DECIDUEYE SLOW SLOW SLOW SLOW

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>>29707631
NOOOOOOO

>>29707631
Pokemon have changed gears across evolution stages before.
I just don't see Decidueye being a tank.

>>29707631
>description mentions speed
>what are differences in stats when evolving

>>29707631
>literally has a nature where it doesn't + or - anything

could be still fast with a good nature.

atk: 35-50
def: 45-60
s.a: 35-50
s.d: 45-60
spe: 25-40

ITS A FUKING SLOW TANK AGAIN, WHY GAMEFREAK WHY ??????????

>>29707668
This
/thread

>>29707631
>There are fags who think Reddit Owl will be better than Tigah Za Dah-ku

I need to laugh at /vp/ for being wrong one last time before the game is out.

>>29707660
This I'm holding out hope for some changes, especially because the middle evolution directly state they need to work though a troubling time to reach their full potential
That said, even if he's a shitmon owlbro has a spot on my team.

>>29707674
its neutral, you didn't play the demo ?

>>29707631
Decidueye could have Emboar level health or more if my calculations are correct..

>>29707668
Yeah just like Escavalier.

>>29707631
HABBENING!!!11!/?!

>>29707697
What do you mean neutral?

>>29707713
nope tepig have 65 base HP but rowlet have better defensive stats, also it's a little bit more slower than tepig

>>29707631
Decidueye will beat Emboar on health, meanwhile Incineroar is actually a cruiser-weight and his speed rapes Greninja.

>>29707788
At level 5 with 31 ivs, a tepig has 23 health... meaning rowlett's HP is as good or better than tepig's.

>>29707668
>What is Pidgeot ?

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>>29707668
>>29707686
>mentions speed

>we have seen Pikachu being the fastest, then Litten, then Rowlet, then Popplio, months ago

>people act like Rowlet being slow is a new thing

>Itt denialists desperate to use rowlet

Just get over it and pick litten instead. Its not that hard

>>29707783
neutral nature, serious, Hardy, Bashful... so yeah it's gonna be a bulky-slower, hope they change when evolves

Does it matter? That's not going to keep me from choosing based owl.

So assuming nothing changes when evolving, is there any chance a good spread and nature will up his speed enough to be at least mildly useful or is he still fucked

>>29707869
It matters to smogonites, anyone else won't give a shit.

>>29707869
But don't you get it, Anon? Unless it's up to snuff for our 1337 SMOGON meta, it's literally not even an option.

Sauce of image? Someone's leaking?

>>29707845
Incineroar is hideous. I'm not picking Rowlet either but I want it to be okay.

>>29707869

those
>>29707886
>>29707894

>>29707904
>>29706364

>>29707894
Someone sounds bitter.

>>29707631
Welp, at least now you fags can't shit on him with your "this gen's boring Greninja" calls anymore.

>>29707944
Glad about that

I don't want my Owlbro being mentioned anywhere near Greninja

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So did anyone remember it's a first stage mon? So who cares if it's slow lets wait for a final evo you fucking retards.

>>29707631
Wait what? You can get the starters in the demo now?

>>29707944
It's not a "Boring Greninja" anymore, it's a lesser greninja aka Zoroark-Greninja.
At least it looks awesome.

My bet is Incineroar will probably have some awesome stats, HA, because Masuda is a fan of Tiger Mask and it will be the next Greninja.
Primarina is good by default because typing.

Then again, if all the starters this gen could be good, that would be awesome.
This is my favorite trio since Gen IV.

>>29707668
There hasn't been a single starter so far that goes that major of a change when evolving. Even ones that change their set up, like Torchic going from Sp. Atk to Attack, only change slightly (Blaiziken's stat distribution remaining about 85% similar to Torchic's). Obviously they don't have to hold to that pattern, but seeing as there's a good reason for why starters don't change much (because they don't want to confuse kids when their cool attacker turns into a tank, or vice versa), I doubt it'll happen this time.

>>29708001
Yes, you have to talk to the policeman 100 times in 5 hours and he will give you one of the starters

>>29708001
No some reviewer posted this

>>29708015
>implying kids pay attention to stats
My original red run consisted of 5 Pikachus and a Charizard

>>29708014
Sugi is the wrestlefag though, not Masuda.

