Toxapex

>>29750748
>Those defenses
>Scald
>Regenerator
WE ASSAULT VEST NOW BOYO

>>29750748
>Toxapex crawls along the ocean floor on its 12 legs. It leaves a trail of Corsola bits scattered in its wake.

It also has a fucking metal Pokédex description

>>29750748
Is crits a big deal with those attack stats?

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>>29750798
>putting an assault vest on a pokemon obviously meant to poison everything it can

Seriously? This thing is begging for Leftovers.

>>29750864
It'll get 2x damage and ignore defensive stat buffs. Throw in the buffed Leech Life for recovery (along with leftovers) and it's actually a really good ability. This thing is going to be absurdly hard to take down.

>>29750996
i didn't notice leech life on the moveset from the SciresM video, where are people getting that from?

>merciless + venoshock
>120 base + crit every time

>>29750917
>trying to poison things in tapu meta.

>>29750917
You mean Black Sludge.

>>29750798
>assault vest on a pokemon with massive defenses and issues with every other stat

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>guaranteed crits on poisoned pokemon
oh baby doubles is gonna be wild this gen

Does anyone have a link to all of the new mons stats like this one

>>29750832
One of my favorite Gen 7 pokemon destroying one of my favorite Gen 2 pokemon

I don't know how I feel

>tfw you loved the qt urchin before smogonfags started jerking over it

>>29750798

>assault vest

Further proving the fact that you retards will put assault vest on everything. AV does absolutely nothing on this pokemon

>>29751453
>Abra used confusion

>>29751454
check out @sciresM on twitter

>>29750864
There's probably some cheesy shit you can pull with bunker and venoshock, 120 BP with stab and crit will definitely hurt even off it's poor stats.

>>29751341
Shit, forgot about that. Good catch, anon.

>>29751316
Forgot about the terrain abilities as well. I wonder if that'll screw up Toxic Spikes.

>>29751456
I wanna cry while laughing maniacally.

>>29751454
http://pastebin.com/GwZBGpfx

Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkFsQfnYZk

Also in video form.

>>29750748

>can crit anything switching in with access to toxic spikes

That 63/53 is gonna hurt

>>29750748
>100% crit venoshock

Jesus fuck.
Toxic spikes the meta.

The first thing I thought was that slowbro and tentacruel fused.

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>>29750748
>Crobat gets Merciless

I might have missed the post talking about it but overall I haven't seen anyone mention that IT HAS A PROTECT CLONE THAT POISONS THE ATTACKER

>>29750798
Hi Verlisify

>>29752766
good call, didnt notice that. this thing is going to be insanely bulky, stall new meta?

>Wasting your toxapex by giving it an offensive ability
Regenerator or riot
Also it's immune to toxic, which is essential for bulky mons like this

>>29750748
completely ignoring its special protect move that poisons a physical attacker

>>29751458
Same here, and not even for Waifu reason. It lives in a forteress, that alone is pretty cool

>>29750748
It's literally the best Toxic Spiker in the game.

>>29750832
Neato, just like a crown of thorns starfish.

>>29750832
Is there a collection of all the Dex entries somewhere?

>>29750748
I dunno if this is the new ferrothorn but it definitely is my new bro

>>29750748
>Merciless: Guaranteed Crits on poisoned target
>Venoshock: 65bp. Double damage on poisoned
>195 base damage, plus dealing with Toxic's health loss

This thing is monstrous.

>>29756722
>Salazzle exists, so LITERALLY NOTHING CAN ESCAPE THE DESTRUCTION

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>>29751458

This.

I couldn't help loving this little bugger, the one little bugger my eye managed to take a glance on and fell in love with, now I learn it's fucking stronk and holds out on its own?

shit baby when did you become so strong

I'm so damn proud of ya I knew you wouldn't let me down

from a qtp2t urchin to a badass steampunk fortress

>>29750996
Crits haven't been 2x since gen 5.

