>10/10 characters >10/10 story >immersive and detailed

>>29781448
>post-game is as big as any other first version
What is the post-game exactly? Elite Four?

>>29781448
>toxic
Go back to tumblr

What does the post the consist of?

>>29781457
Ay, and Ultra Beast huntings

*post game

>>29781479
rip smogonfags need to wait till postgame to have something to enjoy

>>29781448
I want to shower that old hag with my semen, if you know what I mean, hehehe.

yeah so much lategame content... right

>>29781448
Honestly, for the anniversary games they're really fucking underwhelming

>>29781496
Elaborate

>>29781448
>toxic

Kill yourself

So the post game is just catching ultra beasts? Isn't that worse than x and y's post game :/

>>29781479
Including Gym Leaders or something like that or do you just go straight to the Eltie Four?

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>>29781448
>immersive and detailed region
>good variety of pokemon

>>29781457
Elite 4 is main game

Post game is just legends/Ubs catching, Battle Tree and Looker

Poor for 20th annivesary game

I think main part is indeed very good but the post game might be even worse than ORAS so...

>10/10 characters
>10/10 story

have pokemon fans ever played any other game in their lives

how about watched a show, movie, consumed any sort of media that isn't pokemon

>>29781538
Don't lie to yourself, your lifespan grows ever shorter every time you come here.

Why is it whenever people talk about postgame they always ignore the whole completing the Pokedex thing? Like you know, the main point of the series? That alone gives Pokemon games more to do after the main adventure than 90% of other games.

>>29781600
Always assume they mean "by pokemon standards"

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>>29781448
>toxic

Spotted the Tumblrina/Redditor.

Fuck off

>>29781448
>you will never live in another dimension where Gen 6 had the shitty dex with Alola forms but Gen 7 introduces Mega Evolutions and Sylveon and friends to make up for it.

>>29781448
I can't play because no CFW and shitty PC, how many PC boxes does it have?

>10/10 characters
Maybe by mainline Pokemon standards.
>10/10 story
It's doing retarded evil team and save the world shit instead of focusing on the adventure and world itself yet again, so it's shit.
>immersive and detailed region
I'm not a fan of the tropical angle.
>good variety of Pokemon
Pales to BW2's regional dex or the post-Cave of Origin ORAS dex in quality and XY's in quantity.
>10/10 soundtrack
Not crazy about it. Got a great VS Trainer theme though.
>post-game is as big as any other first version
So post-game's shit, got it.

>>29781523
Reminder DP was the 10th Anniversary game.

>>29781565
That's actually better than XY, assuming there's some actual dungeons for the UB's and Tapus. XY only had Maison, Looker Bureau, and one dungeon for a legend.

>>29781624
Your lifespan is constantly growing shorter no matter what you do.

>>29781634
It's shit they've done before, they want something new. It's like why they complain about Battle Tree basically being Maison with a few cameos.

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>>29781634
Cause that shit's the same in every game

For Post-Game, we need Sinnoh's Battle Island at the very least so there's something to do after seeing the credits. Is that really too much to ask for?

>the entire story is just Lillie's family drama guest starring PT and all the characters other than Lillie, Gladion and Lusamine are irrelevant
WEW LAD

>>29781448
I'm sorry you let GF cum on your eyes so much that you can't see what these games really are. Now it is arguable whether it's a bland game or straight up shit, but it is by no means perfect or nearly as good as you make it out to be.

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>>29781634
"post game" is a completely arbitrary distinction that so many players, especially on /vp/, get extremely hung up on.

In any pokemon game, you have dexes to complete, items to find, teams to breed, minigames and side activities like Battle Tower to participate in, as well as the whole online aspect. There has always been a lot of stuff to do, but somehow, the fact that many of this content is available even before you finish the main story makes it not count.

In any other game, people would have been happy if there were dozens of hours worth of side activities to spend your time on even before you beat the games, but apparently pokefags are too good for that.

QUESTION because i havent seen people talking about it

What about Pokemon beyond Alola regional dex? Is there a way to find other mons in the post game?

>>29781741
>Finding other mons in the post-game

VGC is forcing Alolan-only mons, Game Freak is gonna stop balancing the meta over the entire national dex and only for regional dexes. Only way you're getting new Pokemon is transferring from Gen VI

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>>29781731
Fixed that for you, captain.

>>29781795
So there's literally nothing beyond Alola dex?

