>even the regional bird is the slowest of all regional birds

>>29804736
What makes you say that it's unusable? Doesn't it have a charge move done right?

>>29804806
Only 100 BP for a move that takes up two turns?

flame charge

>>29804839
It doesn't take two turns. It's like Focus Punch and Shell Trap: Negative priority with a bonus effect for enemies that make contact before it's used. In this case, it burns foes that make contact while charging.

If you can't use a pokemon just because ''Muh Speed'' then maybe you're the problem

This bird has destructive potential out the ass

>>29804908
Oh, right. That's pretty good then.

Still, why the fuck is everything so slow in alola?

>Cannon pokemon
>not fire, steel, or rock
wew

>>29804975
What even makes it a cannon?
Does it charge up its beak and fire it off or what?

The Bird is pretty good imo. Not gen 6 smogonbird good, but pretty good

>>29805004
Yeah it glows red and the tip flips open.

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>>29805004
Kind of this.

>>29805068
I like it, but I'm still sad that GF made everything move like a turtle.

Vikavolt is the biggest disapointment by far.

>>29805099
>Vikavold is slower than FUCKING C O N K E L D U R R
What the fuck were they thinking?

>>29805543
T-there can still be a day 1 patch that gives all sm pokemon the right speed, right?

This is just some anti-pirate measure..

>>29805543
It's slower than fucking Cradily and Golem

>>29805576
I mean I haven't seen National Pokedex entries yet so if they're not in the game there's going to be a patch at some point.
Who knows, maybe they'll patch up THE BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY while they're at it.
>>29805591
Jesus fucking SHIT.

The sheer autism of people only caring about one stat on a Pokemon.

>120 attack
>useless

>>29805543
It's slower than a weedle nigga

I think it's cool
We don't need another staraptor, this guy seems distinct and fun
A bird that can burn with rock and grass coverage seems fun

Also I think it's better that vikavolt is slow so we have another option for slow volt switches

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Only based pokemon of this gen

With beak blast and link skill rock blast, may just be viable

Hyper offensive autism tear is delicious.

>>29805717
>>that pollen puff

>>29805760
People are actually complaining because it makes gen 7 not viable almost all the way through

After all, why use these new artificially slow pokemon if you can use normal ones from the past 6 gens?

>>29804736
Shittier Staraptor. Bravo Game Freak.

>>29805657
>mediocre-at-best bulk
>typing that's been done a billion times before
>unimpressive movepool
>also slow
>>>>>not useless
120 base attack isn't even that good for something as slow, frail, and overdone as Toucannon. It'll be lucky to see RU.
>>29805668
GodDAMN.

>>29804736
I blame Trump

>>29804932
Everyone was so focused on priority last gen that the new ones all burned out from the rush

>>29805784
"artificially slow"
Haha what

>>29805791
How do I burn my enemies with staraptor?

>>29806091
Slower than makes sense considering the design of the pokémon

>>29805807
It's movepool IS impressive
What other birds have the same sort of coverage?

>>29806104
I think the designers probably have a better idea of how quick these pokemon are than anybody else

Besides, a fast vikavolt would have been boring because we already have galvantula

>>29804736
Even the starters
GG Game Freak

>>29805835
This thing is such a bro in-game.
Can always count on it.

what would a Good moveset for this big bad bird be?

>>29805655
Speed is literally the most important stat because of how the game's mechanics are. Getting to act first snowballs.

>>29806144
Why is Grubbin faster than Vikavolt?

Vikavolt gets wings.

>>29804736
seriously, whats GFs problem?

>>29806207
Probably an attempt to halt the speed creep after gen 6

>>29806244
>all old mons still exist
they didn't think this through
this only helps the alola-only vgc 2017
after that..

>>29806244
But the older gen mons are still fast

>>29806152
Jolly choice band, maybe? Or roost 3 attacks? I plan on trying flame charge at some point.

>>29806149
Pseudo Intimidate is pretty nice if you switch in on a physical attacker.

