Why is this allowed?

>muh stills

great now post actual animated video clips and I guarantee you the SM one will look better.

The art style change? Because the show is made for actual children.

They want to keep in line with what's popular with kids right now. Nobody within the show's actual demographic is upset by this change.

>>29675549
who cares, the new one looks nice and simple, old one was way to detailed for a children's cartoon with shitty cringeworthy voice acting and a bad plotline

>>29675549
Its to make ash look more asian and appeal to japanese children

The formula they've stuck to since they began is starting to become really stale, so now they're trying to be like all the other wacky children's anime, like Yokai Watch.

>Lower Budget
>Save money + time
>Target audience is literally kids
>Kids won't notice or give a fuck. (Only autistic people like you will)

It lets them have more fluid animation for cheaper, which is all that should matter unless you just want the show to be extremely detailed still shots.

>>29675549
Is Pierrot animating the new series?

>>29675549
God God, his Zs are getting bigger.

>>29675549
There's so much hate on SuMo anime, but in my opinion it looks much more interesting and inviting to watch. The old style was too bland and stiff, maybe it'll also be more shonen-like instead of a babby-tier-cartoon-like.

Because we keep buying their products and at this point they couldn't care less.

>>29675549
Because they've shown ash actually moving this season so they can't have a cardboard look alike anymore.

>>29675633
>same budget
>save time by making fluid and animation
>Target audience Kids and older
>Only faggots will notice or give a fuck. (Only autistic people like you will)

Reminds me of the later episodes of Evangelion

>>29675549

Because sometimes people use different art styles.

I bet you hate the new Mickey Mouse shorts as well.

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>>29675633
>Screw up many good moments in XY.
>Get low rating.
>No longer want to spend a large budget on good art.
They should just fire some of the retarded writers that were responsible for shit like ruining Serena. If they don't fuck it up the show will pay itself back.

>>29675549
Xenoestrogens

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>XYZBEST

>>29675692
OLM as always

>>29676528
>that face
:3

>>29675567
>muh animation

I can play this game too, doesn't change that it looks like shit

>>29675567
>he thinks the animation can save a garbage artstyle
>both pics in the OP are clearly key frames

Kys retard

>>29675567
Not at all

Not even close

>>29675581
>Nobody within the show's actual demographic is upset by this change.
We don't even know that because there is no way to tell nip kid opinions

>>29675549
Does it really matter anymore? Ash won Serena. That's good enough for me.

>>29675549
Because realistic interpretation of Ash's age.

>>29675549
If it is so bad. So bad, even when animated, post a gif. Just do it. Post a gif of SM footage. Prove that it is bad when animated using evidence. Not ONE of you has done this. And not ONE of you ever will.

>>29676658
>when Ash's voice actor damage control on twitter because of the outrage by the nips it's pretty certain that they don't like it. The nips on twitter absolutely hates it but they are the older audience.

>>29676696
>artstyle doesn't matter

Animation has nothing to do with artstyle you fucking retard. You can make stick figures have great, fluid animation. It's still fucking stick figures. Ash still has a garbage design.

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>>29675549
arrogance

>>29675549
Round is the gen 7 style

>>29676791
>b-but the removing details, shadowing and depth makes it possible t-to have better animation

>>29676791
I would honeslty watch n anime in the 2030 style if it was animated well enough

>>29676791
2030 is getting real Abstract on our asses.

>>29676740
Artstyle absolutely matters. The key to good animation is combining animation technique and artstyle in a way that conveys whatever tone the creator wants to convey. Which is why showing the art style alone isn't good enough.

This argument that the animation is bad because the art style isn't to your taste is equal to saying that a painting is bad because you don't like the primary color used in it, or a plate of spaghetti is bad because you don't like eating raw cloves of garlic.

>>29676957
>reading comprehension

Are this fucking retarded? The artstyle is still the fucking same. The animation doesn't make the artstyle better. Artstyle can make the animation better because it can make it easier to animate and make it more fluid and expressive. The artstyle will still fucking remain and it's pure garbage. Removing sharper edges, details, actual shadows and lot more will make it look a lot worse than previous art styles. The artstyle has an effect on the animation but not the other way around. The artstyle is garbage, not need to be a apogolist about it. The animation may be better but the price is huge for that.

>>29676791
>slippery slope argument so I'm right

Try again.

>>29676791
2030 will be Ashnimekino

>>29677047
>ignoring reading the thread

Try again

>>29677039
What you seem to be missing is that there is nothing wrong with the art style not being as good for stills. It isn't for stills. Water that is bad for drinking is perfectly fine for washing a car. A boat that makes a bad cruise liner could still be a perfectly good fishing boat. Even if the quality of the art style weren't fairly subjective, it's still irrelevant on its own. The art is an ingredient. You don't use fucking wine when you need salt, no matter how much fancier and more expensive wine is.

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>this fucking thread again
N O M O R E

>>29676791
...but during the stone age!

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>>29675549
>The combination of getting beat despite all odds being for him and basically having a mary sue on his team along with getting a kiss turned ash retarded

>left looks like high-school student
>right looks like 10
SM one looks bad, but it's actually better at showing how Ash should look like.

>>29677137
But the artyle has an effect on the animation you retard. This has nothing to do with stills. The animation is animating from the art style and it's noticeable when its animated that they don't focus at all on giving details and good shadowing but instead tries to make it more fluid with a shit tone of smear frames. Do you actually think you can only see the artstyle in stills? It's so obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, may work for comedy and show for toddlers but there's a reason why animes that has a similar way to animate and create artstyles ALWAYS makes the character more sharp, detailed and better shadowed when the character is suppose to be serious. Ash has a garbage art style and no "b-but muh stills and smear frames" will change that fact.

less realistic =/= worse.
that being said this show is garbage :^)

>>29677227
He's not suppose to look anything. The only real confirmation we have had of his age was 6 years ago. It's literally change it whenever they want. Just look at XY and he's always at least half a head taller than the 10 year old beginner trainers. All this does it makes it more inconsitent than it already is.

>>29677344
How the fuck are any of them realistic? How fucking retarded are you underage shitter? Do you seriously think people fought over an anime there character has huge eyes is realistic?

>>29675549
I know OP, why do they allow Ash to still be a thing? Thanks for asking the important questions andn ot being a retard who actually gives a shit about the animation style of a show that shouldnt even exist.

Because that's what you're doing right?

>>29677318
I honestly don't actually know if this looks good animated. It might look like shit animated. Nobody who is upset about it ever posts gifs or webms, or talks about the animation looking bad. That's why I challenged OP, or anyone who is upset about the new art style, to do so. To prove that it looks bad animated.

>>29675549
Because Rica is still single

>>29677403
We have liks 6 mintue of footage already. You being retarded an not looking it up is not our problem. We're not going to spoonfeed you.

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>>29675713
>SuMo

>>29677403
Nobody talks about the animation looking bad you moron. Everybody agree than it looks better than ever. Doesn't change the fact that Ash's design is pure garbage and is hated as fuck in nippon.

>>29675549
All the animators died so they hired South Korean slaves.

>>29677424
6 minutes of footage from which nobody has bothered to pull 10 seconds to say 'this doesn't look good animated'. All those cherries and picking them isn't worth it despite at least four threads a day bitching about what the show looks like paused.

>>29677318

honestly I think that satoshi might return back to older self in season 2 or in next anime, I guess they have more freedom because anime is popular and it have free concept

>>29677357
>SM official site
>Ash is 10
>Hoopa quiz, Shoko
>Ash is 10
denial is quite strong.

>>29675549
Dear god, the change in his hair. Dear Arceus save us! Save us all!

>>29677482
>even the worst people on the entertainment industry dont want to do their job themselves

>>29675713
>XY
>not shonen tier

How the fuck is shit like this not shonen? Was it 15 years ago you watched it last?

https://youtu.be/Bod6MmukS24
https://youtu.be/3JpmScfGDtU
https://youtu.be/UbHYu0DPg-I
https://youtu.be/z5IsR3mOW0Q


SM is A LOT more babby garbage tier you fucking retard. It's already confirmed it will be a slapstick comedy series and not even close to as shonen as XY was.