The rest so 500 mons are via bank (yes i know bank is avaible in 2017)?

Thats so stupid

>>29781813
Name one pokemon game where this has been the case.

>>29781905
Emerald, Platinum, GSC/HGSS, Black2White2

>>29781905
Every start of a generation, Blue, Yellow, Crystal, and ORAS fit the top. FRLG, Emerald, Platinum, HGSS, BW2 fit the bottom.

>>29781854
There's probably going to be a select few in a post-game area that has wild shit not available in the regional dex, but until otherwise we're stuck with what they gave us I feel

Megas aren't even available during the main game, there's almost no chance for them being brought back before Pokebank

>>29781448
>10/10 characters
gotta agree with that

>10/10 story
8/10 at best

>immersive and detailed region
yes.

>good variety of pokemon
fucking kek, it's not even 90, half of them consist of just three stage evolution lines so it's not that many either

>10/10 soundtrack
seriously what
the stuff we hear in the trailers ranged from meh to good, the champion battle theme doesn't sound like a champion battle theme but more like something that should play on the title screen, Red's theme sounds like it could belong to literally any minor character in the game and most of the themes sound really repetitive
but hey, that's just my personal autism

>post-game is as big as any other first version
do I have to remind you that RBY and XY had next to no postgame at all, RSE and DPP postgame was a little disappointing and only GSC and BW had an okay to great postgame? Which postgame are you talking about?

>>29781925
What meaningful stuff was there to do in Emerald?

>>29781925
>GSC
bait

>>29781680

>this game is bad because i don't like it!

>>29781966
>champion theme of the 20th anniversary game is a remix of the main theme of the series

>>29782023
When did I say the game was bad? Just some parts of it are. Even the best Pokemon games have shit parts.

Lillie and Gladion are the best written NPCs since N, even if they kinda shove Lillie in your face a bit too much.

>gamefreak shills are this desperate

the game is a disaster

>>29781731
The Pokemon main games are all comparable in length though

>>29781538
Thank you for ilustrating their point,

>>29782195
Story-length wise? Yeah.

Counting things like completing dexes and achieving the highest ranks in facilities and minigames? No. Games like the OG Ruby and Sapphire are notoriously bad in this regard.

Good to see some other positive anons.

>inb4 shill
Optimism and appreciation =/= shilling

There's no "toxic hivemind"
Go look for a thread with a strawpoll in the OP, and you'll see that the majority likes it. Vocal minorities and shitposters are really loud.
It's not the best game ever, but it's a lot better than XY, DP, RS, RBY. Comparable to BW.
Remember that even great games with tons of content get shitposted on by butthurt Hoennbabies, like HGSS and BW2

>>29781506
>>29781490
>Who cares about the actual game
>What comes after

I'll never understand this. Get through, and enjoy, the game first. It's like a child asking what dessert consists of before they even enjoy dinner

>>29781448
I've heard people saying that the game is only 15 hours or so long is this true?

I've also heard the game world is pretty small, with only the four islands (which aren't very big at all).

Not being a nay sayer, but I'd really like clarification for these points?

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>>29782339
Your food metaphor doesn't apply when literally every Pokemon game up until SM were the exact fucking same shit

As far as everyone's concerned, it's how long you'll be playing the game after you finish. If the game is nothing but story without reason to keep going, that makes the game less replayable because you already know what happens

>>29781467
But /vp/ is literally tumblr. This is a safe space for bitch ass gamefreak apologists.

>>29782347
>'ve heard people saying that the game is only 15 hours or so long is this true?

Its longer than that


>I've also heard the game world is pretty small, with only the four islands (which aren't very big at all).

Thats true, there's only 4 islands and they're not that big

>>29782383
Not being a dick, but clarification was my main point.

How much longer than 15 hours is it?

How long can the game be if the four islands are small?

>>29781795
This game just keeps getting shitter.

>>29782306
that's exactly the point of the thread though, the board is flooded with shitposters trying to find the next ebin meme but lets remind anons visiting that the games are actually good

>>29781448
Its biggest weakness is post-game.
But that's too be expected, its an entry title. Probably the most solid beginning to a main game I've played. Will see if this keeps up or if it shits itself later.

>>29781925
Now name one that is the first entry to a generation.

