Base stats thread

Bump.

Sea Urchin just got 150 defense and 140 special defense

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>>29746324
WHY IS EVERYTHING SUB 80 SPEED. WHAT THE FUCK

>>29746415
Yeah, I noticed too, plenty of really slow pokémon

VIKAVOLT HAS 145 SPA

>>29746324

Jesus. Everything has shit shit speed.

>>29746324
Source please?

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>>29746324

>vikavolt
>43 speed

Fuck off with your fake leak shit

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>>29746324
>(Vikavolt): 77/70/90/145/75/43
>77/70/90/145/75/43
>43
>FORTY FUCKING THREE


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>29746437
>43 speed

>Mimikyu isn't a shitmon
>Comfey somehow isn't either
Based af desu. Not sure what's up with everyone being slow tho

>>29746324
>#798 ([UB-## Blades]): 59/181/131/59/31/109
Oh god

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>>29746324
>this entire dex

This Gen is a fucking Trick Room Gen

>>29746435
It gives me hope that theyre changing speed mechanics but i dont know what that would accomplish

>>29746415
Alola is the land of Trick Room.

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>Ribmobee with 95 Sp. Attack and 124 Speed

Based Bee. I'm so happy.

>Pyukumuku: 55/60/130/30/130/5

This is some kind of joke, right?

>>29746324

Do we know the base stats of the alolan forms yet??

>>29746467
>>29746458

>ribombee has 124 speed

Honestly think OP got some shit mixed up

>Vilavolt has 43 Speed
Unless they made a mon with Trick Room as a HA, they most likely nerfed EVERY mons's Speed stat. No seriously, what ?

Are Charjabug, Type: Null, and Cosmog2 good with Eviolite?

>Ultra Beast's BSTs are 570
that's...disappointingly low

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>>29746324
>Vikavolt
>43 Speed
At least I can add it to my Trick Room team.

>>29746501

I guess they didn't want innards out to be too broken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCDJrMTLF80

>>29746537
Fuck this guy is just making shit up. Fuck this fake leak

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>>29746324
>everything except Salazzle and Lycanroc is slow as fuck

>>29746415
Will VGC have a single pokemon from Sun/Moon in the finals? Maybe one of the priority stoppers?

>>29746324
>vikavolt 43 speed
>4
>3
>speed
fuck this slow ass gen

>>29746483
>that Atk stat
What
The
Living
Hell

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>5 speed

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>>29746324
>Golisopod is shit

>Vikavolt's speed

Also, post source, you nigger

Do we still not know the names of the unrevealed Pokemon ?

>>29746415
Slower than sinnoh confirmed

>>29746324
>Vikavolt
>43 speed
WHAT
THE
FUCK

HOW IS IT SLOW JUST FUCKING LOOK AT IT

>Baby Legendary
>130 dual defenses
>Eviolite
>legendary tier movepool

That isn't okay.

Real stats when?

>>29746493
in4 Z-trick room which activates trick room for the entire match

Are alolan form pokemon stats the same as normal form?

>>29746536
yeah but most are really minmax, sort of like deoxys

>>29746595
We do. That's the strange part.

so Dhelmise is just another Trevenant? stats look awfully similar.

>Crab UB has 223 base HP
Holy fuck

>Pyukumuku
>Has an ability to deal damage based on his HP left
>Has 130/130 defenses and shit HP

WHAT THE FUCK GAMEFREAK

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>>29746610
Fuck OP desu. He doesnt even know the names like golisopod. Hes pulling this shit out of his ass.

Tsareena and Bewear look pretty good and Oricorio is surprisingly decent for a single stage. I'm satisfied.

some of those UBs are indeed pretty fucking ultra

>>29746595
We do. Which is why those stats are fake. They just changed the Pokemons' stats we know to the real stats we got today.

Use your brain, retards.

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>(Silvally): 95/95/95/95/95/95
I was hoping for at least 100 on everything. This one's rather disappointing.

>(Turtonator): 60/78/135/91/85/36
A little disappointed, but at least it's a good defensive typing. Hope it comes with recovery.

>(Drampa): 78/60/85/135/91/36
Surprised the Special Attack is so high, but so slow and overall unimpressive bulk.

I'm a little underwhelmed.

That second stage Cosmog form is going to be amazing with Evolite. If it has any form of hazards/debuffing, its going to be a big fucking troll in UU.

>source: my ass

These are fake the dataminer said he'd upload it on YT

#745 (Lycanroc): 75/115/65/55/65/112

Straight to OU YAYY!!!

>>29746672

>monstrously buff mosquito, only slightly stronger than heracross
>ub beauty is supposedly incredibly fast and can dodge lightning. 103 speed
>223 hp
>181 attack along with 109 speed

Along with the fact that this doesn't even know the pokemon names, I'm calling supreme bullshit on this

>>29746567
Ribombee is faster than both.

NO FUCKING SOURCE
>NO FUCKING SOURCE
STOP BEING RETARDED /vp/
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>>29746704

Wasn't it officially confirmed that silvally's defenses would go down when it evolved? Or was that a fan theory

90% of this dex is going straight to NU and below
Not counting UB and legendaries I see like 3-5 mons that might make it to OU at best

>koala 65 speed

even the comatose koala is faster than 80% of the dex. what the fuck.

There's no fucking way this is real. It would make all of our starters suddenly look fast.

#754 (Lurantis): 70/105/90/80/90/45
#763 (Tsareena): 72/120/98/50/98/72
Lurantis is outclassed in its own gen what the fuck

>>29746483
Sweet fuck it looks like someone took a randomizer to this thing's stats jesus christ

Read before posting:
>OP makes fake stats
>We get stats today
>OP replaces fake stats with the real ones
>Most of those are fake
>/vp/ eats it up

>>29746802
yeah I was thinking the other night that it would be funny if they decided to slow down the meta and just wound up making a bunch of useless pokemon

>>29746483
Blades are Wires looks pumped as hell, if what were seeing here is real

I refuse to believe Mudsdale has 35 speed.

>>29746878
This. Fuck this underage ass board

>>29746324
>There is no 100 across the board Mew clone for the 20th anniversary
Wtf? Where the fuck is my Mew Clone? Why isn't it Magearna? Or Marshadow?
Why is Marshadow faster than almost every new Pokemon? And where is Wishiwashi School Form?

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so...

the alola version of kanto pokemon keep the smae stats?

>>29746324
>Guest
Get this fake bullshit out of here. Those speeds are ridiculous.

>>29746792
#772 (Type: Null): 95/95/95/95/95/59
#773 (Silvally): 95/95/95/95/95/95
Speed goes up, but everything else is the same. Everybody had been predicting frail sweeper stats with decent 110 speed or so. Still usable enough thanks to its typing gimmick I suppose, but not in a sweeper role.

>>29746501
>>29746659
You've been rused. The leaker clearly had no idea how Pyukumuku works.

Also seems he was in such a rush, he didn't bother changing the names of the fairly recently revealed Pokemon.

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>>29746970
Also we're missing a certain someone

Fake and gay.
>Wimpod evo
We know the names now, at least try.

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>>29746638
>mfw Z-trick room has positive priority

Lol'd at 223 HP for Mr. Krabs. Shit is hilariously fake.

>>29746415
It's like you people never touched fifth gen.

Do Lunala's actual stats match up with those?

>>29746324
>Tsareena is Physical
>Passimian has 80 Speed
>Toucannon is slower than Pikipek
>Vikavolt is stronger than Volcarona but that 43 Speed is too bad
>Mudsdale and Crabrawler2 lose Speed upon evolving
>Lycanroc is pretty fast for a Rock type but a low 112 Attack paired with STABs that might fail (besides Accelerock) is not the best combination
>Palossand is not that strong like we thought but at least its Defense is high
>Pyukumuku is literally Shuckle 2.0 and while its HP is higher than Shuckle's 20, it is not that high to abuse Innards Out
>Type: Null's base stats are 95 all across but by a strange reason its Speed is 59, and when evolves into Silvally all stats are kept but Speed rises to 95 (Windows 95)
>Minior looks like a worse Aegislash with 100 defenses instead of 150, and 60 offenses instead of 50
>Mimikyu is a Physical attacker with high Sp. Defense... *sight*
>Kommo-o is a Physical Go.o.dra
>Tapu Koko is Physical
>Solgaleo and Lunala's Physical and Special stats are switched and they are as low as Xerneas and Yveltal
>UB-02 Beauty is the fastest "Pokémon" introduced on Gen VII with 151 Speed
This generation was pretty dissapointing stat-wise

If somebody has the time can you caculate the average speed of all of the pokemon this gen.

>>29746501
>HP base 55
Thought the trailer showed HP way higher than what base 55 maxes out at.

>>29747166
>>Tsareena is Physical
The pastebin is probably fake, but you have to be retard to think Tsareena is going to be Special.

> Random pastebin
> Datamined stats but doesn't know the Pokémon names

Don't fall for it anons

>>29747267
you're really setting yourself up for disappointment.

Vikavolt 77/70/90/145/75/43

W-why? What have I done to you Gamefreak?

>>29747248
no actually 55 is about right

>>29746324
everything is slow as fuck

>>29747267
It's real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkFsQfnYZk

>It's real
WHAT THE FUCK

Do we know if they edited previous gen Pokémon stats?

I'm wondering if Alola is slow as fuck or if there was an across the board speed adjustment.

IT'S REAL HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>29747370
Well fuck me then. Going to go kill myself.

>>29746415
Aloha people want to take it easy due to hot climate, unlike productive workaholic Kanto/Johto/Hoenn/Sinnoh.

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>mfw Silvally
At least Mimikyu is faster than expected

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>>29747370
oh my fucking god

>>29747214
Yeah, why not. I'll do the other stats too if I have the time.

Average base speed this gen is 63.

Surprised how high Komala's Attack stat is - 65/115/65/75/95/65

>>29747370
>Lurantis gets Contrary

neato

>>29746324
>Litten
>70 Speed
>Torracat
>90 Speed
>[Torracat Evo]
>drops all the way down to 60
I barely started reading the list and it already seems way to suspicious.

>>29746483
literally stronger than Primal Groudon

>>29746324
Shiinotic is shit ;_;

SO ZETTA SLOW HOLY SHIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y185tWJkC0
>Turtonator gets Shell Smash
Too bad about that speed. About as useful as it is on Torkoal.
>Shell Trap is 150 base power
Noice.

>Mimikyu's ability only works once per battle
Wasn't aware if this was made clear previously, but I'm relieved. Seemed like an obnoxious ability if it reactivated on switch.

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>Toxapex has Regenerator

>>29746324
>everything is slow: the gen

Ribombee learns quiver dance and baton pass. This lil guy has a secured spot in my team.

>#772 (Type: Null): 95/95/95/95/95/59
>#773 (Silvally): 95/95/95/95/95/95

lolwut

>>29747370
>Crab evo gains the ICE TYPE and is still slow as a snail

>Comfey has 100 base speed

H-He's fast!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y185tWJkC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBgKyta1M4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRgB17vr7SQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNPIhIRKsas

>>29747570
>implying Sinnoh pokemon aren't just as slow

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>>29746878
>>29746949
No source they said
Underages and retards they said

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>golisopod's ability does the same thing as wimpod's

JUST FUCK ME GAMEFREAK

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>>29747370
>Wishiwashi
>45 20 20 25 25 40

>WISHIWASHI SCHOOL FORM
>45 140 130 140 135 40

>>29747634
>Decidueye is still only barely above the average

>>29746573
VGC only allows alolan pokémon this season

>>29747900
Are Alolan formes datamined yet? Have their base stats been readjusted as well?

>>29747036
This. I want to know everything about Perfect Zygarde. I'd like to know more about stat changes of older pokemon.

>43
Fucking how? Bugfags got BTFO'ed hard.

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>Golisopods ability

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wew lad

Alola land of slowness

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>>29747900
>Wimpod's abilities:
>Wimp Out: The Pokemon cowardly switches out when its HP becomes half or less
>Wimp Out: The Pokemon cowardly switches out when its HP becomes half or less
>Wimp Out: The Pokemon cowardly switches out when its HP becomes half or less

>Golisopod's abilities
>Emergency Exit: The Pokemon, sensing danger, switches out when its HP becomes half or less
>Emergency Exit: The Pokemon, sensing danger, switches out when its HP becomes half or less
>Emergency Exit: The Pokemon, sensing danger, switches out when its HP becomes half or less

>>29747900
> Anchor is a Ghost/Grass type

Literally what the fuck

>>29748205
YES
YES

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>>29748205
>Mimikyu gets Wood Hammer
okay

>Leech Life actually matches X-Scissor's BP and can restore HP, essentially outclassing it
I'm still amazed by this

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Salandit is the new combee
Look at the gender ratios

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>>29747900
>the user hides in the target's shadow, steals the target's stat boosts and then attacks
Set up sweeper
B T F O
T
F
O

>>29748464
It has a wooden tail if that helps

>>29748205
>Shell Smash
BASED

>>29747900
Cosmoem-2204.4 lbs
It is as heavy as primal groudon amd its only 4 inches tall

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#748 ([[Blue hair purple thing] Evo]): 50/63/152/53/142/35
This is looking really good.
#756 ([Morelull Evo]): 60/45/80/90/100/30
Spore and decent bulk.
#758 ([Salandit Evo]): 68/64/60/111/60/117
I figured this would be a shitmon, but those stats are still pretty good.
#768 ([Wimpod Evo]): 75/125/140/60/90/40
Give it Shell Smash and this could be decent. It's like Carracosta but better in every way other than SpA. If it did get Shell Smash, it would be the hardest-hitting user.
#771 (Pyukumuku): 55/60/130/30/130/5
>Give something the ability to deal damage based on how much health it loses when it faints
>Give it a tiny HP pool and massive defenses
#778 (Mimikyu): 55/90/80/50/105/96
With Sucker Punch/Shadow Sneak/Play Rough/Parting Shot, this could be really good. Shame so much is put into its defenses.
#785 (Tapu Koko): 70/115/85/95/75/130
Confirmed for OU. I just hope we'll get something better than Wild Charge.
#795 (UB-02 Beauty): 71/137/37/137/37/151
#798 ([UB-## Blades]): 59/181/131/59/31/109
#799 ([UB-## Krabs]): 223/101/53/97/53/43
These all look like they could be really strong. Beauty in particular looks like a threat, but 181/109 is nothing to laugh at either with that decent natural physical bulk.

Bewear can learn DORAGON KUROW

>Beast Boost: The Pokemon boosts its most proficient stat each time it knocks out a Pokemon

>Beast
>the Pokemon

Do we know which Pokemon learns Aurora Veil ? I watched the vids but didn't see it in any movepools.

Halving all damage for 5 turns is GOAT and I need the pokemon that can learn it in my team.

>Emergency Exit
lololol

Alolan Forms when?!

>>29747900
Holy shit UBs aint playing around. Those are some fucked up stats

>>29746501
Pyukumuku gets no damaging attacks. It's a further-developed Wobbuffet

>>29748727
It's already a confirmed that they're Pokemon from another dimension and you can catch them.

>in another dimension, every Pokemon is OP as shit and has a better version of Moxie

>>29746525
Type: Null is bulkier than Porygon2. The ability is also really good if it gets something like Cosmic Power. Cosmog2 is very slightly bulkier than Dusclops, which is extremely good - probably the bulkiest pokemon ever. However, its typing looks worse - probably pure psychic like Cosmog, and the bulk isn't THAT much better than dusclops. Whether or not this is good depends on ability and movepool - something like Oblivious would be perfect. Otherwise it's PU like Dusclops.

Holy shit Marshadow is CUTE in animation! And it's Fighting/Ghost! And it's one of the pokemon that were allowed to be fast!

>>29748922
>HARDMODE

>>29748792
https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/learnsets.txt
It's a TM
Jynx
Articuno
Mew
Delibird
Smoochum
Regice
Glaceon
Froslass
Cyrogonal
Alolan Sandshrew
Alolan Sandslash
Alolan Vulpix
Alolan Ninetales

>>29747994
Added Wishiwashi School Form, and

>>29747214
>>29747634
>>29747997
Done.

Average Gen 7 Mon BST
HP - 72
ATK - 86
DEF - 79/80
SP. ATK - 76
SP. DEF - 76
SPD - 63/64

BST 452/454

>>29746760
UB Beauty has 151 speed. You're thinking of UB-01: Best Girl.

>>29748962
AND it has a 90 BP signature attack that steals stat boosts before attacking

>>29749152
Fuck, it doesn't need more good things, any more and it just goes to ubers.

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https://twitter.com/Kaphotics/status/796013713169911814

>Toxapex
>Water/Poison (Immune to toxic, good resistances)
>50/152/142
>Baneful Bunker
>Stockpile
>Recover
>Screens
>TSpikes
This thing is going to be great.

Also, it looks like we finally have a physical water move which outclasses Waterfall - Liquidation (85 BP/100AC/chance to drop defense). Hope it gets good distribution, or else it's a just razor shell/crabhammer situation again.

>>29749469
>Swellow gets +25 SpA
Wtf. Why?

>>29748956
Look at Cosmog's moovepool.

>>29749111
Do you have average BST of other gens for comparison?

Dex entires for the Alolan forms:

Rattata
>When the sun goes down, it becomes active. It runs around town on a chase for good food for the boss of its nest - Raticate.
>With its incisors, it gnaws through doors and infiltrates people's homes. Then, with a twitch of its whiskers, it steals whatever food it finds.

Raticate
>This gourmet Pokemon is particular about the taste and freshness of its food. Restaurants where Raticate live have a good reputation.
>It forms a group of Rattata, which it assumes command of. Each group has its own territory, and disputes over food happen often.

Raichu
>It uses psychokinesis to control electricity. It hops aboard its own tail, using psychic power to lift the tail and move about while riding it.
>It only evolves to this form in the Alola region. According to researchers, its diet is one of the causes of this change.

Sandshrew
>An ancient tradition of Alolan festivals, still carried on to this day, is a competition to slide Sandshrew across ice as far as one can.
>It lives on snowy mountains. Its steel shell is very hard- so much so, it can't roll its body up into a ball.

Sandslash
>This Pokemon's steel spikes are sheathed in ice. Stabs from these spikes cause deep wounds and severe frostbite as well.
>Fleeing a volcanic eruption, it settled on a snowy mountain. As it races through the snowfields, it sends up a spray of snow.

Vulpix
>In hot weather, this Pokemon makes ice shards with its six tails and sprays them around to cool itself off.
>It exhales air colder than -58 degrees Fahrenheit. Elderly people in Alola call this Pokemon by an older name - Keokeo.

Ninetales
>Possessing a calm demeanor, this Pokemon was revered as a deity incarnate before it was identified as a regional variant of Ninetales.
>It creates drops of ice in its coat and showers them over its enemies. Anyone who angers it will be frozen stiff in an instant.

>>29750225

Diglett
>Its golden hairs function as sensors. It pokes them out of its burrow to monitor its surroundings.
>Its head sports an altered form of whiskers made of metal. When in communication with its comrades, its whiskers wobble to and fro.

Dugtrio
>These Pokemon are cherished in the Alola region, where they are thought to be feminine deities of the land incarnate.
>Its shining gold hair provides it with protection. It's reputed that keeping any of its fallen hairs will bring bad luck.

Meowth
>When its delicate pride is wounded, or when the gold coin on its forehead is dirtied, it flies into a hysterical rage.
>This Pokemon was not originally found in Alola. Human actions caused a surge in their numbers, and they went feral. They're prideful and crafty.

Persian
>It looks down on everyone other than itself. Its preferred tactics are sucker punches and blindside attacks.
>Its round face and smooth coat - softer than the most high-class velvet - have made this a very popular Pokemon in Alola.