>>29677558
>ashnime
>shonen
It was trash as kodomo and you want to judge it as shonen?

>>29677509
>SM official site
Source, have not seen
>hoopa quiz
You mean the quiz that had a shit tone of things wrong and was made by people outside the anime?

>>29676791
2019 looks like Caillou.

imo, even if the new animation isn't bad, I still think it's worse than XY. XY brought the original artstyle of the show to perfection, so I can see why they wanted to do something new. And yes I mean animation as in things being animated. The artstyle is even more shit.

>>29676791
Ash: "I'm blasting off againnnnnnnnnn!"

>>29677383
uhh im using relativistic terms? please calm down you might hurt yourself

>>29677584
>tfw we will never have a great detailed and shadowed artstyle together with great animation again
>the best animated battle will forever be Ash-Greninja vs Mega Charizard X with BRASTO BANN

>>29675549
Because using ToonBoom is much cheaper than a talented animator like Nishitani

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>>29675549
:')

>>29677642
Don't you mean Deoxys vs. Mega Rayquaza?

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>>29677680
DELETE THIS

>>29677571
Do you even fucking know what shonen means you retard?

Was it 15 years ago you watched it? Did you even watch the videos?

>>29677734
A Mega Rayquaza never fought a Deoxys in the anime.

>>29677734
>not animated or produced in the graet nippon
That's cartoon :^)

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>>29677424
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

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>>29677558
No, I watched a few episodes and it was babby-tier imo. Watched a few of the first ones, vs Shota and vs Alan.
Also,
>SM is A LOT more babby garbage tier
>already confirmed
> it will be a slapstick comedy series and not even close to as shonen as XY was.
Not even one episode is out and you've already confirmed everything.

>>29677851
When having an argumentation you're actually suppose to know what you're arguing about instead of being spoonfeed every single info. You come prepared.

>>29675549
Ash never had a Mega Ring... Why? Why did Greninja become a special snowflake form, instead of a normal Mega to justify and display a major point in the games?

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>>29677929
>what is description of the series from the various sources
Are you actually this retarded? Do you seriously think they don't give an overall summary of the tone for the new show?They litrrally say it will be more light hearted and more comedic.

Watch all those videos and claim shit like that isn't shonen. Otherwise you can fuck off. I gave you proof. Not my problem if you ignore it.

>>29677929
They're promoting it as, and I quote, "a never ending array of jokes".

>>29678011
Gave room for a lot more development than a mega ever could plus the fact that megas was displayed in the mega evolution specials and by all Ash's rivals.

>inb4 reduced budget and animation style is because they are secretly working on a second full length tv anime show based of the pokemon generations mini episodes for a more mature audience

>>29675581
>demographic
Night, no one IN their demographic actually watches or even plays Pokemon. They're pandering to a demographic range that doesn't exist outside of Japan. Little kids don't like Pokemon, they're too smart to like something this shitty, and GF won't go back to making good games, apparently, so it'll stay that way. For example, their demographic is nonexistent in the U.S., because 74% of sales are 15-22 year olds. The rest is split between 6% ages 4-14, and the other 20% is 23+. GF needs to realize this.

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>>29678035
>proof
>a subjective matter
It's babby-tier to me, already claimed that.
>>29678051
I've ran though a few articles and can't find anything similar to this sentence, actually I can't find anything at all about how the series are gonna look like.

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>>29678275
>something being shonen is subjective

Literally retarded, either watch it or fuck off.

>>29677773
>Do you even fucking know what shonen means you retard?
>ashnimefag pretending to educate anyone else on anime/manga terminology
>he thinks shonen means fighting

>Did you even watch the videos?
Unlike you, I dont have 20 years to waste, and those videos have fights, which is not what shonen means anyways.

>>29678275
>what is pokemon fan magazine

>>29677951
You can question the evidence if it doesnt support the claims directly. That's what he did. The only thing he needed to know was the difference between animation and stills, which he does. If you want to say the animation is bad, you should point out actual cases and why its bad, not "see it, its bad"

>>29677951
We aren't debating anything you fucking retard. Debates are for people from the goverment like Obama or Ms. Hillary Clinton, not people in a site for teenagers and young adults.

>>29678302
Shonen means little boy you fucking retard. You act like it's some teenage tier shit. You got plenty of time wasting on a board made for a childrens game on a saturday. I'm sure you got time to watch those videos.

>>29675549
>Giving a shit about the anime
People still do this?

>>29678319
Nobody has said the animation is bad. Are you delusional? The post is mocking the art style. Art style isn't about fucking stills.

>>29678351
You gave enough of a shit to come in here and post.

>>29675549
well OP the art style changed from a boring and fairly worn out style better suited for NEET man-children who are refusing to grow tf up to a much more softer and original style that allows for much better animation.
also the way pokemon are drawn in the new style is exponentially better, and by that I mean they are actually drawn well

>>29678324
>debate is the same thing as an argumentation

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>>29678298
Compare this """"""shonen"""""" to other anime like op, naruto, bleach and other less popular shonens. Fucking yugioh is better than this shit kids' show. Pokemon is kindergarten level.

>>29678215
>a random fucking loser who just did 5 minutes of research knows more about a products market than the company who made who can invest millions into research

>>29678387
>literally using memes

Opinion discarded

>>29678423
>literally responding with literal nothing cause he has no argument

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>>29678406
>XY&Z is literally Pokemon: The Naruto experience
>thinks he can have any say in something he has literally not watched for 15 years, even watching the videos I posted

You're one special ret/a/rd aren't you?

>>29678406
XY&Z practically copied Naruto on many points, and did many things better. Is Naruto less of a shonen than XY&Z now?

>>29678450
>memes are arguments

Wew

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>>29678467
>something he has literally not watched for 15 years, even watching the videos I posted

>I watched a few episodes and it was babby-tier imo. Watched a few of the first ones, vs Shota and vs Alan.

>>29678387
It's left to be shown if SM artstyle will truly allow for better animation across the board. What we've seen so far is that it allows for a nicely animated sequence of running through the forest and that they put some detail into the hair blowing in the wind for both Ash and Pokémon.

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>>29678509
>in an 150 episode series
>still not watching the the last two videos I linked even though you obviously doesn't have something better to do this saturday


Know when you're beaten

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KONO DIO DA!

>>29678411
Fyi, I've studied economics and business my whole life, AND been a mainstay fan since its inception, I DEFINITELY know more than them. On top of that, I'm a data analyst for a living, so I know what I'm talking about. But, no, by all means, keep projecting. You're a loser, ok, cool. Anything else anon?

>>29678406
>Naruto
>Bleach
>less popular
Oh, yeah, ooh, they're so much less popular than... what? They're really popular anon, only Death Note comes to mind...

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>>29678571
I does have something better to do. Replying to your shitty arguments for my own amusement.

>>29676712
Who the fuck are you quoting

>>29678334
>Shonen means little boy you fucking retard.
That's kodomo you retard, that's the aim of the show you wasted 20 years watching.

>>29678608
>knowing more than the companies
>with no (0) insider knowledge

>>29678215
>they're too smart to like something this shitty
More like "2000's and 2010's kid culture doesn't exist, because kids are encouraged to grow up ASAP and enjoy adult entertainment."

Kids these days just want edgy shit or anything else they think is 'grown up'.

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>>29678653
>I-i was only pretending to be retarded

Wew, be less obvious when you begin damage controlling next time will you?

I like how people act like Pokemon hasn't always been shounen/shounen-like.

>>29678177

Lord Kek commands it

>>29678695
Oh yeah, I forgot anon, you just know everything, huh? That's what I thought, you don't know what info I have or don't have, so Stfu.

>>29678467
>thinks he can have any say in something he has literally not watched for 15 years
>le "you havent watched since jhoto" fallacy
>without pointing out what's even wrong
business as usual

>>29678477
demography is about the group the product is aimed at, not what it does
Also
>ashnime
>doing anything better than something else

>>29678688
>actually thinking shonen means anything other than little/young boy

Do you seriously going to bullshit at this stage?

>>29678727
(You)

>>29678696
This. Exactly. Kids don't play Pokemon here, they think it's a kids game.
>the irony.

>>29678713
Well, for starters, it never was. I can't believe you;re arguing this since its already undefendable as kodomo, you're just making an impossible task harder by saying its shonen.

>>29678740
>actually thinking shonen means anything other than little/young boy
Ok, what does kodomo mean?

>>29678731
>literally ignoring whats written in the thread
>starts spewing buzzwords and doesn't contribute to anything

Wew

>>29678727
>my dad works at Nintendo

>>29678765
Very small child you idiot.

>>29678767
>literally ignoring whats written in the thread
Ok, how about you point out what's wrong with what I said?

I mean, you can, right?

People that are getting triggered by this art style are all weebs wanting ''muh edgy pokeanimu''. Seriously it's fucking pokemon, what's the problem with it being more lighthearted?

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>>29678750
(YOU)

>>29675549
A change in aesthetic distances the anime characters from being perceived as 'old' by children who might have been discouraged by the fact that Pokemon is popular with older audiences. This fresh coat of paint makes it more attractive to a new audience because it has an over-riding connotation of being 'new', in spite of it just being a purely aesthetic transition.
This also ties in with the changes to the formula in the games and a new approach moving forward as a whole which seems to be leaving the mindset of 'this formula is what our fans want so we have to stick to it' and making the long overdue realisation of 'this formula is played out and new players aren't going to find this sterile format enticing since it barely even makes sense unless you have prior experience with the series, so we should change it up so that your in-game quest actually makes sense'.

It's literally the best thing that's happened since the physical/special split.

>>29678793
(You)

>>29675549
I dont get how this fits in canonically? is SuMo a reboot on the anime? or what.

>>29678275
From a magazine announcement:

https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/28807958/#28812333

>The new Pocket Monsters anime starts soon!!
>In November, the Pokémon anime undergoes a renewal! What kind of adventure will it turn into next!?

>The new adventure is filled with comedy!!
>Being in a new place for the first time makes Ash tense up... or not. There's no time for that when a slapstick adventure opens up before him!

>>29678780
>no he doesn't, but I work for a new company as a demographics analyst.

>>29678827
Who are you quoting?

>>29678785
So kids that can't even read?

Also
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dnen_manga
>8 to 18
well tried.

>>29678787
>argument is literally about pokemon not being shonen like in XY
>gives proof >>29677558
>literally explains what shonen is
>guys literally says he has only watched literally next to nothing
>"hurr let me just jump in here and spew buzzwords"

Kys

>>29678789
Because the best Pokémon season of all time just ended and SM is a huge downgrade in pretty much everything from what we can tell? You don't have to be a fan of the anime to see this. You must be really naive if you don't expect people who actually watch it to react to a change this huge.

>>29675549
>people are unironically defending this
top kek
not only pokemon is copying yokai watch game wise with gen 7 that was pretty much inspired by pokemon's trend but not they are copying yokai watch even as anime

>>29678827
>I totally have insider knowledge
>has nothing to do with Nintendo
Here is your reply.

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>>29678701
I didn't even say I was trolling, and I wasn't. It doesn't make it less amusing though. Pokemon anime doesn't belong in shonen genre, it belongs in "Mom I can count to 5" genre.

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>>29678577
KONO SERENA DA

>>29678807
[4s(You)2 × 69s (Kek-5)]45

>>29678862
(You)

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>>29678789
The problem is: The new artstyle is shit

>>29678843
>gives proof >>29677558
That's not proof anon, at what point on those videos is stated the show is aimed at pre-teens/teens?

>literally explains what shonen is
So far he posted fights, which don't say anything about the demography the show is aimed at and confused kodomo with shonen

>guys literally says he has only watched literally next to nothing
Every time you say that you never point out what's wrong.

So, again,

Ok, how about you point out what's wrong with what I said?

I mean, you can, right?

>>29678841
That literally only proved my point on what shonen is.

>>29678838
I'm not quoting? I really work at a news channel as a demographics analyst.

>>29678823
Fair enough. Still hoping for it to become more interesting than previous series.

>>29678852
>You're an idiot
>news
>not about Nintendo.
>mfw, it's gaming news.

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>>29678879
What did they mean by this?

>>29676791
>2013 can't have cherry picking becuase character animation is incredibly static and obessed woth being on model
>2016 has people cherrypicking inbetweens becuase the character animation is more fluid and not afraid to go off model to evoke greater weight in motions

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>>29678881
>That literally only proved my point on what shonen is.
Not really, 8 is not very small child anon, specially since its included on a group all the way up to 18s. If anything it actually proved you wrong even further since now you're accepting the ashnime is aimed at 18 years old people, which, not only definitely don't qualiy as very little kids, but also now have to prove the show is aimed at that people.

But I should have expected this kind of delusion of an ashfag.

>people saying this is a fresh breeze in the Pokémon anime

It's not like they've not tried making it more "fun and kid friendly" before. They did the same with BW and look at how that turned out. SM looks like it will be BW times eleven.

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/vp/, will you ever learn to stop defending shit? Every time Game Freak or TPCi or whomever make a bad product, whether it be the games of Gen 6 or the Ashnime of Gen 7, a conga line of people start talking about how what came before it is suddenly trash and how this new shit is a step in the right direction.

I feel like some people on this board need to be forcibly ripped away from Pokémon for a year or so, to lessen their obsession and fanboyism so they can view things more critically. You people would defend literally anything as long as it was officially licensed as a Pokémon product.

>>29678920
>not only definitely don't qualiy as very little kids
Wait, scratch that, you used this for kodomo, not shonen.

>>29678872
(You)kys <my>A5°5

>>29678808
Does this not concern anyone?

>>29678880
>literally about the world coming to and end in a huge explosion with the antagonist being implied to do a suicide attempt by jumping off a tower and in the end comes back and gets evaporated to death
>hurr that for 5 years old

Are you seriously so retarded you can't think for yourself?

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>>29678808
>SuMo

>>29678856
>Pokemon anime doesn't belong in shonen genre
What? How? Do you know what shounen means?

The easiest and most obvious way to explain how it is a shounen is through the most obvious and blatant trope of the genre - the Sun Wukong/Son Goku archetypal protagonist.
Scruffy black haired chosen one who has an insatiable appetite, is easily tricked but always powers through with sheer determination because he does his best. Satoshi/Ash is the exact same basic character as Goku or Luffy because he's under the same general heading.

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>>29678918
What's a real anime?

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>>29678910
>muh fluid motion meme

>>29678936
But Anon, I've always hated the XY Ashnime

>>29678910
Haven't you realized that they made the artstyle worse so that inbetweens would be on par with keyframes?

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>>29678920
>>29678939
>being this fucking retarded

>>29678883
>not knowing how to use greentext
Lol

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I just realized... new ash doesn't have gloves on. How will he handle pikachu now??

>>29678981
kill la kill

>>29678879
>artstyle
No such thing as that. The word is aesthetic.

>>29678958
>literally about the world coming to and end in a huge explosion with the antagonist being implied to do a suicide attempt by jumping off a tower and in the end comes back and gets evaporated to death
...and?

>hurr that for 5 years old
Yes, a 15 year old not only would tend to like more edgy stuff, but also like shit with an ending. Not to mention they're definitely smart enough to browse the internet and check the show's history of shit so you can't even use rotating audience here.

>Are you seriously so retarded you can't think for yourself?
Hey, I'm not the guy who proves himself wrong every post.

>>29678994
Nice argument. Specially the part you when you proved it.

>>29678906
>I have no insider knowledge whatsoever but somehow I know what they should do better than people with my same education who do have insider knowledge

>>29678948

>>29678985
What, was it too serious compared to Best Wishes?

I'm not a fan of the Ashnime in general and called Ash getting cucked years ago (not a hard thing to call), but it was definitely relatively less bad to what we have now.

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>>29679007

>>29678997
>uses greentext all the time
>implying it's only for quoting, and not being sarcastic.

>ash looks more emotive and is closer to being a real character than ever before
>people sperg out about losing static cardboard cutout and subpar Shonen hero(he even got a retarded asspull power up) Ash

>>29678936
It isn't a /vp/-exclusive problem, most boards do the same. 4chan as a whole has bad taste in almost everything.

>>29678981
Girls und Panzer

>>29679038
But >>29678827 is neither, you dense retard

>>29679040
Making derpy faces because he gets hit by shit all the time doesn't equal more emotion in the character, anon, and especially not a "real" one.

>>29679010
>literally writes a lot of shit that then you understood was exactly what I said but you couldn't fucking read and tries to take it back

Why would I have an argument against that? You were literally acting retarded.

>>29679040
>Not the first post from this IP.

>>29678981
Supercard Buddyfight

>>29679010
Nothing you said actually disproved it being shonen. Only that you're good at assuming shit.

>>29679061
>Muh lesbians doing lesbian things is a real anime

>>29678967
Look i just want peoples opinions on how you all think thius its in canonically, he looks like he could be bonnies age at this point.

>>29678808
Maybe. Probably. Probably not.

>>29679099
You're not going to get serious responses when you use "SuMo," only reaction images. Wait for the next thread to be made on this subject and try again without using "SuMo."

>>29678848
Well, the reaction was to be expected, but it's pretty unfair to judge it just from the trailers. And you know you can just say that you'd prefer if it wasn't more comedic and not shit on the artstyle, which was chosen just to reflect this change and has nothing really bad about the change of tone

>>29678879
If you can pinpoint what's wrong with it that'd be great

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>>29678920
>>29678939
Fucking lmao

>>29678984
>posts a webm of pokemon fight animation and not character animation

wow, you sure proved your point

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>>29678977
Sure, but instead of powerlevels and bloodbaths and sudden ressurections and constant improvements we get:
>durrrr TIME TO POKEYMUN
>hurrrr 2+2 is 4! This gotta work!
>N-Nani?! 2+2 is 4?!
>NO, 2+2 IS FRIENDSHIP!
>PEEKACHU THUNDABEWLT
I mean, really, having to watch this shit is simply degrading.

>>29679070
>literally writes a lot of shit that then you understood was exactly what I said but you couldn't fucking read and tries to take it back
such as? I dont see any quote on there. Can't ou fags actually sustain a fucking claim?

>>29679090
>Nothing you said actually disproved it being shonen.
Burden of proof is on you though, since you are the one saying the ashnime's demography is not what it always has been, and the one that'd make it the closest to an acceptable product, and you haven't proof it's a shonen because you keep going on the fucking content with the mindset of a 4kidz censor.
Take any SHONEN jump manga, the ones that are plot based have actual developing stories, with actual ends(even if it takes a while to get there) and the shit that happens there has consequences, you dont just reset it to mantain a status quo, many don't even have one(except for fillers on the anime versions and that sometimes requires tweaking on the source material).

The ashnime doesnt do that, it's based on a rotating audience of little kids (and adult autists like you as periphery demography at best) that wont check the past history of the show so they can keep the status quo for as long as they want. If you really want to judge it as a shonen, then it ends up being even worse than it actually is because you have to judge it's entire history as a single plotline which it isn't.

>>29679099
There's no real canon in the anime, it's an advertisement for the brand as a whole which includes the main series games, the spin-offs and all of the various merchandise and manga and everything else Pokemon is now smeared all over.

The people who are likely working on it, like any other licensed advertisement show, are the old fogeys who don't care anymore and just shit out old episodes from things they made years ago reskinned with Pokemon and the young guys who are trained in by working on something vapid and straightforward.
There's no super director sitting over the entire series of the Pokemon anime plotting a massive storyline with continuity in mind. And why would there be? There's no reason for anyone above the age of 12 to continue watching Pokemon and it's derivative story-arcs and complete lack of direction. It's there to make kids buy stuff by having loud characters and showing off all the cool monsters and utilising well established advertising tropes to draw viewers in. There's nothing else to the series at all.

>>29679132
But tahts what it bloody is, just like oras

>>29679168
I know right! I was providing actual discusion, How silly of me!

>>29679148
>less detailed
>less broad shoulders
>smaller, thinner arms
>bigger hips
>next to no shadows
>less sharp
>huge as fuck "Z"
>bad proportions

Just a few, most people hate Ash's artstyle and not the artstyle overall

>>29679207
Nah, anon, it's clearly a very well crafted shonen manga for high school teens. I mean, it has fights and end of the world scenarios, so it cleary is.

>>29679199
>literally says exactly what I said shonen was and then thinks that was what I thought was kodomo before literally having to do a post understanding I was right about shonen being for little/young boys and kodomo for very small children

The only thing you did was prove me right.

>>29679148
see >>29678929

It's been done before, they just cranked up the dial this time around because fuck why not. And for someone being used to XY Ash now and going to SM Ash is incredibly jarring because the change is actually severely drastic. XY Ash could be the subject of slapstick before but he would never be "degraded" to the level which SM Ash is shown to be. They literally made him a retard again, because "that's how we do humor".

The other characters might be fine, we don't know much about them. If anything is going to make SM anime good, it's them, and certainly not Ash.

>>29679199
>, the ones that are plot based have actual developing stories, with actual ends(even if it takes a while to get there) and the shit that happens there has consequences

This literally the XY series. Try watching it before making bullshit claims and bullshit assumptions. Only because it has filler episodes doesn't mean this isn't a thing. Which it's very much is.

>>29679240
Well, no, because it's not a manga, it's an anime, though it is very obviously a shounen but one in the same vein as Flint the Time Detective that is catered to the younger side of the demographic than the edgelord stuff for 14 year olds.

Shounen tropes include training, having an idiot protagonist who eats most of the time and is the chosen one, female companion who is typically condescending and directs the plot as a whole in the beginning, and more. Pokemon has all of those. Not every shounen does. One Piece doesn't have training arcs, Bleach doesn't have the Wukong archetype protag, etc.

Fuck off.

>>29679018
>says the apparently omnipotent anon, who apparently knows everything, including MY education level, MY amount of insider knowledge, AND what I think they should do.
That's what I thought bitch. You don't know what I do or don't know, What my education level is, OR what I think, so just shut up, and sit up ass down.
>>29679068
It's sarcasm.

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>>29679180

here you go anon

>>29678848
>Because the best Pokémon season of all time just ended

It was generic shounenshit and nothing more.
It certainly had better animation than previous seasons, but the story and events were on the same level of retarded as previous seasons (granted, not to BW levels). From what the trailer has shown SM will have even more fluid and impactful animation and seems to have way more atmosphere and unique signature. I for one am interested to see how the shift from more shounen to more SoL plays out.

>>29679225
Ash's redesign is also meant to represent the change of tone. If they kept it the same it would be awfully similar to BW and nobody wants that. I'm sure you'll get used to it, especially if the season turns out good

>>29679269
>literally says exactly what I said shonen was
So...the ashnime is for people that are about to finish high school? are you seriously gonna argue that?

> I was right about shonen being for little/young boys and kodomo for very small children
So 18 year olds count as very small children?
What's even an adult then?

>>29679316
>This literally the XY series.
Why is Ash still on a journey to be a pokemon master then?

>>29679331
> though it is very obviously a shounen
not at all.

>Shounen tropes include training, having an idiot protagonist who eats most of the time and is the chosen one, female companion who is typically condescending and directs the plot as a whole in the beginning, and more. Pokemon has all of those. Not every shounen does. One Piece doesn't have training arcs, Bleach doesn't have the Wukong archetype protag, etc.
those are fightning manga/tropes, shonen is about the audience is aimed at, has nothing to do with content, even if the most popular ones resort to common tropes.

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>>29679216
I'm going to assume you're a newfag and this isn't bait.

ORAS is Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. It is four words (ignoring the "and"). The only other games with four-letter abbreviations are FRLG (Fire Red and Leaf Green, four words if you exclude "and") and HGSS (Heart Gold and Soul Silver)
SM is Sun and Moon. Two words. This matches RB, GS, RS, DP, BW, and XY. If there's a third version like Eclipse, it will become SME, or whatever the third version's name is. This matches RBY, GSC, and RSE.

