>my bro got buffed the fuck out How's your bro doing, /vp/ ?

>>29801974

He's still awful.

But the real question is, is poison threads a combination of toxic spikes+sticky web, or String shot+toxic?

Because the latter isn't even worth using

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>>29801974
I didn't think anyone other than me would like this pokemon
its still shit though m8

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>Gigalith got sand stream
>Vanilluxe got snow warning
>Cryogonal got good stat buffs
>Solrock/Lunatone got HP buffs
They're doing pretty damn good

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>>29801974
>buffed the fucked out
>+10

>>29802013
At least it finally gets swords dance. Still
>+10 to SpD
Why gamefreak

>TFW Gengar fag.

>>29802099
Yeah man, that's like DOUBLE the stats.

>based Gigalith finally out of Golem's shadow
Feels good

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One got killed, the other got a nice sidegrade.

Fucking hell.

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>>29802148
ariados would need another evolution with a +80speed +40attack +40hp increase; and then a fucking mega evolution to become a viable pokemon
still my bro though

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Poliwrath got NOTHING

>>29802287
It got Z-splash

>>29802287
It can laugh at /pol/itoed now.

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>>29801974
>Z-Conversion
I'm happy

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>Sudowoodo got Head Smash and Tearful Look
>Chimecho got its HP and defenses buffed
They're still trash but I love them anyways

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>>29802099
It also got a signature move in Toxic Thread

>>29801974
What'd he get?

>>29802013
I love all spider Pokemon.

>Lanturn got nothing
>Porygon-Z seemingly received nothing until Z-Conversion which is actually really good, but it's one of those Hawlucha/Hitmonlee Unburden things where you only get one chance to use it without switching
>the supposed Eviolite nerf kills the Porygon2; it can run Z-Conversion as well but not really as effective on it

>>29802348
I'm glad they finally threw Porygon-Z a bone after staying completely the same in movepool/ability since Gen 4. The same Z-move is widely distributed with some other major Pokemon though, so it's still going to face some competition.

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>Cacturne
Nothing

>Hitmontop
Nothing

>Gourgeist
Nothing

>Electrode
Nothi- w-wait, a buff?!
>Spd +10
Fucking really? He already had monstrous speed. That's not what he needed, GF! REEEEEEE

>>29802524
Its probably going to be a speed swap user for doubles anon

>>29801999
Doesn't he get leech life too? Not that he has much to work with but having recovery isn't a bad thing

>>29802629
It doesn't learn speed swap

>>29801974
Snorlax got an unique Z-move
pretty good

>zangoose
another generation of no changes

>>29802692
maybe you're supposed to use speed swap on it anon, like using skill swap on shedinja?

>>29802669

I don't think he'd survive long enough to make it worth it. I'd say for ariados it's better to go megahorn, or forgo offensive investment entirely and stick with foul play/entry hazards.

Ariados is shit either way.

>>29802732

I'm pretty sure only fast pokemon can learn speed swap, it would be broken if a slow pokemon got speed swap and could steal the opponent's frail fast pokemon's speed, and bring that frail pokemon to a crawl.

If you are already fast you either don't need speed swap, or would be better off with agility

>>29802228
Lol not aloan golem, that stab electric explosion is gonna make him OU insurance

>>29802761
Yeah, but at this point, who even cares about regular Golem anymore. Its Alolan cousin is gonna be a lot more fun to use.

>>29802751
but then why wouldn't electrode learn speed swap if its a fast pokemon?

>>29802733
Ariados has 2 priority attacks and fell stinger got buffed. You try to nab a fell stinger kill then spam +3 priority attacks.

Oh and what he needs is a mega that turns him into a big monster spider with arena trap.

>>29802798

Isn't Ariados already huge?

>>29802787

I don't know that it won't, but why would they give speed swap to every fast pokemon?

>>29802798
I like the idea of Mega Ariados being Bug/Psychic, sitting in the middle of a psychic power infused web.

>>29802817
Yes but we need to go huger!

>>29802822
its stupid as it sounds. the only pokemon that would benefit from it would be slow pokemon or niche use in double battles.

>>29802399
>Toxic Thread

This is a joke waiting to be made.

>>29802332
Not really.

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Did he get anything?
Anything at all?

>>29802348
He's still a piece of shit with 90 speed and no bulk. The only good Porygon got nerfed hard.

