Name a decision that has hurt the franchise worse than this.

Giving birth to you.

rowlet

Gen V in general, just based on the sales.

tfw dont know how to turn it off

Gen 2

>>29708742
Megas.

>>29708742
Hard to think of another active decision as harmful, but had they kept difficulty settings past B2W2, the last four games would have been much, much better.

>>29708742
Not making apricorn balls available in every generation

Really, XP share's pretty tame, you can just turn it off if you don't want to use it.

>>29708742
t. scrub who doesn't play online

Diamond and Pearl.

Ash-Greninja

>>29708742
Professor starting you with 100 rare candies and boosted version of exp share 2.0

>>29708742
Every decision.

>>29708742
No backwards compatibility.
Putting out a second generation on the DS and then making no old Pokemon show up.

>>29708742
exp from capturing, even with the exp share off I end up overleveled thanks to it

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>>29708742

gen 7

>>29708777
yeah, removing poffins was a real bummer

>>29708791
>you can just turn it off if you don't want to use it.

kill yourself.

>HMMMM HOW ABOUT WE HAVE A BUTTON WHICH JUST WINS ANY BATTLE AUTOMATICALLY
>STOP COMPLAINING, YOU DON'T HAAAAAVVVVEEE TO PRESS IT :^^^^^))))))))))))))

>>29708882
I mean, even your heavily strawmanned opponent isn't wrong. Even if the game had a button to automatically roll the credits and make you the champion, you'd still be a retard for pressing it and whining that the game's too easy.

Gardevoir

>>29708882
You talking about the EXP.Share, Megas or Z-Moves?

>>29708882
Donkey Kong Country Returns was a perfectly good game despite having such a mechanic. So was Super Mario 3D World. If you're upset that other people can make the single-player part of the game easier for themselves, you need to work on your priorities. If you're upset that you are able to make the game easier on yourself, I suggest you avoid basically all PC gaming.

>LE EPPIK EXP. SHARE MEME XD XD LEL THE GREEN FROG
>AM I COOL YET

No, you are shitty autismal that should choke on dick.

>>29708742
IV breeding ever being introduced.

No Gym Leader Rematches in Gen 6 like it was in Gen 4

>>29708986
dont cut yourself on that edge, anon-kun

>>29708882
But he is right, you can turn it off and never use it again. And then you can just grind each pokemon individually

>>29709030
At least my edge is not a scat fetish like yours.

>>29708742
Grinding
also
On/Off option. What a nonsense to give me option to play game as i want?

>>29708975
thanks for showing us that all 3 sucks

>there are people in this very thread who hopped on the EXP share hate bandwagon without even knowing WHY it was hated in the first place
The decision was fucking loved when it was first announced, because it would make grinding less tedious without making the game too absurdly simple. Then we found out they took out the scaling EXP, which completely negates that benefit and enhances the negatives.

The complaints were NEVER about the EXP share itself, but at the EXP system being returned to the old version when it would have benefited from the gen 5 system the most.

>>29709044
Top quality comeback there anon

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>>29708773
GO HERE
>>>/v/

>>29709079
You can negate it by having party pokemon hold lucky eggs

>>29709008
>>29708982
What becomes a sense of accomplishment becomes self-imposed monotony. Don't pretend like you don't fucking understand.

>>29709104
Grinding levels isn't suppose to be fun anon

It's almost like Exp. All wasn't there since the first game.

Oh.

>>29709129
It's almost like you are not a retard.

Oh.

>>29709124
YES THEY ARE.

>pressing buttons and tapping a touch screen like a zombie for hours is fun!!!

Nothing is fun if you marginalize it into its most mechanistic, boring perspective.

Of course grinding itself isn't fun but putting it into a context of going on a Pokemon adventure filled with challenges which you're trying to overcome, and which you do so through grinding, and thus feel accomplishment, IS fun. It's been fun for 30 years and that's why games keep doing it.

Even then, Pokemon is so easy that you don't even need to grind. The new EXP Share literally just does nothing but deprive you of accomplishment.