>>29781971
You're fucking kidding right?
>Battle Frontier
>Gym Leader rematches
>Battle Steven
>Find and battle Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza

>>29782418
Its hard to say because each playthrough is different depends on what you'll do etc but 20+ is realistic imo

>>29781680
Agreed with almost everything except the the soundtrack is pretty good

>>29782457
GS

>>29782438
look, the post game shenanigans need to stop, if ORAS had nothing compared to Platinum/HGSS/BW2 no game is going in that direction again. I bet they aren't going even to release other GEN VII games, but jump directly to VIII in 2018, thus making this generation the only where the majority of the dex is unavailable without transfer

>>29782438
>But that's too be expected, its an entry title.

Well no, we have no second entries anymore, thats all there is to it. There wont be more.

GF couldnt deliver proper post game to the hyped annivesary game and after a long break. That says all

im playing the SuMo demo right now on my n3dsxl. is it supposed to run like shit?
i mean it lags a lot and slows down a lot.
ive tried both enabling and disabling the l2 clock in the luma settings but neither make a difference.

>>29782306
>shitposted on by butthurt Hoennbabies, like HGSS and BW2
While Hoenn is objectively better than those two, that isn't why people shit on them. Gen 5 is the worst selling main series Pokemon gen and HGSS was outsold by ORAS even though they (Gen 5 and HGSS) were both on the most successful handheld. Gen 5 and HGSS are both overrated as shit, and the main reason people on here worship them is because they go against the grain.

>>29782508
Not that I know of. It runs perfectly fine on my N3DSXL.

>>29782457
This fucking mentality is cancer

>The first games are always shit!
Why not make good first games so they don't have to remake them to make them better? Better yet, XY didn't even have good remakes. ORAS aren't fantastic either

So we went an entire generation eating shit and they're gonna do it again?

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>>29781448
Hi.

>>29782530
>sales are a measurement of quality
Thanks for confirming my gen 1 is the GOAT, nugenner.

>>29782530
HGSS and GEN V weren't so successful because at the point they came out, the NDS was already emulable easily pretty much by everyone. That hurt sales considerably. Meanwhile GEN VI has less competition in general, because there are far less as successful game as pokemon on the 3DS, plus is on the 3DS, which is still not easy to hack, not for the general audience at least.
Plus the sales logic is invalid by your point of view because Sun and Moon will probably end up selling more than any other generation after 2.

>>29782530
>sales = better game

Don't choke on that autism, anon

Wtf man the game is up since 24 hours and people already beat it

>>29782457
Where's Pokemon Z?
Or Pokemon X2 Y2?

Oh right, they don't exist.

So stop with >L-LOL JUST WAIT FOR POKEMON EARTH OR S2 M2!!!!

>>29782458
>Battle Frontier
Battle Tree
>Gym Leader rematches
Trial Leader rematches
>Battle Steven
Got me there
>Find and battle Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza
Find and battle the Ultra Beasts

>>29782869
>>Battle Frontier
>Battle Tree

kill yourself

>>29782766

>>29781448
I want her to shower me with her piss.

>>29781448
So is it confirmed that Wicke is single or married?

>>29782549
I don't know but it has always been this way. The only games that actually have decent post game are remakes and third versions. Emerald has a goodbye post game but Ruby and Sapphire are shit when it comes to that.

>>29781448
>10/10 dick sucking.

Game Freak would be proud. With idiot apologist like you Game Freak would never go bankrupt.

>>29781490
There hasn't been a post game since gen 2 and remake gen 2.

>>29781448
>10/10 best waifu material

I saw the ending credit of S&M. Faba looks happy with Wicke, does it mean Aether too is redeemed?

>>29782023
What the fuck is this? Does vp not know what opinions are?

On one hand, never getting a 3rd version again should mean E/Pt/B2W2 post game should show up in the main pairs, but it didn't. On the other hand, if the main game is good enough, the post game being nothing exorbiant or spectacular is fine enough, see BW. XY was a shit game with a shit postgame, simple as that. And even then, SM has 6-7 new Gym Leader tier battles, the Victory Road and the League is ENTIRELY post game unlike BW, a better Looker fetch plot then BW(can't battle the sages but you have to hunt down and capture the UBs), and the Tapu 4 have actual ruins/dungeons before hunting em down, unlike Mewtwo's single room. So an entirely fresh way to experience the region, the trials, a cohesive story that is open and closed with no sequel baiting(for a sequel that ain't there), some actual difficulty, and a post game that will offer a good 5-6 more extra content? I'll take it, and lament that they could have done more, but I am not going to write off the series for good. Goodwill was built up with what was shown during the prerelease period, and its paying off with a worthy and superior successor to BW. Hopefully gen 8 doesn't pull an XY and blows that away again.