>>29803209
+20 sp.def and flame wheel

>Typhlosion
Could it use high power Eruption THEN wait to use Z Eruption (always 200 BP from what I understand) at low health, maybe with Blaze? Certainly a hell of a lot more useful than that garbage obscure new fire move it got along with Arcanine and Moltres.

>>29802274
Just a min-maxed mega, -50 SpAtk, +50 Att, +100 speed and give it merciless as its ability

>>29803288
Why would you even want to use Typhlosion now, not only he's a bad pokemon but he also looks like shit in current games.

Farfetch'd got an attack buff apparently, but it'll probably still not be that great outside of romhacks.

I heard Arcanine/Growlithe got a nice buff with Burn Up and maybe sone stat boosts, but nothing really confirmed as far as I can tell. Haven't been keeping up with that info very much.

Then there is Meowth and Persian getting Alolan forms which I'm still on the fence about.

Haven't heard anything about Slowbro

Also I guess all my bros are Gen 1 apparently.

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Did my bro get anything at all?

>>29803359
This thread is about bro viability you mook

>>29803384
+10 attack

>>29802348
What does Z-Conversion do?

Still the worst regional rat

>Scizor

It's fine already. But no more Talonflame, that's enough of a reason for me to celebrate.

>>29803667
+1 to all stats before applying the Conversion effect.

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Afaik team preview is still a think so feelsbadman.ogg

>>29803711
That can be useful. Thanks.

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I dunno, you tell me.

Sylveon got the very situational Z-Celebrate and Z-Calm Mind and wasn't absolutely steamrolled by Primarina's presence. That'll do.

+10 to HP/Def/SpD
Couldn't be happier, just need a way to give pokemon their HAs and we're set

Did samurott get anything?

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Fairies are stronger than ever, as is the bug type.

So I'd say not very good.

>>29802255
>fly + choice band

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>he is once more, undeniably, the Bravest Bird

>>29801974
>Gengar loses levitate

Fuck I'm out.

Is there a compilation of all changed pokes or do I need to go through the whole list?

>>29803951
He got a unique signature move.

>>29804420
Of BL

>>29801974
>buffed the fuck out
nigga hes still complete shit he got 10+

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He didn't get any stat buffs but I'm hoping the Leech Life buff helps him out. Either way, I'm excited to see so many old, forgotten mons get love

>>29803382
Alolan Persian is going to be a great utility mon and will get better use out of Z-Parting Shot/regular Parting Shot than Pangoro could have. But as that one anon said, fairies and bugs are more dangerous than ever.

What do Z moves do when applied to a non-attacking move? So far I've seen +1 to all stats and resetting status conditions. Is there a cheat sheet?

Muh nigga Crustle got +10atk.

And a nerd for Talonflame is a buff to all my bug bros.

>>29804480
Was just about to post him. Is he still a shitmon?

How are the bugbros feeling about leech life going from total shit to the best draining move in the game?

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Is LC NU a thing yet? I mean I know what to expect after 4 generations of falling lower and lower, but it'd be good to have a tier where my bro can be of use.

>>29804603
Elaborate

>>29804662
Leech life was buffed to 80 BP, Drain Punch, Giga Drain, and Horn Leech only have 75 BP.

>>29804564
Yes, most of the buffed mons are still shit but Dodrio, Dugtrio (classic not Alola form, Alola form might be good too but no Arena Trap), Mantine, Beartic, Pelipper, Torkol, and Gigalith all went up dramatically in relevancy.

Alolan Ninetales, Golem, and Muk are also likely to see play and Alolan Sandslash will probably see more play than the old one. Alolan Marowak is also more powerful than old Marowak but still shit, he's not coming out of PU/NU but he might be a real threat down there now because Rock Head + Flare Blitz + THICC club will end lives.

>>29804795
What happened to Mantine?

Love that little guy.

There's rumors Crobat got buffed but I haven't seen any proof yet.

>>29804826
+20 HP and acess to Roost

Mantine is good now

>>29804826
+20HP and Roost, many are saying he might be OU now.

>>29804856
I don't think he has been buffed. Pretty sure it was just some anon being a dick and starting a rumor.

Did girafarig get anything? Please tell me my favorite got something.

>>29804871
>>29804870
holyyy shit

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>none of your bros got buffed or anything that mattered
Fuck

Rapidash
Zebstrika
any help at all?

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>>29801974
>How's your bro doing, /vp/ ?
Well, thanks for asking~

>>29802524
the +10 on electrode is actually significant though, outspeeds a few choice scarf users that way and has it once again as third fastest mon in the game

sure it could have used a significant boost in a wide variety of ways but lets face it, even if his sp-atk got buffed vastly, he still has no movepool or bulk

>>29806440
Do we know yet if Burn Up makes the Pokemon normal or typeless?

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>>29801974
>gets quiver dance
fan tastic

Lilligant is a version exclusive and yet she got jack shit, not even access to new moves.

Salt levels maximum.

>>29806472
They become normal

>typeless
Don't be stupid

>Ledian: In battle, it throws punches with all four arms. The power of each individual blow is piddly, so it aims to win by quantity rather than quality.
That's how he's doing, thanks for asking.

>>29806494
So Burn Up is 100% useless on Typhlosion
Great, thanks Game Freak
First no Mega and now this

>>29806610
>still liking flightless Charizard

>>29806670
>stop liking what I don't like

>>29806670
>still liking genwun pandering
cause dragons are so badass right xD?

>>29806680
Point to me where I said I liked Charizard.

>>29804795
How did Dodrio get buffed? I love that guy.

>>29806698
point out where you didn't

>>29802365
>tfw no Sudowoodo evolution named Falsawood

Does anyone know if fell stinger z move gives you +3 if you KO someone with it? Because that's cool for our bro ariados if so.

>>29806440
>Burn Up
>ES STAB

yaaaaaaassss~ Also, the Vanilluxe line getting Snow Warning is making the game for me.

>>29806722
Jump Kick and Base 110 speed.

>>29806722
110 speed, Jump Kick and Swords Dance.

>>29804545
http://pastebin.com/d5Hed1cw

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What about him?
Base form changes? Moveset? Existing move pool got buffed?

>>29806780
Fuck yeah, that's what I like to hear. I might just get my viable 3-headed monstrosity!

>>29806725
Right here, buddy
>>29806670
And if I say that liking Phione is dumb because it's a baby Manaphy, that doesn't mean that I like Manaphy.

>>29806475
>Extra coverage Liligant
>Gen 7 singles meta is probally the trick meta
N I C E

I

C

E

>>29806795
Fell Stinger is 50 power now, so it can knock something out for a quick +2

>>29806880
Wording says drastically now, it's +3

>>29802480
>only get one chance to use it without switching
Except it's an actual really huge payoff since it practically double/triples Pory-Z's offensive ability due to it's abilities and depending on how you setup its moves, with little next to no defensive weaknesses AND makes it bulky as fuck at the same time.

That is the kind of Ace in the hole that it is worth building an entire team around just to clear the way for it to setup. You have gimmicks and then you have win conditions, Pory-Z is the latter.

>>29803209
Parabolic Charge was buffed to 65 power and that is about it.

>>29804564
If you're a shit player anything is a shitmon.

Parasect has always famously been a gimmickmon more than anything because it's very good at the things it can do. Leech Life was a good buff since it's main STAB was always X-Scissor anyway.

>>29806610
Don't be stupid.

130BP is Overheat without a s.atk drop and the ability to survive a Water/Ground/Rock move if you came short of the kill, it's a fucking amazing buff.

>>29804901
That about sums up most of this thread.

>>29806670
Charizard doesn't have Eruption

>>29806973
>Typhlosion loses STAB after Burn Up
>best attacking options then are Return (lol 84 attack) and on special side ???
It's shit

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>>29801974
MUST BE NICE TO GET SOMETHING!

Did anything happen with my dude Tentacruel?

>>29802287
get cucked, geewunner

>>29807059
no, sorry anon

>>29804795
Don't forget Exeggutor, set up TR and the sun with your Torkoal/Zard Y and it's taking lives.

What does the new ability for Beartic do?

He's in my top 5 and he also got even more attack for some reason. Im happy as hell.

>>29807147
Swift Swim but for Hail which is nice because Alolan Ninetales (hidden ability) and Vanilluxe now get Snow Warning

>>29807147
double speed in hail

>>29801974
i don't know. Does M-Gallade still have Inner Focus?

>>29807167
Yeah but running more than one ice mon on your team seems risky at best.

Did Heracross and Marowak get anything good?

>>29807167
>>29807180
Ah that's cool. Still prefer swift swim though.

>>29807248
Nope. Marowak's new form is better but still shit.

