>65 base speed JUST FUCK ME UP And I was gonna pick him too...

two posts until owlfag shows up and tries to convince people that its better than primarina and incineroar with retard logic

>>29800353
70. Dont pick for stats faggot.

>>29800353
70. Incineroar has 60.
Also, does it matter with everything being SLOW this gen ?

>>29800367
>Decidueye has 70 base Speed, not 65
>It's still faster than the other two
>Picking a starter for stats is dumb in the first place and defeats the purpose, just use what you think looks fun to use
>No one fucking cares what you use for the single player
I don't see how this is retard logic. Quit looking for things to be mad about and starting shit.

>>29800393
It'll be extra painful next year then (assuming no significant balance patch): no one will use 98% of gen7 pokemon

>>29800353
70 Speed, at least it has Sucker Punch coming from 107 Attack (which is 4 points higher than Greninja's 103 Sp. Attack)

>>29800481
>the way you play is wrong

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Nigga they all slow.
Just pick the one you want for a change.

>>29800487
Sucker Punch got nerfed to 70 BP, and no STAB.

Might as well use Shadow Sneak.

>>29800542
Wow priority really got fucked this gen

>>29800507
Are you saying that there is any other way to play Pokemon other than doing what you want to do with the permitted options and having fun with it, in any manner of speaking?

>>29800487
...

>>29800570
Eat my ass, Red.

70 isn't so bad in Alola. I mean, if everything's slow, nothing is.

>>29800581
Are you insulting him or asking for a sexual favour?

>>29800603
Yes.

>>29800592
This would be true if alola mons were the majority, but they're not even the majority in their own region.

>>29800507
Shut the fuck up
There's no wrong way to play Pokemon.

>>29800566
yeah it's to not pick the owl and instead commit suicide

>>29800353
I mean ... 70 is above the average speed state in gen 7, which is around 63

>>29800562

That seems to be the new meta they want to push, but they did this like retards.

How fast is lewd seal?

I noticed my owl is slower than like half the pokemon I fight despite it being 10+ levels over them, which was pretty weird.

>>29800765
60

>>29800562
not smogon bird tho

>>29800353
Decent bulk, SD+ two priority moves (one stab), Baton Pass and a trapping move (not sure about trap pass mechanics these days) isn't too bad.
I haven't played much meta since gen 4, and pretty much skipped last gen's, but it could probably find some use in UU.

>>29800796
?
it suffered the most

>>29800353
>Sticky Web
>Speed Swap
>Trick Room
I wish people would stop bitching about this already. Use the slow speed to your fucking advantage now that priority is kill. Stall has literally been a thing for 6 generations and they don't focus on speed at all. Get gud and stop complaining

>>29800353
>not trying to win with pokemon you like
>not bringing out his strong point

>>29800592
>Everybody will be using Alola Pokemon in competitive

Kek.

>>29800487
Like that means anything. Greninja's SpA is meh without Protean.

>>29800838
why? because priority rock? yeah no

>>29800367
But DEcidueye is better than Incineroar. Incineroar is a poor man's Arcanine.

COmpetitively speaking Primarina is simply an inferior Sylveon. At least Decidueye has a niche with Spirit Shackle

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Jolly nature and 252 in Attack and Speed right?

>>29801219
>he doesn't know

>>29801219
>He doesn't know

Oh wow

>>29801219
Gale Wings only works at full health now

>>29801219
nobody tell him, let him find out for himself

>>29801219
>not knowing
Bravest Bird is dead anon, nerfed to h*ck and back.

>>29801278
And Decidueye is just 10 faster than Dhelmise, which surpasses it on almost everything else.

>>29801344
You mean 30 faster.

>>29800858
is it worth using sticky web in competitive
I mean by the time you use it you may already be fucked by wasting a turn on it

>>29800907
Well there are also some Kanto mons allowed
Did not see the full list

>>29801278
If that's you argument then Incineroar also has a niche in Darkest Lariat and Throat Chop

>>29801278
Decidueye is poor man's Gourgeist-Average

>>29800353
Good nature and movesets for this fucker?

>>29800542
This is not true. Sucker punch is still 85.

>>29801409
It is?
My mistake then.
Still gonna go for the Wailord smasher.
My point was that all the starters are all "Poor man's X"

>>29801650
It was never 85
It was 80
Now it is 70

Still the best Alola starter.

>>29801306
>>29801313
>>29801327
>>29801328
HUE
anon must be crying in a corner right now
Gale Wings now only works if health is at 100%
Gengar lost Levitate
Bunch of moves got nerfed
Megamom now just hits 1.25x I'm ok with this
Dark Void is now just 50% accuraccy and Smeargle can't use it (only works if used by Darkrai)
Most mons on Gen 7 are slow as fuck

What the fuck is GF planning for competitive?

Also, Leech Life went from 20 to 80, those Zubats will hit HARD.

