>Evolves at level 40 NOT A SHITMON! I REPEAT, NOT A SHITMON!

>>29501257
Assuming wimpod is going to evolve late 2 this gen could be bringing us a lot of top tier bugs(we dont know if it keeps type)

>>29501257
>archos bird is grass/ghost
>vikavolt will actually be useful
>ninetales is finally getting some spotlight

Damn, gen 6 is so good to me. Feels good to have chosen these bros almost instantly when they were revealed and having them not be garbage. Bring it on SM

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>>29501257
The synergy this thing with have with Heracross/MegaHera is fucking insane. Allegedly, Vikavolt will have 110-120 SAtk from the videos.

Its a good day to be a bugfag.

>>29501257
540 BST MINIMUM
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>>29502391
>Allegedly, Vikavolt will have 110-120 SAtk
Source?

>>29502421
Lairon evolves to Aggron at 42.
Aggron's is 530 BST.

Vibraba evolves to Flygon at 45.
Flygon's is 520.

Shame its gonna fall into tfe exact same niche as Galvantula of being sort of fast special attacker instead of being a unique physical Bug/Electric.

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>>29502445
Calcs from the videos.It's going to be somewhere in that range.

>>29502458
Game Freak is a lot better at balancing stats with evolution level now

>>29502458
It's still really high for a early Bug mon. Even compared to Scolipede.

>>29501257
>LEVITATE
SHITMON!
I REPEAT, SHITMON!

>>29502497
Was this calced in smogon?

Why the hell would you think that by leveling at 40 makes it any good or stronger?

>>29501257
who confirmed it's evo level?

>>29502519
>Ground immunity makes you a shitmon
Check this wise monk.

>>29502445
Calcs from the vids also put Charjabug at anywhere from 85-104 HP, which is insane for a second stage bug.

>>29502519
>implying it won't get No Guard as an HA as a reference to playing Gradius recklessly

>>29502560
They definetly made this line with competitive in mind. Charjabug with Eviolite will be amazing in Doubles and Vikavolt will be a fast sweeper.

>>29502178
>gen 6
uhm...

>>29502546
Because reaching final stage under lv25 is literally how early route shitmon work.

>>29502553
Trailer around 1:20
https://youtu.be/0VC_GAHetj0

>>29502560
1:21 Charjabug has 123 HP at level 37. This would give base HP of 104 at 0/0. If it was at 31IVs (base 88) so it's likely to have some EVs as well. At 31/252 we would get base 56 which is still fairly high for a Bug type middle stage.

Here's a list of all the other top tier mons that evolve at level 40!

>Rapidash
>Omastar
>Kabutops
>Exploud
>Wailord
>Cradily
>Armaldo
>Drapion
>Abomasnow
>Krookodile
>Jellicent
>Ferrothorn
>Sliggoo

lmao literally ferrothorn + a bunch of shitmons

>>29502637
Havent we had Pokèmon thatbhas more hp on a 2nd stage and less on a 3rd?

>>29501301

>Wimpod evolves at level 53
>WishiWashi doesn't get Schooling Form until 49
>Anchormon isn't found until the very last portion of the game

Get ready for Gen 5.2:Electric Boogaloo!

>>29502559
It's getting an immunity to spikes, sticky web, arena trap, terrain moves and a type it took neutral hits from instead of an ability. Unless its base stats are amazing, it's going to suck.

>>29502635
why are these trailers so emotional
also why do the actors in a japanese trailer write in English

>>29502670
Jellicent was OU before Knock Off became the meta fyi

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>Post yfw 600 BST

I highly doubt it evolves at lv.40. They probably kept it at Lv.39 for whatever reason. A previous trailer shown Vikavolt being at Lv.25

>>29502670
drapion, jellicent and krookodile are not shitmons

>>29502725
Learns a prevo-only move maybe.

>>29502670
Most of the Pokemon you listed are found mid-late game already in their level 30s. The thing that sets Vikavolt apart is that it's found early game.

>>29502672

Nope. The only pokemon that looses HP is Shedninja. Some pokemon stay the same, of course, but all 3 stage bugs gain hp, normally 10 or 20.