>>29806880
Erect.

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Holy shit, a Special Attack +20 AND a +20 in speed!? Masquerain is still frail but with this and one quiver dance he'll kick ass. My bro's hydropump is gonna sting a bit more now!

>>29807059
I've heard he gets regenerator if I'm not mistaken

>>29802320
Technically all mons got a Z-move. What does Z-splash do?

>>29807571
+3 attack

Did my friend Jiggly/Wiggly Puff/Tuff get anything new?

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He probably got nothing and still sits in the shadows of every other regional bird.

If he did, please tell me.

>>29807438
I love how everyone complained about Masquerain since 2002 and finally Gamefreak said, "ALRIGHT FINE, FUCK YOU GUYS. YOU WANT BUG/WATER? HERE, HERE'S TWO NEW ONE AND WE'LL BUFF THE SHIT OUT OF THE OLD ONE THAT ISN'T ACTUALLY ONE. HAPPY?!"

Yes. Yes I am.

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did the regis get anything?

>>29806871
wait, does lilligant finally get some coverage?

on a side note, does haxorus get something too? maybe, dare I say, a speed buff?

>>29807608
>>29807666
>>29807611
https://daily.pokecommunity.com/2016/11/08/pokemon-sun-and-moon-is-leaked-datamined/

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Thought game freak forgot about it. But gave it a buff in both its defence stats.

Still shit doe

>>29807703
Everyone needs to stop asking and just look for themselves...

>>29807659
So much bug pandering in this gen

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>Got two new moves
>Still shit
At least I get Tri Attack for single player

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>no one mentions Swellow
Here's Swellow

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>>29806477
FUCK tell me you're joking, Lilligant is my bro.
also what version is she in? I thought pic related were the only exclusive pokemon

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>>29801974
>no info on hydreigon

Feeling indifferent. So I take it next gen?

Anything about my bro Tyranitar?

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>+10 Attack

T-thank you Gamefreak

>>29807806
>what version is she in?

moon

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Did something happen to Sylveon ?

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feeling pretty good

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>>29807491
>Regenerator Tentacruel

HOW THE FUCK TO YOU EVOLVE CHARJABUG INTO VIKAVOLT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>29807859
Good thing it's not true

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Not bad. Not bad at all.

>>29807837
fuck yea

>>29804445
Really?
What move did he get?

>>29807861
Calm down and give it an electric move.

>>29801974
Where can I see all of these buffs?

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>Power Trip
>Stomping Tantrum
Mite b kool, I guess
Maybe run 252 speed 252 attack with Protect and Stomping Tantrum for funsies

>>29807936
Power Trip. It's a Physical Dark Stored Power.

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>>29801974
My spiderbro became a box legend.

>>29807975
>>29807703
Holy shit

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Imma be honest. Umbreon has always been my buddy, and he always will be, but when I saw this little guy, I had to have him. As far as I can tell, he's doing just fine on his own lol

>>29807729
No tail glow either

>>29807703
the generation of slow starters

>>29806472

>Typeless

How the fucking hell that works?

>>29808569
It doesn't, it hasn't been a thing for 2 generations.

>>29808167
but its not really signature since pangoro and another mon get it too

>>29807973
Except that's wrong you twat. You'll most like have spark before you even evolve into charjabug, so it's definitely not an electric move that evolves it.

>Noctowl
>+10 sp.atk
>learns moonblast

I mean, that +10 would have been better in just about every other stat barring attack.

But I guess the fact that GF even acknowledged its existence is a pleasant surprise.

+10 Sp.Def would have made me happier.

>>29808847
isnt it the same evolution method as evolving nosepass

>>29803288
didn't the new fire move remove the Fire type after its use? so that mean arcanine become normal for a extreme speed stab?

>>29809023
That's what I've been assuming,.but I haven't made it far enough to find out.

>>29807848
It actually is safe where it is in the meta just because it has access to calm mind and an -ate ability and primarina doesn't.

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Just give him QuiverDance! PLEASE!

I want people to fucking fear him!

Did Koffing get anything?

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>increase to attack
>leech life got buffed

I'm happy.

>>29804423
Fuck me. I know why they would do it, but I'm still pissed.

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>>29801974
>Tfw priority rock move is now a thing
>Rampardos still got nothing

>>29802077

Solrock and Lunatone also got Flare Blitz/Power Gem

>>29809456
Apparently his line did
>>29802099

>>29809562
Why?