Everything above is one letter in the abbreviation for each word that is is abbreviating, sans the word "and." The only set of games that break off from this rule are DPPt, and this is because Pearl and Platinum start with the same letter, so Platinum is denoted as Pt to avoid confusing when discussing Gen 4 games.

The only people who use "SuMo" other than shitposters are redditors, who adopted the phrase because they were afraid of children Googling "SM" and finding sadomasochism. If you use "SuMo" either your post is disregarded as a shitpost or you are disregarded as a redditor who hasn't adapted to the board.

Don't use "SuMo."

>>29679357
It was the best Pokémon season. Because it's fucking Pokémon, not fucking Lain or some shit. For the most part it was similar to previous seasons, but when it got to the good stuff, it did its damndest to do the best it could within the limits of what it can do as the Pokémon anime.

>>29679364
We are literally arguing about the XY series being shonen or nlt which it very much is. Only because the main character doesn't succeed in everything he does doesn't mean it isn't shonen you fucking retard.

>>29679364
>literally says something than takes it back because he can't fucking read
>not being retarded and proving me right
>literally begins to spout buzzwords like "ashnime" because you got nothing

Pathetic, know when you're beaten.

>>29679364
>those are fightning manga/tropes, shonen is about the audience is aimed at, has nothing to do with content, even if the most popular ones resort to common tropes
You are so many miles out of your depth it's hilarious. Why are you trying to assert your assumed superiority over so many people when it's so very obvious that you have no idea what you're typing about? Do you have an intellectual disability or are you an aspiring 'ebin troll'?

Shounen is a genre, a blanket genre, but a genre all the same. There are tropes belonging to it. Not every example of it will contain every trope. Similarly if a children's action film comes out it won't have Bruce Willis murdering people explicitly, but that won't suddenly make it not an action film. You're dense as fuck.

Do you think Alien isn't a horror film because it doesn't have a cabin in the woods in it?

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>comes back to thread
>moron actually thinks current pokemon isn't mostly shonen garbage

>>29679421
>We are literally arguing about the XY series being shonen or nlt which it very much is.
You have yet to prove it.

>Only because the main character doesn't succeed in everything he does doesn't mean it isn't shonen you fucking retard.
No, but since his journey hasnt ended and the show isnt pointing in that direction at all, it means it doesnt have an ongoing plotline, which is what happens in plot driven shonen. The only thing you can argue to this is that it is a comedy based shonen which would require you to ignore pretty much all of you previous arguments(not that they were ver valid though).

>>29679464
>than takes it back because he can't fucking read
What did I take back? You keep claiming this, but, as expected from ashfags, you provide no proof.

>literally begins to spout buzzwords like "ashnime" because you got nothing
Yeah, attacking the way I write is totally an argument about the ashnime being shonen.

>Pathetic, know when you're beaten.
Ok, beat me and I'll do so.
hint: insulting me wont prove me wrong. Actually saying why what I said is wrong and why what you said is right will. Go.

>>29679511
Next season will be dude ebin slapstick lmao kodomo garbage, though.

>>29679508
>Why are you trying to assert your assumed superiority over so many people when it's so very obvious that you have no idea what you're typing about?
Shonen is a demographic anon. Ignore it if you want.

>Shounen is a genre, a blanket genre, but a genre all the same.
No, it's a demography. /a/ even gets triggered when you call it so. Death Note and DB are very different stuff, are you seriously saying they're the same genre?

>Do you think Alien isn't a horror film because it doesn't have a cabin in the woods in it?
Horror is a genre you retard, that's a different thing.

>>29679511
It's kodomo, not shonen.

>>29679514
>Wait, scratch that, you used this for kodomo, not shonen.

You dense fuck. You have lost. You literally only have buzzwords left.

>>29679558
>/a/ even gets triggered when you call it so
don't call it so

>>29679563
Scratch the part quoted you retard, learn to read. You still have to prove the ashnime is for 18 year old.

>>29679294
Just because it's been done before doesn't mean that it'd be the same. Also since when do people give a fuck about Ash, the blandest amine protagonist ever? Bitching about it now is really pointless. When the first episodes air and it will suck you can rip the series to the pieces because there'd be an actual reason to do so

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>>29679558
>it's kodomo

So Naruto is kodomo too? Interesting

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>>29678981
comfy, loli, boring betacuck animus

>>29679593
>Naruto
>published in weekly SHONEN jump

I think Canipa Effect does a really good job of describing the good of XY, while pointing out the advantages that SM seems to have over it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBH3IYRjaw

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AHAHAHA THEY EVEN GAVE HIM A FUCKING YOKAI WATCH RIPOFF, SASUGA GAMEFREAk

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>>29679225
This. Thanks anon

>>29675549

fuck Cal Arts!

>>29679589
Literally your whole post was irrelevant because of that quote. Literally you being retarded and not being able to read. Shonen is for young boys. Kodomo is for very small children.

You have already lost. Plenty of people are against you and clearly proving you wrong. You're only so extremely stubborn and won't admit this and instead keep repeating yourself like a parrot. Really pathetic. Either fuck off or admit that you're wrong. Unless you have watched the whole series or most of it everything you say is irrelevant and that has been the case from start simply because you have absolutely no idea of how XY is played out.

>>29679592
Fact of the matter is, Ash is still the protagonist, the guy we follow and are supposed to root for. And he's showcased as a bigger retard than ever in the upcoming show. I would've loved for his story to end in XY so that they can finally do a proper reboot of the whole shebang. But if the new protag would've been showcased in the same way SM Ash is now, I would likewise not have given it much praise before its airing.

It's not like Ash is the only thing we know about the new series either, we also know he's stuck in school and won't partake in any Gym challenges, because like in the game there are no Gyms. We don't know for certain if it's a good change or not, but school SoL doesn't really sound that interesting to most fans.

>>29679612
That's what you're saying when XY&Z is literally narutom

>>29679558
>Shonen is a demographic anon
No it is not, it is a genre created for a demographic. When it was created it was just "this one is for boys, this one is for girls" and from there they grew into genres with tropes and everything else. Soon came the likes of Tetsujin, which had a demographic exactly the same as the shounen genre's one, but it had none of the tropes and was classified as 'mecha'. You're an idiot.

>/a/ even gets triggered
Oh, wow, autistic 4chan users get triggered when you explain something to them that betrays their random assumptions, what a shocker.

>Death Note and DB are very different stuff
What is your point?

>Horror is a genre you retard
That is some thick irony, I'm beginning to think you're actually really stupid.

You were calling yourself a news reporter or something right? I'm assuming, then, that you're one of those Philip DeFranco style youtube guys who reads unsolicited sources and recites them on video for 30 subscribers.
It's the only thing that makes sense, since someone who is as impervious to lateral thinking such as yourself is sure to have enough lack of self-awareness to think a vanity faux-news channel with no sources or credibility is anything other than an attention seeking endeavour.

Hilarious.

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>>29679225
You forgot the most importent. NO FINGERLESS GLOVES OR FINGERNAILS.

>>29679683
>Literally your whole post was irrelevant because of that quote.
No, since you can be wrong about an aspect and not the entirety. Being able to admit you're wrong is a good thing anon, you should learn that.

> Shonen is for young boys.
The wikipedia definition, which you didnt contest, goes up to 18, so prove the ashnime is aimed at them. You keep dodging this.

>Kodomo is for very small children
Yes,going by that, 3-8 and the like, which is what the ashnime is aimed to.

>You have already lost.
YOu havent provided a single argument as to why its shonen.

>Plenty of people are against you and clearly proving you wrong.
ad populum

>. Unless you have watched the whole series or most of it everything you say is irrelevant and that has been the case from start simply because you have absolutely no idea of how XY is played out.
Again, you fags bring it up but fail to see what I am supposed to be in the wrong about this. In any other show with actual content, you might be right, since it's very likely you can't easily predict what's gonna happen. But you have yet to provide proof.