Geodude
>If you accidentally step on a Geodude sleeping on the ground, you'll hear a crunching sound and feel a shock ripple through your entire body.
>Its body is a magnetic stone. Iron sand attaches firmly to the portions of its body that are particularly magnetic.

Graveler
>They eat rocks and often get into a scrap over them. The shock of Graveler smashing together causes a flash of light and a booming noise.
>Its preferred food is dravite. After it has eaten this mineral, crystals form inside the Pokemon, rising to the surface of part of its body.

Golem
>Because it can't fire boulders at a rapid pace, it's been known to seize nearby Geodude and fire them from its back.
>It fires rocks charged with electricity. Even if the rock isn't fired that accurately, just grazing an opponent will cause numbness and fainting.

>>29749975
>>29749975
it also gets merciless, which makes any attack on a poisoned pokemon become a critical hit

>>29750260

Grimer
>The crystals on Grimer's body are lumps of toxins. If one falls off, lethal poisons leak out.
>A Grimer, which had been brought in to solve a problem with garbage, developed over time into this form.

Muk
>While it's unexpectedly quiet and friendly, if it's not fed any trash for a while, it will smash its Trainer's furnishings and eat up the fragments.
>The garbage it eats causes continuous chemical changes in its body, which produce its exceedingly vivid coloration.

>>29749469
didn't ledian get buffs? not on here

>>29750024
It has some special based movesets with Boomburst.

>>29750277
That plus venoshock could be really good on literally anything else. I think it's too slow and has too poor offenses to really take advantage of that. Hopefully some older mons' HAs get replaced.

>>29750024
To Spam Boomburst.

>>29750024
it gets boomburst
stab scrappy boomburst

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>>29750225
>>An ancient tradition of Alolan festivals, still carried on to this day, is a competition to slide Sandshrew across ice as far as one can.
Top kek

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Is he viable?

>>29749469
>Dugtrio
actually meta-changing for fucking real here

>Vanilluxe and Beartic
welcome up to UU and niche-OU!

>Volbeat
This pokemon just got a whole lot more viable (already was in a bare niche)

>Masquerain
Masquerain fans must be LOSING THEIR SHIT right now. No one else has a reason to care still.

>>29750424
all depends on whether or not receiver works when switching in or only if hes already in the battle when they faint

https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/learnsets.txt
Learnsets of all Pokemon.
>tfw none of my favorite mons got anything new

>>29750496
What does Smart Strike do?

>>29750663
its a faint attack clone with 70 bp, i assume which is because of scizor who wouldnt ever even use it
gamefreak is dumb

>Nebula

>Cosmoem
>Protostar

>Solgaleo
>Sunne

>Lunaala
>Moone

>UB-01: Nihilego
>Parasite

>UB-02: Buzzwole
>Swollen

>UB-02: Pheromosa
>Lissome

>UB-03: Xurkitree
>Glowing

>UB-04: Celesteela
>Launch

>UB-05: Kartana
>Drawn Sword

>UB-06: Guzzlord
>Junkivore

>UB-07: Necrozma
>Prism

>Marshadow
>Gloomdweller/Djinn

BELLOSSOM GETS QUIVER DANCE
FLYGON GETS DRAGON DANCE

>Everything you liked is SHIT

Why would they do this?

>>29750960
Is that their classifications?

>>29751242
Why would you do that to a Poliwag, Mew!

>>29751296
Yes

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>>29751242

>a bunch of bulky viable pokemon
>people go apeshit over a fire lizard, sun dog or a pink stone being fast thinking they are going to be more viable than bulky just because they got speed yet are going to die in one hit.

HURR DURR SPEED IS EVERYTHING.

>>29751421
theres like ten people on this board that actually know how to play the game, everyone else is 14 and/or retarded, what are you expecting

>>29751242
>guy confirms z moves used on status moves have different effects
>mew went first, nuked a mon and set trick room because he used genesis supernova off of it

jesus christ

Classifications and the Dex entires of Pokemon whose names are first leaked by Lurantis (the Moon player) and the dataminers:

Trumbeak
>Bugle Beak
>By bending its beak, it can produce a variety of calls and brand itself a noisy nuisance for its neighbors.
>It eats berries and stores their seeds in its beak. When it encounters enemies or prey, it fires off all the seeds in a burst.

Toucannon
>Cannon
>Within its beak, its internal gas ignites, explosively launching seeds with enough power to pulverize boulders.
>When it battles, its beak heats up. The temperature can easily exceed 212 degrees Fahrenheit, causing severe burns when it hits.

Crabominable
>Woolly Crab Pokemon
>It just throws punches indiscriminately. In times of desperation, it can lop off its own pincers and fire them like rockets.
>It aimed for the top but got lost and ended up on a snowy mountain. Being forced to endure the cold, this Pokemon evolved and grew fur.

Mareanie
>Brutal Star
>It's found crawling on beaches and seafloors. The coral that grows on Corsola's head is as good as a five-star banquet to this Pokemon.
>It plunges the poison spike on its head into its prey. When the prey has weakened, Mareanie deals the finishing blow with its 10 tentacles.