>>29709269
Then go play through gen 1 again because GF isn't going back on this

>>29709269
>I imagine cool stuff.
>Too retarded to imagine cool stuff.

Shame.

It's literally a great thing. Fuck you.

I like being able to swap teammates on a whim rather than worry about how many times a Pokemon can make it in a fight to keep its levels up.

I can train a whole new team at once and it feels good.

>>29709324
Unless you're 7 years old, you should be able to swap out pokemon either way retard.

>>29708742
Going 3D

>>29709370
>lv 60 team
>Pull in a lv 15 and a lv 6 Pokemon

GEE, SURE GLAD i'M NOT 7 OR I'D HAVE TO TRAIN THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

>>29708742
Game Freak being too offensively lazy to balance the EXP curve around the introduction of the new EXP Share. The item itself is great, it's the gen 6 games themselves that suck ass.

>>29708773
came here to say this

>>29708773
For how well it and HGSS did when DS pirating was at it's height is pretty good

>>29708742
Giving megas to already powerful and in some cases already overpowered mons like Gengar and of course, fug.

Wait, when did they changed the EXP Share?
I remember in Emerald you had a Pokemon in your party hold on to it and it would only share EXP with that Pokemon. It was the only way I could have Magikarp level up and learn Tackle, other than having it be first and immediately swap it.

>>29710745
Gen 6

>>29709737
that was IV you turkey

>>29708742
/vp/
full of retards like you

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>>29708742
Or rather, NOT making an official Pokemon licensed simulator.

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>>29708767
i feel sorry for you not getting a reply yet
so here's your (you)

>>29708742

IVs.

>>29711100
Gen IV was not that bad.

>>29710745
Gen 1 you got the Exp All and your entire party got an even share of half the experience gained, or some such.

Gen 2~5 it became a held item that split the exp between the pokemon fighting and the one holding it.

Gen 6 returned to the full party experience, except now everyone gets 50% of the experience instead of splitting it evenly.

EVs are also gained in all cases, with some variation.

i remember the exp hare was a late game item befoe gen 6 hell i don't ever remember getting the exp share in gen 1 as a kid.

>>29712174
You get the exp all from one of Oak's guys if you have caught enough pokemon

making it aimed at children.

>>29708773
Worst gen, I'm ready for the heat, gen5fags

>>29708742
Decidueye

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>>29708836
>Putting out a second generation on the DS and then making no old Pokemon show up.
I hope you're happy that it's people like you who are responsible for all the Gen 1 pandering.

>>29709269
Your favorite pokémon game is probably HG/SS then

>>29708742
Gen 4 in it's entirety.
It was a huge step back from 3. Good thing 5 redeemed things.

>>29709269
That's a big stretch just to justify grinding.
That said the EXP share does nothing but enable accomplishment for those players who lack time or patience to grind out a team.

>>29708773
>just based on the sales.
Are you Nintendo? Why the fuck do you care about sales figures rather than the product itself?

Jesus.

>>29708742
just turn it off
if anything this helped it makes completing the dex not a major pain in the ass now

Exp. Share would be useful way later in the game, if you have a team of fully trained mons that you might want to get to 100 and want to finish them all off at once.

>>29713883
He's a Sinnohfetus. Ignore him.
That said if you go by sales like that it's fairly obvious that gen 4 was the one that didn't do particularly well despite being released when piracy on the DS wasn't much of a thing. After all it only sold about 1m over Gen 3.

>>29708742
Allowing smogon to exist

IVs

IVs are tedious, and in genVII they become pointless.

Unlike EVs, there is no opportunity cost with IVs. You either have them all capped (or you have a speed IV of 1 for trick room) or you're at a disadvantage. That's not a significant mechanic for players to manipulate as there has never been a choice other than "do I really feel like doing this breeding grind shit".

GF, being the petulant cunts that they are, is STILL clinging onto IVs despite that players have found ever more ways to ignore this aspect completely via alternate online battle programs and/or just imported fabricated pokemon with perfect IV spreads. These fucking idiots at GF now have some item, which I'm sure you'll have to do some tedious fucking grind to acquire, that just caps all IVs.

