>They're all pretty bad Game Freak why?

>>29757176
>owlfags thought owl will become the new greninja
>it turns out there is no greninja tier mons in the entire aloladex

>>29757176
Isn't Primarina good? Or is its Defense too low?

Decidueye might get use as a baton passer that resists Earthquake at least

>>29757176
becasue they didnt go with the balio
those fake leaks were top tier

>>29757468
Primarina's the middle ground between Blissey and Gardevoir with their stats and abilities. They've got a lot of potential to make it to UU at the very least, if not outright OU due to based Water/Fairy typing.

>>29757176
Primarina has an amazing typing and access to Rain boosted, Liquid Voice boosted, STAB Hyper Voice.

It gets to attack with explosion that hits through subs each turn in the rain while sitting on a respectable SpAtk stat.

If you don't think that is at least somewhat decent you need to get the fuck out.

is gen 7 the gen 2 of gen 6?

>>29757176
They're fine, they just aren't designed to be used competitively. Leave your faggy fucking tiers out of it for once.

>>29757924
Except it can't take a hit because of shitty HP, DEF and most importantly no recovery. Special attackers with low speed are rarely worth using. And it is a special attacker, not a tank.

>>29758076
>They're fine
>they just aren't designed to be used competitively.
Way to contradict yourself in the same sentence.

>those stat spreads
L I T E R A L L Y W H Y

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>soft resetted 10 times
>only male popplios

This entire gen might as well not exist

>>29758243
It's still sitting on very good SP Def and a great defensive typing so it's not like it's glass.

Run some wish support if you need it.

>>29758339
>5-minute cutscene before getting the starter
They did this on purpose, didn't they?

>>29758076
Some of us don't stop playing after we beat the game, anon.

>>29758339
Haha. This gen has the longest time before you can pick up your starter. You literally have to go through a 5 cutscene before you can get one.

>>29758339
I used PkHex to change the gender AND make her shiny

Nah, Primarina's going to OU.
Incineroar goes to UU or RU at least.
Decidueye... okay, that one's terrible.

>>29759620
does it affect anything if you just switch the genders?

>litten last evo gets a massive speed decrease despite previous stages being it's greatest advantage

That shit is unprecedented, how the fuck does gamefreak justify this.

Owlfag btw

>>29759666
>Primarina
>going to OU
Fat fucking chance. It'll be RU at best.

>no bulk
>slow
>no recovery
>no dual screens
>useless HA that DOESN'T give a damage boost

>>29759827
> Doesn't give a damage boost.

Proof? It literally has the same wording as pixalate.

>>29759973
A-Golem gets the same move but with Electric, and it specifically states it gets a damage boost.

>>29759620
Good to know that PkHex works.

>>29758339
>People soft resetting for a female Popplio
>5 minute cutscene every time

I'd rather pick Rowlet because at least with that one, I'm not actually afraid of letting it be any gender

that or just bloody go with a male Primarina :^)

>>29759620
Good for you but for me it doesn't feel right if I do that.

>>29758837
And not all Pokémon are going to be OU, get over it crybaby

Welcome to the Slowla Region.

>>29757468

It's HP and defense are low, but its typing still makes it viable, if very situational.

It helps that it hits like a freight train.

>>29760334
>It's HP and defense are low
Man, I don't understand this.
It had all the makings of a bulky mon.

>>29758339

Soft reset more, you pansy.

>>29759973
The type-ate abilities actually have extra wording indicating their damage boost now. This one isn't the same as those, it's sound moves only not a type-to-type. Even then there's the precedent set by Normalize.

If it doesn't say it, don't assume it does something extra.

>>29760334
>It helps that it hits like a freight train.
No it doesn't. It doesn't help at all because it has no bulk and no recovery.

>>29760372
It's a special attacker, but they forgot to make it fast like it would need to be.

>>29760421
So does Pixilate now say it does boosted damage? If so then it's outright confirmed that Liquid Voice gets no damage boost and is thus totally useless.

>>29760569
>Normal-type moves become Fairy-type moves. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
From the full text dump: https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/gametext.txt

>>29760856
Well that settles it then. What is even the point of Liquid Voice then? I can't see any scenario where anything about it is useful. Might as well leave it with Torrent.