Toxapex
>Brutal Star
>Those attacked by Toxapex's poison will suffer intense pain for three days and three nights. Post-recovery, there will be some aftereffects.
>Toxapex crawls along the ocean floor on its 12 legs. It leaves a trail of Corsola bits scattered in its wake.

Dewpider
>Water Bubble
>When it comes across enemies or potential prey, this Pokemon smashes its water-bubble-covered head into them.
>It crawls onto the land in search of food. Its water bubble allows it to breathe and protects its soft head.

>>29751565

Araquanid
>Water Bubble
>Despite what its appearance suggests, it cares for others. If it finds vulnerable, weak Pokemon, it protectively brings them into its water bubble.
>It delivers headbutts with the water bubble on its head. Small Pokemon get sucked into the bubble, where they drown.

Shiinotic
>Illuminating
>It emits flickering spores that cause drowsiness. When its prey succumb to sleep, this Pokemon feeds on them by sucking in their energy.
>Forests where Shiinotic live are treacherous to enter at night. People confused by its strange lights can never find their way home again.

Salazzle
>Toxic Lizard
>Filled with pheromones, its poisonous gas can be diluted to use in the production of luscious perfumes.
>For some reason, only females have been found. It creates a reverse harem of male Salandit that it lives with.

Golisopod
>Hard Scale Pokemon
>It battles skillfully with its six arms, but spends most of its time peacefully meditating in caves deep beneath the sea.
>With a flashing slash of its giant sharp claws, it cleaves seawater - or even air - right in two.

Dhelmise
>Sea Creeper
>The soul of seaweed adrift in the waves became reborn as this Pokemon. It maintains itself with new infusions of seabed detritus and seaweed.
>Swinging its massive anchor, it can KO Wailord in a single blow. What appears to be green seaweed is actually its body.

Moves - paste. ee/r/mvJ70
Abilities - paste. ee/r/8LT3s
Items -paste. ee/r/zFXRA
Movepools - paste. ee/r/zYMUr

>>29751506
/thread

>>29751619
>soul of seaweed

Is there anything you can eat in the pokémon world without it coming back to kill you?

>>29750494
It gets Defiant as a hidden ability

>>29751659
Search (!) in the moves for updated old moves.
Flying Press is now 100 base power for example.

>>29746452
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkFsQfnYZk

>>29751619
>Salazzle creates a reverse harem of male Salandit that it lives with
SLUT POKEMON CONFIRMED
IN OTHER NEWS IT GETS DARK AT NIGHT

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>>29749975
Baneful??

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Man, the doubles Metagame is either going to be amazing or absolute shit this Gen.

What are Alolan Raichu's stats??

>>29752462
5 points less of attack/def, 5 points more of spatk/spdef
Fucking nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-mHiR1H-28

Lots of interesting new moves but they have terrible distribution. Some older shitmons have gotten signature moves too like Heatmor getting Fire Lash and Ariados getting Toxic Thread. There's finally a decent new physical Ghost move with 85BP and chance to reduce defense, but it's Alola Marowak exclusive.

>>29751659
ok, I'm an idiot, can somebody explain how this link works?

>>29752820
Remove the space between paste. and ee. Couldn't post without 4chin detecting it as spam.

>>29751242

Literally a purple colored Meggido

>Kommo-o
>75/110/125/100/105/85

BRO

>>29753193
That's the stat distribution of every designated strong Pokemon this gen.

>>29746525
Is Cosmog2 the official name?

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>>29751728
I'm new in this meta thing, is that good?

>>29753407
No.

>>29746415
>Muh speed metagame.
It was about time things were more slow and bulky.

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>>29751565
>It aimed for the top but got lost and ended up on a snowy mountain.
holy shit

>>29750960
>Guz-zlord
>Necro-zma
Fuck.
So much for trying to avoid story-related spoilers.

>>29746324
the cuter you are ,the greater the gen

>>29753636
>>29751565
so Crabominable are not the champions of its race who reached their goals and enlightment, but the result of natural selection

>>29751619
why is the word "harem" being used in Pokemon

>>29753745
Because there is now a literal female pedophilia Pokemon.

>>29751565
>>It aimed for the top but got lost and ended up on a snowy mountain. Being forced to endure the cold, this Pokemon evolved and grew fur.
Crabrawler evolves?

>>29746932
It's not a race horse, it's a draft horse.

>>29746848
Lurantis has Leaf Storm+Contrary

>>29748058
Only gets double base HP, so 708 total stats with useless Power Construct ability.

>>29753859
Yes anon. We knew for a while now. Don't tell me you were one of those people that thought it and Crabominable would be counterparts like the Hitmons.