The right choice has always been to get rid of IVs, let players grind for EV spreads, as there's actually some decision involved, and then grind to level 50/100 for battle tower/battling other trainers.

How many generations of IVs doing nothing to make the game more fun or the battling a bit deeper will it take before GF stops clinging to old shit?

>>29708773
You Sinnohfetuses are the fucking worst. You're aware that you were all the laughing stock of old /vp/ until you infested the board, right?

Sinnoh is a garbage region and nobody likes Gen 4.

>>29714131
There's certainly more of them now than before but gen 4 is still a laughing stock across the internet.
Hell it's anniversary didn't get nearly as much exposure as the other 3 if Twitter, Facebook and Youtube is anything to go on.

>>29708767
this

>>29708742
Not enough mushroom Pokemon.

Not enough snail/slug Pokemon.

>>29714130
matsudaface.tiff

nigga the exp share is not the problem
the problem is the trainers
I turned the exp share off in xy and oras and they were still piss easy

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>>29708742
>easy games becoming even easier somehow hurt the franchise more than anything else in the entire 20 years it has been around

Don't be retarded, the negative aspects of the games being easier only matter to an incredibly small subsection of the playerbase.

I'd rank the removal of the Game Corner higher than this. Thanks a lot, Europe.

Obtaining 100% xp gain for participating in battle, even when playing set battle, I end up gaining waaay to much xp.
Also never liked breeding Hidden Powers.

>>29714691
Don't blame all of Europe for Germany not wanting people to have fun.

>>29714131
>>29714256
It's gen 6 Kaloshitters

SinnohFetuses don't really exist much

>>29714131
>triggered unovabortion tilts at windmills

>>29714807
Don't try and pan it off on someone else anon.
Pretty much the only thing Sinnohfetuses do is shit on 3 and 5 while denying the problems and bullshit in 4.

Version exclusive evolutions.

>>29714892
Really anon

These are the people who hate Unova today the ones who refer to sales and shit

>>29708742
Exp Share isn't the problem. Unsplit exp for everyone in battle is.
Usually, having 4 pokemon in a fight against, say, lv.7 Paras, would give 25 exp each, 100 total.
Now, it gives 100 exp each. And if Exp Share is on, 50 each for those two who didn't fight

>>29708773

>based on the sales
>sold around/on par with Gen 3, Gen 4 and Gen 6.

What the fuck is with this "Gen 5 is shit" meme?

>>29708742
Either Stealth Rock or giving Drizzle and Drought to non-legendaries. They both ruined the past 3 generations by forcing everyone to build their teams around them. In gens 4 and 6, literally every team had SR and you either needed a spinner or had to base all your decisions (both in team building and in battle) around post-SR damage, and in gen 5, you either had to build a team entirely around one type of weather or build a team that could function perfectly in any type of weather.

Perma-weather was fixed, but SR continues to be a huge problem. Hopefully GF will nerf it in Gen VII, or at the very least Showdown could ban it. Thought that probably won't happen, since the Smogfogs vehemently defend it even though it'd be auto-suspected if it were a new move (see http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/can-we-talk-about-stealth-rock.3585730/)

>>29708742
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:EP117.png

>>29714944
>These are the people who hate Unova today the ones who refer to sales and shit
Exactly. And no one else grasps for reasons like that but the Sinnohfetuses.

>>29714974
>>sold around/on par with Gen 3, Gen 4 and Gen 6.

If you're talking about first mainline games then you are right, but B2W2 sold like shit compared to every other third version/remake. Every Gen sold less than their predecessor until this record was broken by Gen 6, which sold more than Gen 5. This is the reason why GF acknowledges Gen 5 the least out of every generation; it's by far the least popular one.

>>29708742
The fact that there are literally no gorillas 7 generations in. Primeape and Darmanitan are close, but the former is a monkey and the latter is just a vaguely ape-like creature.