>>29806175
How am I supposed so know? It's just the reality of it and it's totally cool

>>29806256
> old mons exist so let's throw out any concept of standards

I'd much, much rather have another gen 7 than another gen 5
Almost ruined competitive

>>29807029
They should've nerfed the speed or reworked it of all past 6 gens too in this one

>>29807029
First of all gen 7 isn't even out. Second of all gen 5 was bad because of perma weather not because the dex wasn't filled with snails.

Speaking of Vikavolt HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EVOLVE CHARJABUG?

>>29807080
I don't think slow pokemon is a big deal, so far the stats we're getting are great and tasteful

>even that weird alien spider has super low speed
fuck

>>29805717
Does it learn Quiver Dance?

If anything this exposes how fucking terrible the Pokemon meta is

If speed is the sole deciding factor on viability what's even the point?

>>29807191
Cannon Bug evolves in the Canyon knowing an electrical special move and leveling up.

>>29807286
It does.
Modest with Quiver Dance, Pollen Puff, Moonblast and HP Fire/Ground should be good enough for UU or it can be a support with Baton Pass(singles) and Speed Swap( doubles)

>>29807375
Speed it's not the only viability factor, but most of the Gen VII pokemon are not bulky enough to justify the low speed or are just outclassed

>>29807376
Jesus Christ. Does it have to be Friday the 13th of a prime year too?

>>29807375
this
slow pokers needs a DEF buff

>>29805068
Why is this bird so fucking angry?

>>29807191
Electric Stone on the third island.

>>29807511
It only needs to be in the Canyon, the other stuff was debunked

>>29807559
It works anywhere in the area

>>29807212
>so far the stats we're getting are great and tasteful
They're not. You can't look at the fucking spider and tell me it's "great and tasteful".

This is a another fucking hoenn where everything is some slow frail mixed attacker with no movepool.

>>29807559
Where is this fabled "electric stone" I'm on the 3rd island, and have seen nothing like it. I just beat the ghost totem thing, am I not far enough?

>>29807648
Actually >>29807619 pointed out it works anywhere in that area, not just a a giant stone, I guess it's like Mt.Corronet DP.

>>29807375
It's not that speed is the only deciding factor, it's that if you're gonna be slow, you need to have the bulk or utility to back up it, otherwise there's no point.

All these slow mons are squishy as all shit while having mediocre movepools and meh attacking stats, so what's even the point of being so slow.

I'm of the belief they'll roll out a massive patch come January that changes all the alolan stats.

>>29807375
>If speed is the sole deciding factor
It's not, but the value of stats isn't equivalent, neither to each other nor inside themselves. Having a BST of 500 with all stats evenly spread is not nearly as strong as the same BST but with most points in atk and speed with low spa.

>>29807670
But I don't know what area the electric rock is even in, anon, that's the problem.

>>29805576
It gets Agility. If Timid, it can outspeed a bunch of shit after you use it. You can either force a switch and use it, or just be cheeky and run Focus Sash + Tapu Lele.

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I know "everything works in-game" but I plan on raising a toucannon with skill link. Is it even worth it to try to get a jolly or should I go for adamant?

>>29807803
Impossible to know with no knowledge of how the meta you are going to play in is going to go. Speed boosting nature is the best choice nearly most of the time though.

>>29807803
Well, crawdaunt is slow as shit, but runs jolly to outspeed some defensive stuff and slow offensive stuff. I'm guessing toucannon will be the same way, so I'd go jolly.

>>29807786
>J-just use Agility!
Galvantula has the same typing, decent coverage and doesn't need to waste a turn on Agility to outspeed and hit shit. It would've also been RU at best without Sticky Web.

>>29807892
>i-i'l s-stutter h-his p-point to prove m-mine!!

Galvantula can barely scratch shit if not hitting for super effective. If it has access to Agility, it can use it if you want.

>>29806091
Heat wave :^)

>>29804736
So slow with absolutely NO BULK

FUCK you can't even slap a scarf on it

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>>29805835
You sound like you've played the game. This is probably a stupid question, but is there a breeding center in this game? I haven't heard anyone talk about it, and if so, how early is it accessible in the game?