>>29781538
ohh the irony..:D

>>29782869
>Battle Tree
extremely lackluster and will probably lack the replayability compared to the Battle Frontier.

>>29783555
The Battle Frontier is overrated as fuck

The only good facilities were the Battle Tower and Battle Factory

Is there a champion though.

And a more important question, can you go barefoot?

>>29783607
yes
no

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>>29783617
>you will never go barefoot

>>29782564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z06vSebiS1s

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>>29783607
Here's the champion.

>>29783607
Actually, it's misleading. WE are the first ever Champ, the battle with Kukui? Nope, that's just the climax battle as the first Champion, Kukui said. Evidence? Kukui's title doesn't change at all in that battle, it's still Pokemon Professor.

I guess that's why the Champ Battle Theme is a remixed version of the main theme.

Alright, haven't seen this around here. How does breeding work? Can we still pass on 5 IVs from parents or are we back to 3 IV hell? Passing down abilities still works?

This could make me cancel my preorder.

>>29783665
I can vouch for this. Played it.

How long is the main story? Considering there's confirmed no post-game, if it isn't at least 16 hours I'm not buying it.

>>29783484
I think it's more the fact that, when trying to speak objectively in comparison to other generations, half of the rebuttals are "well I just don't like it!" No shit, people are bound to have their own fucking opinions. We're beyond that.

But speaking statistically, did this game have more content, have more complex and voluminous music, etc.?

>>29781680 provided their opinions as basis for argument, and that's fine, but when the opinions argued are backed up by horse shit (Why do I dislike this? I JUST DO!), it just doesn't seem worth commenting. Why even share your opinion if you have no intention of giving insight into what makes you feel the way you do? It's just useless drivel at that point.

Heard there are 8 gyms after you beat the trials, then E4. This true?

>>29784053
yep.

>>29783873
Lurantis had played for 15 hours straight and was about 3/4ths of the way through.

>>29784053
No, there's no gyms in Alola

Just elite 4

>>29784104
>>29784161
Super helpful.

>>29784196
You can battle the captains: Illima after you beat Hala

Kiawe, Mallow and Lana after beating Olivia

Acerola becomes Elite 4

Sophocles and Mina in the post game

There's no gyms, plain and simple

A little late to the party but has anyone seen a safari zone or friend safari?

>>29781457
Elite Four is in the game, but post game you are the champion and you defend your title.

>>29784248
>>29784196
Also the captains update their teams for post game.

Since there's no postgame, what should I do to make the story itself fun to play through?
Is it enough to use Set, turn Exp. Share off and not use Z Crystals?

>>29783415
>kanto is post game
I know this is probaby bait but it sickens me knowing people actually believe this.

>>29784248
what about that gym making people talk about before is that not in game

>>29784265
No, no other mons in the game bar Alola dex

>>29784248
>>29784278
>>29784285
So all in all, decent amount of content?
More, less, or equal to XY, ORAS?

>>29783578
>not liking the Pike, Dome, or Castle
>>>/out/

>>29784326
No. That was just speculation. The league is built during the game, and the game ends there with the normal Elite 4 and "Champion".

>>29784350
I wouldn't know, I haven't played the game. Just stating facts.

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>>29781448
>toxic
wrong website tumblrette

Anyone else get the feeling that the story has been cut in half. I mean, it seems like the game is just introducing us to the concept of Ultra Beasts and then it ends after we see a small couple of them.

I get a feeling that a post game storyline should involve you travelling through a portal and finding a whole new world populated with Ultra Beasts

>>29784350
Bit more than XY, probably the same or less than ORAS.

Afterall ORAS had TONS of legends and many mirage spots

Do we even get an Eclipse legendary?

>>29784419
Are UB Pokémon?
Different than legendaries/mythic?

Not stat wise, canon wise.

>>29784439
Necrozma

Anyone know if there's a way to transfer items to SM?

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>>29783198
I don't know.

>>29784419
After playing the game for a while, I feel like it was rushed to take advantage of the 20th anniversary

>>29784450
Ultra Beasts are kind of like Deoxy's. They are Pokémon where there shouldn't be Pokémon.