>>29751458
>>29756854
>BAAAAAAAAAAAAW I CAN'T LIKE GOOD POKEMON ONLY SHITMONS DESERVE MY LOVE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAW
Kill yourselves you shitty hipsters

>going crazy over an useless ability that makes your attacks to 15 damage instead of 10
>not realizing it gets regenerator, the ability that made fucking tangrowth, amoonguss and slowbro OU just by existing

I knew I'd like it when we saw the leak on the TCG box. I'm not one for being a cowardly shitter, but I just may have to abuse the defensive abilities this bastard has.

>>29750748
>-new 100% acc water move that lowers defence

Not even worth mentioning, it WILL use scald and only scald for water attacks.

Otherwise yeah, this is kind of scary. A better shuckle

>>29756996
>ignores Defense and SpDef buffs
>Opponent loses health from Poison
>can guarantee a Poison from either Toxic Spikes or Bunker

It's pretty fucking good. Regenerator is also great. It'll be hard to know which version someone is running until that first Critical.

>>29751234

Good thing it's a poison attack or I'd be concerned

>>29751453

You'd have to set up a toxic, and then attack your own team mate. Not even worth it. Might as well use a swords dance, or use an attack that guarantees a crit, like frost breath

>>29756722
>toxic
>toxic spikes
>baneful bunker
>sludge wave
>sludge bomb
>poison jab
Boi not playin around.

>>29756805

Salazzle can poison steel types, but the steel types would still be immune to venoshock.

I mean, you could get a critical scald, but I'm not sure if you factored that in or not

>>29751234
venoshock is 65bp. it's 130. 195 after crit.

>>29751364
Sure. All the better to stall you with.

>>29750917
Not black sludge?

>>29751453
the crab is honestly dogshit. Think Breloom with no Technician or Spore

>>29757289
Oh yeah. Steel. I was just thinking about other poisons, but yeah, steel get crit on too, albiet without the venoshock fun.

>>29757353
what about stab friendo

>>29757054
>scald

anon, this mon centers around the idea of poisoning opponents, you can't burn what is poisoned

>>29757441

Good point. Odds are it would forgo every attack that isn't venoshock either way.

Regenerator with Scald is going to be the best set.

>>29758408
How is that better than guaranteed crit double damage Venoshock?

>>29753056
>stall
>new meta
You mean the same shit for 4 more years?

>>29758478
Because first you need to poison the opponent, second it's bad one-move coverage, and third it has 53 base special attack

>>29757186
>what is toxic orb

>>29758478
>amazing stall mon but with low HP
>one of its abilities gives it automated recovery
Shit I don't know.

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>>29750748
Hee's a webm lads.

>>29756904

Way to misinterpret someone's post. They're just saying they liked sea urchin before anything regarding stats ever came out.

>>29758478
Because he has base 53 fucking special attack.

Anything's better than trying to attack with that.

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>>29758702
Mareanie's pretty cool too

>>29758702

I want to get inside its fortress and play with tiny urchin.

Do you have a webm of its pre-evo, Mareanie?

>>29758885

Its a 65 STAB that will be 2x powered plus the crit if it has merciless. Even off 53SpA, that will wreck most attackers not resisting poison.

>>29759003
>>29758945

Hah, never mind.

so what +Spd -spd, evs in HP and split defenses and
Black Sludge/Regen
>Recover
>spikes/toxic
>scald
>Protect
is it annoying enough yet

>>29759056
>protect
it has it's only special protect that poisons. Baneful Bunker.

>>29750798
> Raises Special Defense by 50% but prevents holder from using non-damaging moves

Uh you really wanna give up on having baneful block, toxic, recover, toxic spikes? That makes the pokemon trash tier.

>>29759019
252+ SpA Modest Choice Specs Toxapex Venoshock vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Sylveon on a critical hit: 242-288 (61.8 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


>It will wreck things that don't resist it

Nigger, it can't even OHKO a Sylveon, and I pulled out all the fucking stops for it.

>>29750748
are we ignoring Baneful bunker?

Is that a new move? protect with guaranteed poison touch sounds pretty good.

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>>29759199
>hurr i can't look

>>29759292
Why would you use protect if it has a move that fullfils protect conditions and poisons... You keep posting that shit poke combo like it's have any impact.

>>29757424
I honestly don't know where in the math to insert stab, so I was hoping to just leave it implied.

>>29750748
yeah, it looks cute and interesting
great DEF ensures you can build up your poison+ability combo
the animation is also fitting. also fuck fairies

>>29759292
Aegislash can learn Protect, but why would you use it over King's Shield?
This nigga has its own Protect variant with Baneful Bunker.

>>29758592
>you need to poison the opponent
baneful bunker your first turn. big woop.

Or just build a team built around poison, which this meta seems to really be built for.

>>29758654
what is getting merc'd by your ally.

>>29759545
>merc'd

>give it Toxapex a Timid nature (-atk +Spd) and 0 IVs/EVs in Atk
>give Crab Adamant nature (+Atk -SpA)
>max EVs in Atk and Def
>use Frustration (with max Happiness) to proc Anger Point on crab
>enjoy a +6 Earthquake on turn 1

>>29759464

I wonder if I can maul Primarina with Toxapex. Probably not, but I can dream.

I'm kind of wondering, what's the meaning behind that name by the way? I like to know the meaning behind them.

>>29759229
I think you did the math wrong, but your overall opinion isn't wrong.

252 SpA Life Orb Toxapex Venoshock vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Sylveon on a critical hit: 377-447 (96.4 - 114.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO / guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

I went a little more reasonably with Life Orb and no Sp. Atk boosting Nature.

>>29759019
Really though, this thing only just barely OHKO's a fucking Fairy Type, and this is after a minimum of a turn of setup, not to mention it's slow as balls. This is a shit Mon to use for attacking - the regenerator / scald set is going to be the norm. Anyone using him to attack is basically just using a shittier Muk/Tentacruel.

>>29759812
>Toxapex
from Toxic and Apex Twin Fan #1

>>29759808
Turn two, because Toxic Orb takes a turn to activate.

>0 SpA Muk Venoshock (130 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew on a critical hit: 127-150 (37.2 - 43.9%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after poison damage
set muk to 53 SpA. The power is unreal

>It's not Poison/Steel

fucking really? what's the point

>>29754198
Merciless will be fun as hell for ingame

>>29761083

Funny how I guessed its typing at first but thought about the possibility of something entirely different.

I like Water/Poison, it's not the best, but I can take it

>>29756722
all coming off it's monstrous base 53 spatk

>>29759963
That's shit anon.

Absolute dog shit.

And to do that, it loses out on Regenerator, which as a tanky pokemon, it really, really fucking wants.

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>>29750748
>Merciless

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>Baneful bunker

>>29752700
Is this true?
Also, could you give the source?

10 more minutes mom!

In all seriousness though, this one of the more promising additions to this meta. I hope it won't be setup fodder, but this thing sounds like Ferrothorn 2.0

>>29762058
More like Ferrothorn Version B.

He can do more, but weaknesses to Electric and Ground are comparable to Fire and Fighting, while he doesn't have the sheer amount of resistances Ferrothorn does. It's a good poke overall though.

I'm already getting ready for shitty gimmicks.

Toxapex @ Choice Specs
252 sp.at, 252 HP
Venoshock

Pair it with a bulky Poison Gas/ Venom drench partner and hope for no steel types

>>29763149
yes, I totally can see people running choice specs on this Pokémon

if you retards had any idea how competitive works, you'd understand that recover, scald and toxic spikes would be staples on this critter

>>29763350
Well yeah it doesn't take a genius to look at this pokemon and know that regenerator/ recover is the best option. Shitty gimmicks are just more fun to pull off.

>>29750748

Even Limber is a good ability on this mon. Can't be poisoned except via corrosion, doesn't fear burn, and can't be paralyzed either? Nightmare on stall.

>>29750748
protect
toxic
infestation
recover

black sludge

limber or regenerator

all you need, screw other sets

huh... it gets what looks like a water type crunch... and iirc its atk is higher than its sp atk... is that any use?

>>29764428
it gets a new version of protect that poisons people who used a contact move against it, (Baneful Bunker)
it's probably regular poison though...

>>29750748
Merciless is shit-tier with those offenses, not to mention the crit nerf this gen.

>>29765130
What crit nerf?