>>29807944
Are you kidding? Galvantula's thunder hits way harder than vikavolt's thunderbolt

>>29807961
Second island, stoutland is faster than running tauros.

>>29807961
It's on the second island, I think. They talked about raising Pokemon, eggs and that you could leave them training there, but I didn't enter the house to check because I don't need it right now.

>>29807550
its has good ATT but can't use it because its SLOW

>>29807995
>252 SpA Life Orb Galvantula Thunder vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jirachi: 191-226 (56 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Life Orb Vikavolt Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jirachi: 208-246 (60.9 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
No it doesn't.

>>29808092
Thanks for the little help anon. I was looking for its exact base SpA to make the calcs but it seems like Nintendo took out Kaphotics' video.

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>>29804736
Superior bird incoming.

>>29804736
>hated toucan when it was first leaked
>now one of my favorite new pokemon
>easily 3rd place for my favorite regional birds

>>29805791
*Pidgeot

>>29805835
>people were thinking this thing was going to be fast because it was a horse

>>29808092
Not the other guy but looking at their stats, Galvantula can probably score the two hits while Vikavolt (why GF?) can probably only connect the first and will be dead on the second turn.

I was seriously expecting Vikavolt to be fast.

>>29808332
I am failing to see how Oricorio is useful, despite how much I love it.

It only learns 3 dance moves, and only one of those raises stats. Why?

>>29809057
>I was seriously expecting Vikavolt to be fast.
We all were.

>>29807995
And Galvantula is grounded, which means it will benefit from Electric Surge a big time.

>>29809147
Someone post a pic of Vikavolt's stats, let's try to change them a bit and see how it could be fixed without making it stupidly strong.

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>>29808727
>mfw M-Pidgeot will be the closest a regional bird will be from OU this gen
I mean, Pelliper can be OU now but he ain't a regional bird

>>29805543

>Vikavolt is slower than Grubbin

>>29805591
>>29805543
>>29805099
Okay this is getting rididiculous. This has to be a huge oversight or Gf changed how Speed factors on the battle.

Cause jesus christ how could they have made every single Pokemon this gen so freaking slow. Did they accounted nobody'd play as with their old ones?

Are there ANY Pokemon this Gen that are usable and aren't shit?

>>29804932
Probably to avoid a huge power creep.

>>29809285
>ANY
Plenty with the ultra beasts and tapus. Out of the non special ones, there's like 3 that look decent though.

>>29809319
Then why didn't they adjust the speed of other regions too?

>>29809348
Because they're literally only balancing stuff around VGC, and this year's format won't allow many old stuff. We don't know if that will change for VGC18 either.

>>29809285
Marshadow is godly, Magearna is decent.

>>29809105

Its a doubles gimmick, use it with a Petal/Fiery/Quiver dance user etc.

>>29809400
There's a shit ton of old Pokemon available in the fucking game so this meme excuse doesn't work.

>>29809330
>>29809419

Any that aren't special/legendary?

>>29805814
Trump is also shit

>>29804736
What pisses me about all these slow as fuck pokemon is that almost none of them have the bulk to help with the lack of speed

>>29810367
Thats no way to respect your new President.

>>29807550
because pikipekfags hate it

>>29809971
Off the top of my head, the sea urchine thing will definitely be a staple of stall teams. It's REALLY good.

Salazzle, Rimbombee, and Lycanroc day all seem decent at best and are probably the only 3 non legendary/UB Alolan Pokemon with decent speed stats.

Minior will probably be good because of its ability, Shell Smash, and STAB Acrobatics shenanigans.

People are saying Mimikyu is good because of it's ability and fairly solid stats.

Alolan Ninetails and Alolan Golem are probably the only 2 Alolan form mons done right. Golem gets the Galvonize ability (an electric -ate ability) which gives him insanely powerful explosions, and Alolan Ninetales has a good offensive typing, passable speed, and a great ability in Snow Warning. It's the only snow warning Pokemon who doesn't take SE damage from fighting type moves.

