I'm the only one that hates the new artstyle?

You better watch out OP! This thread is going to be swarmed by denialfag apologists who pretend the series has kept the same art style for 20 years

I'd certainly dig a return to more organic proportions. Incineroar and Crawbrawler especially

>>29673524
>modelate

They're both cartoony birds, stop pretending that Pokemon used to be in any way realistic.

>>29673579
/thread

>>29673524
Yes

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No. Id taje dewgong over this trash anyday.

>>29673524
The problem isn't realism, but that the art style has become too sanitized and soft. I perfectly think gen 3 was the best balance between smoothness and rough details

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>>29673552
There is no argument, it is too obvious.

>>29673579
>all cartoons are the same thing

Sure, and I can put Steven Universe in the 90s X-Men cartoon and no one will notice the crossover

>>29673524
>implying Fearow's beak isn't the most cartoony shit
The arstyle changed, sure, but neither is realistic.
It's like old anime vs new anime

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>>29673607
Get your hand out of your rectum and type that again.

>>29673524
Don't compare owl feathers to bird feathers. They're different animals. Also, owl feathers are rounded like that. They're not pointy. Look up an owl sometime and look at its weird round/squared feathers

When I see Decidueye, I see an owl with a Robin Hood theme, which I think is pretty well-done. On the other hand, Fearow looks a generic bird.

This thread again?

>using gen 1 biggest shitmon as an example
>bitching about the amatomy of cartoon characters
If you're cherrypicking, at least do it right

>>29673662
That's design, not artstyle

>>29673524
Honestly, I just wish they'd redraw all the older designs in the new style so that things were consistent.

I don't give a shit about if gen 1 looks more "realistic", it still has the worst designs overall.

>>29673524
less bland than Gen 2 I'd say

>>29673697
>what is gen 5

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Meganium is easily better than decidyeye

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>>29673524
Now compare their models

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>>29673524

That's what owl wings look like.

yes, you are literally the only person in this entire world of billions of human beings who does not like any of the various changes to art direction this series has had over its twenty years of existence

>>29673697
you watch your mouth boy

>>29673524
What?

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>>29673524
>Comparing drastically different bird species to prove your point
People like OP are too retarded for this world to share oxygen with.

>>29673524
I miss it, but I've accepted it. I do miss the simplicity, but with over 700 creatures I can't see any way in hell they could make them all distinct in both concept and design. That, and with 1,000s of artists across of the world making their own interpretations, it's almost like their mentality was that people could make their own interpratation of everything.

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>>29673729
F-FUCK OFF.. F-FUCKING D-DENIALFAG

>>29673729
/thread

>>29673729
Why are owls such cool animals?

>>29673712
>What is Gen 2?

>>29673712
this

>>29673729
Yeah and notice how they actually look like feathers and not one huge shape with round edges

>>29673623
I want to see this

You could have used noctowl. My problem with Decidueye is that birds already have bones meat for fingers as the base of the entire wing (Visible in archeopteryx and velociraptor as full fingers)so feather fingers don't make any sense and look dumb to me

But I'm sure actually reading books ruins a lot of pokemon concepts

>>29673873
You're a huge shape with round edges, fatty!

>>29673524
Different birds have different shaped feathers anon. The fact you're picking on the small details of the only good starter while letting CenaCat and TranSeal go shows you're a massive shitposting faggot

Is anybody else just disappointed it wasn't a grass flying type.
I really expected to be able to fly around on my fucking cool ass owl. But instead they basically made it a land-based owl for whatever reason so it could be Ghost type.
I also think a flying type that would have been you know bike looking with white feathers that have like leaves in there something.

>>29674231
>I really expected to be able to fly around on my fucking cool ass owl.
Then get a fucking Noctowl, dumbass.

>>29674231
No, anon. Grass/flying is the opposite of what everybody wanted.

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>>29674231
don't evolve it then

>>29673729
you know...
this guy here looks like those online depictions of stilt-owls

>>29674231
>I really expected to be able to fly around on my fucking cool ass owl.

HMs aren't in Sun & Moon. PokeRide replaces them, with Charizard replacing Fly.

>>29673524
>Owls are birds
Please stop

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>>29674272
>Charizard is made a somewhat mandatory component to the game
>Greninja is made mandatory to the demo and gets its own alternate form
>Pikachu clusterfuck in the demo
Overhyped BS Pokémon are my least favourite.