Is it because the fucking TGC doubles?

>>29809726
That's ariados?

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>that leech life buff

>>29801974

Unhapply, Ninjask is still shit.

>>29807817
>buffing an OU mon
Stop your search

Anything for the following bros?
Nidoking
Tyrantrum
Jolteon
Roserade
Hawlucha
Heard Crobat got Merciless.

>>29808828
Signature moves aren't necessarily exclusive.

>>29804603
Indifferent, nothing learns Leech Life.

>>29807167
It's shit considering how good and common Rock Slide is in doubles.
Hail will never be decent.

>>29807755
It's not pandering, it's balancing.

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>>29810119
It's a TM now tho

>>29810035
Flying Press was buffed to 100 BP.

>>29810035
They all learn Fusion Bolt now

>>29806610
>>29806440
What is burn up famalama?

>>29810345
A move

>>29810345
>a special Fire-type move with 130 Base Power and 100% accuracy. After using this move, the user will lose its Fire typing. Unknown what replaces the Fire typing if the user is only a Fire-type.

>>29810345
130 power attack where a fire type "burns itself out", meaning it changes its type from fire to normal

>spoonfeeding

>>29804871
OU is an exaggeration. Even with that +20 hp, it's still ohkod by a modest LO topkek Thunder.

252+ SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Thunder vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mantine in Electric Terrain: 676-801 (180.7 - 214.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>29810406
>>29810345
I feel like this is a shitty translation, "Burn Out" probably would have been the better title

>>29804871
>OU
Let's not get carried away now.

>>29802524
Hey man at least you have a good taste in bros.
+1 for cacturne and gourgeist here

>>29802798
>2 priority attacks
sucker punch and...?

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>only Mega that can use Z moves
>one of few Pokemon with access to Z move that boosts all stats by 1
>one of few Pokemon with access to 220 BP Z V-Create, stronger than signature Z moves

F U G
U
G

>>29810445
It's true that Mantine doesn't hava a chance of being OU, but its electric weakness has nothing to do with it.

>>29810532

shadow sneak.

>>29810558
oh thanks

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Work Up is some real good shit, especially for mixed EQ sets. Finally a reliable way to boost SpA.

Also smogonburd's nerf means its biggest threat got removed.

>>29810445
You're trying too hard to sound smart

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>>29810625
>Work Up is some real good shit

>>29810649
+1 is better than +none, hombre

>>29801974
>buffed the fuck out
>+10 on Sp. Def
>meanwhile Masquerain gets +40 distributed wisely

>>29810649
You know Dragon/Quiver Dance only give +1 offense too, right? Sceptile's advantage is it doesn't need a speed boost.

>>29810625
>>29810669
I'm a Sceptilefag and I know that's absolutely false.

>>29807824
I feel you. It's not much, but at least it's something. +10 could make a difference when it counts. I was hoping for an alolan form too, like a boa. Or some kind of tropical viper.

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Anything for man's best friend?
(Or pyroar?)

>>29810669
>>29810683
The problem is that a frail pokemon like Sceptile would never be able to pull it off. He would never be able to use any set-up move except for Substitute.

>>29810708
Just like Pidgeot never gets to use it, right? Or how Weavile can never use Swords Dance.

Like every offensive Pokemon it can use it when it forces a switch.

>>29810698

statwise, no.

Maybe some new moves though (probably not)

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>>29801974
>Lucario
>Talonflame meta is dead
Hel-LO everyone! Remember how I was relevant until the second the first goddamn Gale Wings mon was injected?

>Dragon Dance Flygon

It took like 15 years for this poor motherfucker to get some love but it's finally here. Now it surely CAN'T be the worst dragon. Sand Stream Gigalith is neat too.

>>29810708
That's bullshit. Just force out a switch. Mega Sceptile does have the power to do that, you know.

>>29810746
T_T
I cri errytime!

>>29802348
>mfw I've been sweeping teams with Porygon Z these last couple of months that I go and olay some online every now and then

FUCK, Now I'll need to decide, Z move or Normal Gem+ tri attack opening Nuke

I don't even know if Hoothoot is in Alola. He probably didn't get any love and is overshadowed by Rowlett.

Actually do we know if there are day/night exclusive catches?

>>29811463
Hoothoot got Moonblast. Not even joking.

>>29810298
Is that enough to run it over HJK?