Alolan MUK could possibly be good since it only has one weakness and it's ability seems interesting.

That's all I can think of though. I'm sure I'm missing one or two mons. It's funny, because basically all the legends and UB's are viable competitively.

>>29810901
>I'm sure I'm missing one or two mons.
Kommo-o is fine, I think. Probably. Its Fighting STABs are weak as shit but oh well, probably won't be any lower than UU.

>>29810773
Under what authority does an elected official work?
Under those that elected him, not the authority of those who did not want that person.

>>29804736
>learns Tailwind through breeding
DONT WORRY GUYS I GOT THIS!

I don't understand its eye. Can someone help me understand it?

>>29809285
Toxapex seems like to shape up as a Poison Type Ferrothorn that has access to Regenerator as its ability.

>>29809285
Salazzle seems OK, mostly due to the 117 seed tier and barely passable coverage.
Toxapex will be on every stall team ever.
Kommo-o is super versatile.
Apparently golisopod's ability doesn't work like wimp out, and instead functions as a free eject button (you get to pick what you send in), which could be really good.
Minior has edgequake + acrobatics + shell smash.
Comfey seems decent.
The mushroom fella has a move that restores HP based on the target's attack stat, but we have no idea exactly how it works. Could go either way.
People seem to think ribombee will be good, and it very well could be, but all it really has going for it is speed. Bad coverage and typing.
Dhelmise (the anchor) seems like a better version of decidueye, and, like salazzle, its movepool is small, but it gets most of the things it needs to shine.
Mimikyu seems solid.
Bruxish gets swords dance + aqua jet with immunity to priority or STAB strong jaw psychic fangs and over 90 speed. Might see some usage.
Wishiwashi might be good. I expect to see a lot of chestoresto fishies for the first few months at least.

But yeah, everything else that isn't a legendary or UB is pretty bad/niche in OU singles.

>>29809285
They are good in Trick Room :^)

Except Gamefreak also forgot to give them either bulk, offense, moves or a good ability. Or gave them a good ability to something that has no way to abuse it.

It's Gen 3 2.0 in terms of shitmons. At least this Gen has the UB and Tapus to pick up the slack. And let's not forget Marshadow who's even more perfect than Garchomp in terms of everything. I have a hard time believing GF actually willingly made such a good Pokemon in every single damn aspect.

>>29804736
Trick Room.
Tailwind.
Flame Charge.
Speed Swap.
Heck, even Speed Boost Baton Pass.
You name it, OP.

The only thing that upsets me is Sheer Force. It only learns fucking Steel Wing to abuse that ability. What a fucking waste. Adaptability would've been better.

>>29807803
Imo neither since that Boomburst is just too good to miss out.

>>29812550
Or Contrary, imagine Contrary Overheat with Hyper Voice and Air Slash.

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>>29812606
It gets Boomburst, anon.
Contrary or Scrappy would've been amazing.

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>>29805717
Excuse me

>>29807080
Gen 5 is my favourite gen anon but it did add the ultra-cancerous genies and semi-cancerous musketeers. It also made 108 like the standard bar for fast Pokemon.

>>29804736
What program is that?

>>29809646
I hate this, it should have gotten Quiver Dance to use on its own.

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>literally the only new pokemon with a speed stat of 100 and above

>>29814023
Does Marshadow even exist yet?

>Shit speed is okay because trick room xDD

When will this meme end and when will people stop acting like Trick Room is good?

>>29804930
Because gf [doesn't want you to be happy]

Why are most of the mons in this gen so slow what's the reasoning behind this?

>>29814308
Old Pokemon are too fast, therefore no one should ever be able to challenge them in the future.

>>29812550
>It only learns fucking Steel Wing to abuse that ability
It gets Flame Charge and Rock Smash. Which covers most Normal/Flying resists. It would need to run Swords Dance to do any damage though.