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>>29502670
>Kabutops
>Citizen Snips
>Jellicent
>Krookodile
>>shitmons

>>29502725
They also had a Lv.50 Zubat in one trailer. They can generate any mons they want at any level for these trailers since it's just showcase.

>>29502670
Abomasnow's got a niche at least.
The same cannot be said for Vikavolt, who shares his typing with another special attacker who has better abilities and is almost guaranteed to have a better movepool. Vikavolt's only hope is to have a BST above 472 with a better distribution so he can at least compete with Galvantula through raw numbers.

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>yfw 9 BST

>>29502670

>Rapidash
trash
>Omastar
decent
>Kabutops
Relentless killing machine when in rain
>Exploud
not completely garbage after boomburst
>Wailord
trash
>Cradily
decent
>Armaldo
trash
>Drapion
decent
>Abomasnow
trash without the mega
>Krookodile
good
>Jellicent
decent
>Ferrothorn
beastly
>Sliggoo
NFE

Could be worse

>>29502779
>Thunder and Sticky Web constitutes a better movepool now

>>29502747
Which one? Bug Buzz, Discharge, Protect, or Agility? If Protect, why not just use the TM?

>>29502764
Dont forget Cradily

>>29502808
All of those except Protect really can be learned by Vikavolt alone so the really is no reason to hold on the evolution.

>>29502804
>Armaldo
>trash
Not in monotype. It's a god send to bug. It's decently bulky and gets aqua jet, a assault vest set is great because of rapid spin, its only downfall is the rock weakness and lack of recovery. I wouldn't say trash just so much as sub-optimal for its role. However on mono bug it plays and very important role.

>>29502677
We've already seen schooling at lv27 though.

>>29502670
Just for comparison, here's more top tier mons that evolve later.

>Beheeyem at 42
>Klinklang at 49
>Vanilluxe at 47

>>29502851
Exactly.

>>29502779
The only things that can realistically save it are high BST with a great distribution AND a wide attacking movepool (which it definitely won't have, because of the way GF generate movepools based on typing. Bug- and Electric- always offer almost nothing of value movepool-wise, it is only secondary typings that save either)

It's actually worse than it seems for Vika, because it won't be able to run Thunder without Compoundeyes. In order for Vika's Thunderbolt to outdamage Galv's Thunder, it would need AT LEAST BASE 130 special attack

and it needs more than 108 base speed as well. and yeah, it almost definitely doesn't have le Sticky Web niche.

Essentially it needs Gengar levels of perfect stat distribution to ever be viable. Sorry guys, looks like it's over :^)

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>>29501257
having to train shit-cocoon-alkaline to lvl40

>>29502670
The term shitmon has lost all meaning. Everything on that list is at least passable

>>29502900

They only evolved so late because Unova scaled levels to when the Pokemon was encountered.

Grubbin is encountered near the very beginning of SM.

>>29502806
it has giga drain and energy ball for these nasty ground/water types

>>29502923
The result is a NON-USELESS Electric Fast Bug, Fair huh?

>>29502900
Those are all encountered later in the game. In gen 5 they made sure that any mon needed ~15-20 levels before evolving after encountering it

Meanwhile, Grubbin is found on route 1 and is a three-stage line

>>29502953
Even Rapidash?

>>29502635
>He won with Hokulele
Oh my god my heart can't take this

>>29502635
>A new chapter in the Shohei saga

Yes!

>>29502458
Not to mention:
Ferrothorn - 489
Golurk - 483
And just in case people go "THOSE ARE TWO STAGES!", Reuniclus and gothitelle are both at 490 too.

Levels don't really matter much, which isn't surprising since we're talking about GF.

>>29502806
Yeah pretty much. A fast, frail Bug/Electric physical attacker gets shitall options for useful moves.
Galvantula gets
>Thunder Wave, Volt Switch, Discharge, Thunderbolt, Thunder, and even Electroweb and Electroball if you feel like being a memer
That's every single noteworthy electric type move in the entire game. The rest are garbage that have niche uses in lower tiers or are just straight up unusable.
Meanwhile for bug, Galvantula gets
>Spider Web, Sticky Web, Signal Beam and Bug Buzz
Discounting U-Turn and Vespiquen's signature moves, that's every worthwhile bug move except for Tail Glow and Quiver Dance.
And of course there's the non-STAB moves like
>Giga Drain, Energy Ball, Disable and I guess Pursuit and Poison Jab for mixed attacker Galvantula

So unless Vikavolt gets Tail Glow, he's stuck with an inferior movepool to Galvantula.