Deoxy's came from space
Ultra Beasts come from portals.

The main 'big plot twist' here though is that the portals lead to another dimension. This is where Gen 8 will probably venture... what is in this other dimension? Are there humans in this other dimension? Are the Ultra Beasts just Pokémon or are they something more?

I get the feeling that was supposed to be the big reveal of Gen 7 - the idea that Pokémon may soon cross into a different dimension. Think along the lines of the 'Reverse world' but think of that applying to the whole game.

>>29784483
>>29783198
She was teased as a ship with Faba in that reformed Aether credit pic.

>>29781925
Platinum? Don't get me wrong, that game is amazing, but I'd think around 2/3 of the games content was in the main story.

>>29784450
UB are pokemon from a different dimension. Pokeballs can attempt to capture them, but they have a very hard time trying to recognize them as pokemon. This is shown in gameplay with all* Pokeballs, including the Master Ball, having 1X catch rate on them.

*There are special Pokeballs that are in a very limited quantity that have 3X catch rate on them.

>>29784513
So is it possible to catch them with Pokeballs? it would just require a lot of them?

Also, do we have any sort of Vs.Seeker or the game will be difficult to grind for levels.

yeah but
>0/10 Pokedex
as in the actual dex itself, rotom needs to shut the fuck up

>>29784513
>Very limited

How limited we talking here?
In fact what are the catchrates on them?

>>29784488
>XY was rushed
>ORAS was rushed
>SM is rushed
What went wrong?

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>>29784499
>tfw we'll be seeing more shittily designed Ultra Beast and in their world this will be the norm

I love Lillie too much.
THIRD VERSION WITH MORE LILLIE PLEASE

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>>29784585
The 3DS

Game Freak is retarded and doesn't seem capable of making 3D games

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>>29781448
Since I have a preorder on this:

How long is the main story compared to the other games?
Does it have weird pacing issues like XY?
Are all the clothes just summer stuff?
How big is the region?

>>29784585
GF knowing Pokemon games can't bomb

>>29784585
Declining popularity of the brand. Sun and Moon likely was originally intended as a larger game but probably was cut in half in order to release in time for 20th anniversary

>>29784658
>How long is the main story compared to the other games?
Slightly shorter than XY. Can be done in about 10~ hours.
>Does it have weird pacing issues like XY?
Yes, the first island makes the game feel like it's going to be fairly massive but everything after is small as fuck.
>Are all the clothes just summer stuff?
Yes.
>How big is the region?
Artificially enlarged by a lot of empty space, actually quite small and about as sparse/unpopulated as XY was.

>>29781589
Well he did say "post-game is as big as any other first version". First versions don't usually have much more than that.
The problem with ORAS is that it was the second set of games from it's generation.

>>29784534
It is possible to catch them with normal pokeballs, but it is very unlikely.
I don't think so.

>>29784572
I don't know. I'm just pulling from the story text.
I don't know. The pokemon data page nor Kaphotics' video lists them, but I'd assume 3.

>>29784695
They really did mess up a lot with it. Hopefully the console game on the new Nintendo Switch is better.

>>29784695
>Yes, the first island makes the game feel like it's going to be fairly massive but everything after is small as fuck.
To be fair the two south islands have little on it even looking from the map. Especially the canyon one.

Anyway, what is done with the empty lots all over the region?

I DON'T WANT A NEW GEN
RELEASE POKEMON ECLIPSE ON THE SWITCH WITH MORE LILLIE

>>29784693
>Declining popularity
Are you insane? Pokémon's popularity and sales, even before Go, was at it's highest since the end of Pokemania.
XY and ORAS may not be very good games but they were very successfull.

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>>29784424

>ORAS had TONS of legends

Yeah but the problem is they were literally just random hoops in the sky. There was no lore around them, no traversing through difficult or interesting terrain just 'Press A to battle <legendary>'.

This was such a kick in the dick for OR/AS. I'm happy to admit that I'm biased against OR/AS because I never really enjoyed R/S/E but even Gen 4 had actual encounter events for legendary Pokemon and not just random voids. We didn't even get any overworld models.

All in all it seems like S/M are disappointing.

