ITT lets talk about the buffs given to old Pokemon I, for one,

>>29825271
literally better ninetales because it has more tahn one purpose

Any source for old pokemon that got a Buff or a change?

>>29825271
Did he got a stat buff too?

>>29825285
>Slow as fuck
I don't think so.

>>29825271
I used it on a trick room PU team, and now it gets Trick Room + Eruption under sun.
Too bad it'll ascend out of PU now

>Weak to all hazards
>Outsped by everything
>Reliable hazard remover

>>29825329
Ninetales didnt really do anything
besides fire blast occasionally willo wisp

torkoal can atleast rapid spin,yawn,Lava plume and set up rocks

also people tend to forget that torkoal has 140 defense
decent offenses and and average HP and Sdef
itll be OU anyway
because weather abilities are banned every where else besides Ubers and OU

>le slow meme
Low speed wins the weather war

>>29825271
Why would a Pokémon that is a fucking mini volcano learn this ability?

>>29825459
i think a Auto haze ability would suit him more

Too bad SR is a tutor move, so it won't be avaiable in SM.
Besides, Torkoal is generally very underestimated. The only thing that will keep it from being very good will be the lack of recovery.

>>29825482
you can just wait till janurary and transfer one over
just teach it its HA and it will convert to drought

>>29825459
>why would a fox learn drought
>why would a frog learn drizzle
>why would a rock godzilla learn sand stream

if anything torkoal makes a lot more sense than ninetails

>>29825384
>because weather abilities are banned every where else besides Ubers and OU
why even? that makes the mons either OU or PU

>>29825492
Drought isn't the HA

>>29825492
didn't thought of that
I have a breeded one with white smoke, I think I'll just edit that one out, I'm affectionate to it

>>29825509
oh, really? even better, I'll just keep it the way it is and use an ability capsule

>>29825459
>Volcano
>Large eruptions cause ash clouds which block the sun
Snow Warning confirmed.

>>29825499
Those make more sense than a volcano Pokémon clearing up the sky

>>29825533
the idea is that it makes the air extremely hot, I think
tell me how a frog summoning rain because reasons makes more sense

>literally my mom's toilet can now summon rain

>>29825565
concerned that your mother shits on Volcano turtles

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>>29825459
>>29825473
>>29825499
>>29825533
>>29825546
In my opinion this fucker should have Drizzle (and maybe Drought too?) as ability instead of Heatproof or Heavy metal.

>>29825271
I've always liked Torkoal's design; It's good to see the squinty little guy getting some love.

>>29825687
now this is a post that makes sense

>>29825271
Everyone talking about terrain but weather got big buffs.

>A.Nintetales and Slush Rush making hail great again
>Pelipper better than politoad, roost, stab 100% hurricanes, only weather setter with u turn
>Torkol better sun setter than old Ninetales, stealth rock, spin, rare physically defensive fire type.
>z varients of all weather setting moves give +1 speed and set weather. Could be very powerful for mons with abilities like solar power, rain dish, or sand force.

>>29825310
check thunder blunder on youtube

>>29826487
>>29826487
pelipper also has defog and u turn

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>>29825271
>Bibarel got Swords Dance and Aqua Jet
>Simple SD is a 4-stage Atk boost
>Now has two STAB priority moves with amazing coverage (the other being Quick Attack)
Is...is Bibarel gonna be OU this gen?

>>29826487
manaphy with rain dance and tail glow/calm mind is going to be a god

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>>29826644
>Bibarel used Quick Attack
>Bibarel used Aqua Jet

>>29826640
Damn the pelican just keeps getting better. He is available in game right? I don't wanna wait for January

>>29826702
Topu lelu is more likely to see play.

The z weather setting moves give +1 speed, what about z terrain?

>>29826702
You need to take care of the stuff that counters your sweeper before you send it out, anon.

>>29826487
So I guess weather and Terrains will be the new meta this gen. That's actually pretty great since it will lead to some interesting new strategies.

>>29826702
Does that thing even outspeed Bibarel?

>>29826796
Yeah by like 20 points

>>29826795
Yea I'm excited. I always liked the old weather meta. Building around weather/terrain setters is allot more interesting than choosing the hardest hitting fastest mons or the most stalliest.

>Dragon Dance Flygon
How do you think he will compare to the likes of gyarados, salamence and haxorus?

>>29827308
Poorly

>>29827308
Sets up VS P-Don in Ubers.