29830032
Gets killed by everything you listed with stealth rocks.

M-Scizor OHKO's anyway without rocks.

>>29826599
It's a twig. Snap it and move on.

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>>29830050
>>29830056
>I'm too lazy to make a video
I'm still holding out hope.

How do you catch kartana? The sidequest ended after guzzlord

>>29829975
>252 SpA Magnet Mew Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 169-199 (43 - 50.6%) -- 49.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

>>29830270
Trade with Sun Version

>>29830311
oh

>>29828515
The bat is confirmed female in the Dex.

>>29826599
>Implying they're not all banned to uber the second smogon releases them
I'm sure some like guzz could make it in ou but they're not going to test that

>>29827172
Why did people think this looked like guzma

>>29830401
Just like Kyurem-black is ubers, right?

>>29830503
Mainly because the spark head is similar to Guzma's hair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Dfr4zDdAc

>>29826969
>I think all UB's could (on paper) be banned from OU...
Know what else is on paper? KARTANA

>>29830047
thats why you dont let it stay in on gliscor or predict a SD and retaliate with HP ice

>>29826670
What are its highest base power STAB moves? I want to know if it is actually going to hit like a Pokemon with its Attack should.

>>29830951
Leaf Blade and Smart Strike (70 BP, perfect accuracy, 10 PP)

>>29827209
Deoxys-A has a 90+ % chance of OHKO it with only a minor Attack Investment with ESpeed.

>>29830311
who is the unique moon ub to replace kartana?

>>29831142
cannon waifu Celesteele

>>29831046
Ok so at max investment its 90 base power Leaf Blade hits as hard as a max invested Pokemon that has 123 base attack and access to STAB moves of 120 base power.

Put in that perspective it doesn't look so scary.