>>29673524
Sometimes I feel like the newer Pokemon are a touched overdesigned, but idk,isn't the idea with the one on the left that the wings are supposed to look like a cloak to pair with its hood? I mean it isn't even a flying type

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>>29674231
Owls make no sound as they swoop on prey. They could fly right over your fucking head and you wouldn't hear them. They're the second best stealth birds. After nightjars.
Pic related: a nightjar

>>29674377
So why is noctowl flying type then shouldnt it have been ghost/normal type with that logic?

>>29673524
You people do realize that it's not all person that creates these Pokemon, right?

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>>29674231
>I really expected to be able to fly around on my fucking cool ass owl.

You would have just flown around on a generic bird shadowblob again if Poke Ride wasn't a thing.

>>29673524
I love some of the new designs but I prefer the old artstyle

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>>29674377
nightjar best birds
potoo best nightjar

>>29673610
Gen. 3 has some of the best designed legendaries. It's also home to my favorite Pokemon.

>>29674430
IMPLYING AWLS ARE BERBS AHA XD BRO WELL MEMED thanks for the set up fellow /vp/orean

>>29674406
It would have made sense for it to have been Normal/Ghost, yes.

Post more comparisons, I'm neutral on the gen wars but I find them really interesting.

>>29673524
Nah, all the new art is shit. Thankfully the models look a lot better.

>>29674430
Latios at least changed that. But they are repeating the same thing with charizard instead.

>>29673712
Escavalier, Hydreigon, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Vanillite, Haxorus, Victini, and etc.

Generation 5 has plenty of good designs.

>>29674550
>Vanillite
Here's your (You) Unovabortion

>>29674475
>>29674270

Owls are so damn ugly bro.

Gen 1 had a better artstyle, but worse individual designs/concepts

>>29673873
Yeah and notice how one is an actual animal that exists in the real world and another is a cartoon monster that exists in a video game

>>29673694
you're a huge fag

kill yourself

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>>29674606

You're ugly.

>>29674638
Yeah and notice how gen 1 pokemon can still have more realistic anatomy and look better for it instead of looking like a cartoon blob

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>>29673524
Yes, because the "new" artstyle isn't new. Things that are 17 years old in a 20 years old franchise aren't "new".

>>29673524
Only one of those Pokemon is a flying type.

>>29674606
hey I ain't tryin to fuck it

>>29673623
Garfield did it first.

>>29674406
It should have been psychic with it's moveset. But I don't work for gamefreak. The fighting cat is retarded, and the femme seal is horrible, but different strokes for different folks. I don't like the designs but it doesn't mean I have to use them. Beauty of pokemon really. Besides Great horned owls (Noctowl) have superb vision, which fits in more with an all knowing psychic type. Like clairvoyance or precognition.

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>>29673524
>Why aren't these two Pokemon with fundamentally different concepts treated with the same art style? Wahhh!
Because Fearow is meant to look scruffy, like a wild bird, and the style is used to support said concept. That's why Fearow's feathers and general form have more jagged lines, and why its talons are detailed and calloused. It gives the Pokemon a rough appearance, exactly what it's supposed to entail. It's name is Fearow, for fuck's sake.

How the living fuck are you going to expect Decidueye to be treated by the same design principles when it's a completely different concept altogether, you idiot? Decidueye is not meant to look like Fearow, not meant to appear like a vagrant bird, that's why it's not given jagged lines throughout the design, because that would translate the wrong fucking thing. It's an owl, not meant to look fierce, but more calm and collected, and that's well translated in the pose and the hood.

>B-B-But, muh detail!
More detail =/= Better design
Why you think this is beyond me. One of the answers to your whining is right there in the picture, in fact.

>characteristics of a predatory bird
Yes, because Fearow is meant to appear as such, like a haggard bird, nothing noble about it. Decidueye, while based off a predatory bird itself, is NOT meant to look like a haggard, like Fearow.

Take pic related. It's a good design, but not very detailed. OP, you don't need an overload of details to convey a good design. In fact, the more of a concept that you can convey without unnecessary details, the better.

>>29674231
Just like how Charizard X can't fly anymore now that it's Fire/Dragon right?

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>>29674714
>Fearow
>Looking better than Decidueye
I want genwunners to leave.

>>29674475
Their stealth is so good that they're not used to seeing others. They're so not used to seeing others that they always look like they're at their own surprise party

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>>29674776

>>29673712
>>29673808
>>29673837
You guys have apparently never played Gen 4

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>>29673524

At least use Fearow's modern art for fuck's sake

Also, Sugimori isn't doing the art this gen, Ohmura is

>>29674749
/thread

>>29673524
I would have definitely prefered if Deciueye had "sharp" feather. like Spearow.