-Postgame just seems to be generic 'Battle <facility>!' and rematches at a slightly higher level (Which is standard anyway).
-Customization appears to be weighted heavily on girls again with boys getting nothing.
-Story twist is a lot more simplistic than I hoped and the whole thing seems truncated.
-Game is ORAS-tier easy and progress is super linear
-Map is pretty much WYSIWYG, not the deep level of exploration we were hoping for
-I'm not a smogonfag so I don't care about stats but I have to admit they are underwhelming and Pokemon like Vikavolt having 43 Speed is just plain nonsensical.
-Guzma is not ya boi
-Sitting removed for no fucking reason, player hitbox is weirdly big compared to the actual model meaning that there's a lot of little patches of ground you feel you should be able to walk on but can't because you're too big
-Having to press A to open doors is just pointless and the prompt you get to press A to pick up items/open doors is beyond QOL and just unnecessary.

The music is nice, the new Pokemon are good and the region is very comfy and pretty but..unless there's some unannounced extra content waiting for us I don't think I'll be playing this past the New Year, there's just not enough to keep amused with.

>>29781448
>easier than XY
>shit pokemon designs and the few with good ones have horrible stats
>no post game
>characters are shit
>holds your hand almost the entire game
literally my moms hugboxing

>>29784585
Gamefreak setting release dates too early on and not delaying it even when needed.
A lot of ideas probably end up scrapped because of it.

>>29784806
So basicly not much diffrent from X/Y ans ORAS except with different region?
Can you tell if hats are removable?

>>29784877
Hats are removable

The rest still feels lazy as fuck. Happy Anniversary

>>29784816
>easier than XY
No, it is a bit more challenging thanks to Totems and to trainers with perfect IVs and even efforted pokémon. That said XY difficulty is a pretty low bar to begin with.

>no post game
Aside from legendary hunting and a battle facility, what else the first sets of games in a generation have offered in the past? With the exception of Gen II having a second region. It's looking like it has as much if not more stuff to do than Gen VI. But again, pretty low bar.

>characters are shit
Opinions. Characters and story/lore are carrying this for me.

Can't disagree about the rest.

>>29784806
>-Game is ORAS-tier easy and progress is super linear
Linear, yes, but the difficulty's solid if you turn off EXP Share. Trainer AI is far better than it was in gen 6.
>Sitting removed for no fucking reason
yea but you can lie down in lillie's bed and smell her scent

>>29784424
>TONS of legends
True, and this is nice for people who haven't completed their dex, but it's still the most shoehorned excuse for them ever. The birds being in Kalos already felt weird, but ORAS has literal plot holes to warp them at you

Imagine S&M was forced to have a new version. Which would would you rather have?
>S&M2 like BW2
>Eclipse like Emerald/Platinum

>>29784889
Thank you.

>>29784912
SM2. It's really obvious they didn't have time to finish some locales or add in all the islands that they wanted to.

SM's rushed to hell and back. It's a lot better on paper and more fun than gen 6 was, but jesus it's still kinda bad.

>>29784912
Sun and Moon 2. There's a lot of room for expanding and continuing things, not to mention a sequel after a few years changes up locations a bit more.

As for gameplay stuff like new sidequests or facilities, it doesn't matter if it's a third version or a sequel.

>>29781448
>no gyms
>garbage elite four
>champion is literally just the obnoxious professor

>>29784912
SM2 with Lillie coming back as the Kanto Champion.

>>29784894
>what else the first sets of games in a generation have offered in the past?

X/Y - Looker Bureau quest.

So far there doesn't seem to be any actual extra quests or missions for the S/M postgame.

>>29784912
Sun and Moon 2
where the main characters are in the 16-20s range.

The main characters being 11 and everything being patronizing as fuck is ruining the atmosphere.

>>29784950
Kukui ISNT the champion, he's even titled as "Pokemon Professor Kukui wants to battle" and we're named the first Alola champion

Kukui is there just for an extra battle

>>29784895
>Trainer AI is far better than it was in gen 6.
I had a trainer (one of the first ones) spawn Growl for 4 turns.

>>29781448

Disappointing.

>>29784895
>the difficulty's solid if you turn off EXP Share. Trainer AI is far better than it was in gen 6.

Yeah but all the Yungoos though. It doesn't really feel like a challenge if you're just battling the same Pokemon over and over.

>>29781680
XY also had legendary bird hunting, one more dungeon for a legend, and battle chateau upgrades

>>29784982
Kukui was a champion in Kanto so he challenged you as a formality.

>>29784982
He fulfills the same function as the champion in every other game.

