Btw....

>>29662710
Really stimulated my neurons

So... why Mamoswine is not a ghost type too?

It's a ghost type because of the spirit animal thing. It's a stilt owl because of grass type starter patterns.

really makes you think

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>>29662750
How is it grasping at straws? it makes sense

>>29662710
wow...

real made me think

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>based on an extinct animal
>not ghost type
Hmmm...

Undoubtedly forces you to ponder

>>29662741
Because he's a boar not a mammoth

its ghost type because its this gens greninja and grass/flying is garbage
grass/ghost was easiest half decent type combo they could make without changing the design

>>29662822
Sense when were boars extinct anon?

>>29662793
It's grasping because half the fucking pokedex is based on extinct animals.

>>29662822
Mamoswine

>>29662840
>>29662860
>Literally has part of the word "mammoth" in his name

No seriously, how does it feel to grasp at straws?

>>29662880
Yes but this one dies while evolving and becomes a ghost.

>>29662893
Mammoth - adjective
huge

please stop being retarded

>>29662880
>half the pokedex is based on extinct animals
literally what?

>>29662893
>T-that's just the english name stuipd
But the Jap name is Mammoo

Mamoswine confirmed for being based on a cow.

>>29662710
With that logic, every grass starter should be ghost type.

>>29662908
>dies while evolving

Citation needed

>>29662710
Why is this image still being posted? isn't Decidueye based on a Pueo with the legs of this guy? It even has the hood. Can't someone make a new image to post in these threads?

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>>29662822
>based on an antlion
>not bug type

Truly institutes me to question.

>>29662987
>it's a pueo owl!
>but it's also a stilt owl!

Has anyone considered that it's just a generic ass owl with Gamefreak's typical dumb proportions?

>>29662710
truly formed inchoate ideas in my brain

Anon, that isn't even a stilt owl in the image. The animal's so obscure that it doesn't even have an illustration.

>>29662710
really penetrates my brainpussy

>>29663024
No, because it has a hood and long legs, a combination of the two. No generic owl looks like that. Crabrawler isn't a generic crab, Bousweet isn't a generic fruit, Pyukumuku is a combination of two sea creatures, etc

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Does this even need an explanation? It's a video game. It's fantasy.

>>29662910
Mate, that's really, really dumb. It's gone past the point of "I'm pretty sure this is bait" to "I think they genuinely believe this."

>>29662893
He also has "Swine" in his name too
And has a literal pig nose

>>29663024
This!

It's just another case of "GameFreak slaps a weird secondary typing to a Pokémon."

Stilt-Owl my ass.

Link me to a video where a fucking Stilt-Owl shoots an arrow or fucking pulls its vines to close its hoodie. You can't!

>>29662710
>this fucking thread
Kill yourself you newfaggot mobilepussy OP. And shame on all of you for bumping this thread.

>>29662710
It's a ghost because it's sneaky, like an assassin or whatever.

>>29663382
>Pokémon are only allowed one reference

>>29663372
And is found in snowy environments.
And was more prolific in the ICE AGE.
Come on now, man.

>>29663382
I agree. Even if it's based on a stilt owl, its ghost typing is still not justified because: a) all the other Pokémon based on extinct animals are not part-ghost; b) being extinct =/= ghost; and c) this >>29663431


OP, do not bring your delusional normie deductions here.

>>29662710
I'm going to hate Redditors and Tumblrfags who spout this shit through the entirety of this fucking generation. It'll be ghost type because of stealth and shadows (and some spirit shit based off it's sig move). Pokemon typings don't come from 4th wall breaking meta reasoning

>>29662710
Unlikely but
>Rowlet can turn it's head 360
>Decidueye can unscrew it

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>>29662710
Jesus Christ, let it fucking go.

It's a Ghost type because:

>owls in general have an abundance of spooky and spiritual myths about them, particularly so in Hawaii
>snipers are referred to as both ghosts and deadeyes, the Japanese name evokes sniper and the English name evokes deadeye, referring to both its role as a sniper and its creepy glowing red eyes
>it moves around in the darkness all creepy-like


Also in case you're a fag who doesn't think it should be a Ghost type the glowing red eyes are plenty. Owls are fucking creepy.

>>29662710
ALL the grass starters are based on dead animals.

It's the Hawaii/spirit connection that makes the most sense.

you know what else Decidueye is like?

Prince Stolas, the goetic owl demon with long ass legs. A demon/Spirit.

There you go everyone. Another link to ghost type. Also a good nickname for your rowlet honestly.

>>29663817
OH SO NOW ITS ALSO A BARN OWL, ALONG WITH STILT AND PUEO

ANY MORE STRAWS YOU CAN GRASP?

ITT we trigger autism

>>29664005
Next they're going to say it's also a bird.

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ITT /vp/ reaches for a million flimsy justifications that Gamefreak didn't actually bother putting in the design.

>>29664005
it doesn't have to be based on any one owl in particular fag

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>>29664054
ITT: Fags that think all ghost types are literal ghosts.

>>29664065
Yeah, it's just based on all the owls that confirm your headcanon without actually looking like any of them.

>>29664054
GameFreak is being very blatant is associating Decidueye with shadows.

That's all a Pokemon or move need to be associated with in order to be considered ghost type.

>>29664094
All ghost types have some actual ghost-related features, except this one.

>>29663939
>ALL the grass starters are based on dead animals.
Are you retarded?

>>29664153
>What is Sableye?
>What is Golurk?

>>29664153
This one is associated with shadows, which is associated with ghosts in Pokemon.

>>29664170
Sableye is a shadowy little imp that doesn't look like a generic bird wearing leaves.
Golurk is a living statue. Possessed objects evoke ghost type.

>>29664146
>>29664186
Shadows are associated with ghost in that they literally turn into shadows. It's not just nonspecific stealth typical of a generic predator. Sure they shoehorned some shadow control onto it, but its design doesn't convey that in any way. They could have just as easily forced ice or fire control on it and made it a nonsensical ice or fire type.

>>29664153
Decidueye has piercing, glowing red eyes and is heavily associated with shadows.

And if you think the eyes aren't enough to make it a Ghost type this is Sableye's excuse if you go by the Pokedex.

I swear, if Decidueye had a speck of purple in its design none of you faggots would be complaining.

>>29664233
>Imp
>Ghostly
>Golurk
>Statue
and you think we're the ones reaching.

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>>29664233
>but its design doesn't convey that in any way.
Oh no.

We've summoned him.

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>>29664233
>Golurk is a living statue.

Please tell me you're being retarded on purpose.

>>29664233
>Golurk is a living statue.

Golurk is a golem.

>>29664292
>>29664268
>being this pedantic
Living armor, construct, muh golem of prague, it's completely irrelevant. It's an animated inanimate object which evokes ghost.

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>>29662750
>>29662822
>>29664054
WHY IS THE POKEMON FANBASE SO FUCKING RETARDED. WHY IS IT SO IMPOSSIBLE TO BE BASED ON THIS OWL? WHO THE FUCK EVEN CARES, WHY DOES A POKEMON TYPING NEED TO EVEN HAVE SOME DEEP ROOTS IN WHAT IT'S BASED ON, WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE A COOL FUCKING GHOST OWL. YOU'RE ALL FUCKING RETARDED AND NEED TO GROW UP.

>>29664364
>why do Pokemon designs need to have some reasonable connection to their type

>>29664233
>Shadows are associated with ghost in that they literally turn into shadows
Or they just perform attacks while hiding in the shadows.

Just look at what shadow punch does. Just a simple punch done while in the shadows.

Your opinion on how shadow type should work is irrelevant when GameFreak has been consistent with their approach.

>>29662910
>rowletfags actually believe this

Just accept your starter had a poor execution, it wouldn't be the only Pokémon that had that happen to them; don't feel bad :^)

>>29664391
In this case, ghost owl is incredibly consistent with the type.

It's like asking why the fire starter is dark instead of fighting.

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>>29664394
No, faggot, Shadow Punch is ghost energy, like every other elemental punch.

Gamefreak has been consistent until this shitowl happened.

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>>29664391
>why do Pokemon designs need to have some reasonable connection to their type

You mean like the immense spiritual connotations of owls in Hawaii and a owl with a ghost typing in a region modeled after Hawaii?

>>29662937
This is easily the most retarded argument on this thread. If anything, this only confirms being based on a mammoth since the rest of the name refers to nothing you fucking dumbass

>>29664445
Prove it. The description literally says from the shadows.