>>29674272
The datamine confirmed that fly is now a TM though. You can probably still fly with your pokemon, you just don't need to have a dedicated flying pokemon/HM slave to get around easier.

>>29673524
New artstyle is bland, simpler and cutified unfortunately. I agree OP the older artstyle is significantly better.

>>29674759(You)
(You) know that gyardos cant fly despite being water/flying right?

>>29673524
Owl feathers are softer/smoother. Obviously.

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>>29673585
>>29673798
>>29674885
Kindly fuck off.

>>29675110
>Gen 2
>new

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>>29675138
Kindly fuck off.

>>29674843
Fuck. I'm mobile poster. You have that in a gif.
Sorry for my cancerous ways

>>29675138
>Head is circular and looks separated from its body for kawaii uguu look
Except, retard, that is the exact opposite of the process used to make something cute. You don't separate things. You make them smaller, chubbier, and bunch all their features together.

>Looks more like an actual mouse with its rounded shape.
No, it doesn't. This picture is also full of shit seeing as it praises the first Pikachu's formless blob of a body but then goes on to shit on Keldeo for being guilty for the exact same thing.

Again. Realistic and detailed =/= Better design.

Start talking about how the elements used in said designs actually work better towards the concepts being conveyed instead of crying about lack of detail, and then we'll talk.

>>29675138
>I have no argument, so let me just post this totally not biased picture.

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>>29675212
>I have no argument, so I'm just going to post /thread repeatedly because I can't actually form an opinion on my own

>>29675138
You're not doing a very good job of arguing against this guy:>>29674749

Also, I don't think you understand: Pokemon designs are part of art. Look at art from 20 years ago and compare it to art today. A lot has changed, so why would Pokemon be any different? In a few more years, Pokemon are gonna look different again, just like every other form of modern art that ever existed. So let's just appreciate all of it is rather than what it isn't or what it used to be or what it will be.

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>>29675181
Are you sure you can't just open it in another tab?

Anyway.

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>>29675138
>>29675243

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>>29675211
>You make them smaller, chubbier, and bunch all their features together.

This is objectively not true. You need a larger head in comparison to the body to make it look smaller and cuter. This is because babies have heads that are 1/4 the length of their body compared to adults being 1/8 and babies are naturally found to be cute.

>This picture is also full of shit seeing as it praises the first Pikachu's formless blob of a body but then goes on to shit on Keldeo for being guilty for the exact same thing.
rodent != equine

>>29675255
Sorry. Thanks for the gif though dude.

>>29673607

(You)

>>29675244
>Also, I don't think you understand: Pokemon designs are part of art. Look at art from 20 years ago and compare it to art today
I know, Einstein. I've studied art for years.

I'm not arguing that the new designs are bad. Of course they change. It's fucking retarded to think that they don't. Art has always been a reaction to itself, a commentary driven by movements and styles that continue to evolve.

I'm not arguing that the old is better than the new, or vice versa, I'm simply explaining the reasoning behind the designs, and why certain principles won't work the same for others.

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>>29675244
No one is arguing that they aren't different retard, the whole point is that they're different but also look WORSE.

>>29675243
>Implying detail=quality of the overall design
when will you genwunners learn?

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>>29675335
>implying lack of detail = quality of the overall design
when will you anti-genwunners learn?

>>29675321
Worse? That's pretty subjective...

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>>29675369
Not worse? That's pretty subjective...

>>29675309
Ok.

>>29675385
Jynx and Sylveon had literally the same designer
sauce: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Altruis/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_their_designers

>>29675385
I like all Pokemon designs.

>>29674606
OWLS?!
That's not an owl.

>>29675354
>implying lack of detail = quality of the overall design
He didn't imply that, or least you would know that if you knew anything about how logic works. He's saying that just because a design is more detailed doesn't automatically make it better. Some simple designs are good. Some are terrible. Some detailed designs are good. Some are terrible as well. That's what he said, and that's what you would've understood if you bothered to think for more than 5 seconds.

>>29675407
>Jynx
I meant to type the older eevees i'm autistic

>>29673524
>series no longer looks like a constant DBZ clone
I'm very happy with the changes.

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>>29675407
Artists can get worse over time.

>>29675409
Same

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>>29675423
>now it looks like a constant literally every other anime ever clone

yeah what an upgrade

>>29675426
Wait, what? You think that the artists are getting worse? That's totally different, anon

>>29675299
>posting 1998 Pikachu while >>29675176 is also 1998 Pikachu

>posting an Hamtaro from 2011 which is from 2006
>the Hamtaro on the left's design stopped being used in 2001 in the third season, barely 2 years after the start, 55 episodes in in a series of almost 300 episodes

>>29675457
This is just... so wrong

>>29675118
How is that even related to the chain of replies?

Let's be honest. Decidueye's wing "fingers" are awkward as fuck.

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>>29675478
Yeah, I agree.

All this thread has told me is that Gen 1 has an art style significantly different from every generation after.
Almost like most of the original Pokemon were ideas of monsters and animals put together by someone who had no idea it'd make it big; and starting with Generation 2 there was a process to how things worked.
Who would've fucking thunk it?

>>29675488
They do, but I guess it's really the only way it can pull back its bow string to shoot without it looking too weird when it does that

>>29675500
I'm starting to hate everything on the left side of my screen.

>>29675486
He said charizsrd x cant fly anymore because of its typing. Despite clearly being able to fly you cannot teach gyarados to fly.

>>29673524
Yeah, my tastes have changed since twenty years ago, too. Curse growing up.

>>29675495
I was disagreeing with (you)

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>>29673524
what I really don't understand is the fact that OP's pic basically has "simplification" for the sake of merch as a bad thing

If that were the case, then it's probably intentional because Pokemon merch makes up a lot of what makes Pokemon such a hit

I can understand gen 1 because Red and Green weren't expected to sell as much/not have any merch at all, but for gen 2 onward it was the opposite

I hate to break it to you guys, but nothing has changed.
There simply isn't a such thing as an "art style" It's not even a real term. Art is a medium that is not subdivided into styles

>>29675500
Ye

You get it

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>>29675495
>using Primeape's design as an example of detail
>ignoring the cartoony vein and the significantly less detailed hands and feet while comparing it to Darmanitan, which has defined fingers and toes

>>29675138
>>29675243
>>29675321
>>29675354
>>29675385
>tfw NO ONE is able to disprove these

When will you newfags learn? Gen 1 is the pinnacle of Pokemon design.

>we need another generic flying/normal type to bloat out the dex some more
>so far we have some pidgeons, a duck with a leek that's kinda funnny and some weird retarded roadrunner things
>fuck it, give em a pink winged sparrow and a heron with a rubber glove on it's head.

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>>29675535
But it is so wrong. The new designs, that is.

>>29674691
awwwww I want one

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>>29673524
>ITT: The same argument that's been going on since Gen 2.

I know /vp/ likes to shitpost but this is too much.

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>>29675574
>so far we have some pidgeons
Pidgey, despite the name, is more like a skylark.

>>29675544
>this again
Why do people say that art styles don't exist? And why is this term only on /vp/ of all places?

>>29673524
Generation 1 bird pokemon are all shit, no exceptions

All of them can move the top half of their beaks as if its on a hinge and not just a hardened part of their face. Or did you all forget that retardation

>>29675585
>>29675492
>>29675426
What's it like being so self-centered you think this is the first time this argument has ever been made? Hint: it's not, it's been done countless times on this board alone. Stop beating a dead horse you faggot.

>>29675522
Yes, but the point is that Decidueye is probably still going to be able to fly despite losing its Flying typing.

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>>29675636
What's it like being so self-centered you think this is the first time this argument has ever been made? Hint: it's not, it's been done countless times on this board alone. Stop beating a dead horse you faggot.

>>29675636
He's posting it because so many newfag apologists actually defend how shitty Pokemon designs have become.

>>29675655
>realistic proportions
Seals don't have bulldog faces and can't support their weight on their chests with their tail bent all the way up.

Seel is ugly and uncreative anyways

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>>29675655
>What's it like being so self-centered you think this is the first time this argument has ever been made? Hint: it's not, it's been done countless times on this board alone. Stop beating a dead horse you faggot.

>>29675669
>have become

Every gen has dogshit designs, just because something looks more like a living animal doesn't mean it's a good design at all.

Seel is literally just a white seal with downsyndrome and a horn.

>>29675495
>round ball of fur ith legs and arms compared to a actual shape with some different sized arms and legs

>>29675655
Please stop. Honestly... who cares about this that much anymore? Pokemon are Pokemon, and they'll always be different, even if that means being unrealistic. What makes it any worse now then before? Pokemon wasn't supposed to be realistic anyway. It's nice that it used to be, but that's in the past.

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>>29675321
Apparent whoever made this has never seen a shrimp before.

>>29675755
Shut up anti-gewunner. Newer Pokemon designs will always be worse.