>>29811571
Nope.

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d-does anyone know if Houndoom got anything? ;_;

Does it get Burn up like Arcanine?

Or does anyone even just know what the dex entries say for it?

>>29810749
It wasnt really talonflame
Lucario just suffered from power creep and his speed tier is just bad
If it was talonflames fault you would see him in BL and not UU

He got laser Focus though
Only mewtwo marshadow and a UB get it

Gonna need the status on my bros here, bear with me but I'm trying to avoid more spoilers

Meloetta
Lilligant
Carracosta
Lopunny (MEGA)
Persian
Bisharp
Ninetails (and how is Alola form)
Jellicent
Barviary
Mismagius
Accelgor
Escavalier
Actually bugs in general
Frosslass
Glaceon

>>29811616
Nah Houndoom got shit. Actually all Pokemon that got megas, except the Starters, got shit.

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>>29801974
>See marshadow z move
>He becomes my new bro
>Have 3 bros and 1 sis now
what do

pic unrelated

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>>29811657
Persian got a new face, famalam

Did Ledian get a buff?

>>29811683
I figured that would be the case ;_________;

>>29811657
Mismagius has Mystical Fire (already did in ORAS), which was buffed from 65 to 75 BP.
Accelgor has Water Shuriken (already did in ORAS), which is special instead of physical now. This is good since Accelgor is typically a special attacker.
Leech Life was buffed to 80 BP. Not a lot of Bug mons get it though, just basically the same ones that already did.
Froslass and Glaceon both got Aurora Veil, a new move that only works in Hail and basically sets up a simultaneous Reflect and Light Screen. And Froslass got Will-O-Wisp, too.

>>29811733
Yes, it got Air Slash.
That's it.

>>29811766
What the fuck? Why didn't it get a BST boost.

Sorry for the emote, but :(
My bro gets cucked everytime.

>Machamp
nerfed. NG+DP being its only real niche is affected by confusion nerf.

>Conkeldurr
nothing

I guess I should be thankful Talonflame was nerfed but even that is offset by the fact that there are so many more fairies and even competition from other fighting types that essentially, not getting a boost means you become left behind

>>29803290
>>29802274

Holy shit you fags and your speed.

>>29811833
>confusion nerf
Explain please

>>29811766
>>29811733
Even its new pokemon entry mocks ledian. I think that just cements that it will always be a joke to gamefreak

>>29811837
to be fair
with those kind of defensive stats
if you don't go FAST you don't go at all

>>29811880
You now hit yourself in confusion only 33% of the time rather than 50%.

Nothing much to regular Raticate, right?

What about Klinklang?

>>29802255
What happened?

>>29812108
It got a new move, Gear Up.

"The user engages its gears to raise the Attack and Sp. Atk stats of ally Pokémon with the Plus or Minus Ability."
Steel
Status
20 PP
User's team
+1 Attack/+1 Special Attack for the target

That's it.

>>29811837
Speed is like the most important stat in the game, anon.

>Bibarel got buffed again
Jesus Christ can't keep the beaver down

I'm perfectly accepting of dodrios +10 to speed and learning Jump Kick. Unfortunately I think there are still other non legendary Pokemon that can do everything he can but better. Plus, an entire gen full of Pokemon slower than him has to count as some kind of indirect buff right?

>>29804603
psyched, specially cause its a TM now, dont know who will all be able to learn it yet however.

>>29812644
only the same mons that already did, plus some new mons.
that's it.
pinsir and heracross are still shit without mega stone.

>>29806726
>Falsawood
i want this so badly now.

>>29802842
HUUUUUUUUGE

>>29812642
Dude Dodrio is faster than Staraptor now. And it gets the same coverage, except without the annoying defense down thing Close Combat has. It's fucking godly.

Porygon2 got fuckt im mad

>>29812728
Why do you say that? Z-move Conversion is fucking godly m8.

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Anything for this qt? At all? Not even the pokedex entry made Leafeon look better at fighting

Still gonna use it in competitive no matter what though

h....how's Spinda doing guys....? Any changes on him?

>Typhlosion
From what I can tell, all he got was Burn Up, I guess?

Maybe next gen, old friend Oh who am I kidding

>>29812771
Nah Spinda is the same. It still has that Contrary Superpower tho.

>>29812771
Oh wait it got a new move, Spotlight. Basically a Doubles move.