>>29750748
That's my boy!!!!

>>29751453
>not pairing with Krookodile

>>29759812
>Mareanie
Marine + Meanie

>Toxapex
Toxic + Apex (Predator)

>>29750748
where I can see the other pokemon pages?

>>29766055
>Toxic + Apex (Predator)

fucking nice

>>29765130
the venoshock is nothing to scoff at, even with garbage stats like that

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Mareanie is adorable, I drew this in honor. I'm glad it's found early, Toxapex seems like an ingame nightmare.

>>29766371

Aw shit, that's saved. I like your style, man.

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>>29766222
Yep. Crown of thorns starfish eat the coral that make coral reefs and aren't eaten by much of anything else.

Most reef species' survival depends on the survival of coral, so they're kind of seen as an "apex predator" of sorts. Destroying reefs and kicking everything else out of their homes in the process because fuck you, I'm a giant badass starfish that looks like it got lost on its way back from a Dimmu Borgir concert. Fittingly, a Brütal Star.

You can kill them with household vinegar though.

>>29750748
what program is that?

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>>29766758
Now I get where the meanie part of Mareanie's name comes from. This thing sounds like a massive douchebag, both in Pokemon and in real life. There's probably not much in the ocean that could take it on without suffering serious poison damage. Toxapex is build like a fortress that shoots poison missiles in every direction, talk about dangerous.

This guy is absolutely on my team.

>>29759452
Venoshock = 65 BP
Venoshock w/Poison = 130 BP
Venoshock w/Poison + STAB = 195 BP
Venoshock w/Poison + STAB + Merciless = 292 BP

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>>29767375
>Almost 300 BP Poison
As if I needed another reason to use best starfish.

>>29766371
seems kind of Skarpne.

>>29768037
>29768037
It won't kill Slyveon in one hit, but hey, who cares. It'll outlast it with Toxic or force it to become setup fodder with Toxic Spikes.

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>>29750748
How much hate is this thing gonna get?

>>29769020
I already hate how abusable it is

>>29769020
Well, smeargle lost dark void, so might as well give it something else useful

>>29768037
>>29767375

Running off of 53 Sp. Atk.

It's not a big deal, holy shit guys. It can only JUST BARELY OHKO Sylveon reliably.
>>29759882

>>29750748
There's already WAY too many incredibly good Water Pokemon

I don't fucking have room for more

At this point I need something good to replace Gengar now that he's shit

>>29764428
Toxapex @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def /168 SpD
Relaxed Nature

- Baneful Bunker
- Infestation
- Recover
- Liquidation


This is going to be fucking great.

Opponent gets Poisoned and Trapped, then gets it's Defense lowered, then you switch out to someone with Pursuit. Recover whenever you feel like Regenerator won't do enough.

>>29769430
or you could just keep it in and spam Liquidation till they die

>>29769477
Also acceptable.

The Ferrothorn / Toxapex core is going to be a staple from here on out.

>>29758547
Same shit for 4 more years is still better than trump.

Is recover with a ability that recover when switching viable? Isnt that just waste of moveslot? Maybe protect over recover is better for toxic stall. I would:

Bold @ Rocky Helmet @ Regenerator
- scald
- Ice beam
- Toxic/toxic spikes
- Baneful Bunker/infestation

I dont think that burn from scald viable here, burn or toxic is just for stall. I see this thing WITH ferrothorn. We are fucked.

>>29750748
As a stallfag I can say right now that this is my new favorite water type.

>>29769259
>OHKO
Who said anything about OHKO? I'm probably going to run Toxapex as a defensive wall (and with five other mons obviously), but the sheer idea of doing 300BP of anything to anything is pretty impressive.

Not to mention,
>Merciless or Regenerator
>Black Sludge or Assault Vest or Rocky Helmet
>Offensive or Defensive or Stall builds
>335-438 DEF and 313-416 SP. DEF
>Infestation and Critical Payback
>Really only needs Lightningrod support

And if you really want to make things interesting,
>Skill Swap
>Sylveon with Merciless
>Toxapex with Cute Charm

>>29770089
>Is recover with a ability that recover when switching viable? Isnt that just waste of moveslot?

There's a reason Slowbros, Regenerator Reuniclus, and Tanky Ho-Oh's use Slack Off, Recover, and Roost, respectively. It's the same reason as why Tangrowth and Amoonguss use Giga Drain and Leech Seed.

Regenerator is fantastic, but it doesn't replace actual on-demand healing. Recover is pretty much mandatory on this thing.

>>29770089
baneful bunker is it's version of protect. Personally i don't think it makes sense to make a set without it. And yeah if everything is getting poisoned i don't think scald will have a chance to go off but it's highly dependent on party build too.

>>29769259
It would just get finished off by the poison at that point.

>>29769259
Well.
>>29768789

Not only that, but how many other Fairy Pokemon besides Florges and Mega Gardevoir are going to have 130+ Sp.Def anyway? Seriously. Pretty much every Fairy Pokemon with similar Sp.Def has much less than 95 HP too.

Just because it doesn't beat Sylveon in one shot doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things. If it doesn't kill it that turn, it's going to use Baneful Bunker the next and/or Sylveon will die of poison at the end of the turn. More likely, they'll switch out and you will too so that you can avoid an unfavorable match up. It's not nearly as bad as you're making it look.

>>29765019
yes, but toxic is more useful as they may not use contact moves. im guessing baneful bunker has less pp than protect as well.

>>29770089
>Isn't that just waste of moveslot?
Depends on the Pokemon really. Mienshao can abuse Regenerator on its own since you get U-turn, i.e.,

>Hi-Jump Kick/Power-Up Punch
>Bounce
>U-turn
>???

But even then I would make the 4th move Drain Punch.

Anything that doesn't have a switch-out move though, you want some sort of on-demand recovery. Toxapex does have near Aegislash-tier defenses, but keep in mind it only has 35 base speed. Once you know you need to recover, you're probably not going to be fast enough to pull it off.

If you're 100% against using a recovery move on it though, I'd at the very least throw a Black Sludge or a Shell Bell on it or something. Or Quick Claw if you're trying to be more offensively-defensive - better chance of using Baneful Bunker (and other things for that matter) first than relying on your own Speed stat.

>>29770396
Except the point isn't that it can't kill Sylveon - the point is that despite all this power for this move (it's essentially a BP 585 when used in a Fairy Type), it can't do that much damage. Against a regular tank with similar stats but not fairy type, it needs a turn of setup and then it doesn't even reliably 2HKO them.

On top of that, Steel, the most common defensive typing, puts a complete and utter stop to this thing if it goes the attacker route.

It's a neat idea, but it's not going to work. Maybe if it had 70 Sp. Atk, or if crits did 2x still instead of 1.5, but as is its a lackluster attacker.

>>29770493
>but toxic is more useful as they may not use contact moves

Not with Infestation, Recover, and Regenerator it isn't.

So if Toxapex and Ferrothorn are going to be a core, we need a Ground resist as well - who gets to join the core?

>>29756854
you are so fucking lame

>>29770396
You forget that if Sylveon switches out, it allows you to Toxic whoever comes in, setup Toxic Spikes, or Recover damage depending on what set you run.

>>29770949
>Steel Type switches in

Could somebody post the stats to the water spider? I've heard its pretty awful but I wanted to see why.

>>29770870
Gengar.

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>>29750798
>assault vest on a support

>>29770870
Landorus of course lol

>>29770870
golipod

>>29771258
not with that ability he don't

>>29770756
>but as is its a lackluster attacker
I don't think the point is being a great attacker, but stalling while also doing decent damage to most things.

>>29750748
>>29750748
>-crazy defences
Amazing ones!

Not considering edge cases like Night Shade, Pain Split, Mirror Coat and Wish, with 252 HP EVs, 50 HP/152 Def/142 SpDef
is almost equal to 100 HP/ 202 Def/ 189 SpDef. Mew only has 100/100/100 (nearly half as much) defenses and does not absorb Toxic Spikes nor is immune to Toxic.

>>29770870
Mantine

>>29771742
you kinda need something which can reliably check breloom and ground types (who pack stone edge 99% of the time)

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>>29770870
>>29770870
Well there really aren't a lot of single-type mons defensive enough to round out the trio and the only things that resist Ground together are Bug and Grass and I think we all know how well that would go.

I vote Cradily.
>Hit neutral by Toxapex's Ground weakness and Ferrothorn's Fire weakness
>Toxapex resists its Bug and Steel weaknesses (which will probably be contact moves, so Baneful Bunker)
>Ferrothorn takes neutral damage from its Ice and Flying weaknesses (which will probably be physical, so Iron Barbs)
>Cradily can set up Stealth Rock to cover 3/4 of its weaknesses and weaken other threats for Ferrothorn/Toxapex

>>29771798
>Flying weakness
Meant Fighting. But Toxapex resists that instead.

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>>29771182

>>29758945
I love this thing so much. Its evolution is so ugly though

>>29771798
>Toxapex brings Toxic Spikes
>Ferrothorn bring regular Spikes
>Cradily can Stealth Rock
Seems like it has potentially.

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>>29750748
Is 50HP a problem bros?

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>>29771798
>Curse Cradily
>Regenerator Toxapex
>Ferrothorn
Literally what could kill this disaster stall trio?

Oh shit, wait, I forgot about Salazzle.

>>29751453
>no bulk
>no speed
>Ice
lel

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>>29771956
>Ferrothorn used Bulldoze!
>Cradily used Bulldoze!
>Cradily used Earthquake!

>>29771798
shitmon
repeat after me: LANDORUS

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>>29772434
>dies to Ice
You take your Land 'O Lakes and shove it somewhere else.

And furthermore, if we're aiming for something with a Ground immunity with STAB Ground for coverage, you may as well use something that could actually benefit from being poisoned in the event that Magic Coat or Synchronize end up being a thing.

tangrowth is a realistic partner for toxapex. ever since its stats got revealed, its been my absolute fave mon. its probably the only one (barring ultra beasts) that i can say has a secured spot in ou. anyway tangrowth covers ground/electric moves, and toxapex helps with ice, bug fire and resists poison. but cant really pressure opposing poisons. add a steel type for flying/psychic(and dragon) moves and you have yourself a core. double regen is good in general, toxapex is a very good toxic spikes user and im honestly interested in seeing them paired with celesteele of all things despite the fact that it doesnt have any recovery. anyway this urchin is by far the best ou mon introduced without screaming "op insta ubers". also you guys should stop trying to make offensive sets work with this thing. if you dont take regen you're stupid

>>29755906
I saw a pastebin link on the board a while ago, try to ctrl+f it in the catalogue

>>29771950
no, still has a total bulk better than amoongus

>>29769604
I feel toxic+protect is less reliant on your opponent using attacks that contact, and the rng of liquidation's defense drop (despite the damage from liquidation most likely being higher overall if your opponent doesn't resist it)

they're both solid options.

>>29751453
>slow ice type with barely any bulk
For fuck's sake Gamefreak.

>>29751946
>There's probably some cheesy shit you can pull with bunker and venoshock, 120 BP with stab and crit will definitely hurt even off it's poor stats.

252+ SpA Life Orb Qwilfish Sludge Bomb vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Sylveon on a critical hit: 218-260 (108.4 - 129.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Taking Qwilfish for STAB
modified sp. atk stat and sludge bomb BP to 130 (upgraded venoshock)

note that it has to full sp. atk @life orb to work, and it barely gets a OHKO. Im guessing that Regenerator is the best option in here with a stat reducing oriented moveset (new water type move and other shits)

>>29773332
how about

>ice fighting type
>with mach munch
>is slow
>doesnt get ice shard or mach punch

Why do we ever even bother with these fucking retarded japs?

>>29775710
>Alolan sandslash doesn't get ice shard
>Alolan Vulpix does

It's like they are just fucking with us.

>>29759292
Bonafide retard

What program are you using to view these, OP? Also why the fuck is everything slower than sin in this gen?

>>29776307
>>Alolan sandslash doesn't get ice shard
IT'S COVERED IN ICE SPIKES
WHAT THE FUCK