>>29679705
>when XY&Z is literally narutom
First, learn what literally means.
Secondly, no, since at best, you're pointing some aesthetical similarities, which is not what demography is about. Your post is like saying CSI and kochikame are aimed at the same group of people because they have cops.

>>29679766
Don't forget the sideburns.

>>29679695
He seems more like a fun loving goof in a region that encourages that personality, rather than being retarded. Kind like how when people are on vacation they tend to act sillier. So long as he doesn't reach the actual retard levels of BW, he should probably work fine.
As for the school SoL, if they can manage to pull off a similar feeling to the Rockman.exe anime, I think it can successfully please the Shounen demographic.

>>29679712
>No it is not, it is a genre created for a demographic.
Ok, what other genres aim at the shonen demographic?

>When it was created it was just "this one is for boys, this one is for girls"
exactly(sorta). That only proves I'm right tho since that's not a thematic division.

>What is your point?
Both have been published in weekly SHONEN jump, so according to you they are from the same genre. I dont remember end of the world fights or talking pigs in Death Note. Or international detective work in DB. Of course, you are going to ignore this.

>That is some thick irony
How?

>You were calling yourself a news reporter or something right? I'm assuming, then, that you're one of those Philip DeFranco style youtube guys who reads unsolicited sources and recites them on video for 30 subscribers.
It's the only thing that makes sense, since someone who is as impervious to lateral thinking such as yourself is sure to have enough lack of self-awareness to think a vanity faux-news channel with no sources or credibility is anything other than an attention seeking endeavour.
ad hominem, you havent provided a single argument, unless you count saying I'm right.

>>29679796
>First, learn what literally means

But you don't even know what it is.

>>29679861
>XYZ is literally Naruto
Then why isnt XYZ called Naruto?

>>29675567
fpwp

>>29679839
Not him but literally the only """argument""" you actually has is what is and what is not in a magazine. It's just sad. Give it a rest dude, you're clearly outmatched and clearly lost a while ago.

>>29679869
>being this autistic with how the word "literally" is used

So you got nothing huh?

>>29679915
> is what is and what is not in a magazine
What magazine? No one brought this up yet against me.

>>29679933
>being this autistic about one line and ignoring the rest of the post
So you got nothing huh?

>>29679695
Retards could still be loveable. And I think they're just showing off the ''goofy moments'' to attract the younger demographic, which is a pretty big deal since they've already gotten the older one by Pokemon Go and nostalgic stuff in SM. School is just the setting and what gets me really excited are UBs, team Skull, and Aether Foundation. UBs in particular seem like a really bizzare concept that could work really well if done right. I'm not going to judge it untill it comes out, but I'm pretty optimistic about this one

>>29679796
>First, learn what literally means
Irony, mate. 'Literally' employed through hyperbole to emphasise a point is completely valid English and autistically and ironically isolating a word in spite of its use and context marks you as a big fool.

>aesthetical
Not a word, making your pedantic nonsense even more laughable.

>>29679839
>what other genres aim at the shonen demographic
learn to read, mate.

>That only proves I'm right tho since that's not a thematic division
Ignorant gibberish

>Both have been published in weekly SHONEN jump
Shounen Jump is a magazine for boys, it doesn't bestow genres in and of itself. You may as well claim that the Smashing Pumpkins are Britpop because NME featured them.

>I dont remember end of the world fights or talking pigs in Death Note. Or international detective work in DB. Of course, you are going to ignore this
I forgot that a specific plot needs to be in every example of a genre, yeah. Just like how Ichigo collects all the dragon balls. Learn to argue, retard.

>you havent provided a single argument, unless you count saying I'm right
Ironic shitpost. I have provided countless arguments and you exclude them from your shitposts, meanwhile you've made absolutely no arguments at all. I'm used to this, especially on /vp/ where being a defensive wreck who is afraid of discovering they may have been wrong about something seems to be contagious.

>>29679956
>What magazine? No one brought this up yet against me.


>Both have been published in weekly SHONEN jump

Come on dude, shit like this makes it obvious why everybody here calls you a retard.

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>>29675567
>One side has shading to give depth and detail
>Other side has only as much shading as is absolutely necessary
>people will unironically defend the new anime's art style despite how garbage it actually is

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>>29679995
I don't fucking understand why people can't admit when they're wrong and just leave. What makes a person so autistic that he need to spend his time digging himself into a hole deeper and deeper for every post?

>>29675549
Because people who watch anime, ESPECIALLY people who watch the fucking pokemon anime, will eat up literally anything thrown at them. A lazier artstyle costs less, thus the cheaper alternative is taken.

>>29680086
Are you asking me or accusing me? It's hard to tell, anon.

SM art style is much better.

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>this whole thread
who cares if it's shounen or not, it's a braindead anime deep as toddler Serena's vagina.

>>29680136
>will eat up literally anything thrown at them

Don't act like that applies to the anime only. That's literally the whole franchise. There's a reason why the last games have been garbage.

>>29680155
Asking, I think you make some really great point.

The concept that somebody gives a shit what they do with Ash at this point is something I could never understand in a million years.

>>29680078
They both have garbage shading

>>29679995
>. 'Literally' employed through hyperbole to emphasise a point is completely valid English
which is retarded since that means "not literally"

>Not a word
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/aesthetical

>learn to read, mate.
You didn't provide the asked example

>Ignorant gibberish
learn to read, mate

>Shounen Jump is a magazine for boys
So....shonen is a demographic?

> it doesn't bestow genres in and of itself.
That's literally my point.

>I forgot that a specific plot needs to be in every example of a genre, yeah
You had to prove what they had in common and failed.

>>29679996
The pokemon ANIME was published in a MANGA magazine? Whoa

>>29680136
>>29680158
>artstyle
The word is aesthetic, there's no such thing as an 'art style' and art, an intangible approach to communicating ideas in such a way that they otherwise couldn't be, is inherently incapable of being 'styled' because it isn't a medium.

>>29680188
Ah, I could do a little amateur psychology. There's this cultural phenomenon where people, when engaged in a discussion, don't actually pay attention to what's said to them and instead listen out for buzzwords and spend their time waiting to respond. There's this whole "I saw someone say this so that's the truth as I know it and since I know it everyone else is wrong" thing. I think it comes as a side effect of people who never really had much social interaction being introduced to the internet and all of this information. It's a weird thing, I'd love to read up on it. Behavioural psychology, maybe Dan Dennett might have something on it.

I have a real life friend who does this same thing, some entire behaviour, in person and it's the worst. Something that I'm literally an authority will come up and he'll shout over me and after I explain to him that he has to let me speak so I can actually try to explain it he'll exclaim "you haven't explained anything". It's the worst.

>>29680086
>I don't fucking understand why people can't admit when they're wrong and just leave.
I can do that and done it many times before, but you to make admit I'm wrong, you have to provide proof, and counter my arguments, and so far all you're doing is ignore definitions, call me names, resort to ad populum, ignore my statements and contradicting your own.
I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong if I am wrong.
Now, why can't you do it too?

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>>29680323
That's a good explanation. This has been a major problem everytime I engage in an argumentation on 4chan, especially here on /vp/. It basically always become a contest of who can spend the most time writing shit before one quits.

>>29679347
If you don't work for Nintendo, you don't know what they do. If you do, then your point is moot, because you don't know more than the guys who work for Nintendo. Just atop lying on the internet.

>>29680369
Every single of your """arguments""" have been countered and proved wrong with you just repeating yourself and covering your ears while screaming "YOU'RE WRONG". Don't be ridiculous. At this point you just try to hang in there as long as possible simply because you're very stubborn and clearly don't know when it's time to admit that you're wrong and move on.

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>>29675567
I saw the animation.

Its still shit.

>>29680258
>which is retarded since that means "not literally"
No, it makes use of the definition of literally to imply that it is so similar that it is beyond doubt. Usage of literally in this sense dates back to, literally, the dawn of popular culture.

>dictionary dot com
Oh, wow, a colloquial Americanisation. Whatever, that doesn't constitute an argument, now you're just trying to defend yourself and still not making any arguments to support your random statements about genres.