>>29712666
Satan trips confirm. Gen 5 is only liked by contrarian snowflakes and thank god that GF will never pander to them

>>29708742
Gen 6

>>29708791
The problem is that it removed something that was very useful and wasn't stupidly unbalanced in the process.

>>29715303
>but B2W2 sold like shit compared to every other third version/remake.
It's the second best selling third version actually.
So that record was in fact broken by gen 5.

>>29715303
>but B2W2 sold like shit compared to every other third version/remake

BW2: around 8.52m
Platinum: around 7.56m
Emerald: around 6.32m

>BW2 out of all the third versions sold the second most, with Yellow being the most with around 14.64m


No, seriously, what is with this "Gen 5 is shit" meme?

>>29713976
>>29714131
>>29714256
>this damage control

It doesn't matter what generation you subjectively think is better. What matters is that gen V wasn't really successful and this is why TPC pretty much pretends it doesn't exist

Can somebody post the genwar bingo image? I lost mine but feel like playing.

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>>29715597
This one?

>>29708773
Reminder that the people that constantly hate on Gen V have never touched the Gen V games. They saw an image of Vanilluxe and said to themselves "yeah that's the worst gen, I'm sure of it."

>>29714691
I thought it was because of Japan's anti-gambling laws (except pachinko, which is totally gambling and everyone knows it)

>>29715789
Nah, slots were first removed in Europe in Plat because of Germany's laws against gambling. After that GF just went, "well if we can't have it everywhere then there's no point".

>>29715821

>>29715683

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>>29715683
>contrarians vanilluxe and garbodor fans
but I really like them anon

Am I the only one enjoying Gen 5 the most ? Maybe it's the fact that it has a sequel that bothers them, but like, the sequel is cool, Join Avenue was god tier, and the region dex was really satisfying to complete.

I don't know, maybe I have shit tastes but it is still my fav gen. (I started with Gen 1 when I was like 5 or 6, dropped at gen 4 because I was an edgy faggot "lulz purkmon is for manchild" and started playing again when I actually realised I had fun playing it.)

>>29715597
>>29715683
>>29715821
The fuck? why's it post the same shit again?

Oh well, thanks for the bingo card, bro.

>>29715874
>Am I the only one
The answer is always no you retards

Samurott.

>>29715916
except for tile guy and dog knees guy

>>29715838
theyre both awful tho lol

>>29715916
Just ignore this part of the post then goddamit

>>29716034
I ignored everything after that part desu

>>29715966
shit on garbodor all you want to but dont touch my bro vanilluxe

>>29715838
I see the icecream hate and I agree. The garbador hate I can understand but don't agree.

But trubbish is fucking adorable, I don't understand that at all.

>>29716083

welp

Hoenn. Hoennfags are the Meleefags of Pokemon.

>>29709737
>>29713883
>>29714131
>>29714974
>>29715773
Holy shit are you fucking salted or what? OP asked us to name something that hurt the franchise more than a change in the mechanics of the Exp Share. I named Gen V because it was the worst selling generation. I didn't make any statement about the quality of the games themselves.

>>29716168
>this game hurt the franchise
>but I don't mean it's bad
Only a sinnohfetus can be this retarded.

>>29708742
>Name a decision that has hurt the franchise worse than this.
In my opinion, Mega Evolution. It was a great concept, and could have really given some older shitmons another chance to shine. But in the end, so many pokemon got it that didn't even need it. Plus, quite a few Pokemon that got it were still shitty even with the Mega Evolution. They kind of perfected the stat distribution in ORAS, but then made the retarded ass decision to give Salamence, Metagross, and other already good pokemon Mega Evolution for no good reason. It's like they had a dartboard with random Pokemon names on it, and just threw darts to see which Pokemon would get a Mega Evolution.

Also this >>29708836
Back when Ruby and Sapphire were released and I found out I couldn't trade over my Gen 1/Gen 2 bros over, I stopped playing Pokemon for quite a while. It wasn't until Emerald when I gave it another chance. I like the EV system now, but back then it was so clunky that I hated it.