>>29750109
Sure, here's everything for 'ya.
>Gen I
HP - 76
ATK - 88
DEF - 78
SP. ATK - 79/80
SP. DEF - 83
SPD - 81

BST - 485/486
Best Stat this Gen - ATK (88)
>Gen II
HP - 83
ATK - 78
DEF - 85
SP. ATK - 72
SP. DEF - 85
SPD - 66/67

BST - 469/470
Best Stat this Gen - DEF (85) / SP. DEF (85)
>Gen III
HP - 76
ATK - 85
DEF - 79
SP. ATK - 79
SP. DEF - 79
SPD - 72

BST - 470
Best Stat this Gen - ATK (85)
>Gen IV
HP - 81
ATK - 93
DEF - 87
SP. ATK - 85
SP. DEF - 83/84
SPD - 77/78

BST - 506/508
Best Stat this Gen - ATK (93)
>Gen V
HP - 83
ATK - 96
DEF - 81
SP. ATK - 81
SP. DEF - 78
SPD - 80

BST - 499
Best Stat this Gen - ATK (96)
>Gen VI
HP - 81
ATK - 82
DEF - 85
SP. ATK - 85
SP. DEF - 87
SPD - 78/79

BST - 498/499
Best Stat this Gen - SP. DEF (87)
>Gen VII
HP - 72
ATK - 86
DEF - 79/80
SP. ATK - 76
SP. DEF - 76
SPD - 63/64

BST 452/454
Best Stat this Gen - ATK (86)

>"An Average Gen"
HP - 79
ATK - 87
DEF - 82
SP. ATK - 80
SP. DEF - 82
SPD - 74

BST - 484

Alola IS slow, but Pokemon in general are too.

>>29754547
Can you cut all unevolved pokemon from the calculation? Fully evolved is what matters.

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>>29754547
>Alola IS slow, but Pokemon in general are too.
>The only generation that comes close to rivaling Gen VII in average speed is Gen II, the Stall Generation
>Even then, Gen VII is still slower

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>>29746661

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>>29746483
>it gets swords dance

>>29747900
yes

>>29749047
>no Aurorus
>NO AURORus

>>29746324
I thought Incineroar had 100+ speed.

>>29757496
Anon, I...

>>29749469
>woobat got a stat boost
>not swoobat

>>29747831
His hat is heavy! HEAVY!

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MY BRO LYCANROC HAS DEM STARAPTOR STATS

>>29746483
>Nothin' personnel, kid

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>>29754588
Yeah, hadn't taken that into consideration when I was doing the math.

Here's everything without NFEs - I already took the unevolved mons out of the Gen 1-6 totals. And if you take the UBs out of the Alola's BST you get:
>HP - 76
>ATK - 96
>DEF - 92
>SP. ATK - 87
>SP. DEF - 93/94
>SPD - 70

>>29758630
I knew this gen looked attack-heavy! Thanks anon.

>>29758630
How come the average speed isn't low? I was expecting it to be the slowest gen.

>>29759785

A bunch of Alola is around 65-70 with a few extreme outliers at 100+

>>29759785
UBs fucking shit up

>>29759785
The UBs literally increased or decreased most of the stats by at least 3 points. Guzzlord alone is responsible for 3 of Alola's base HP points.

On top of that the things that are fast (Salazzle, Comfey, Lycanroc, Ribmombee, etc.) are fast enough to balance out some of the slower mons.

To put things into perspective, Decidueye and Litten are the average speed of anything introduced this gen.

Team help thread?

>Decidueye (Grs/Gho)
78/ 107/ 75/ 100/ 100/ 70

>Ribombee (Bug/Fai)
60/ 55/ 60/ 95/ 70/ 124

>Lycanroc (Roc) Midday Form
75/ 115/ 65/ 55/ 65/ 112

>Toxapex (Psn/Wtr)
50/ 63/ 152/ 53/ 142/ 36

>Mudsdale (Gnd)
100/ 125/ 100/ 55/ 85/ 35

>Drampa (Nrm/Dra)
78/ 60/ 85/ 135/ 91/ 36

WHY DO THEY KEEP MAKING THINGS SLOWER WHEN FULLY EVOLVED!!!

>>29753536
You obviously have not played anything competitive Pokemon.

I read that Dodrio got a stat boost and new moves

>>29760470
+10 to speed

>>29748102
At least Bugfags still got a new speedy waifumon with Quiver Dance and unique typing.

>>29760122
Sure bro let me help you out

First, you should pick Primarina for that 126 SpA 117BP 100acc water move
Then, drop Mudsdale and Drampa for Minior (shell smash/power herb/Acrobatics/Edgequake) and Shiinotic (Strength Sap/Spore/Grass Knot/Moon Blast)

There you go, you're welcome.

>>29760648
>Power herb
white herb*

>>29746324
>#802 (Marshadow): 90/125/80/90/90/125

wtf I love gamefreak now

>>29750024
Boomburst / Heat Wave / Air Slash.

>>29752962
Golden Sun?

>>29760648
>you should pick Primarina

Delete this

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>>29746324
>Sea Cucumber gets Unaware and 130 def/spdef
Is this the new shuckle?

>>29761006
No, it gets absolutely nothing in terms of Move Pool.

>>29761006
>99% of its movepool is recovery, support, or suicide
I'm not even sure Pyukumuku is sure what it is.