>You didn't provide the asked example
That is because what you asked and your asking that shows that you misread what I had written and this example you're searching for is imagined.
If you want other genres that have produce that is also aimed at young boys then there's Sailor Moon and other 'shoujo' manga that actually cater largely to teenage boys, the likes of Macross, Welcome to the NHK, Crayon Shin Chan.

>ironically imitating me

>So....shonen is a demographic?
No, i t is a word literally meaning 'boys' and I already explained why and how there is a genre called 'shounen' and why it has its own tropes, you mong.

>That's literally my point
No, it's literally the opposite of your implications

>You had to prove what they had in common and failed
No, I had to beat you in this argument and I did that before I even hit submit the firs time. You're only fooling yourself, lad.

>>29680392
>This has been a major problem everytime I engage in an argumentation on 4chan, especially here on /vp/
It's come to a point where I come to /vp/ expecting it. It's worse when there's a group of them spamming at you and you're outnumbered. /wooo/ has similar arseholes in Japanese wrestling threads and I wonder if it has something to do with 'weeaboos'. I know the whole 'calling drawings art' and 'artstyle' thing comes from bad fan translations and is from that community and exclusive to it.

>>29680457
>Every single of your """arguments""" have been countered and proved wrong
Where? When? If you're gonna make that claim you have to have proof to back it, and you didn't even quote posts ITT.
You're pretty much saying I'm wrong because I posted too much, which is not proof that my arguments are wrong. Am I wrong? Well, it's entirely possible, but you have to provide actual proof. Not just saying I'm wrong, that doesnt contribute anything.

So, I'l ask your own question, why can't you accept you're wrong? Or I'm the only person that can be wrong?

>>29675587
noone has debated this yet

that means it is correct

>>29680529
>no one has debated alien crop circles yet
>that means they're correct

Time to acquire a new brain anon.

>>29680529
Well, it is correct.

So is this
>>29678801

>>29680557
Actually, people have debated that

Checkmate

>>29679007
>>29679061
>>29679089
Anime is NOT real. It is like the tooth fairy and Santa.
I REPEAT, anime is NOT real. Did you hear me?

>>29680579
there is new ""evidence"" posted every week, people just don't give a shit because they're not dumb. Same thing for the sky trumpets recently.

>>29679168

imo you are fucking stupid, this is kids show that was packed with shonen action, of course blood-less and toned but still, it's rather pretty brutal that satoshi been tortured, that one guy demolished kalos ect.

XY-XYZ is clearly shonen like, but still is directed for children's

what fucking problem you have...

>>29680506
>No, it makes use of the definition of literally to imply that it is so similar that it is beyond doubt. Usage of literally in this sense dates back to, literally, the dawn of popular culture.
Ok, I'll concede that one.

>Oh, wow, a colloquial Americanisation. Whatever, that doesn't constitute an argument, now you're just trying to defend yourself and still not making any arguments to support your random statements about genres.
You said "aesthetic" is not a word and I provided some thing you might not know about called proof. Saying it's not valid, just in the statement after you claimed the popular use of "literally" is correct, is inconsistent. Pick one.

>That is because what you asked and your asking that shows that you misread what I had written and this example you're searching for is imagined.
You said shonen is one genre for boys, which implies there are other genres. What are these other genres? That's what I was asking.

>If you want other genres that have produce that is also aimed at young boys then there's Sailor Moon and other 'shoujo' manga
Shojo is for girls retard. Macross is for otaku and welcome to the NHK is actuall seinen, none of which are covered by young boys.
Shin Chan is your only possible example and is not a genre on its own. Provide the asked example.

>No, i t is a word literally meaning 'boys'
So it;s a demographic.

> and I already explained why and how there is a genre called 'shounen'
And yet the examples you provided for other genres aimed at boys are manga not aimed at boys.

1/2

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>>29675549
So when did 4 chan officially become a youtube comment section?

>>29680529
>>29680566
>bad voice acting

Unless you watch the garbage english dub this is far from correct. Most of the voice actors are one of the best and most experienced in the industry.

>>29680506
>No, it's literally the opposite of your implications
No, learn to read, if the magazine is called SHONEN then it doesnt mean it sticks to one genre, but it does stick to one demographic, therefore, shonen is a demographic division. To prove this wrong, you should provide tropes common to all of its manga, but you already said they dont all have the same tropes, therefore making shonen not a genre.

>I did that before I even hit submit the firs time. You're only fooling yourself, lad.
Anon, proving me right doens't count as beating me. Kinda the opposite.

2/2

>>29680623
Shonen is for fucking children you retard

>>29680632
It's VP, nothing more than little kids, so you shouldn't be surprised.

>>29680636
>implying you know how good Japanese voice acting should sound and don't think it's good because you're a weeaboo who thinks Japanese sounds cool

YO HO HO

>>29680661
No, but I can read the opinions of nips on twitter, read about their previous works and how well they have been recieved and the general opinion about them.

>>29680655

but shonen type is directed for >older -KIDS- than regular pokemon anime... xyz was directed in a way of an regular shonen

>>29680661
A voice actor has to do with how you can adapt your voice to the situation in question. Doesn't matter what language it is, you can tell this very easily. Especially when you have grown up with everything being subtitled.

>>29680750
Shonen literally means young boy. It's not purely for older kids.

>>29680774
A good* voice actor

>>29675549
were they aiming for spic ash? cause they got it

>>29680800

young boy is still fucking kid... christ... I just can't

maybe I will put it simpler

pokemon was always mix of kids show + shonen but xy+z put into it more of shonen

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I watched all of XY and XYZ and I agree it makes for shitty shonen. Even its best fights are maybe just above average by shonen standards, and that's only in visual presentation and fight direction. They lack the emotional build up and subtext to elevate them beyond their physical aspects. Even Pokemon itself did this better in previous seasons, where major fights felt like they had more on the line. The show sacrified all its humor and soul for some mediocre action. If SM does nothing but bring back the fun adventure aspect it will already surpass XY.

>>29679378
I say SUMO because it's funny and triggers gargantuan autists like you.

Protip: obsessing over patterns and arbitrary rules is a hallmark of autism.

>>29681004
>I'm a shitposter

You could have just said that.

>>29680581
How can anime not be real if our eyes are real?

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>>29680625
>You said "aesthetic" is not a word
No I did not and as someone who practices art-making as a career I know a thing or two about the language revolving around it.

>You said shonen is one genre for boys
No, I explained that it is born from things made for boys and became a genre.

>Shojo is for girls retard. Macross is for otaku and welcome to the NHK is actuall seinen, none of which are covered by young boys.
Shin Chan is your only possible example and is not a genre on its own. Provide the asked example.
My explanation makes sense, I suppose you need to have a functioning mind to understand it though.
NHK was serialised in Shounen Ace, as well. So you just beat your own argument again.

>So it;s a demographic
Ignorantly restating things without an explanation isn't an argument.

>And yet the examples you provided for other genres aimed at boys are manga not aimed at boys
How are you this dumb? Macross, Tetsujin, Code Geass and Gundam are all targeted at young boys, none of them are shounen.

>To prove this wrong, you should provide tropes common to all of its manga, but you already said they dont all have the same tropes, therefore making shonen not a genre
Already did that.

>Anon, proving me right doens't count as beating me. Kinda the opposite how is it possible to be this deluded?
You made a statement and were proven wrong. You have offered no counter arguments of any kind and have instead shat yourself in circles while being meticulously picked apart by actual arguments based in fact.

>>29681025
>you're a shitposter because you use an acronym that I don't like

You could have just said
>I'm autistic

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>this thread

Doppidy dooppity kill yourselves.

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>>29675549
The animation they're using is now 3D, but the program is so well-integrated with respects to the camera perspective, it has pretty much mastered how to take a 3D shape and make it look like a decent 2D. Now they don't have to hand-draw anything, and with this new style can explore more options outside of Ash. Literally the entire pokemon world will become the main character.

An example of this work are the Pokemon Generations stuff. None of you notice this, but all of that is 3D animation rendered and re-mastered to appear 2D.

This is the future of animation: Fluid beautiful animation done in half the time.