>>29673524
Fearow is a normal Pokèmon, Decidueye is not.

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>>29675138

Fletchling looks almost exactly like the bird it's based on

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>>29675755
>Please stop.

Nah

>>29673524
yes
(you)

Stop replying to this troll thread, you retarded fucks.

Just report it and move on.

>>29675790
Stellar argument, anon.

I love all generations for what they are. I don't have a favorite or least favorite. I am no "genwunner" or "anti-genwunner", just a gen...lover.

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I do miss the 90s aesthetic.
Anti-genwunners will always be infinitely more cancerous than genwunners ever will. One's doing it out of nostalgia and preference, the other is doing it purely out of spite.

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>>29675790
Here's your (You)

>>29675585
What are you trying to tell us? Nobody gives a shit about the artstyle being cartoonish now.

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>>29675804
>>29675826
>mfw when faggots reply to obvious b8

>>29675821
>>29675827
>Actually defending the Digimon-tier designs of today

Disgusting. Apologists like you are why Pokemon is so far down the crapper now.

>>29675852
>Actually defending the Digimon-tier designs of today

Disgusting. Apologists like you are why Pokemon is so far down the crapper now.

>>29675869
You want (You)s? This is how you get (You)s.

>>29675884
You want (You)s? This is how you get (You)s.

>>29675804
Mew isn't supposed to be a fetus.

>>29675642
Its wings would make it impossible. Because they've been converted into bows.

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>>29673524
whine more

>>29675804
Why do insist on coming over to /vp/ if you don't like new Pokemon?

>>29675986
Because he is autistic. Isn't that obvious?

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>>29675914
Yes it is. That's why it's known as the ancestor of all Pokemon. Because all fetuses look the same early in development even though they're vastly different animals.

>>29675946
I don't think so, but we'll see when the game's out.

>>29676020
>yellow on spike with a straight line is bad
>but on pikachu's ears it's ok
lol

>it's wings are conformed
>poor attempt of
>modelate

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>Manchildren complaining about a children game looking like it's made for children
This board is seriously more autistic than r9k

>>29675804
Why is it always NFE pokemon in these pictures?

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>>29675946
>Its wings would make it impossible.

Realistically speaking, it's impossible to fly with wings sprouting from your back either.

Wings only work when they take the place of arms.

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>this entire thread

I for one am glad with how the new designs turn out. Conceptually, they're a lot more interesting than what they did back in the day.
I get why people prefer the older style, but complaining about it on some website isn't going to change anything Game Freak does.

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>>29676051
because pikachu has more detail to make up for it.

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>>29676020
>>29675985
>autism: the thread

>>29676090

Because OP is a cherrypicking faggot

The NFEs have gotten cuter so they can sell merchandise, but evolved Pokemon still have more realistic proportions.

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>>29676119
>defending autism

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>This thread

>>29676119
>yellow on spike with a straight line is bad
>but on pikachu's ears it's ok
lol

>>29676119
Did you get banned on /v/ ?

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>>29676119
This one is much more detailed for sure.

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So much nitpicking.

>>29675138
realistic mons sucks, just like mudsdale

How do I unsee all this so I can go back to liking things in blissful ignorance?

>>29673729
Yeah, people comparing owls to birds are real stupid. OP would next show persian and compare it with lycanroc instead of incineroar.

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>it's this fuck again
Listen buddy, if you're going to argue aesthetics, you better lay the ground rules down first and not just assume that your unspoken premises are going to be accepted. Right now all you're essentially saying is 'hey newer Pokemon are more cartoony' or 'hey the design is less complex', to which I respond with, 'so fucking what'? I'm not saying you have to like it, but you should prove in some form beyond you not liking it that it is 'bad' or worse than the old style if that's what you're arguing.

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>>29676165
>~40 different examples
>one of them is even the same pokemon
>cherrypicking

nice meme

>>29675426
The Jellicent one is really infuriating. The person who made this picture is retarded.

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>>29676119
What about him pokebarneyfag?

>>29673623
And then we'll have the shitty 90's Marvel animation style in the limelight again. No thanks.

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>>29676247
Man... I'm glad the old gens didn't had such unrealistic designs.

>>29673524
>detailed new pokemon
It's overdesigned, they need to go back to simplified, elegant designs. GF ruined pokemon, damage control more Alolacucks!
>simple new pokemon
It's too cartoony and unrealistic, they need to go back to complex, intricate designs. GF ruined pokemon, damage control more Alolacucks!

This board is exhausting.