>>29664461
>I DID PROVE IT WITH THIS IMAGE FROM THE ANIME THAT GAMEFREAK HAS ALMOST NO CREATIVE CONTROL OVER WHICH IS WHY POKEMON SAY THEIR NAMES AND ARE NEVER THE SIZE THEY ARE IN THE POKEDEX THAT GAMEFREAK HAS IN EVERY GAME!

>>29664448
Something that the design doesn't convey at all. It's like if you made a steel tiger on fire and called it an ice type because it's in a Russian region.

>>29664449
You just agreed with him you stupid fucking shitslurper.

Go read his post again, read it thoroughly. You might need a hint, the green text was him mocking anyone who might actually say what he said in mocking green text.

>>29664476
Shadow punch isn't even a variation of elemental punch. It is just a ghost type swift.

>>29664486
That's not the same at all. No where fucking near the same and you know it.

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>>29664476
Every single depiction of Shadow Punch is just a ghost energy punch. The ingame animation doesn't convey stealth at all, and the best representation is Pokken, where it spawns a portal in the air and a big shadowy fist comes out.

Even if it's meant to be stealthy, it consistently has a ghost energy element. So again, ghost is literally becoming shadow, not just being stealthy. This wasn't even an issue until this shitowl.

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>>29664350
>It's an animated inanimate object which evokes ghost.

Holy shit dude, you're right! Look at this Ghost type!

>>29662710
your starter is actually the fossil pokemon lmao holy shit who would have seen this coming?! GAMEFREEAAAK

>>29664548
Who said Geodude can't be ghost? It would be a stretch but it would still be consistent. Probably needs duller eyes, like Golurk and other ghost types.

Owl on the other hand doesn't work at all.

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>>29664486
Why does every Pokemon have to blatantly spell out what type it is at first glance? That's boring as fuck, and some of the coolest Pokemon don't immediately betray their typing at a glance.

Nothing about Scizor's design suggests it's a Steel type. But it looks awesome so no one complains.

>>29664531
>it consistently has a ghost energy element.
Literally just a punch with a ghost effect applied in its animation. The actual description still has the punch coming from the shadows.

You haven't proved shit.

>>29664579
>Nothing about Scizor's design suggests it's a Steel type

You can clearly tell it looks metallic with its claws and part of its head.

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>>29664602
Literally nothing about its claws or head looks metallic but alright.

How about Aggron then? Bet you can't tell what type it is just by looking at it.

>>29664486
>Something that the design doesn't convey at all.

It does if you're not a fucking idiot child who needs everything to be black and spooky to be ghostly.

It conveys it through what it's based on, where it's from and what monikers are usually given to owls and archers. You can't ignore all those things, they are part of what the fucking owl is about. You're ignoring elements of the design because you can't see them.

I mean, I don't need to see that you're physically deformed to know that you're a retard now, do I?

>>29664602
>>You can clearly tell it looks metallic with its claws and part of its head.
Yeah, you can. You know what the pokemon is though. A person who doesn't know what it is would just see a red bug.

>>29664579
I didn't say they need to spell it out, I said they need to convey it at least a little. Scizor looks metallic enough.

>>29664586
It's a punch made from shadows. Like how Shadow Sneak isn't the Pokemon sneaking behind the opponent, it's them sending their shadow to strike them. That's how ghost works. Generic stealth =/= ghost.

>>29664657
>I said they need to convey it at least a little.

And they do, with the glowing red eyes.

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>>29664602
What type is this? How can you tell?

>>29664657
>It's a punch made from shadows
Literally still described as a punch from the shadows. You haven't proved anything.

You can't deny the fact that shadow association equals ghost type. No matter how hard you try.

Decidueye will more than likely be able to use bullshit shadow magic too. Does that flare your autism, Anon?

>>29664672
I've noticed this faggot hasn't ever responded to anyone who mentions the eyes.

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>mfw Decidueye will more than likely be the Greninja of this Gen and all autists will be eternally BTFO by its near-universal praise

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>>29662710
WHY DO ALL OF YOU CARE ABOUT THE JUSTIFICATION OF POKEMON TYPING OR WHATEVER!? WHY!?

IT'S
A
GAME

A GAME WHERE THEY CREATE A WHOLE NEW WORLD TO LIVE IN AND SEE!!!!

KEYCHAINS ARE STEEL TYPE
BIRDS THAT GIVE PRESENTS ARE PART FLYING AND PART ICE
NIGGRESSES ARE PART PSYCHIC AND PART ICE
UNICORN LEGENDARIES ARE PART WATER, PART FIGHTING...F.I.G.H.T.I.N.G!!!!

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY SENSE!!!

YOU'RE
SUPPOSE
TO
HAVE
FUUUUUNNNNNNNNN

>>29664710
I never did bother to remember which wormadam color was in terms of types, but it's not like you really need to remember when fighting them anyway

>>29664730
Likewise. Guess that's not enough. A REAL Ghost has to be a purple bedsheet or a haunted spoon, I suppose.

>>29664746
People who get hung up on this shit can't have fun. They're autistic. They're unable to feel any emotion besides confusion and the emotions that stem from confusion; Hate, Fear, and Rage.

They're confused as to why this owl doesn't fit with rules that they have created.

They hate that something can go against the rules they created.

They're afraid that this is the beginning of more deviations.

They rage, because they're impotent little shits.

>>29664785
So you would say that Pink Wormadam doesn't convey its type very well?

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>>29664801

Then they need to take up a different fandom. MLP is straight-forward and relatively consistent...they should just go fap to horses all day long.

That is...until Applejack becomes a princess of Equestria despite not being transformed in to an Alicorn. Then they'll get up in arms about "ROYALTY CAN ONLY BE ALICORN!!! HOW THE HELL CAN A HILLBILLY APPLE HUMPER BE A PRINCESS!?!?!" and then they'll turn to the final bastion of fandom......Thomas the Tank Engine.....

And then we'll never hear from them ever again.

Pic related: How can a bird be Mexican?

>>29664640
You can ignore all these things because Gamefreak didn't actually put them into the design. They are not elements of the design, they are external cultural references to the animal it's based on, which aren't actually incorporated into its design.

You can rationalize any stupid type onto any Pokemon if you use external references. The design needs to convey it or it lacks consistency.

>>29664719
The from the shadows part doesn't contradict the shadow element part. Again, shadow association is actual shadow manipulation, not just stealth.

Yes, I already said that they forced shadow powers onto it. That doesn't change the fact that its design and description has no connection to it, it's just a generic predator using generic stealth.

>>29664886
>mocking MLP
>while reciting its story

Projecting much?

>>29664528
How is it not? Tigers in a Russian region must clearly be based on Siberian tigers so an ice element is perfectly justified, even if the design doesn't convey it in the slightest.

BTW, pokemon are not based on one single idea. ;^)

>>29665025
I know who I am. That doesn't make my point any less valid.

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>>29665076

saved

>>29664955
>which aren't actually incorporated into its design.

You're right.

If you ignore that it's modeled after a SPECIFICALLY HAWAIIAN BREED OF OWL

So, is it an unpopular opinion around here that his ghost typing is ALSO derived from it being covered in dead, fall leaves?
It's name is partially derived from deciduous... Ya know, like leaves that fall off annually? Fall leaves?

>>29662710
This is the WORST reason for it to be ghost type. At least use one of the good explanations.

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>>29664449
>>29664579

>>29665569
Tortoise get ye gone

>>29662822
ancientpower turns a modern boar into a mammoth pig thing

>>29664710
it looks like a fairy. Seriusly, why they choose this appearance to represent metalic urban trash?

>>29662710
Kill this meme.

It's a ghost type because owls have a mythology around them all over the world. In Japan they're spirit messengers, in other cultures they're death omens. In Hawaii specifically the Pueo owls (that Decidueye's spotted wings and face pattern is based on) are believed to be ancestor spirits.

Archery in Japan is a spiritual practice, it is described as sending your spirit forth with the arrow.

Decidueye is able to become a shadow, which is a Ghost-type trait.

The Stilt-owl part only makes it fit the Grass starter theme, which is evolution/extinction.

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Everyone constantly goes on about the fucking owl not making sense, but no one ever complains about this thing being ghost!

>>29665569
Torterra is the worst Pokémon ever

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This is actually false

Decidueye look a lot more like this species

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>>29662710
>based on extinct animal
>not ghost-type

Genuinely entices you to ruminate.

>>29665986
Then why isn't it Grass/Psychic?

>>29666169
Because Psychic is mindbending, Ghost is spiritbending. There's a slight difference, but the direction that GF is going with Oricorio Sensu vs Oricorio hula you can see it.

Psychic types also aren't spirits themselves.

>>29665997
Because they're part of a gimmick. We understand that.

While OP went on his way trying to justify the Ghost typing of Decidueye with unsubstantiated claims, to no avail.

No one was complaining about Decidueye's typing. If anything, almost everyone likes it.

>>29666190
>Ghost is spiritbending
No, Ghost is ded. That's why they're ghosts.

>>29666123
Ostriches aren't extinct

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>>29666123
Anon, I know its name might contain a nod to Dodos, but Doduo is not a dodo.

This is a dodo.

>>29666123
>>29666272
The resemblance is uncanny.

>>29666272
>>29666295
It's more likely based on kiwi's or nandu. Dodrio is ostrich.

>>29666229
Yeah, majority of solid Ghosts and primary Ghosts are, but Decidueye has Ghost as its secondary typing. Pumpkaboo carries spirits, Gourgeist kills people. Litwick's evo line is based on objects coming to life, and they lure people to spirit world. They're primary Ghost because they're more connected to the Ghost world than Pokemon world.

Alolan Marowak becomes a shamanic dancers who can control spirits, fire spirits being a thing in Hawaii. It's also a nod to the "Marowak dead mother of Cubone" thing. Sableye is Ghost secondary because it's not dead. Froslass isn't actually a dead spirit of a human woman because it's an evolved pokemon, but it's spiritual connection causes people to believe so. Golett is not dead. Frillish ain't dead. Confined Hoopa is Ghost because it's the captured spirit of Hoopa Unbound.

It isn't that hard. Pokemon typing can be slightly off, but there's nothing that would make Decidueye a particular offender.

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Who cares? I know I don't.

>>29666932
Cheeky Nandu

>>29662930
the sandcastle for one

>>29666272
someone needs to genetically engineer this thing back to life

>>29665569
The fuck is this hating on Torterra meme?

>>29664163
>All grass starters happen to look like they were based off of extinct animals
>OMG I DONT LIKE THAT SO UR RETARD >:(
You probably deny the zodiac pattern in fire type starters

>>29662994
Because Dragon/Ground was op as shit in Gen 3

>>29662822
Clearly he was preserved in a block of ice

>>29662741
Because they can type it whatever they want for different reasons? Not every non-fossil prehistoric mon has to have the same type, thats like saying all reptilian mons must be dragon

>>29670719
But the difference is there actually ARE dragon type reptilians while there are NO ghost type pokemon that are ghost type just because they're based on extinct animals.

The extinct excuse is just a fucking terrible post-justification for fanboys who are trying to justify the typing.

ITT: People think pokemon of similar inspirations must have the same type, they can't just type them whatever the fuck they feel sounds relevant or even fitting.

Go fuck yourselves, I don't even think its a damn stilt owl since its obviously a proficient flier, but when someone says "Its ground type because it burrows" are you going to shout "WOW SO ALL RODENT POKEMON SHOULD BE GROUND TYPE???"

You can't be that stupid, they can make them ground or normal as they please, the typing and the basis are not of any strict relationship

>>29670834
I don't really care, I don't think there's any reason to be that dramatic about a pokemon type.
I mean really "fucking terrible"?
Assuming it's even a stilt owl, or a fucking dodo or any other extinct animal, gamefreak can type it anything from ghost to ground and extinction would still be a fine "justification" because the typing and the inspiration, while related, aren't fucking binding and you know that.

So what if this is the first? did you lose your shit when water type wasn't slapped on Stunfisk? Or when Lurantis wasn't a bug type? When Lucario was steel type?

TLDR
An inspiration doesn't come fucking packaged with a typing, its just somewhat indicative of the design idea.

>>29665421
Decidueye's only a part-time ghost.

>>29663427
(You) and for you

>>29662893
His name is mammoth swine

Aka a huge swine

How does it feel being this retarded

>>29664419
Nah, it had a great execution. No Rowletfag ever stopped liking his evo line, but plenty of Litten and Popplio fags did stop liking theirs (I was a Littenfag).
It went from being an adorably cute owl to a cool, properly evolved looking one with an interesting typing. It's not a cat that teased you with the possibility of turning into a tiger only to evolve into a buff wrestler in a fursuit (again) or a playful looking seal that evolves into a mertrap.

>>29665997
>Sensu Style
Sensu is the Japanese folding fan used in Bon Odori.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Festival#Bon_Odori

>folk dance to welcome the spirits of the dead
>Some dances involve the use of different kinds of fans

>>29664886
Oricorio-Baile is spanish tho. Hawlucha is mexican.