>>29708882
>this is a perfectly legitimate argument that pokes a major hole in my issue SO I'LL JUST USE WACKY MEMES TO REINSTATE MY POINT

>>29715229
See >>29715303

>>29715442
>No, seriously, what is with this "Gen 5 is shit" meme?
Just wait until Gen 8 is released. Then people are going to start gushing about how awesome Gen 5 was and how they can't wait for the remakes on the Switch.

>>29709104
That's the thing. No one will ever understand.
If someone imposes a challenge on themselves and succeeds then there's a sense of accomplishment.
However if you just go on to use the default settings and win then there's no sense of accomplishment at all.

You're doing the latter when you should be doing the former which is why you're feeling so unsatisfied.
Alternatively you just didn't like Pokemon which is why you can't enjoy it in the same way one would enjoy, say, Animal Crossing.

I mean what you're doing is the equivalent of playing Mega Man over and over but never once doing a buster only run.

>>29716337
Go sober up, you fucking billiard ball. You realize that you're arguing that the games must be awful to have sold badly?

I think they sold poorly because Black/White only had new mons that were hit and miss, they were the fourth main game release on the DS, and word got out that there wasn't much to do compared to Gen 4. And then not many people bought the direct sequels because they didn't play or like the first ones.

Games selling poorly can and will hurt a franchise. Poor sales don't equate to quality. Okami is one of the most acclaimed commercial flops in gaming history.

>>29716475
Stop trying to force a non existent pattern.

>>29716525
Not forcing anything. Nostalgia is real. You're probably just too young/new to know about it.

Black and White

That or Z-Moves

>>29716515
You do realise what context is right?
And you have re read your post haven't you?

Why are you even attempting to twist it in a way that doesn't make it look like you're shitposting when you've made it so blatant?

Just look at this shit for instance
>and word got out that there wasn't much to do compared to Gen 4

Then there's this
>Okami is one of the most acclaimed commercial flops in gaming history.
Okami is far from the flop you make it out to be especially for a game as niche as that. The only reason people think it is is because people like you seem to think that it and God Hand were the reason Clover disbanded when the reality is that the big names of the studio had left Capcom to form Platinum.

>>29708742
Megas.

>>29716337
you can not be this autistic

Lucario

>>29709079
This. So much this. Thank god we have Gen V's exp scaling back but that still won't confirm the level curve will be good.

>>29716168
>HEY GUYS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ENTIRE GENERATIONS AT ALL BUT THIS GEN SOLD BAD!
Not to mention it never affected the series at all, the norm ate up XY just fine. Go fuck yourself.

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>>29716778
>sold fewer than 600k units in three years
>holds the world record for least successful winner of a GOTY award
>is one of the first results when looking on Google images for commercial flops in gaming
>same for Bing
Go eat an apple, pussy boy.

>>29708773
>what is Gen 3

Fairy
Power creep in general

>>29716922
So the effort and money spent on producing the worst-selling gen had less of an impact on the franchise than minor changes to the Exp Share? Holy shit, go splash some cool water on your face or something, you're getting hotheaded for nothing.

>>29717030
The third-best-selling generation, actually. In terms of sales by gen, 1 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 6 > 5.

>>29708742
this is the best thng ever though?
ev training is better now

>>29717314
You could thank gen I remakes for that

Mega Evolution.

>>29717564
Yep.
If HGSS were ignored, Gen 4 would go from 2nd best to 2nd worst.

>>29717653
What? No, not at all.
Without the remakes is
1 > 2 > 4 > 5 > 3 > 6

If EXP Share was given at the end of the game, would it have been better?

>>29715325
Slaking is a gorilla dude. Just because it evolved from a sloth doesn't mean anything.

>>29717749
I ran the numbers myself. It would go 1 > 2 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 6 if remakes were excludes.