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>>29676247
>comparing an ostrich to a Robin

>>29673691
The art style is shit too I'm glad we moved past those ugly ass triangle eyes. Fearow is one of the most boring designs of gen one and that's saying something. The eyes of Slowbro's shell are perhaps the most embarrassing use of those eyes. No depth whatsoever.

>>29676224
Some people like to think that a more realistic design is somehow superior.
This whole argument boils down to "sharp angles are somehow better than rounded ones"
It's a joke.

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>>29676315
>they can't even be bothered to draw the tails separately

holy shit

>>29676119
See a doctor about your autism and receive glasses as well. Vulpix and Alola Vulpix's heads are the same size. And it's tail is fluffy because it's snow.

>>29673712
The decent gen with a lot of interesting concepts that only gets shit on because memeing. I'll admit that the art could have been better but it's far from the worst.

Great to see that /vp/ still falls for these threads

>>29676119
But that's the fucking point of Bewear. I don't like its design too much, but most of these completely ignore the theme behind the Pokémon designs, it's retarded.
I'll give a point to Vulpix/Ninetales losing the the actual tails though, I didn't notice before and it kind of bothers me now.

>>29676357
It's snow.

>>29676151
>Not realizing every "argument" in this thread is pure autism.

>>29675804
This is hilarious because it kinda proves the point of functionality of design.
Functionality is the primary objective of design.
"broad appeal" is secondary.

All of the mons on the left are more difficult to replicate than the mons on the right. Whether it be for anime, figures, TCGs, so on. The mons on the right have a better functionality to them.
Let's take Tangrowth for example. Have you seen artists where they try to render out every single hair on a person's head? It's busy, distracting, and time consuming. It's far more functional (and I'd argue, more skillful) to group segments together and imply a bung of hair.
As an artist, I find charm in the 90's style here, but I prefer the more recent styles of drawing. They're more artful and not obsessed with detail.

Tailsposter, where are you when you're needed?

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>>29673524
I don't really mind it, particularly because fan art is accessible and rampant for that sort of thing.

It's fine to dislike the style, but why would they over-centralize on a singular style of design when you can have a variety of styles with different appeals.

>>29673770
I really don't miss the simplicity. Even in gen one several Pokemon suffered from not looking distinct enough from eachother. Rhyhorn, Nidoking/Queen, and Kangaskhan all basically have the same body shape. Its better this way.

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>>29673524
>people complain pokemon are overdesigned
>people say genwun is better because of all the detail
I prefer the new style.

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>>29676429
this anon gets it

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>>29676315
ftfy

>all these pics saying Gen 1 designs are better cause of muh realism
I want genwunners to leave so badly.

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>still shitting on pokemon designs
a reminder to get a load of oh fuck it you people will never learn

>>29675426
>vullaby's egg diaper is actually an upside down human skull

holy shit

>>29676460
You're being obtuse on purpose.

Emboar is an overdesigned Pokémon. It's an extremely simple blob with random details shoved onto it. Emboar would look better if it actually had definition.

Kabutops is a Pokémon with lots of detail, but its body has so much definition it looks natural.

People aren't arguing about designs, they've been consistently solid throughout the generations. People are complaining about the art style. They're two very different things.

See the image in >>29675826.

>>29676315
Is is wrong to say I prefer Snowtails over OG Ninetails now that I see them back to back ? Seriously, it just looks more appealing to the eye.

>>29676429
>As an artist
>not obsessed with detail

Dude, you're missing out on all the fun of drawing.

>>29676548
>People are complaining about
Should be the new motto or headline of /vp/

>>29675826
>out of spite
Or just because they don't really give a shit about 90's aesthetics.

>>29676575
Haha Not at all. Studying detail is for students. Simplification of detail is for professionals.

>>29675321
All of those new Pokemon are so much cooler than the old ones. I welcome this.

ESPECIALLY the Clawitzer line. Excuse the pun but Clauncher and Clawitzer BTFO literally my moms crabs so hard. Why do people pretend to like those fucking things? God, even literally who fish looks better than its gen one counterpart.

The thing is, why are you comparing 2 vastly different Pokemon to one another. A more valid comparison would be comparing Kabutops to Carracosta or Archeops.

Granted I don't like Emboar all that much personally. It's flame beard is cool, but it is kinda overdesigned.

However you must realise that for some Pokemon, the newer art style fits while the older one doesn't. Never mind that you're comparing the art which at this point is inferior to the in-game models.

But hey, this is vp. When do rational arguments without trolling ever happen here?