>>29503246
We see Vikavolt use Megahorn in one of the trailers

and besides that, it's fucking Vic Viper and a beetle. There's no way it won't be good.

>>29502953
>Omastar
>Armaldo
>Rapidash
>Wailord

Are you a karenfag?

>>29502870
You can always make up rules to make certain pokemon worthwhile. No matter which pokemon, as long as it isn't completely gimped, you can find some odd set of rules to make it good.

>>29503246
Considering the light on the sides of Vikavolt's abdomen, it's possible. And inb4 someone says "B-BUT IT'S NOT A TAIL !", Manaphy doesn't have a tail either and the move is called "Firefly glow" or something similar, I really can't remember.

>>29503318
>Special attacker
>Megahorn

lol

>>29503318
>Megahorn
Wow how exciting! That'll go excellent with its 110 base SAtk.
I guess if Game Freak decides not to give it Bug Buzz (btw $50 says they won't) then it'll at least have Megahorn for bug STAB. With STAB and 120 base power it'll at least be decent coming from that uninvested, base 60 physical attack

>>29503447
It's confirmed to get Bug Buzz.

>>29502972
yeah it is fair
but i still don't want to train this lil shit to lvl 40

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Who the hell said Vikavolt will be a level 40 evo?

>>29503447
>A Special Bug type
>not having Bug Buzz
what the fuck are you smoking?

>>29503349
Rapidash might not be very good but it at least has 500 bst.

That's more than you can say for your typical begining bug line. They usually don't even break 400.

I think that's the point of the OP. Vikabolt evolving at 40 is evidence of it having high base stats.

>>29503502
Read the thread you mongoloid.

>>29503465
Oh, well at least Game Freak isn't THAT cruel.
Still waiting on Air Slash or even Air Cutter on Butterfree though

>>29503561
It gets Air Cutter though

>>29502703
They write/speak in English because in previous trailers we saw that Shohei (Japanese boy) moved to Hawaii and used Pokémon to make friends with Hoku (Hawaiian boy) and all the others. So it makes sense that he's learning English and all the other kids already speak/write in it

60/84/50/108/50/117
Abilities: Levitate, No Guard
Moves: Zap Cannon, Bug Buzz, Thunder, Volt Switch, U-Turn, Megahorn, Focus Blast, Air Slash, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Acrobatics, Thunderbolt, Discharge, Roost, Parabolic Charge, Agility, Tailwind, Charge Beam, Wild Charge, Swords Dance, Thunder Wave, Aerial Ace, Bug Bite, Fury Cutter, Air Cutter, Pluck, Signal Beam, Work Up, Fly, Hidden Power, Substitute, Toxic

would you use it? focus blast is wishful thinking but it helps

>>29503621
>>29503621
but its ability is levitate

>>29503504
The same thing Game Freak was when they didn't give Flareon Flare Blitz or Barbaracle Waterfall

>>29503586
From move tutor in Gen 4.

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>>29503621
>no guard zap cannon

>>29502629
Yeah yeah I mistyped. Gen 6 wasnt that good to me.

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>>29503447
the trailer already confirmed it gets bug buzz, along with discharge, protect and a poison-type move that was cropped out.

>>29503675
Their priorities are weird. Like how they actually gave Vivillon stuff to abuse like Compoundeyes Hurricane even if it still sucks. Pangoro had pretty much no moves until ORAS tutors though.

>>29503621
Kinda to low stats for something that evolves like that, put 20 more in SpAtk, 10 more in Speed, 16 in HP (Charjabug could have high HP). In rest, YES and also possibly Tail Glow.

>>29503621
Not a chance.
It's basically just Manectric that trades fire coverage, switcheroo and a mega for levitate and bug STAB(Manectric already gets signal beam by move tutor too)
I'll pass.

>>29503735
I think that's pink for Psychic, like Agility.

>>29503855
>using switcheroo on a pokemon that is either your mega or a shitmon outclassed by Jolteon, Thundurus and Raikou

>>29502519
Yeah man, Levitate makes you so bad, i wish Gengar was better.

>>29503889
Fair point. It still has the option if you want to be suboptimal though, which is not true for our poor shitty shockbeetle.

>>29503621

>No Guard Zap Cannon

I can only dream

>>29503961
>shitty
>>expecting it to have less than 500 BST

>>29503936
>Implying Levitate is why Gengar is good, and not the fact that his movepool is the fucking Mariana Trench, his stat distribution is minmaxed to hell and his typing is FANTASTIC
Gengar would be good even without an ability. Levitate is just icing on the cake because it nullifies his ground weakness.
Vikavolt is not weak to ground. He would take neutral hits from it without Levitate. So not only does Gengar benefit more from Levitate than Vikavolt does, but Gengar has a better typing and movepool and probably better stats too.

>>29504083
It could have 600 BST and still be garbage because unless it gets tail glow and higher speed and special attack than Galvantula, it'll just be a ghetto knock-off of a UU shitmon.

Fuck I don't even think tail glow and 600 BST will save Vikavolt from being garbage. The only reason Galvantula is UU is because he gets sticky web. Without that, he'd be languishing in NU as the worst electric type in the universe, outclassed by the likes of the terrifying Pachirisu and Dedenne.

>>29502178
>ninetales is finally getting some spotlight
>missed the whole Drought thing

>>29502770
a zubat at level 50 is a bit different to a vikavolt at level 25 when people say it evolves at 40. so your example doesn't really work.

>>29504380
Man, Ninetales and Politoad had a lot of usage and love in gen 5.
And then weather was nerfed.

>>29504610
They can generate whatever mons they want, anon

Remember that Lance's Dragonite is illegal

>>29504678
As is Ghetsis' Hydreigon.

>>29503855
you seem to think mega manectric is a really good mega that getting a free mega slot isn't a good trade?

>>29502519
>levitate
>on an electric type
That's a blessing, you retard.

>>29502677
Schooling is from his ability dumbass.

He gets it at level 1.

>>29504773
>On an electric type that is paired with bug, which resist ground

>>29504746
Even base Manectric outclasses that take on Vikavolt. No megas required.

>>29504789

> Wishiwashi can change forms with its Schooling Ability if it has reached a certain level.

>if it has reached a certain level

>certain level

>>29504796
>On an electric type that is paired with bug, which resist ground, but probably has shitmon tier defense
dude, Levitate is ALWAYS a great ability. competitive wise, immunity to earthquake (and spikes) comes in very handy when team building. stay at 1300 forever.

anyways, theorymonning without knowing its stats is difficult. he won't be able to abuse volt switch/u-turn because of the 25% sneaky pebbles damage, and that is the only fair thing to assume as of now.

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>>29502635
>omastar
>drapion
>kabutops
>krookodile
>jellicent
>armaldo
>abomasnow
>cradily
>>shit

>>29504956
fuck i meant >>29502670

>>29504938
We know for a fact that his movepool will be shallower than Galvantula's, and it's Galvantula's movepool that makes it even worth considering.
Vikavolt will not have Sticky Web to justify its existence, and so unless it has fantastic base stats it's just going to be yet another worthless fast, frail, outclassed special attacking electric type.

>>29504982
We don't know anything. All we've seen is it using strong STAB moves.

>>29505005
One of the trailers with the Trainer Tree showed a Vikavolt using what looks like Air Slash.

>>29505005
We know it doesn't have any signature moves, and we know that Galvantula has access to every single bug and electric type move worth having with the exceptions of Tail Glow, Quiver Dance and U-Turn(which it doesn't need because Volt Switch).

We also know that Vikavolt is almost certainly not going to get Sticky Web, which is the only thing that justifies Galvantula's existence. It also has a worse ability than Galvantula and all the electric types that outclass Galvantula, so unless it has some fucking amazing base stats that give it the raw power to compete, it's going to be NU at best.