And the fact the E4 is just tacked on postgame shit is another point against it

It's like they forgot this series is about BATTLING

>>29784912
third versions are dead

>>29784982
This, that's why the battle theme is a callback to the Pokemon theme, the MAIN theme.

But people will realize once the game is out.

Mohn is also to be alluded as Lusamine's lost husband hence Gladion and Lillie's dad. You should search who's Mohn in case you have forgotten.

>>29784962
Does that stuff regarding Anabel and the International Police happen in the main story? From how it looked like in the text dump I expected it to happen during the quest to catch the remaining Ultra Beasts.

>>29785015
Nah, I can see them making a third version for S&M to recycle assets. GF is probably pretty tired right now.

>>29785004
He wasnt champion, he just challenged the gyms

>>29784988
Then don't support this franchise anymore, easy. It will outlive your departure.

>>29784982
He is essentially the champion battle though, everything else is just arguing about the technicals.

>>29785034
Tired? They had a 2 year break and they gave us another short game with little to no post game.

They're lazy, not tired

>>29785041

Because the Next Generation could be better.

>>29783662
>marries a girl that's more attractive than him
>dresses as a wrestler
>is a pokemon professor
i hate and envy him at the same time

>>29785026
No, it's post-game. People are shitting on the post-game when we have very little idea of what the post-game is even about.

>>29785049
Its like N and Ghetsis in BW1.They're like champion battles but they're not champions

Same with Kukui

>>29785034
I can see that happening too. I don't think they'll do something completely new, be it remake or Gen VIII, in the 3DS.

We're still not sure of how long the 3DS will live (as it's not confirmed the Switch will take over for it, Nintendo may still do a pure handheld depending on its reception), and even if it is, GF doesn't do games for a new handheld until later on, when it has a big userbase. It's likely Nintendo wants Pokémon to be a title to attract people that were not attracted by the console itself and it's first big titles.

>>29785034
We haven't had a third version since 2008

>>29785026
That's post game. Looker quest.

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>game scheduled to come out in 9/14 days
>leaked just yesterday
>people already go 'now that the dust has settled, can we agree SM is the worst? '
Fuck this community and franchise, thank goodness SMT comes out in yurop in 3 weeks.

>>29785107
Which the anon I was replying to was implying didn't exist in Sun/Moon.

>>29785063
> a girl that's more attractive than him
debatable

>>29785098
I think when he says third version he also means something like BW2. Since he's talking about reusing assets.

>>29785135
Oh. I wasn't paying attention. My bad.

>>29785041

Because. One of the generations after this would be better than this disappointment.

>>29785131
Apocalypse is pretty shitty too
S&M actually has a better story, which is pretty embarrassing

>>29785131
>not pirating
>>29785210
Anything has a better story than apocalypse.
Only reason it gets really bad is the Egg alignment lock.

>>29785034
>GF is probably pretty tired right now.
How

Taking a two year reserch trip to Hawaii and then resuing models and engines from XY tired them out?

>>29781634
No one in /vp/ actually catches them all, anon

>>29785210
This is true.
What the fuck were they thinking with that.

Does Refresh not have minigames? If so, that fucking sucks

>>29785400
Nope

>>29785423
How do you get beans then?

>>29785435
PokePelago

>>29785461
Ugh, that's just tedious

So...is Lusa actually evil or was she brainwashed by the UB?

>>29784419
>>29784499
>>29784693
>Pokemon eclipse
>Solgaleo and Lunala actually do shit instead of "lol the twist is that they're the evoluiton of cosmog"
>same for UBs
>Type: null gets some Mewtwo-like philosophy or something and makes Arceus go FUCKING BALLISTIC instead of just leaving it at "yep, he's based on Arceus, what about it?"
Actually, it'd make much more sense to include that in the gen 4 remakes that are surely coming because you can't just replicate God and expect it to go well

exp share on or off? I heard it won't overlevel you anymore so no harm?

>>29785488
She's evil, or at least pretty crazy. Nihilego's abilities simply amplify it. If it really was injecting her with toxins before the climax, I don't think it was. At least there's no clear reference to it, it's just something people are inferring from Nihilego's description.

Who is the main villain in Sun? Luminesa seems to be Moon's.

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>>29785210
>>29785210
>implying I care about shitty opinions of random folks on /vp/ of all places
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure to enjoy both games anyway.