>>29675561
take your (you) and fuck off

>>29675804
>detail
>cuteness
>exaggerated

Are these the new memes? And gen. 1 fags wonder why nobody likes them.

>>29673524
It's not the 90s anymore. Pseudo-""""realistic"""" animal features with Toriyama eyes isn't what sells these days, and you'd be an idiot to think Pokemon isn't 101% about chasing the easy money. The shifts in detail, coloring conventions, faces and proportions isn't something Game Freak or The Pokemon Company came up with themselves - they're just copying the general aesthetic direction that the overall Jap games and anime sectors are leaning towards.

The art isn't worse (or maybe it is? I guess that's all down to opinions) but it is drastically different. That is the case with pretty much every single series that has run this long, and I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing.

>>29675585
Rockruff is best pupper.

some people just want to be little bitches because it makes them feel like they have sophisticated, discriminating tastes

forget that we're talking about cartoon monsters

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>>29676742
No, best Pupper incoming.

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>>29676719
this so hard anon

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>>29675561
I can't disprove them, but that doesn't mean the old designs were better.

Some were, some aren't. Krabby is more appealing than Clawncher, Fletchling is far more appealing than fucking Pidgey. Sometimes mate, simple is better. And there's a reason why Generation 1 is basically MY MOM'S ANIMALS; The Generation.

>>29675138
>>29675243
>>29675321
>>29675354
>>29675385
>>29675426
>>29675495
>>29675585
>>29675804
>>29676020
Look mom, I posted it again.

>>29676492
Yokai watch guy don't give up please.

>>29673712
The gen with the best designs.

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>>29676476
"Muh detail, muh realism. Muh superiority."

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why can't pokemon can't be realistic anymore, this is an example of reality look at that fierce expression, the anatomically correct body shape and how it's did i say enough how realistic it is?

>>29676992
Chansey isn't based on any single particular animal so it works. Same with Jigglypuff.

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>>29676992
I totally agree with you. The new designs look fucking retarded. What annoys me the most are the ones with oversized head/eyes.

>>29676315
>Pokemon literally called Ninetails
>New designer didn't even bother drawing its ninetails and just drew a huge blob.

You anti-genwunners can't deny that the new designs are bad and lazy.

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>>29677013
>damage control
there's as much unrealistic animal in gen 1 as the other gens

>>29675426
>Tentacruel
>Jellyfish
What did he mean by this?

>>29673607
>Hates Primarina
>Still goes out of his way to save a Primarina GIF
I don't understand people like this

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>>29677050
Maybe because 9 fuzzy tails would look like shit seperately. Btw the old designs are even less creative than the new ones. Look at Pidgeot, it's just a drawn bird. Literally nothing special about it.

>>29677050
They are kind of divided in the official art, the model is just mediocre.

>>29677101
Ive even saved a bunch of porn of the thing and i hate it so much

>>29676927
Pidgey actually looks better.

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Every time a genwunner says Gen. 1 is the most creative just ignore them and post exeggcute. Literally animated eggs.

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Don't mind me, just a simple and lazy design passing through.

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Why are so many new Pokemon designs so shit? Back in the day Pokemon actually looked good, pic related, with only a small change I changed one of the shittiest new Gen 7 Pokemon into a 10/10 Pokemon, when will Gamefreak learn?

>>29676097
What about insect flight?

>>29677101
that's barneyfag levels of autistic hate

>>29677161
You know what this design needs to be not so boring and plain?
Hair lets add hair!

>>29677174
(You)

>>29677174
not gonna lie, it looks better
but only slightly

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>>29677195
Yea! Also it's mouth should be more detailed. Because detailed=good. Diglett should look like this.

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>>29677050
The tails do separate at the back in the model. It's a lot clearer in the artwork.
Oh, and it's Ninetales.

>>29677067
>Dokukurage literally means 毒水母 (poison jellyfish).

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>>29677053
This is based on a clam's "foot." the body inside doesn't need to be detailed because it's meant to be a shadowy figure hiding inside a shell. Nice try retard.

>>29673524
>Am I the only one
No, you are never the only one

>>29677336
What are the eyes based on?

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>>29673524
but anon, ALL Pokemon are out dear friends, no matter WHAT they look like....!!!

>>29677251
I would be completely okay with this.

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>>29677336
>Seashells don't need to be detailed, but ghosts and teddy bears have to!

Anyone got that picture comparing Volcarona to Butterfree, etc? I want to see OP getting triggered

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>>29673524
>I'm the only one that hates the new artstyle?
You are not the only one.
Im an artist and kind of disguisted by overly simplistic design.
Back then i liked to draw pokemon because it was a nice field to experiment with details and shit.