Assuming the animation entertainment doesn't go under due to...economy or whatever...then we now have a bright and beautiful future in animation as they master the style in better ways.

>>29679464
Screencap this argument!

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>>29679589
Anon, your grasping the straws here

>>29681145

>they didn't have to hand-draw because of 3D

JESUS CHRIST...

>>29681203

>Make 3D model
>Program the parameters of final render
>Pose camera and figures
>Render
>Repeat
>Create animation
>Only one figure was created, and it probably involved minimal hand drawing.

Get with the times, bro. This is the future.

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>>29681145
Oh fug

>>29681131
>discussion on a website for discussions
>"hurr kill yourselves"
Ironic shitposts are the actual cancer here, mate. That and the retards who think discussion means repeatedly shouting sweeping statements in spite of being disproven.

>>29681249

how is that even possible because this sounds like magic... what about in-between frames, what about edgy movement, this is impossible to animate something without DRAWING

even 3d modelling = drawing

>>29681131
>TL;DR

KYS

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>all these autism in this cancer thread

>>29681300

I mean... 3d models have different structure okay but anime is different, or you just meant they are modelling 3d anime and translating it to 2d

>>29681300
This has been a common practice for a while now, to my knowledge the programmes are written in such a way that they automate the in-betweens. Have you seen Shiro Bakko? The old man character explains all the issues with it.
Essentially, there's a lifelessness to it - which is why hand-drawn stuff is more charming and why computer generated shows have never amassed a huge following like old hand draw ones have. For something like Pokemon it makes sense to use it, but if you're making something that's meant to be 'good' then you wouldn't be using it - or at least wouldn't be relying on it.
It's the same logic as to why robots in blockbuster films look shit; they have no weight to them because they are programmed models and move around in such a way that you don't buy into them as large, heavy machines.

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>>29681300
It's not magic...it's math.

Think about how Adobe Flash deals with inbetweens. You take two images next to each other, and have a tweener program fill in the rest. This is all happening in, like, a fourth of a second, but it's still happening. It's all programming.

When I said "without drawing" I meant "the amount to be drawn will be severely limited."

Instead of drawing each frame, they instead create a 3D renderable model that is full 3D and movable. Think of a figurine in a computer program. That model has to be manipulated by hand until a finished product is created, and then they can just reuse that model forever and ever until they create a newer one with, like, different clothing or something.

But the point to make here is they can now use 3D to pose a figure which is then rendered with an outline and coloring and other added effects to effectively create something that looks like a 2D image. Then they move it about to match 24 frames per second (or whatever they do in traditional animation) and other than the style of the characters we're tricked in to believing it's a 2D animation.

They get the style and 2D feel they want. They also get to save money and time by using 3D models and advanced programs. We complain about the style of art, but grow use to it in time, then LOVE it forever.

Everyone wins.

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>>29681353
Hi anti-black chicken chan

Also,

>not using the pokemon version

>>29681412

hmm that's interesting, I'm now analysing how clothes reacting in generations ect. and if that's all was wade in 3d than it's amazing...

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>>29681353
Shut it. I'm learning something

>>29681078
>No I did not
>>29679995
>Not a word

>No, I explained that it is born from things made for boys and became a genre.
>became a genre
So it's a genre?

>My explanation makes sense
You had to point out stuff not aimed at boys to prove there's stuff aimed at boys that it's not shonen.

>NHK was serialised in Shounen Ace, as well. So you just beat your own argument again.
My bad, then, I havent watched/read it. That only proves I don't know about NHK and it's indeed a shonen.

>Ignorantly restating things without an explanation isn't an argument.
But I was just repeating what you said which implies that shonen IS a demographic.

>Macross, Tetsujin, Code Geass and Gundam are all targeted at young boys, none of them are shounen.
If they target boys they're shonen.

>Already did that.
No, and when provided a counter example you ignored it.

>You made a statement and were proven wrong.
When? Where? Post p r o o f

>>29681196
Post proof.

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>>29681435
>When I said "without drawing" I meant "the amount to be drawn will be severely limited."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuPJGTt2Av0

>>29681078
Also
>wikipedia defines it as shonen
Ok, so
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Super_Dimension_Fortress_Macross
>manga demographic:shonen
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsujin_28-go
shonen
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Gundam
shonen
Code Geass has manga on many magazines and nothing is said about the anime's demographic.

>>29681436
>>29681486
>not killing yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujmew_Mzmo4

>>29681471

People pay most attention to the face and eyes in an animation. That's literally the selling point...unless it's boobs, but I digress.

So if they were really worried about it, they could just use 3D models fully clothed in 3D but without faces. Then later hand draw 2D faces to give it a better look. Regardless, you've cut the amount of time and effort in creating drawings by hand in to a very small fraction.

In the late 90's 3D came out (Beast Wars, etc) and although some were successful, others reacted negatively to it. I remember hearing from someone that the most common complaint was "The new cartoons look TOO smooth and real."

So they've literally had over 20 years to advance in technology, alter styles, and figure out what formula fits best.

So here we are: An age where it's viable to make everything out of 3D, except maybe the face done in traditional 2D (but even that may be 3D. I honestly don't know).

They've tricked you all. Soon they'll fix this weird looking art style, and give us the perfect product.

Oh...and by the way....most final epic battles in Naruto Shippudden was done in 3D with some 2D touch ups. That's what it could look like soon....pokemon battles in Naruto style of freedom and fluidity....

>>29681435
>We complain about the style of art
Please stop doing this. There's no 'style of art'. There can be a style in a medium, but not in art. And calling animation techniques art is the same as calling being shot or vomiting art. No discipline is art other than art.

>>29681526
I said 'aesthetical' isn't a word, not aesthetic. Jesus Christ, you're not allowed to be this retarded.

>So it's a genre?
Yes, as explained to you countless times, while you clamoured that it is not.

>You had to point out stuff not aimed at boys to prove there's stuff aimed at boys that it's not shonen
Incomprehensible nonsense showcasing your refusal to understand an explanation isn't an argument.

>That only proves I don't know about NHK and it's indeed a shonen
It's not

>which implies that shonen IS a demographic
no, shounen in the sense that it's being discussed here is a genre. If you're in Japan and speaking about boys as well then there is also a demographic, but even then it's more specific than that.

>If they target boys they're shonen
no, they're not.

>when provided a counter example you ignored it
you have done no such thing

>When? Where? Post p r o o f
this entire thread is proof, it's already been posted.

>>29681581
You've now admitted shounen is a genre. Thanks for playing.

>>29681575
To me, that all looks 3D. From the eyes to the horse's lips. Maybe the dancing dolls are 2d? Regardless....that's how convincing it all looks.

>>29678918
Why do i constantly see this gif posted when 4chan discusses animation quality? it shows up on /co/ all the damn time.

her hips dont even rock, its like she's an amputee torso sitting on a solid concrete skirt.

>>29681639
I merely meant whatever you call what makes one entertainment medium look different from another with respects to animation. One Punch Man looks very different with how it's illustrated (it's 3D rendered in 2D, by the way), than that of, let's say, Initial D...or Dragon Ball Z. The eyes, character designs, and other techniques give each a very different style with how it looks.

Whatever you choose to call that is up to you. "Art style" is a good word to use, no matter how much it triggers you, buddy.

>>29679093
>Muh lesbians doing lesbian things is a real anime

Have you seen Girls und Panzer? I wouldnt call grease monkeys having tank battles 'lesbians doing lesbian things'.

>>29681686
>"Art style" is a good word to use, no matter how much it triggers you
No it's not and in using it you tarnish the public understanding of what 'art' actually is. Can you name a currently active 'artist'? I'm sure you can't.

Art is it's own thing. I don't go into a gallery, see a can of beans full of eyelashes or whatever the fuck and say "I love the animation style here" because that's retarded.

Calling an aesthetics 'art styles' is as irritating and stupid as calling html 'progamming style' or calling Coca Cola 'chemistry style'. It's fucking retarded and it's massively disrespectful to the practice of art-making, which happens to be the basis for all of the popular culture and philosophy that makes up your day to day life. Despicable. Just stop being a retard, thanks.