>>29717951
nope
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon

>>29708742
Exp Share is fine. Just turn it off, and it makes post game leveling so much less time consuming.
Problem is Gf neglected to up the difficulty to reflect people using Exp Share, noobs can still beat the game without it and it just makes it even easier

>>29714777
germany was the only country that was ok with the game corner

>>29718008
Ah, my apologies. My numbers were mostly outdated. Thanks anon. You're correct.

>>29708882
grinding doesn't require skill. it's a timesaver.

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Screw the EXP share, they should just make it so that your trainer levels up instead of your pokemon so you never have to grind your pokemon.

>>29715442
>"Gen 5 is shit"

It's not a meme when the majority agrees with it. If anything, saying Gen 5 is good would be more of a meme than saying Gen 5 is bad.

>>29708742
510 points EV system

>>29708742
>EXP. Share
>bad
>hurt the franchise
It's not GF's fault you're so autistic you lack the self control to turn it off, or use it only when needed.

Here's a (You), redditor

>>29708882
So you really do have autism. Thanks for confirming. Bye OP. Be careful when you're around streets, and don't forget to take the meds mommy gives you

>>29718385
this

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The only reason people so vehemently defend the exp share is cause it's useful as shit for competitivefags.

>>29718385
I used to think it was retarded too, but it actually gives some Pokemon a certain level of stat customization (namely in the competitive scene).

>>29708742
Worst things they've done is add Prankster and Gale Wings as abilities. These new priority blocking abilities are dope this next gen doe

>>29716337
>implying good games can't hurt franchises

I like Gen V, but to give an example, SotN killed off the tried-and-true Castlevania formula and replaced it with something completely different. SotN is still a good game, but if you liked the classic formula it irreversably damaged the series.

>>29716515
They sold poorly for 3 main reason

>4th/5th releases on the DS
>literal end of life cycle (3ds already came out)
>pirating on the ds was insane at the time and even Joe did it for BW's release

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/piracy-accounts-for-dropping-ds-sales

>>29718895
I'm going to butt in on this conversation, is that a bad thing?

>>29718960
>is that a bad thing?

Depends on your tastes. Some people don't like Classicvania and love the post-SotN games, they'd call it a good change. Some people love Classicvania and this killed the series for them. It's all subjective. I'm personally part of the latter camp, though I acknowledge there are some good post-SotN games. Regardless of what you like, though, the series has never been the same after SotN.

>>29708742
Ultra Beasts.

>>29716150

That would imply that Hoenn had the best set of games and has a metagame thats still actively being played to this day.

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>>29718384

>majority

>inb4thatbadlyphotoshoppedmetacriticpic

Fairy.
Should've buffed Ice instead.

>>29708742
Mega's, now there's a giant powercreep waiting to be fixed.

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>>29720223
>Being an Icefag

Fairy actually has defensive capabilities which is why it's viable at all. Ice's great offense is nothing but an indirect buff to Water, and even then Fairy serves far different niches than Ice would've ever been able to accomplish without breaking suspension of disbelief

If there's anything Gen VI did right it's the Fairy type. I agree Ice should be buffed, but the upset to two out of some of the greatest offensive types in the game (Dragon and Fighting) was by far necessary

>>29715874
gen 5 was my favorite too, that was before I discovered places like vp lol

>>29708742
Not keeping the Vs Seeker.
Honestly it was such a great tool in LG/FR. I don't know why they just got rid of it after Gen 4.

>>29715172
>le stealth rock is op maymay

Kill yourself stallcuck.

>>29721625
What are you talking about, Stealth Rock hurts offensive Pokemon infinitely more than it hurts defensive Pokemon since it's a type-based thing. Most of the best stallers already resist or are neutral to Stealth Rock, Spikes or Toxic Spikes would be a better option

Stealth Rock does nothing but demonize Pokemon for being certain types into being near-useless pieces of shit

>>29708742
the crutch with an off button for kids to not have a hard time later on in the game?
I dunno seeing as these games are meant for kids that right there is a justified item

>>29715683
Red is worse than every other protagonist, muh sat on a mountain and then lost! :^)

>>29708742
bampo

>>29721934
Doesn't change the fact Red is the only protagonist that ever shows up after his game