>>29812848
Yay some love at least<3

>>29812327
Why do they keep shilling plus and minus strats
Does anyone even use that shit

>>29811741
>Not a lot of Bug mons get it though, just basically the same ones that already did.
It's a TM though, so do we really know who can learn it and who can't?

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>it's still shit but less shit
I'll take it

>>29813031
Yup, we do.
https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/learnsets.txt --> use ctrl+f "leech life"
And it's the same mons that already did learn it, plus new mons and Alolan Sandshrew.
What a fucking waste. If they had given it at least to Durant...

>>29813222
80 HP, 135 Sp.Def, 105 Speed, Dual Screens, and Recover is pretty nice.

>>29813300
Plus Rapid Spin and Freeze-Dry

>>29813329
Don't forget genderless Attract.

>>29813223
Why even make it a TM if so few are going to learn it that way?

>>29813223
Yea the distribution is terrible. Golisopod is probably the best user honestly.

Fell stinger also has shit distribution and it also got buffed. Only Mega Bee is really gonna get use out of it.

>>29810445
>Pokémon has a weakness
What a surprise. Meanwhile Topkek is probably frail as shit and will get OHKOd by earthquake. To RU it goes I guess

>>29813465
We are talking about the same company that had Softboiled as a TM in the 1st gen

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Surely I must have been buffed!

>>29813588
Coil

>>29813588
Coil

>>29806725
>accuse someone of something
>PROVE IM WRONG
Burden of proof is on you, Reddit.

>>29807167
The fuckin iceshrew better get this ability also

Is there any way to learn Dragon Ascent in Sun and Moon?

>>29802524
>Gourgeist
Well...uh...Z-Trick or Treat? Decidueye and Dhelmise both existing kinda makes Grass/Ghost a rather crowded typing now.

Would've been cool if Gourgeist got a Fire-type version of Steelworker, too.

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He'll be good, some day.

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Nothing

>>29813770
It does actually

>>29813797
There's a move tutor in the 4th island's dock town, inside the Pokemon Center

>>29813885
https://youtu.be/tfslY_AvhLw

>>29813837
Leech Life got buffed.

>>29813859
It got Burn Up, a new move.

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WE MADE IT MY DUDES

Top 3 favorite Pokemon are Mantine, Raichu and Volcarona. 2 out of 3 getting some love isn't bad at all.

>>29814002
Mantine +20 bst and roost, Raichu got an alolan form, and Volcarona was already really good.

>>29814113
Volcarona technically gets an indirect buff in Talonflame's Gale Wings nerf.

Is there a list as to what pokemon got changed?

>>29807703
>https://daily.pokecommunity.com/2016/11/08/pokemon-sun-and-moon-is-leaked-datamined/

Why is everything so fucking slow?

>>29814139
Leech life would have been a nice addition if it was a special attack. Pretty sure it still prefers Giga Drain because of that even without the stab.

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How's my boy Gliscor? Don't tell me they fucked my boy up.

>>29814199
Wasn't touched. Got Brutal Swing TM.

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Did my guy get buffed?

>>29806464
His literal only purpose in life is to explode.

>>29814249
No, but he's still the best DDancer around. Kommo-o is weaksauce.

>>29814286
Dammit. I transferred him from gen IV. Is there anything like an ability capsule for HAs?

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He wasn't touched from what I've seen right?

>>29814199
Toxapex crits it for being poisoned.

>>29813837
Z Aromatherapy is pretty boss plus boosted Leech Life. Dry Skin then gives it three sources of self recovery. Not bad for bug cleric

>>29814431
What's Z therapy do?

>>29808942
GIve him Sp. Def then.

>>29814462
Heals user to full plus full status heal for part.

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>>29801974
Potentially fucked but I can't get a straight answer

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unlikely, but, anything?

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>>29814619
or what about the big boss

Why is P2 fucked again? Did they remove eviolite?

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In terms of bros, my life is absolute fucking suffering right now. The one niche Quagsire had is gone, and now the poor guy is a shitmon. I'll still always love him though.

>>29814708
Forgot to add, congratulations to the Mantine fans out there, your buddy deserved it.

>girafarig
>tyrantrum
>lapras
>ninetales
>zebstrika
>nidoking
>torterra


Any of these get changes? Other than the new ninetales form.

>>29810445
and this matters why?

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I guess Leech Life helps it deal with psychic types sorta, but I think roost is still the better option.