>>29760906
It's GameFreak doing a GameFreak.

>>29760983
Seems like this gen is their first attempt at looking at balance as a serious matter, adjusting old Pokemon and moves alike.

Too bad it seems they are doing it horribly.

>>29761057
>Too bad it seems they are doing it horribly.
That's our Gamefreak.

>>29761057
That has nothing to do with Liquid Voice being literally useless. In general they seem to have a hateboner for the starters, Primarina in particular.

>>29757176
What makes Rowlet bad (stats, movepool?). I just learned about the leak so I am trying to catch up.

Whats the HA?

>>29761239
All the starters are slow as fuck (Decidueye is the FASTEST with 70 speed).

>>29760856

Well

it's something

rip in pepperoni primafags hopefully you'll make something good out of it despite the stats and abilities

be glad you got your mermaid

>>29761312
There is nothing good to get out of Primarina. It's confirmed for RU tier at best. Incineroar will probably be UU and I dunno about Decidueye.

>>29757410
That's how they hope to balance the VGCs for once

>>29761407
Thank You Ultra Beasts of Healthy Meta!

>>29761312
I'm not a primafag but I doubt it will be bad anyway. Fairy/Water is a typing that can carry a mediocre Pokemon, it has the stats to be a special-side tank (which is a genuine viable role for a water type), and among special water tanks it will probably have the best typing and offensive power at once.

>>29757176
what does "F" mean?

>>29761595
No it is absolutely fucking bad in every fucking way. It's not a special tank, it's a special attacker, but without any of the speed it would need. It also gets no recovery and it's HA is arguably the most useless ability this gen.

>>29760906
its more a flavor thing anon - gamefreak has proven they don't give two shits about competitive viability

>>29761595
>it has the stats to be a special-side tank
>tank
Nigga have you seen the stats.

>>29761736

I understand that you have a hate boner for Primarina but you need to chill out.

>>29761490
probably going to be banned

>>29761789
>reading comprehension

>>29761792
Explain to me how Hyper Voice has any value whatsoever? Torrent is a better ability than it. TORRENT.

>>29761815
Which leaves us with Gen VII: It's A Meta About Nothing.

>>29761897
they murdered gengar and talonflame too,

>>29757977
Sure is starting to look that way. On the plus side gen 4 fixed a few gen 2 mons last time, and that's probably set to be the next remake

>>29761847
Hyper voice is not an ability and the post you replied to said nothing about it.

>>29762183
do you have a link to the datamined stats and shit?

>>29761897
An RU-type metagame will be way cooler than Mega Kang And How to Counter It like VGC '14 was

>Idiots still deny that Primarina got the best shot at being viable in competitive gameplay

Even without recovery and its situational HA, it continues to be the the only of the three to have any standing chance in anything above RU due to its moveset, attack and typing.

>>29763043
*useless HA

>>29762273
And it's the only attack that is even usable with Liquid Voice, but since it doesn't get a boosted attack it's useless.

>>29763043
>it's HA
>situational
Try totally useless, as mentioned above. Explain a single reason ANYONE would use it? Torrent is the better ability, and Torrent is garbage. Primarina is the worst starter if anything. At least the other's HAs aren't TOTALLY useless.

>>29763260
Its HA being useless doesn't invalidate it as a Pokemon. It's still got one of the game's best typings and high stats where it's specialized.

>>29758339
>finally get a female one
>worst possible nature

>>29761736
>it's HA is arguably the most useless ability this gen
>>29761847
>Torrent is a better ability than it. TORRENT

I don't know about that. Sound attacks hit through substitute and echoed voice can get 200 base attack if you set it up right.

>>29757176
I went from liking them all to liking none of them

>>29763913
OH FUCKING BOY! SUBSTITUTE! Cause that's totally worth not using something better like Scald for. Not that Primarina is gonna survive long enough to get off a burn with that shitty HP, Defense and lack of recovery. Still, no one is ever gonna use Hyper Voice without the thing that made it good on Sylveon to begin with.

>>29764257
Scald is pretty bad though, 30% means almost never.

I'd rather use Sparkling Aria and her custom Z-Move for it.

>>29758339
I got a female right away, didn't even need to soft reset.

I love her.

>>29760231
underrated

Almost all of the new mons that aren't legendary seem like ass. What the hell was their plan?

>>29764000
Same here. And I was also going to give Gumshoos a shot for some retarded reason. Maybe I'll just run with 6 Minior.

>>29763043
Too bad it's the least popular so no one cares.

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>>29764572
>tfw most alolamons are so shit that they had to nerf good pokemon in order to make them look better than they actually are.

>>29764572
>What the hell was their plan?
Make the post game better because you can finally get all the old good pokemon.

>>29757479
Yeah if by top tier you mean creepy

>>29764452
Sparkling Aria is even worse. Why would you want to HELP your opponent? Just use Surf.

But there's really nothing you can use to make Primarina good. it might actually be the worst starter ever. Easily the worst of this gen.

>>29760231
Oh good Slowbro and Slowking are great.

>>29764785
>Just use Surf.
But you can only use Oceanic Operetta with Sparkling Aria, and for a Z-Move with 195 Power that's worth it.
Maybe that has a certain use over Z-Power Surf which only comes to 175 Power.

It's also worth to consider that Z-Moves go through Protect with 25% power.

>>29764580
>Maybe I'll just run with 6 Minior

And call each only shooting stars break the mold?

>>29757479
>literal deviantart edgelord shit
>top tier

kys yourself

>>29764998

aw fuck it my spoilers

>>29764785
>It might actually be the worst starter ever. Easily the worst of this gen.
No, decidueye is. Basically got cucked by a fucking anchor that has the same typing AND signature move, also decidueye's typing is terrible for a slow mixed attacker; stat distribution is fucked and its ability won't help it very much either and it's extremely situational with that movepool.

>>29762730
just search on youtube.

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>>29764785
> it might actually be the worst starter ever. Easily the worst of this gen.

>>29764954
Except Primarina will never get off any attack with those mediocre defenses. You're also wasting an item on something that would be better spent trying to give it some inkling of recovery so it can actually tank a little, even if doing so very shittily. It's RU tier for a reason.

>>29765136
Decidueye can at least take a hit, gets a recovery and it's HA isn't TOTALLY useless like Primarina's.

>>29765382
What's the HA for each mon?

>>29765382
>Decidueye can at least take a hit
No it can't, worse bulk AND defensive typing than Primarina, how is this even up for discussion?

> it's HA isn't TOTALLY useless like Primarina's
Liquid Voice would be great on a good pokemon that gets boomburst just like Long Reach would be great on a good physical attacker. Good abilities, just bad pokemon.

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>>29757176
I still love my bro. I never thought he'd be OU material, I liked him anyway

>>29765750
>No it can't, worse bulk AND defensive typing than Primarina, how is this even up for discussion?
Because it actually gets a recovery.

>Liquid Voice would be great on a good pokemon that gets boomburst
But Primarina is neither a good pokemon nor gets Boomburst. That would actually make it decent, which is why it doesn't get it. Why even bring this up?

I already played the game.
This shit is XY 2.0.

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I'm a dumb, how does PKHEX work? do you need a 3DS with CFW for it ? I want to change the nature of my Litten but don't want to reset 100 times

>>29765904
>Because it gets recovery
With that bulk and speed, it'd be dead before getting to use roost.
>It just can't attack and use roost in the next turn because it'd be dead before that.

Decidueye isn't neither a good pokemon and only gets 2 good contact moves, neither of them is STAB and Decidueye doesn't hit hard enough to take advantage of them

Liquid Voice IS good, you just can't blame the pokemon for not getting the exploitable moves and call it a bad ability. That's how move-based ability works,
>Pixelate/Aerilate is SHIT because this particular pokemon doesn't get hypervoice/frustration/return/quick attack.
Get how it works, anon?

>>29766192
1. Liquid voice doesn't boost the attack's strength like aerilate and pixelate
2. They're good because the pokemon who got them didn't suck nad their movepool dids't suck either. Guess what? The only pokemon with pixelate and aerilate DID get hyper voice or quick attack!