>>29708068
That's what I meant. A kid who's been using his fast attacker to sweep through stuff probably isn't going to pay enough attention to notice that when it evolves it becomes more of a tank, so he'll have more trouble because he'll try to use it the same way. That's why they won't do it.

>>29708032
You know you can't just expect me to believe this in a community that made up Mew being under a Truck, right?
>>29708047
Makes sense. Is there a link?

>>29708102
You think GF cares? They gave elemental punches to Hitmonchan in gen 1 and decided to give it an atrocious special stat.

>>29708085
Really ?
I'm pretty sure Masuda retweeted something for the anniversary, of the first IRL Tiger Mask Wrestler.

>>29707660
It would indeed be quite odd for it to turn out to be a slowmon. Everything about it up to this point has suggested it'd be speed-oriented, not to mention in what universe are archers/dart throwers ever slow?

>>29707631
Just woke up. Who is leaking the game?

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>incredible design
>fucking GHOST OWL.
>Meganium-tier stat spread

OH GOD PLEASE NO

>>29708154
https://archive.nyafuu.org/_/search/tripcode/fFO0IgPFrv8/

>>29708141
Well, if you talk about the tweet everyone always talks about, no. That was Sugimori's account.

rowletfags on suicide watch

>>29708147
I'm sure it'll gain speed when it evolves but not as much as to break 100 or 90 even.

>>29708162
Chikorita is actually faster.
Kek

ITS FUKING MEGANIUM 2.0

WHY GAME FREAK WHY ?

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>don't give a shit about competitive
>don't give a shit about autists having their little starter wars
Sometimes I feel like I'm getting too old for this site and the shitposting. Just let me enjoy my mons in peace.

And there you have it. The reason it turns ghost

>>29708302
It's too early to know for sure lmao

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>>29707660
>>29707668
>>29707691
>>29707848
>>29707882

Fuck this, starters do not change stats, the starter that starts the fastest is always the fastest at the end. The starter with the highest base HP always has the highest base HP at the end. Just look at the stats, there is clearly a pattern, Starters keep the same "shape" of their base stats, early gens were a bit eh on the whole trend, but now it's really concrete.

Face it, Rowlett is going to be slow (ish, this could just be a bad IV one, but it's definitely slower than Litten) bit with high HP and good defenses.

>>29708314
>4chan
>peace

????

>>29707631
One last BTFO for all the haters out there
>not winning with the Pokémon you like

>>29708347
I've been preaching this for weeks.

>>29708123
That's different though, the starter is a teaching tool, it's bad game design to give the player something and then change what it's good at over time. And I mean drastically change it, not change it's attacking stats like Blaziken.

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>>29708347

>emboar has 65 base defense
>tied with sceptile as the lowest
>lower defense than greninja
>same as chespin, chikorita, and squritle

>>29708372
You think the kids will do anything but spam their strongest move? When I used Blastoise I just used Surf, Blizzard, Earthquake and some other move I forget. Screw physical or special, just use super effective moves. Ain't got time for that Reflect or Leech Seed crap.

>>29708445

Nobody ever said that Emboar was good.

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It scares me that i actually take enjoyment from the fact the owl isn't this supposed "perfect" starter/next greninja like many owl fans expected
>>29708347
Well then...

>>29707631
Defensive Grass/Ghost could work, but I fear Gamefreak won't give Roost and Will-O-Wisp.

Anyone ask what nature it is?

No? Okay.

>>29708347
>m-muh patterns

>>29708494
>highest HP of all starters
>highest attack of all starters
>good HA

yeah it's actually very bad.

>>29708526
It's neutral

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Too bad I've never cared about the Competitive potential of my Starter and have always chosen them by what I think looks coolest.
Same reason I picked Greninja really. If anything being viable is just the cherry on top.

>>29707631
common, its a chubby owl

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Reminder Chesnaught has a shit defensive typing and still somehow it's UU, Decidueye's actually a lot better plus two immunities. And inb4 "But Gourgeist is PU !"

>comparing the stats of a two stage to a three stage and with starter stats
Really, its HA is all that matters now.

Also, what's up with the OU fags all the sudden ?

>>29708526
They asked.

It's neutral.

>>29708569
Spiky shield and bullet proof is magic desu.

poor poor fire fox tho

>>29708542

I know it is. That's why nobody uses it. Well that and its shit design.

>>29708522
Typical of GF not giving fitting moves for any of their types or just plain simply cuck lots of Pokemon

Where the fuck is this coming from?