>>29761006
It LITERALLY can't use unaware because it was nerfed. Unaware now only affects stat boosts WHILE ATTACKING, and it learns zero attacking moves. It's a complete waste of an ability slot.

>>29761387
Well, besides Bide and Counter no.

>>29761500
Neither of which factor in stats at all.

>>29750225
>According to researchers, its diet is one of the causes of this change.
Pikachu as a spice addict is confirmed.

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>>29751619
>Small Pokemon get sucked into the bubble, where they drown.

>>29750496
interesting to see more distribution of parting shot. Alolan persian could definitely make use of it, god knows it can do fuck all else with those stats

>>29749469
>Drizzle Pelipper
>Drought Torkoal
>Sand Stream Gigalith
>Snow Warning Vanilluxe

Well, now we know who's moving out of PU and NU...

jesus christ, toxapex gets a poison inflicting spiky shield... Baneful Bunker and its ability makes it auto crit against poisoned targets...

>>29759896
>Decidueye
Get rid of it

>>29760648
>117BP 100acc water move
The sound-to-water ability almost certainly does not increase power and is therefore entirely worthless. All the type-iate abilities got extra text indicating that they boost power, this one (which is not a type-iate at all to begin with) did not.

Enjoy your Torrent

>>29761843
>The sound-to-water ability almost certainly does not increase power
this is wrong

>>29761719
Also gets venoshock. Turn one protect and poison. Turn two 120 BP autocrit. This dude is gonna be based

>>29761859
It's true. You're the one making assumptions about extra unmentioned features, friendo.

>>29761843
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Refrigerate_(Ability)
>Normal-type moves become Ice-type moves.
etc
You wrote a lot of text just to be wrong. Sad!

>>29761893
>53 Sp. Atk

I like the idea of being able to autocrit as much as the next guy, but Toxapex isn't going to be a good user of it.

>>29761719
>>29761893
>>29761944
This, Scald + Regenerator is gonna be much more useful.

>Bruxish
>92 speed

These fucking stats

>>29761893
He's going to be based, but that's because he's a defensive as fuck Regenerator / Scald user with an Auto-Poison Protect. NOT because he can hit people with his 53 Sp. Atk stat.

>>29761905
Can you play spot the differences in this exerpt of the Sun/Moon text dump?

>All the Pokémon’s moves become Normal type. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
>Normal-type moves become Ice-type moves. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
>Normal-type moves become Fairy-type moves. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
>Normal-type moves become Flying-type moves. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
>Normal-type moves become Electric-type moves. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
>All sound-based moves become Water-type moves.

Keep closing your eyes and yelling though, it is certain to change reality.

>>29762135
this is wrong

>>29761905
It's not even a type-iate ability, and it has different text ingame to support it. Maybe you should read posts from now on.

>>29762202
>>29762188

>>29749047
Jynx with Lovely Kiss and Aurora Veil is pretty tight. Also Regice is immortal now

>>29762188
>>29762210
https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/gametext.txt
It's okay man. Cry as hard as you need to. Take your time.

>>29762234
>>29762188

>>29757496
drops from 90 to 60 - the first time such a major change has happened for a starter.

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>>29751619
>If it finds vulnerable, weak Pokemon, it protectively brings them into its water bubble.
>Small Pokemon get sucked into the bubble, where they drown.
I'm getting mixed messages here.

>>29762228
It only works when used in hail.

>>29762294
so... basically it's only gonna be handy on snow warning pokemon? though I suppose most mons with snow warning need the defense given by AV

>>29762715
It would be handy on Snow Warning pokemon if any of them learned Aurora Veil.
It might have some use in doubles/triples, but it's not likely to be useful in singles - you may as well set up dual screens rather than having to set up hail+aurora veil.

>>29762715
aurorus, abomasnow and now regice iirc

>>29762784
>>29762871
alolan ninetails gets snow warning as its HA iirc, and gets Aurora veil... gonna have to double check though.

>>29751619
>Love Ghost types
>Was planning to use Rowlet from day 1, no other starters appeal to me
>Loved Dhelmise the moment it was first leaked
>Wanted to use both
>Absolutely hate type redundancies

>>29762871
Regice doesn't get Snow Warning. Vanilluxe does.
>>29762939
You're right about that, so I guess there is one viable user. Shame it's so slow - I guess you can bring it in with a scarf or something. I wonder if Light Clay works with it.

>>29763011
Well you could always switch one of them out for Trevenant or Gourgeist instead.

>>29748343
>darthvaderyellingnooo.webm

>>29762288
Maybe it just thinks its water bubble will protect small Pokemon but doesn't know they will actually drown.

>>29746785
Look at this retard.

So are the base stats for both lycanroc forms the same?

>>29764011
No I dont remember specifics, but the day form is faster

>>29764011
Midday is faster, lower Atk
Midnight has higher Atk, +10 to both defenses, and less speed

>>29747011
>he thinks it's a ruse

bugs are great finally

GREAT

>>29763617
yeah

>>29747370
So many new shuckles!!