>>29781448
>>post-game is as big as any other first version
the problem is that Gamefreak used this as an excuse to bitch out of making a good postgame for the third time in a row.

>>29785506
Not to mention that fucking scene where they go to an ancient ruined temple and play a flute to summon a legendary. If that's not foreshadowing than I don't know what is

>>29781577
You seemingly rematch some of the Trial Captains first, then E4, then a Champion fight like usual.

>>29785821
>You seemingly rematch some of the Trial Captains first

Nah, some are rematchable very early, some later, its nothing official unlike league

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>>29782457
This would be a meaningful argument if X/Y didn't exist.

I hope the next game is on the switch.

>>29782457
I think the reason why people aren't putting up with that excuse anymore was because we just finished a gen that had no good postgame in both releases.

If the next game is a sinnoh remake where the BF is replaced with a "c u soon, by the way did you visit the Battle Tree imported from Alola", /vp/ is gonna go nuclear

>>29786040
This is not a problem with the 3DS hardware in any way. This is a problem with Game Freak.
Going to the Switch won't change anything.

>>29786040
SM doesn't even have 3D, they'll give up trying to make it playable on both modes on the Switch and disable it

>>29786040
Do you really think Game Freak has the capacity to develop games for a high-end (for Nintendo standards at least) home console?

Fuck that and other developers who nowadays most work with Nintendo on handhelds iare one of the main reasons I'm still doubting NX will be a successor to the handhelds as well and not just a home console with portability gimmicks.

>>29781448
>shitty 2d characters
>same shitty story as ever
>linear paths with nice looking stuff you can't access
>only 80 new pokemon. Routes saturated with too many Pokemon that don't fit there.
>Unremarkable soundtrack
>Post-game is about the same as ORAS

>>29781448
Nice try Game Freak. But stop posting

So it's another rushed and hollow game like XY?

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>>29781448
>pokemon
>story

>>29786641
Was anyone with half a functioning brain seriously expecting it to be anything else?

>>29786509
>>29786564
>>29786641
>>29786693
$0.40 has been deposited to your account.

>>29785292
That's a banable offense

Is there a postgame battle facility in Sun and Moon? Is the BP I saved up through bank usable?

>>29786806
A battle tower clone that pretends to be the PWT

>>29781680
>Reminder DP was the 10th Anniversary game.

HOLY SHIT... :X holy shit... this company is fucking scary, they doing shit and then fixing it instead of planning everything from start...

>>29787140
That was always game freaks MO.
The problem is that now they're making games faster and not revisiting recent releases anymore there isn't room for any fixing. They just dump it in whatever unfinished status it was and start focusing in doing another game from the ground up in too little time and focusing more in overhyping it.

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>>29781448
>10/10
You're trying too hard.

>>29787188

>having millions of dolans
>big company
>things that were welcomed by players
>being unable to write good game

lol

>>29781448
>>10/10 characters
Elaborate
>>10/10 story
Unoriginal
>>immersive and detailed region
Elaborate
>>good variety of pokemon
Lol no
>>10/10 soundtrack
Not at all

>>29787233
All the money in the world wouldn't do shit when the people in charge are mediocre at best.

And no, they won't just fire everyone and hire more competent people. That's usually not how Japanese businesses work.

>>29787061
The Battle Royal? Are there BP vendors there?

>>29787319
He means the Battle Tree.

>>29787611
Oh, that. But are there BP vendors there?

I'm playing right now. What is in the egg the Daycare lady gives you?

>>29787266
boi you really fucked that formatting up

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From the game text dump at https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/gametext.txt

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Text File : 81
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Kalos Champion Ribbon
Champion Ribbon
Sinnoh Champion Ribbon

GUYS?!

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>>29788976
>A mythical chain that is said to link the Legendary Pokémon that created the Sinnoh region.

>>29784483
>'Your ass is grass and I'm gonna mow it'

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>>29789041
>A bag filled with convenient tools for exploring. It provides access to the Underground in the Sinnoh region.

[spoilers] you think this might turn out like the God Stone crap in Gen V? [/spoiler]

>>29781448
>10/10 soundtrack
actually 9/10
guzma's theme is absolute garbage
also lusamine x cyrus otp

>>29782869
>implying the Battle Tree is nearly as large as the Frontier

>>29789394
also oras and xy had a better variety of pokemon
undeniable but can be explained since alola is supposed to be an isolated region with its own specific selection of pokemon