Is Spirit Shackle better or worse now that Decidueye is confirmed not having more than 90 speed?

Reminder:
Dartrix's HP at level 28 with full IVs puts it at the same HP base stat as Grotle

>>29708596
It does damage so it can't be "worse".

>>29708599
>gen 4 remakes cumfyrmed gg lyfe

>lets make another grass/ghost but give it a unique stat spread to shake things up
>haha no its another bulky piece of shit

>>29708580
Like I said, the HA is what will make and break Decidueye (and Incineroar to) at this point. Spirit Shackle has immense potential, but we need a good ability first.

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Just more confirmation that the Ghost typing was an afterthought.

A sneaky stealthy spooky ghost death owl wouldn't be slow and bulky.

>>29708620
I have this bad feeling Incineroar will have something unique and ridiculous. Like a HA that reverses stat changes of other mons on the field.

>>29708619
It's kinda sad, they put so much character and care into their personalities and descriptions but then they give it the same old boring spread that don't even seem to fit the lore. Why is an archer/sniper bulky? Why is a beefy wrestler frail and speedy?

Rowlets final stats
80/70/80/70/80/70

>>29708655
Reverse contrary?

Sounds broken.

Want.

>>29708642
it's ghost because it's slow
as flying it would've had minimum 90 speed
instead they're just copying trevenant and that dumb pumpkin

>>29708679
>dumb pumpkin
fuck you too

>>29708678
Think of the tagteams.

>>29708655
So he rapes Azumarill.

>>29708655
Nah incineroar will Have an ability that doubles any stat moves it uses and it will learn dragon dance By level up

>>29708655
>everyone shat on the owl for possibly being the next grenigger
>everyone will suddenly love the tiger for being the next grenigger
I don't understand.

>post yfw its HA summons Trick Room when it enters the field

>>29708655
If Deci gets Shakeout, it will help a lot cause it can play the SubLeech games plus a really powerfull move on the switch.

Not sure about Incineroar.

>>29708723

Fuck it. I'd be down.

>>29708723
>too fast to make great use of it.

>>29708723
never ever

>>29708710
So... simple.

So is gonna be UU?

PERFECT. right with my favourite mons like nidoking and blastoise.

>>29708710
You mean simple?

>>29707668
>Pidgeot can exceed speeds of Mach-2

>>29708754
The meta is going to change.
We don't know who's staying in UU and who's not.

>>29708765
Mega pidgeot is quite fast tho

>>29708738
>>29708723

That would make it the most divisive starter ever.

>>29708746
And that too may happen.

>>29707845
I'd actually rather use a Pokémon than another human in a fur suit, thanks.

>>29708754

Shit bro those are two of my favorites too.

I don't care much about meta, but that design seems to match any description but bulky to me. Why did they decide it should be defensive, when it looks like that?

>>29708716
They meant that as in GF would market it as the cool one.

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>>29708765
>baits opponets and learns counter
>must be slow and defensive

People should know by now not to take dex/site descriptions as the complete truth yet here we are...

>>29708655
Incineroar's probably getting Moxie.

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>>29708655
DELET THIS

>>29708832
nah I say it will have something to do with tiger mask or wrestling at general. I can see something that will boost your stats if you get low hp or something like that.

>>29708347
How many of your patterns must be broken until you realize Game Freak has been caring less and less about then recently?

Hope you are ready to get BTFO soon.

>>29707683
With one of the worst defensive typings.

Kek. Good job Game Freak.

>>29708015
>MUH PATTERNSSSS

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>>29708786
>mach 2 speed
>had its speed increased from 91 to 101 in gen 6
>mega increases speed to 121 in oras
>still slower than braves bird at 126 speed

>>29708874
>Obviously they don't have to hold to that pattern (...) I doubt it'll happen this time.

>>29708557
Owls aren't really chubby, though. Just incredibly fluffy.

What's wrong with him being a tank?

Since it's Ghost, it will probably learn WoW, and it could get access to Defog, Roost and Whirlwind thanks to it's preevos. Plus, Leech Seed is always there.

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>>29708929
>It's HA is Fluffy.

>>29708929
Not with that speed state.

>>29708832
>>29708859
I can see it learning Sheer Force from it's description as both Torracat and Incineroar where it's said to overwhelm it's foes with so much viciousness that as a Torracat, it's demotivates it's opponent and as Incineroar, it sometimes attacks the trainers.
Fuck, that sound more like Reckless now that I think about it.

>>29708587
Scald is not fitting for Water?

It's always good to be a Water fag.

>>29708949
Nothing really.
It's just that everyone expected the complete opposite.

>>29708859
> Overdrive: bolster Atk and Spe by 20% at 1/3 hp
How booty would it be?

>>29708949
>if it's not OU it's trash
Kind of mentality has infested this board.

>>29708569
>Decidueye's actually a lot better plus two immunities.

How the fuck do you figure this when the game isn't even out yet?

Hold your rapidashes. Remember when people thought Trevenant was good? Kek.

This is not good news, but not all hope is lost.
Let's assume this stats spread o similar and it could work: 100/110/80/90/80/70
>spirit shackle
>will-o-wisp
>roost
>leech seed
>tank the hit
>if opponent is a physical attacker use wow
>if opponent can be a problem for your team use spirit shackle and then switch into a counter
>if opponent is a tank use leech seed
Finally and obviously, if opponent is a Decidueye counter just fucking switch, unless they have Pursuit in that case use wow and pray

>>29708949
>Defog
Sure Anon.

>>29707829
fucking hell gf
Escavalier would have been in my top 10 if he didn't suck so much.

>>29707631
The games were already leaked?

>>29709015
There's a difference between a two stahe and a three stage line especially with starter stats. Trevenant simplify lacks in stats. It has a great movepool and ability, but those stats really made it wasted potential. If Deci gets Stakeout or an even more broken ability (cause hey starter shill) it will make it out (no way OU, but UU definetly).

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>>29708954
>4x fire weakness

Do it GF....DO ITTTT

>>29707631
Give me movepools and HA and then we'll see.
It's pretty obvious Game Freak is gonna give special treatment to the ugly cat, but as long as Decidueye isn't another Delphox I can die in peace

>round and chubby owl
why people are expecting this to be fast

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First time a second stage evolution is so different from the first stage evolution in terms of body type. Honestly im optimistic and its the first time being a denialfag, and I gurantee that we'll be the first wave of denialfags that are actually right.

>>29708973
well I wouldn´t say reckless. Tiger Mask (Manga) doesn´t act reckless. He just acts as a bad guy but he always get disqualified, despite beating his oppenent. So I really don´t know. He make foul plays etc.

So if anyone has a good Idea I am really open to it. I still would say something like getting stat boost after a hp loss, because "shounen".

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>people legitimately thought deciduowl would be OU

>>29708792

>literally has a hoodie and uses a stupid bow gimmick
>calls other people out on furries

Wew

>>29708954
an ember and it's a instant OHKO

>>29709266
Well, I think that Incineroar may have Sucker Punch available to him via breeding or move relearner from that post. I want him to have Knock Off as well, but I suppose I can wait until the deluxe version for Move Tutors.

share the seed faggot

>>29707631
>gay

did they remove the word filter?

The same rowlet in OP's pic is now level 14 has these states:
HP: 46
Att: 21
Def: 21
Sp.att: 21
Sp.def: 23
Spd: 17

>>29709388
CUT MY LIFE UP INTO PIECES

>>29709260
Samurott and Dewott don't have a similar body type, the barely look related

>>29709341
I'll share my seed with you anon :)

>>29707716
>This one example of a mon no one cares about completely disproves that Rowlet changes around its largest stats during evolution

>>29709436
[email protected]

thanks anon :D

>>29709388
same base hp than tepig with full IV's

Torracat's HP doubles from litten's HP stat. We've never had that ridiculous a stat change in a starter before. I feel like since these starters have these "insecurities they have to get over" as part of their dex descriptions, it's shown gameplay wise as a stat redistribution when they evolve.

>>29709527
>I feel like since these starters have these "insecurities they have to get over" as part of their dex descriptions, it's shown gameplay wise as a stat redistribution when they evolve.
Is this for real or fanon?

Rowlet is LEVEL 5, FUCKING LEVEL 5 you just got it from the professor, sperg. And besides, what's its nature, inbred?

>>29709527
...except it does not.
it gets like +20 which is normal
Incineroar will have something like 80-90

>>29709527
Torracat's HP was never revealed.

>>29709388
What's its nature?

>>29709573
It's literally in the official site's dex description. Brionne hides her sadness, I forget torracat's and Dartrix is obsessed with his looks.

>>29709578
its neutral.
40 base is maximum for 9 speed (if it has zero speed ivs)

>>29709598
It was
90 hp @ lv31
158 hp @ lv50

>>29709314
Yeah. It will probably be the Greninja of Alola

>>29709578
It's neutral nature you dumb faggot, benefical/bad stats are colored since like gen 5

>>29709498
>Pidgeot
>Dragonite
Using the description to determine stats just isn't reliable

>>29709578
Neutral nature.
Also it has 17 speed at level 14

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>>29709628

>>29709602
Neutral.

>>29709422
>both have wide hips
>only major different are that its arms get bigger
fuck off. If I give you the benefit of the doubt, I'll argue that Decidueye's changes are more drastic than Dewott's

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>retards unironically expected grass starter to not be shit

Has the owl evolved yet? Post Dartrix stats

>>29709618
Fuck me, I'm dumb and forgot about those.
Looked up Torracat's and it states that it sometimes overwhelms it's opponents to the point they lose the will to fight and act spoiled with those it trusts

>>29709388
>that special defense
is it actually possible this thing ends up worse than gourgeist

>>29709692
and their faces change, it becomes quadrupedal, wearing a large helmet, sporting a large beard, and gaining a large upper body. Decidueye has a drastic change but please, Dewott and Samurott barely have similarities.

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Neo pictre

>>29709837
Reeeeeeee

>>29709837
its shit

>>29709837

>B-b-but just wait for it to evolve guys!

SLOW

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>>29709837

>>29709837
Was about to post it.
>3 levels and an evolution
>gained 5 speed

Is it done for?

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>>29709837
why

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>>29709837
>That moveset
The one thing that could save this guy is that he's the first starter to change dual-typing. Maybe when it dies, it gets a crazy stat redistribution.

Do we know the nature on his Rowlet? What if it has a Quiet nature and dogshit IVs?

Wait until it evolves 2: electric boogaloo

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Now i can finally pick poppmaid for sun playthrough without any regrets, no way she ends up more disappointing than this piece of shit

>>29709871
Obviously it has 0 IVs in speed.

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>>29709776
>wearing a large helmet, sporting a large beard,
To be fair, Dewott was a samurai that relied on shells to protect itself and started the transitioning of "white facial hair" from it's whiskers. Agreed with everything else though

>two starters look like shit
>third one has shit stats
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
into the box it goes, how much it takes to get the doggo?

>>29707842
>Mentioning Pikachu

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>>29709837
So can we all agree that if a pokemon's dex entry mentions speed, it's basically a death sentence? CAUSE IT CLEARLY FUCKING IS, DREAM IS DEAD

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>>29709837
This karma is so fucking delicious right now.

>>29709965
Here's hoping. Looking at those stats I dont see slender archer owl packing bulk

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>>29709837
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>29709623
Wasn't greninja banned from OU when he received poison move from ORAS?

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>>29710024
Ain't it?

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>>29709982

>>29710069
Yes. Decidueye, on the other hand, is going to rot in NU. WHY GAMEFREAK, WHY

>>29708949

>What's wrong with him being a tank?

Can you explain why a silent assassin screams "tank", conceptually speaking?

>>29707829
pokedex entries talk about the pokemon's maximum speed
the speed stat is about reaction speed

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>>29710152

>>29710069
correct, the main thing that kept him in check during XY was fairy types.
he then proceeded to get a base 120 Poison type move via tutor, that was physical, so it could hit even harder against the mostly specially defensive type, just to add a cherry.

>>29709976
Neutral, read the thread

>>29709623
Incineroar is the Greninja of this gen, anon. Move on

>>29708949
It will be shit as a tank because its Grass typing doesn't do it any favors defensively, and it pretty much let everybody down since they were all expecting a fast, robin-hood type mon

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>Decidueye is the lightest final form of a starter Pokémon, weighing 80.7 lbs. (36.6 kg).
LEAK FAGS BTFO

CONFIRMED F-FAST

Assuming OP hasn't super trained at all and is Docile.
This would mean Rowlet's stats are
Max (0 IVs)
89/59/69/59/69/49 BST: 394
Min (31 IVs)
65/35/45/35/45/25 BST: 250
If "muh parterns" are correct, Decidueye should have insane HP, which is completely unrealistic. These might be the first starters to not follow their Final Evolution's stats.

>>29710024
I hate it, because I'm always the one affected by it. Somehow, everything manages to go exactly how I don't want it to. At least Rowlet was just in second place for me. But I hate what Litten turned into. I used to like it long ago, and now I bet it'll be the most broken thing ever.

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>playing through Alpha Sapphire
>joke with the gf, "S/M will probably leak right after I finish AS, just because it's taking me so long"
>All this shit starts happening right as I reach Evergrande

>>29710144
Possibly he's a sniper since Greninja is already an assassin, and snipers are pretty slow since they have to line up the shot ans stay in place.

>>29710262
FINISH THE GAME FASTER YOU KEK

>>29710115
You know this how?

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>>29710224
>turns into a ghost
>the HP stats goes to the speed

Fucking please,

>>29710281

Okay, now where does the "tank" part come into play? Wouldn't it make more sense for it to be a slow, fragile mixed attacker?

>>29710024
I hate that ghostowl is trash, but Rowletfags really have been the absolute worst since the beginning.

>>29708586
Emboar is fine you nigger

>>29710024
Fuck off pooplio
You evolve into a water/fairy with top stat distribution, scald and most likely moonblast, calm mind and recovery and maybe serene grace.
Smogon will say they always loved you.
But you are shit!

>>29710285
I'm working on it nigga. But I just so happen to have class in two hours, and I have to get some work done for it too.

>barely any pokemon break 90 speed in gen 7
Do they just not want any of them to be relevant?

>implying Decidueye won't get Analytic as a HA
>implying Decidueye won't become a Trick Room beast

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You guys are so fucking dumb, all of you.

No stats actually matter until final evo, unless you plan on playing LC

Here's Shelgon's stats, I hate neo /vp/

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>>29710419

>It's g-good in Trick Room!

>>29710419
your face when too fast for trick room

>>29710281
>Sniper
>HA is Keen Eye
Please Gamefreak crush my dreams even more

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>>29710394
Your tears are delicious.

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>>29710419
>Trick Room

>>29707631
Why does anyone think an archer, attackers who generally have to stand still to attack, would be a speedster?

>>29710441
>It's g-good in Rain!
>it's g-good in Sand!
>it's g-good as long as nobody uses sneaky pebbles ever!

>>29710438
A stat spread can be good or bad. People are mostly reacting to that in isolation.

>>29710332
Yeah, that I don't know maybe GF didn't want to make him too powerful given that almost all his stats in speed and def/sp. def would go into his attack/sp. attack making him ridiculously strong even if he only got a single attack off.

Of course that's presuming they didn't just forget to give some stats to speed and just tried to make it a weirdly balanced mon for some reason.

>>29710419
>he still believes in the trick room maymay
off yourself

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>>29710394
>popplio line shat on constantly
>people flock to the bird because cool factor and discard the cat
>Owl is potentially shit

Never though I'd ever use this image
Extremeness aside, it may have bad IVs

Only priority can save this fucker, my fingers are crossed for a new Scizor.

>>29710332
Maybe the high HP stats are to compensate the slowness, but Attack/Sp. Attack will still be decent?

>>29710328
Just look at it. Slow and defensive, middling average, GRASS TYPING.

>>29710526
*middling average attacks

>>29710526
just like those NU shitmons Tangrowth and Ferrothorn. Man fuck those things, right?

>>29710514
Even with zero IV and EV Quilladin is still faster by one point than leaker's Dartrix.

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>>29710460
>>29710499
>Taking the the "Trick Room is shit" meme seriously

Its Pokedex description mentions its speed, and it's lighter than all of the final starter evos. This is the "Luchalitten will be Fire/Fighting!!" meme all over again, can't wait for it to evolve so denialfags can get btfo once again.

>>29710579
>believing the memedex
>ever

>>29710568
Ferrothorn has godly typing and tangrowth has great defense and hp along with decent-good attacks on both ends.

>>29710331
>Decidueye is the lightest final form of a starter Pokémon, weighing 80.7 lbs. (36.6 kg).
I think it will

>>29710579
> pidgeot flew at mach speed and was slower than a cow
> escavalier

>>29710678
Mentioning speed in the pokedex is basically a death sentence.

>>29710441
>It's g-good in a stall team

>>29707631
Literally shooped. It fucking says "fake and gay" for the name jesus christ you're all idiots.

>>29710579
>They fly around at high speed, striking with their pointed spears. Even when in trouble, they face opponents bravely
>They fly around at high speed
>escavalier speed is 20

>>29710579
Check Escavalier's dex entry

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This has never been more relevant

>>29710526
A. No one actually knows it is slow and defensive. You're all just assuming shit because of muh patterns in starters, despite how unrealistic it would be to have Decidueye with Emboar's HP or higher.
B. Even if it is somehow slow and defensive, it's HA ability could be things like Regen, Disguse, or plenty of other things that can make it OU viable.
C. The Alolan meta game could be drastically different from the XY/ORAS meta game, where slow defensive mons are favored.

>>29710714
You just got here don't you???

>>29710793
>being this much in denial

>>29710632
>>29710678
>>29710727
>>29710739
None of that matters Denialfags, they wouldn't do it again. Besides, there's its weight to back it up. Can't wait for all of you to get BTFO once and for all once Lurantis posts the stats.

>>29710778
That edit is so shit.

>>29710799
Then who was phone?!

>>29707631
It makes sense though. Owls use stealth not speed to catch their pray. This stealth is represented both by it's description and the ghost type.

>>29710846
Just like Rowlet, what a coincidence

>>29710840
why did he pick Rowlet anyway when he clearly wants a Lurantis down the line?

>>29710793
Original op-poster in this itt-thread said something about Rowlet is being uu-underused or what?
Do you thing its gonna get a god tier HA ability? Like its gonna help raise its DPS-damage per second?

>>29710921
He asked for dubs

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>>29709863

Decidueye stats will be something like this
>120/100/90/100/90/50
If it gets Analytic or Stakeout there may still be hope

>>29710924
Idk. We haven't seen Decidueye's stats yet, and certainly haven't seen its Hidden Ability or full move pool.

>>29711133
We'll find that out in a few hours I hope
Except for HA.

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>>29711121
>120 HP and 90 Defenses

PM me the seed someone [email protected]

>>29710793
>hidden ability ability

>>29711121
>It has Jellicent tier stats

s/m starters in a nutshell

cuckowl
>best design
>shit stats

waifubait
>waifubait
>rounded stats

libretigre
>shit design
>best stats

>>29708147
In most RPGs they have very poor movement but very high dexterity

>>29710660
No it doesn't people use Tangrowth for Sleep Power and Rage Powder.

>yfw it learns Dragon Dance

>>29707631
NO, NOOOOOOO. WHYYYYY

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>>29707631
fuck it, i'll still choose him as my starter

>>29711305
DOURAGON DANSU!

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>"it's speed is astonishing"

>>29709965
salsa?

>>29711430
>Has the text right in front of him
>Still manages to misspell its
>Twice
Are you retarded?

>>29711305
>yfw Lilligant is the only grass type to get Dragon Dance this gen

>>29707631
I fucking told you fags.


A FUCKING FAT ROUND OWL

>>29710840
>they wouldn't do it again
Escavalier WAS them doing it again.

Patternfags sure are being blown the fuck out, am I right?

>>29711466
that's the text from the actual site

people say "that moveset", but at the same level, frogadier had water pulse, bubble, quick attack and leer

>>29711274
>Incineroar
>shit design
More like shit taste.

*lick

>>29711501
Decidueye is the lightest starter between the 3 and I think the lightest starter ever.

>>29711648
Yes, he's also shit taste.

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>>29707631

Zweilous
>ATK 85
>SP.ATK 65

Hydreigon
>ATK 105
>SP.ATK 125

>>29711648
Its good if you're a fag.

>>29711674
Rowlett

>>29708314
>Falseflags with based Incineroar

Nice try, Rowletfag.

>>29711781
Yes let's compare a completely unrelated Pokémon to a starter whose brethren have literally never broken the mold their entire life.

>>29710419
>60-70 speed
>Good in Trick Room

>>29710438
yeah, Datrix is totally a coccon

>>29711832
Sun/Moon is all about breaking the mold so it could happen but it won't

>>29709837
it's over

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>>29711832
>it goes from flying to ghost

This thing is breaking the mold and you can't stop it.

>>29711832
>>29711896

Who expected Decidueye to be a Ghost type ?

>>29711965
Me.

>>29711965
Me.

>>29711965
Not me.

>>29711965
I expected it when we saw the TCG's card pack was called Forest Shadow.

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>>29711979
>>29711989

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>>29711817
>you will never be able to like all three because of memeing children like this
I really should quit this place already.

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at the very least Decidueye gets an award for causing an obscene level of butthurt.

>>29711979
>>29711989
>>29712015

The majority never saw that coming and keeping Hydreigon's stat changes in mind, we could potentially see a significant boost in Decidueye's speed stat

In TCG Decidueye has the lowest HP out of the 3. It's still not over

>>29709626
Back then wasn't Pidgeot considered fast? Maybe he isn't considered fast today because of power creep.

>>29712143
>tcg

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Just a few things to consider with everyone thinking slow Decidueye is a bad thing:
>Roost
>Ingrain
>Leech Seed
>Absorb/Mega Drain/Giga Drain
>Sleep Powder/Spore + Dream Eater/Nightmare
>Spirit Shackle to trap anything it can abuse the aforementioned moves on
Being a slow defensive Grass starter doesn't always mean trying to be a wall. It'll definitely benefit from Big Root as long as they actually give it some HP draining/recovery moves. I have a bad feeling they won't.

>>29710224
It's not unrealistic for it to have higher HP than Tepig. And for its final form to be as shit as Emboar is.

>>29712069
Good. And never come back you salty Rowletcuck.

>>29712229
Go Komala! use bite!

>>29712229
Trevenant and Gourgeist all had things of that nature except for Spirit Shackle, and they both rot in NU. I doubt one move (which will probably be 90BP since its a variation on Thousand Waves, or less seeing how Owl got cucked this time) will push it over the edge into UU/OU

>>29711845
Faster than trick room sweepers so it can fight them outside if trick room, slower than quite a few other mons so it can abuse trick room. 70-80 speed is perfect for a semiroom team.

>>29711845
Primal Groudon was used in Trick Room for a huge chunk of VGC16. Your point?

>>29712229
>Weavile used knock off.

>>29712356
(Off-topic)

Trevenant, Decidueye, Gourgeist...

How come we have three Grass/Ghost pokemon and only one Grass/Ground? ONE

>>29712504
Because Grass/Ground is an even worse typing, and it will (has) produced a slow tank with mediocre stats all around


Concidentally, Decidueye, Trevenant, and Torterra are some of the best designed mons in the game. Damn shame.

>>29712545
But bad typings exist in plenty.

Grass/Ground makes thematic sense for thousands-to-millions of existing species.

>>29708486
>When I used Blastoise I just used Surf, Blizzard, Earthquake and some other move I forget.
But you said kids are dumb.

>>29707660
>I just don't see Decidueye being a tank.

Gamefreak loves making the worst defensive typings in the game into tanks, see majority of grass and ice pokemon.

>>29708347
why was samurott a special attacker?

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>guise look starter ruined shit stats!!!
>giving a fuck about stats
>not just choosing whatever Pokemon you like the most regardless of stats
>caring about stats in the most comfy Pokemon game

Fuck off competitive faggots no one gives a shit

>>29712461
But Decidueye won't be as strong as Primal Groudon.

>>29708949
its because some anons REALLY want a competitively viable starters when the vast majority of starters are kind of meh in that aspect.

>>29712846
it is a mixed attacker with a ruthlessly shitty gen 1-tier stat spread

>>29712356
Gourgeist-super is actually very useful in OU

>>29713041
so much wasted potential from that line.

>>29712340
>implying Komala won't be a one-off gimmick/shitmon like Farfetch'd, Dunsparce, and most other things that end up in the latter part of any pokedex
Even then though there's Pyroar, so you're right. But why would you leave Decidueye in battle against something it can't manage in the first place?

>>29712356
True. Trevenant actually has access to moves that cover all of its weaknesses, it's just... Trevenant unfortunately. Decidueye will have a different stat spread than Trevenant (hopefully), so one would hope it ends up being more defensively useful and still has access to Rock/Fighting/Ground something.

Still, not even knowing the BSTs of their fully evolved forms, I wouldn't LEAD with Decidueye. Grass/Ghost isn't bad - you resist everything Dragon does save for Fire, plus Ground and a Normal immunity, and you don't have to worry about Bug and Poison as much as other Grass-types - but you are losing those two weaknesses in exchange for Ghost and Dark.

I won't go so far as to say it'll make OU because it won't, but there's a pretty good chunk of things in UU that would have a hard time with it if it's bulky enough.