Nowadays pokemon fanbase is so autistic they like only cute and simplistic design and it triggers my sense of stile. I fucking hate this.

There is basically NO WAY to experiment and find new things while drawing pokemon anymore. Every time i add one or two additonal details (wrinkles on bird feet or facial details) some retarde fun says shit like "YOU MADE IT LESS CUTE :("

>>29675181

>mobile poster

webms work on android. You are an idiot.

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>>29677226
>He unironically likes the gen 1 generic angry anime eyes

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>>29673524
>comparing owls to birds
Bait harder, OP.

>>29673607
He seems sweet. Not a pokemon I'd use, but nothing terrible.

>>29677336
>it's okay because it's a shadowy figure loll

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>>29677449
but anon gen 7 isn't only cutemon but you like the autistic fanbase you complain so much only like cutemons

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Will /vp/ ever get any better?

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>>29675299
Jibanyan already went through his change.
He was going to look like this.

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Why can't we go back to the Gen 1 design philosophy?

>>29677580
>better than generic cute anime eyes
Even if they didn't have a far more diverse selection of eye styles like they do now, those generic cute anime eyes are still better than that awful shit.

>>29677251
Star nosed mole mon when?

>>29677602
>Too many frills
>Not enought anger.
2/10

>>29675561
You can't disprove opinions, retard. Just because no one's willing to argue with your extravagant autism doesn't make you right.

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>>29677673
>>29677602
You doing it wrong.
The style of early gens wasnt ANGRY EDGY MEME shit.
so you failed by making this mermaid angry sonic-like character.

1st gen wasnt about that. In the first gen this mon will be cute and graceful too. Only designed without "super skinny neck/forms".

It used thicker bodies and more detailed design.
Current gen has angry eyes too. But of course you are a retard driven by memes and this why angry eyes is the only thing you understood from this whole design.

>>29677652
I don't know why I tried to reason with an avatarfag. Your autism will never let you admit you're wrong. RIP.

>>29675138
You should add Ninetales and A-Ninetales. A-Ninetales got moefied eyes

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>>29677726
Got it anon

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>>29677726
but why pokemon have to be what the never been to be good.
realism was always pretty flimsy in pokemon

>>29677784
That actually does look better, but the design is till overall shit.

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>>29677858
I know right? When will gamefreak learn

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Rate my shitty Pokemon.

>>29677348
>No, you are never the only one
You're the only one who's ever touched your dick, maybe.

>>29673524
>hates the new artstyle
>uses Fearow drawn in the new artstyle

>>29676927
Did you spend time on that? All the intelligent people already agree with you by this point.

>>29678121
That's old as hell, and agree with what?
That post doesn't reply to anything nor follows OP filename style.

>>29673524
Why did you pose that like a question?

>>29673623
You totally could, because you'd still recognize them both as fucking cartoons.

>>29673552
who tf is arguing that the artstyle hasn't changed?
it's just that some people have the decency to not bitch just cause there is change

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>>29677903
You removed everything that made it interesting. It looks awful.

>>29677415
>Seashells don't need to be detailed
because it's just a shadowy figure hiding.

>>29677358
It's a Pokemon.

>>29677578
Yup. Got a problem with that anti-genwunner?

>>29673524
It always cracks me up whenever I see grown-ass men and women gripe and complain about zany cartoon monster designs that aren't even meant to appeal to them to begin with. Oh oh, I have a great idea for a thread--let's complain about Barney & Friends' lack of a coherent, drama-filled plotline and sex scenes, and keep watching it after all these years despite how much we hate it!

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>>29677903

>>29676927
all of these are neat holy shit

>>29677784
is it bad that I unironically like this more than the original?

>>29677906

10/10 would fug.

you're comparing dragonball to adventure time dude
whats popular changes

>>29677602

Nice b8.

>>29673524
Art styles don't exist. That doesn't even nearly make sense if you know anything about art.

>>29673623
The Amazing World of Gumball does this every episode.

>>29676927
that Pidgey is cute af

These threads are just as mundane as the ones bitching about the new pokemon anime.

Why do you faggots really have to argue about this all the fucking time?

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>genwunners complaining about recent gens when 90% of gamefreaks effort is to pander to you

>>29675457
Ditto is a literal pink blob and is now somehow better than a green blob. Yep. That's how that works.

So does subjective taste just not exist or?

>>29674161
Someone get OP a burn heal