>>29810901
As much as the starters are getting shat on, Entermaid looks like it could be a semi-decent special wall, and it's unique Z-move may come in handy. I'd guess UU or BL for Smogonfags, probably a lot more viable in doubles with a speedy partner to make up for it.

>>29804736
I also wanna know what program is that, been seeing this for a few days.

>>29805717
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>>29810901
Toxapex is literally the beginning of Skarmbliss 2.0 because it covers so well for Ferrothorn and vice versa.

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>>29805543
It's literally the second slowest Electric pokemon. The only thing slower is this shitmon.

Some people tend to forget that the official format of competitive Pokemon is Doubles, no single battles or OU or any of that, they dont give a fuck about OU or those tiers when you see new abilities being focused on doubles only like Receiver or Power of Alchemy.

>>29816250
Most of these mons are shit in VGC as well once the national dex and megas are allowed back in dumbass autist

>>29806144
>Vikavolt is adept at acrobatic flight maneuvers like tailspins and sharp turns. It can fly at high speeds even as it weaves its way through the complicated tangle of branches in the forest.
-the designers

>>29816250
Only reason they do Doubles to begin with is because they want to rush things.
Hell, I'm surprised Doubles hasn't overtaken the actual games aside from Orre.

BW Battle System Design:
>Shigeki Morimoto (Lead)
>Kōji Nishino

XY Battle System Design:
>Shigeki Morimoto (Lead)
>Koji Nishino
>Tetsuji Ohta
>Teruyuki Shimoyamada

SM Battle System Design:
>Kazumasa Iwao

Could this have something to do with why stats and abilities are so nonsensical this gen?

>>29816561
>Morimoto isn't leading
>ONE (1) PERSON
The absolute madmen

>>29810367
you're shit, liberal

>>29810979
>being this delusional

>>29816250
But most of them are shit even in doubles. The Alola Dex has old Pokémon far better than them.
And once VGC goes back to allowing national dex pokémon, they're going to be completely forgotten in favor of older and better pokémon.
At least in smogon they can see some action in UU.

>>29805717
I want to marry ribombee

>>29812384
>>29809285

Bewear's looking to be alright too

120 health, 125 attack, 80 defense + Fluffy, learns Bulk Up

unfortunately it looks like Drain Punch isnt part of the equation

>>29814023
In other words, the only usable offensive mons, unless speed swap shenanigans are involved.

I haven't looked through all new pokémon data, what are some good defensive walls?

>>29805835
Im a pleb....where does everyone get these pics and stats?

>>29804932
They ate too many pancakes.

>>29806113
all of them
the only bird with worse coverage is swellow

All these screenshots are from PKHex right?

Anyone got a download link?

>>29804736
This is one of the best regional birds by a lot, actually.

Most of the birds have a lot of speed and terribly limited movesets. This bird trades that for Skill Link Rock Blast, Bullet Seed, Flame Charge, and Brick Break in addition to Drill Peck and Return.

>>29817933
Are you crazy?

>Pidgeot
Terrible stats, waste of a Mega, extremely limited move pool.
>Noctowl
Fucking LMAO
>Swellow
Decent stats, standard bird mon limitations where your attacking spread is limited to flying and normal stab + mediocre steel wing and u-turn
>Starraptor
Close Combat pushes it over the edge.
>Unfezant
Better Swellow, exact same problems in terms of moveset (Flying Normal Steel Bug)
>Talonflame
Completely busted, best bird. Spread is still limited to Fire and Flying though.

Toucannon is still the best bird in terms of moveset coverage though. Worse than Starraptor and Talonflame but more varied than Swellow and Unfezant.

>>29805835
>100/100/85
>def+1 every time it gets hit
BALKBROS

>>29819451
Unfezant can afford to be lowered. Like it doesn't even get Brave Bird, it has to use Pluck.

>>29819519
If only it could heal itself.

What website is this?

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>>29814243
If it wins battles it wins battles kid.
I don't like wasting a move slot for the either but it seems to win battles.