>>29801577
Darkest Lariat is pretty much useless because no one boosts defense ever except for BP chain teams. Those are however too rare to be really relevant

Throat Chop is nice but the most relevant voice-moves users are Mega Gardevoir and Sylveon, and why the fuck would Incineroar ever stay in front of them?

>>29801737
BP chains can just pass to Sylveon against Darkest Lariat anyways.

Weavile gets Throat Chop too and it's a way better mon.

>>29800960
Greninja can have any STAB it wants with Protean, but it still retaining its 103 SpA and without a Life Orb it can't KO many Pokémon.

Decidueye might not have STAB Sucker Punch but with Life Orb it is stronger than it, but its low Speed hurts it.

>>29801725
>gengar lost levitate
??

>>29801725
leech life got to 80? oh god

>>29801817
The STAB is a huge difference. Not to mention that Decidueye's STAB attacks are kind of low in power. Sure, Dark Pulse and Ice Beam aren't the heaviest hitting, but it gets Gunk Shot and Hydro Pump which are much stronger.

>>29801832
Yep.
Nerfed.

>>29801832
Yup. The ghost is kill

>>29801873
>>29801879
what the fuck?
what does it have now?

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>>29801866
>>29801725
WHAT? I kek'd out loud

>>29800592
Vanilluxe will fuck you up.
That's how slow you are.

>>29801278
Arcanine doesn't have Fake Out, or STAB Snarl.

>>29801873
>>29801879
>>29801885
what does it have?
WHAT DOES IT HAVE?

>>29801896
Leech life at 80 + Boosted quiver dance Rimbombee = GG

>>29801885
I'm so, so sorry.
Cursed Body

>>29801956
cursed body

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>>29801978
>>29801970
FOR
WHAT
FUCKING
REASON

GF developers are fags, that's the reason

>>29802019
They don't understand how their own game works anymore, this entire gen is proof of it.

>>29801978
>>29801970
>>29801873
>>29801879
>>29801832
>>29801725
rip king of ou
6 generations straight

>>29801961
quiver dance is for special attacks

>>29801725
I saw somewhere that Quag got nerfed but I dont know the specifics. How bad is it?

>>29802144
oh yeah right

>>29801879
Honestly, Gengar isn't that fucked. Gengar got fucked, yes, but not completely and utterly fucked. Gengar will still be OU, just not as strong as he used to be. At least Gengar can pull off some terrain shenanigans.

>>29802181
Unaware only works when the pokemon that has it is attacking.

>>29802297
>tfw have to breed and train a magic guard Clefable now because unaware got useless

>>29800353
I think I'll pick the Owl, has interesting typing and I like the design of the whole line.

SuMo looks like it's gonna be pretty easy, so picking the shitmon as a starter seems like a boon to me, since I won't be able to rely on it to steam roll everything and I'll have to experiment with different mons.

Unaware isn't useless. It's just only good on offensive Pokemon.

They'll probably start putting it on more offensive Pokemon.

>>29802873
>Nerf Unaware to make it only useful to offensive Pokemon
>Give it to Pyukumuku, who can't learn any attacks
Is Pyukumuku the most cucked Pokemon of the Alola region? His Innards Out gimmick is useless with his stats.

>>29802003
IT GOT CURSED!

>>29803144
You know Wobbuffet before Shadow Tag? It's a bit like that. At least it learns Taunt I guess.

Can't we all just agree that they're all pretty terrible?

At least the Unova starters were redeemable with their HA, except for Samurott.

>>29800663
Does this value include non fully evolved mons? If so it's pointless to mention.

>>29803348
Emboar is still pretty bad. Like Primarina and Incineroar are at least better than those two. Maybe Decidueye too.

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as an owlfag im actually more disappointed in incineroar
i expect rowlet to be dogshit from day one,i was prepared for that.
but a fire/dark sweeper with fighting type coverage would have been monstrous if they didn't give it broken legs

they really dropped the ball on a lot of these new mons which is so bizarre because they made some real clever good changes to oldermons.
its like they are bipolar and spend one week fixing shit and the next week shitting all over everything

Incineroar will be good in VGC because of its movepool and ability.
Decidueye will habe niche usage in OU with either Shackles + SD/NP + Baton Pass or Defog / Roost
Primarina will be shit at every level of high tier competitive because of bad HP and Defense. It might land mid to low UU if its lucky

>>29803493
Yeah I don't see any of them being higher than UU. At all. Pretty sure it'll be Primarina > Incineroar > Decidueye. But none of them are good.

Where can I view the stats?

>>29803755

Kaphotics on youtube.

>>29802334
Don't worry m8,iv training got nerfed too

>>29803493
Are there any other Intimidate users in alola dex?

>>29804416
Arcanine
Tauros
Gyarados
Granbull
Masquerain
Salamence
Stoutland
Krookodile

>>29800353
Isn't that slow as fuck?

>too slow to outspeed most threats
>too fast to make use of trick room
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME