Tapu Fini ready for double

>>29614705
won't that work for koko too?

>>29614776
Koko sets electric. It prevents only sleeping

>swampert used magical leaf!

>>29614812
oh. ok, at least misty terrain has something going for it. I don't know why they chose to make it nerf dragon damage instead of boosting fairy damage like electric/psychic terrain

>>29614705
>Scald, Thunderwave, Spore/Dark Void, Jirachi/Togekiss, Toxic stall, and Crocune all btfo
>Blocks the Guts ability
>Swagger shenanigans

>>29614705
Uhhh... Swagger was banned...

>>29614897
Competitive isn't another word for Smogon, anon.

>>29614897
no mention of smogon was made anon

>>29614897
Not in vgc bro, i shit on smogon rules

>>29614858
Porsection of the ally of course.

>>29614933
>misusing spoiler tags

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>>29614897
>smogon

>>29614897
Only on smogon because they were too pussy to deal with it like normal humans.

>>29614705
It bothers me that it gets an automatic fairy-type terrain instead of a (new) water-type equivalent like the other Tapus (electric, grass, psychic).

>>29615055
>we should allow rain and water terrain at the same time
kill yourself.

>>29614858
because no one wants a water/fairy legendary that's immune to fairy with better-than-adaptability-power fairy moves.

>>29615066
calm your sperging. you don't even know how a thing that doesn't exist would work.

just saying that thematically, tapu fini is inconsistent.

>>29615103
>immune to fairy

i meant immune to status.

Or, you know, bring a Pokemon with swords dance

>>29614897
It's not banned forever. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't ban it this time since Confusion was nerfed to a 33% chance to hit yourself.

>>29615055
Rain is already a thing though. It only gets Misty Terrain because mist comes from water particles.

>>29615170
>I wouldn't be surprised if they don't ban it this time

this is smogon. coinflips and rng makes them cry.

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>>29615148
Why not both?

>>29614705
>Doubles gets its own genies except that they don't look like shit
What a time to be alive!

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>>29615148
>>29615199
>x4 boost in a single turn

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>>29615203
Doubles already had their own genies, which were the genies.

>>29614924
>>29614933
>>29614934
>>29614987
>>29615019
>>29615184

>being this mad that you aren't good enough to get a decent rating on a smogon ladder

classic /vp/

>>29615247
REMOVE GENIES

>>29615247
They weren't made specifically for doubles so fuck off.

>>29614705
This strat has been used since Pokemon Battle Revolution, except with safeguard instead of misty terrain

>>29614844
Why is this swampert committing suicide?

>>29615245
It also serves as a backup for situations where one or the other cannot use its boost.
For example, if a Prankster uses Taunt on Tapu Fini and prevents the Swagger from working, you still get a Swords Dance in. Or if any other situation allows your offender to boost itself uninhibited while Tapu Fini cannot assist, and vice versa
It's always nice to have a back-up plan. +4 Atk is rarely necessary. It's more for showboating.

>>29614705
Would that really work?

>>29615173
or maybe it was an afterthought once they realized they had an inconsistent terrain unlike the other 3.

>>29615245
>implying two swords dances would be a 4x boost

>>29615203
the therian forms look cool though

>>29615440
I'm sure they just mean +4
Unless they have an Oranguru in Triples

>>29615249
>classic "muh ladder" smogonfag argument

never change

>>29614705
Anon you know that the opposition can use this exact same tactic too, right?

Both players benefit from Terrain moves.

>>29615249
contrary to smogonfag beliefs, there's more to life than their precious ladder and metagame.

>>29615484
Dude you probably suck ass at pokemon. Shut the fuck up.

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>>29615399
Water/Fairy is a fantastic typing to have anyway. It'll manage.

>>29615565

You must be over 18 to use this site, fuccboi.

>>29614897
FYI, all bans are reset when a new generation starts.

>>29615549
I have a life and play smogon in my free time. What's wrong with that?


You sound mad that you're stuck playing on battlespot like a loser.

>>29615583
You used the term, fuccboi.


You are definitely a kid.

>>29615184
Did you know that one of the most popular Smogon leads during Gen IV was Machamp, because of No Guard Dynamicpunch? You know, that move that always causes confusion?

>>29615589
because you seem to think that disagreeing with smogon is only relateable to being bad at their ladder. as if their ladder is that important it influences people's on opinions what a shitshow smogon actually is.

>you sound mad

i don't think you know what mad sounds like. but nice try regardless.

>>29615625
That post is basically admitting that you suck at competitive pokemon.


Go be mad somewhere else.

>>29614705
>Fini gets Flatter
>paired with Xerneas

>>29615623
that was a decade ago. things have changed.

>>29615645
>you're so mad! XD
>why are you mad!
>stop getting mad bro!

>>29615667
>Gen IV was 10 years ago
p-please no

>>29615184
it's not a coinflip anymore. That's the point.

>>29615680
lol you're so angry. Its ok though, not everyone can be good at competitive pokemon.

I'm gonna just leave you alone now.

>>29615695
but it's still rng. just like the post said.

>>29615456
Yeah but my autism prevents me from looking at them without thinking of their Mr. Clean forms.

>>29615712
>look at me mom i'm calling people angry on the internet!

>>29615170
Why would anyone ever want to use Swagger now?
>here take this swords dance
>hehehe now the majority of the time you'll deal double damage to me!

>>29615782
>Using Swagger on a physically based opponent
That's what Flatter is for.
You boost the stat they don't use, and then expect them to either punch themselves or switch out.

>>29615645
Not him your response really shows just how autistic you are
You're talking as if Smogon is the only thing that matters as far as pokemon battling goes, when even the official vgc doesn't give a shit about them

>>29615565
trips confirmse

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>>29615662
>Triples match
>Choice Scarf Tapu Fini used Flatter!
>Oranguru used Instruct!
>Fini used Flatter!
>3x Sp.Attack Xerneas in one turn
>yfw

>>29615838
>the official vgc

LOL anti-smogon cucks are this pathetic

>>29615838
So? VCG is absolute joke.


Smogon is the most reasonable place to play competitive pokemon becauae as a whole, its a clusterfuck and gamefreak has no idea on how to properly balance it.

Smogon isn't perfect but it does a decent job on making competitive pokemon somewhat fair if you know what you're doing.

You just suck if you can't adjust to smogon.

>>29616007
you seem mad. maybe get some air and calm down.

>you just suck if you can't adjust to smogon

bit rich coming from the people who can't adjust to the game and have to implement bans and clauses to remove things they don't like. don't talk about adjusting if you play smogon because it's just not in your nature.

>>29616152
you sound mad that your precious vgc sucks ass

>>29616176
i don't even play vgc, but nice playground comeback. good job ignoring the second half of the post to continue with your
>YOU'RE SO MAD
"argument" because your brain is incapable of forming any sort of point

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>>29615998
>Triples match
;_;7

does Smogon really ban moves? That seems kind of retarded. Maybe they should adjust their tiers with those moves in mind instead of trying to pretend they don't exist.

>>29616152
>bans and clauses to remove things they don't like
Such as

>>29616251
>swagger
>baton pass
>no double team or minimize
>no ohko moves
>all the pokemon they ban because they don't want to "adjust" to them
>thunder wave and scald are constantly brought up by people wanting to remove them

>>29616152
Yikes you're the mad one. Nice projection.


It's not my fault gamefreak is incapable of balancing the metagame. VCG and battlespot is an embarrassment and a joke. It's boring seeing Mega Rayquaza crush everything.

>>29616200
you sound mad. jealous you can't win in smogon?

>>29616281
yep you just confirmed you know nothign about competitive.

you shouldn't get mad about things you don't know about

>>29616152
Not him, but the bans and clauses are to prevent certain mons from overly centralizing the meta.
Though there are a few bans and tier placements I disagree with

>>29615998
>Triples match
>Gen 7
Anon...I.

>>29616281
All of those are reasonable. Maybe you'd know that if you were a better player. Sorry.

>>29616281
>swagger
SwagPlay
>baton pass
Kinda dumb indeed, but blame Speed Boost for that
>no double team or minimize
lel
>no ohko moves
RNG shit
>all the pokemon they ban because they don't want to "adjust" to them
Yeah it sure is great to adjust to things that guarantee at least one KO such as Mega Mom or Mega Mawile
>thunder wave and scald are constantly brought up by people wanting to remove them
And yet they haven't been banned. Why are you using this as an argument?

>>29616295
>>29616303
why is it that all you smogon people seem to be able to say is
>wow so mad
>wow so bad

you spend hours on their forums arguing what should and shouldn't be banned or what is muh overcentralising or what is uncompetitive, 50/50s etc. surely you guys can do better than this?

>>29616312
yes exactly. so smogon players shouldn't start preaching about "adjusting" when they're incapable of doing it and just ban shit. i don't care if it's considered cheap or not, they don't adjust at all.

>>29616331
you seem to be missing the point friendo. all you're proving is smogon cries over "muh RNG" shit and that it's plain hilarious that someone defending smogon is telling other THEY can't adjust. when it's smogon players that refuse to adjust and just cry for bans constantly.

>>29616353
>says this
>the anon they were replying to said this before them
What did he mean by this?

>>29616391
all you prove is how little you understand competitive

>>29616353
stop being mad, and we can stop using that arguement

>>29616396
i said it because if you read earlier in the thread it's one smogon guy just saying it in response to everything. so i said once back in response to them.

>>29616391
You completely missed my point. When 90% of teams are forced to have a counter to the same Pokemon, that's bad. It makes things stale. So things go into suspect testing, where only players that gather enough points are qualified to vote. It's not a perfect system, but at least they attempt to balance things.

>>29616281
All reasonable bans to make the game more based on skill than luck. Also if you were actively involved you'd understand that every time a ban happens players need to adjust to the new metagame. Bans don't happen because the community can't adapt, they happen because the community has adapted to the extent that the game has become decidedly more one dimensional because of how much it's based around a single Pokemon. At that point a ban forces players to take a new approach, it actually encourages creativity, whereas VGC centralises around a few Pokemon each season and most teams are identical.

>inb4 much pachirisu

>>29616391
The reasoning behind bans is that even though you can't remove all RNG from the game, you can remove at least part of it. Evasion can make anything immortal for as long as the RNG wishes (and no, Aero-Ass is not a good "counter" for that), and OHKO moves mean that 30% of the time, stats, predictions and anything are completely useless.

>>29616391
You don't know shit about pokemon.


It's funny, really.

>>29616449
Fucking this. I bet he doesn't reply

>>29616435
and you seem to be missing my point. that this anon >>29616007 saying people can't adjust to smogon is hilarious. it doesn't matter the reasoning why they ban or remove things, the fact smogon do it is the exact opposite of adjusting themselves.

>>29616449
Literally this

>>29616493
I don't think you know what Smogon is.

>>29616493
>still missing my point
They do adjust. When a meta becomes completely stale they ban the thing that's over centralizing it. Players are then forced to adjust, encouraging creativity.
VGC, however, gets very stale, very quickly. I'm hoping this changes for VGC 17, because VGC 16 wasn't very exciting, at least imo.

>>29616493
I think you're mad

>>29616449
>Also if you were actively involved you'd understand that every time a ban happens players need to adjust to the new metagame.

and? you seem to think this is some sort of coutnerargument. am i suppose to applaud them because they banned something and the metagame changed? the point is they banned the thing in the first place, not what they do afterwards. try and move the goalposts even more why don't you.

> Bans don't happen because the community can't adapt, they happen because the community has adapted to the extent that the game has become decidedly more one dimensional because of how much it's based around a single Pokemon

yeah sorry but that's bullshit. some of the pokemon that have been banned haven't even dominated their usage stats. landorus-i wasn't even close to making the game more one dimdensional.

>At that point a ban forces players to take a new approach, it actually encourages creativity, whereas VGC centralises around a few Pokemon each season and most teams are identical.

no it doesn't. the metagame just settles back around the same few pokemon. also the most teams are identical in vgc thing is just a meme from the years where the top players had the same teams. doesn't mean MOST teams are identical. both metagames are honestly as stale as each other.

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>>29616236
If I recall, it was to stop the nonsense known as "Swagplay" Klefki and other Prankster mons. Pranster+Swagger+Foul Play is stupid but when it's paired with shit like T-wave and Substitute only then it makes a coinflip status like confusion into a complete advantage for the user.

This is ALOT easier to handle in doubles as you still have another poke to use but in singles, it's legitimately unfair. Confusion as a whole is annoying, but not bannable.

>>29616555
no you seem really hard to be missing my point. the fact that they ban shit to start with is how they don't adjust. i couldn't give two fucks whether you think they adjust after banning.

>>29616599
hey you should calm down before posting. drink some warm milk. you can't think clearly when you're mad

>>29616599
>landorus-i
>Landorus-I has been banned from OU by a 75.5% supermajority. With the ability to dismantle bulkier teams with Calm Mind, sweep through offensive teams with Rock Polish, or just run four incredibly powerful attacks with many backed up by Sheer Force, Landorus-I was a powerhouse in the OU metagame. What's worse is that Landorus-I had coverage to beat almost all of its potential checks and counters depending on the team it was used on, making it an even more unpredictable threat and that much more difficult to beat.
You're right, fuck omgon they should unban swagge they don't know shit

>>29616633
They ban things because the entire meta has been forced to adjust for that one Pokemon, Anon.

>>29616633
>intentionally missing the point out of anger

>>29616449
>smogon is actually creative
>when is vgc ever creative
>don't name pachirisu because the kills my point!

>>29616599
>zero facts
Stop posting, Donald

GF

>>29616633
Verlis?

>>29616670
Pachirisu was chosen because it filled a niche in that guy's team, you know. I bet he never gave a single fuck about it before.

>>29616670
Not him, but Pachirisu was a long time ago and, to my knowledge, before the meta centralized on Megas and Primals. That was a lot more enjoyable, imo. It felt a lot more flexible in terms of team composition.

>>29616653
yeah because a paragraph from someone who supported the ban isn't going to be bias at all. please explain to me how landorus-i domianted the metagame, made it stale and made it one dimensional. anymore than pokemon like mega sableye, landorus-i etc make it stale. instead of copy-pasting that, you tell me right now.

>>29614705
>Prankster Meowstic
>Basically the same thing but with Safeguard instead of Misty Terrain

>>29616777
shitter no one cares about VGC

>>29616674
the post i was replying too had zero facts too. it just worded nicely to make an argument why smogon is good with no actual facts. but i don't see you caring about that.

>>29616741
Mega Sableye is being suspect tested right now, actually.

>>29616741
And this is the definition of being mad, folks.

>>29615184
Swagger was only banned because of SwagPlay being frustrating as fuck. Now that confusion's been nerfed, it's not as much of a coinflip. Different formats also have different rules.

>>29616741
Literally every reason for Lando-I is in that paragraph. M-Sableye is being tested (fucking finally). Magic Bounce reflects hazards, so you can't set up hazards. Prankster works the turn you Mega Evolve, so you can burn before they hit you. You can set up without Whirlwind or Roar working on you. It's a fantastic mon that does its job phenomenally. Far too well, to the point of overly centralizing the meta.
It does, however, have its counters. Namely M-Lop and Clefable. Which also means that if you don't have either of these, you're a bit fucked. And that's hoping M-Lop doesn't get crippled by a burn. Azumarill can also work, as Belly Drum allows it to OHKO even if burned. Just gotta hope they don't have teammates like, say, Ferrothorn or Skarmory. In the end, it's for the best if it gets banned, though I'm not fully convinced it will.

>>29616887
why are you explaining mega sableye to me? i said say explain how landorus-i making the metagame game more stale and one dimensional than mega sableye. since that's what the anon was saying pokemon are banned for. landorus-i wasn't even high in the top 10 usage stats, how is something not being used making the metagame stale and one dimensional exactly? when vgc is "stale" it's because oh no the teams are the same, so i expect landorus-i making it stale and one dimensional was because it was on every team then, right?

VGC and Smogon are both shit, but for different reasons. Tapu Fini is cute and I'll use it at least once in Battle Spot.

>>29616982
Oh I'm sorry, I must've misread your post. Alright, here we go.
Landorus fucking Incarnate. More like Incarnation of pure fucking Terror. With his devastating LO Sheer Force, he is a Nidoking on fucking steroids. An insane move pool allows him to run a variety of sets that can compliment virtually any team perfectly. Feeling a bit slow? Polish those fucking rocks and speed through the enemy team. Need to break some walls? 4 attacks boosted by Sheer Force combined with great offensive stats will help you out! Worried about physical walls that might somehow stop you? CALM. FUCKING. MIND. NOW GO AND DESTROY SOME BITCHES!

>>29617058
exactly. it's funny how just because i criticize smogon all the smogonbabbies run to assume i'm a vgc player when it's not the case. both are shit.

>>29617079
well you at least are being lighthearted about it. so thanks anon :)

>>29617114
I try. Each system has its flaws, and of the two, I just prefer Smogon. Mainly because I prefer singles. I don't think either of them should be seen as inferior. They appeal to different audiences and different strategies.

>>29615488
Both players can also benefit from the other using weather too.

>>29614705
Would Swagger not just fail in Mist, or would the move actually go through without the confusion?

>>29617731

I guess it would be the same as using swagger on a mon with own tempo?

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>Tapu Bulu + Heatran core

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>>29616412
>arguement