>>29504956
>omastar
shitmon. even in the rain, kabutops is superior as a rock stab user, nearly all other swift swimmers as special sweepers
>drapion
shitmon
>kabutops
usable in the rain, mediocre at best
>krookodile
shitmon. can't use intimidate effectively because lol dark type and lookit those defenses. moxie scarf can be useful in uu, but is vastly outclassed in ou.
>jellicent
yo, gen 5 called, they want their spinblocking, rain abusing, scald spamming son of a bitch back. shitmon in gen 6 because of that gift of the gods that is KNOCK OFF (and weather nerf obv)
>armaldo
lol
>abomasnow
can set up hail. that's it.
>cradily
only use it has is as a baton pass receiver. it's not even that bad at it. didn't something happen to baton pass though? can't quite remember

and don't go for the "smogonfag" angle, because tiering is actually a bliss to these critters, meaning they can be played against other shitmons if you wish to play in lower tiers. in VGC (the official format) all these fuckers are beyond useless.

>>29505112
If Vikavolt is a mixed attacker with access to both u-turn and volt switch along with spike immunity, it'll be an incredibly annoying pokemon.
You choice it and memementum like a motherfucker.
That's a good niche right there.

>>29502391

Is this even that big of a deal nowadays? I feel like unless you have at least 130 sp attack, you better be bulky

>they could have gone zap cannon/compound eyes, but it will be an inferior galvantula because all it has is levitate

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>>29505112
>I'm 12 and Pokemon are literally only able to have STAB moves
>also, 30+ BST doesn't matter at all

>>29505184
If you dont have bulk or godtier offensive stats and your only good point is your speed then yes, just use stab moves because you're not going to kill anything with any other move and you will not survive a hit to go for a 2HKO

>>29505137
Krookodile can use intimidate choice band in UU if playing smogon format.

Abomanow is actually great in UU and even better in VGC (not this year because primals, but otherwise). Trick room is really easy to set up in VGC and Ice Coverage with decent bulk and strong mixed attacking stats make it worth running. Trick room hail is a legitimate strategy.

Is there a chance vikavolt could be a mixed attacker?

>>29505112
Watch it get Tail Glow.

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Levitate mon with defog and stab Volt/Turn has potential

>>29505282
if it does, and it is fast (like, really fast) it's gonna be good. a better thundurus-t
thing is, outside of tbolt and hp ice/grass, it needs another coverage move to be worth running

>>29505184
>I'm 12 and Pokemon are literally only able to have STAB moves
Yeah actually, when they're bug/electric they are.
Not every pokemon is psychic, ghost or fighting and gets access to every coverage move it could ever imagine.
Bug types get bug moves exclusively. If they're lucky, they get some grass moves and that's about it.
Electric types get it even worse. A handful of them get some fire moves, but other than that they are electric moves only.

Vikavolt's not going to be getting shit like Flamethrower or Ice Beam. He'll get to choose between Bug Buzz, Thunderbolt, Return and Toxic for coverage.

>>29505320
name a volturn abuser weak to sr (thundurus-t has regenerator, it doesn't really count)
hell, even thundurus doesn't run volt switch in ORAS

>>29505323
>what are stab bug type moves?

>>29505354
Beedrill?

>>29505346
I'd be appalled if it didn't get flash cannon for fairies. It makes perfect thematic sense.

>>29505282
Tail Glow might keep it in UU at least. There's no way Vikavolt is going to see OU unless he's got shit like 145 speed and SAtk.

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>>29502505
>Skrelp evolves into Dragalge at level 48
>less than 500 BST

>>29505361
the thing is bug buzz doesn't complement tbolt as well it does a fire stab (I'm thinking of Volcarona)
I said that IF it gets tail glow it will be viable tho. I agree with you

>>29505346
>Vikavolt's not going to be getting shit like Flamethrower or Ice Beam. He'll get to choose between Bug Buzz, Thunderbolt, Return and Toxic for coverage.

Unfortunately. I'd say energy ball is a given as that's common among some other bug special attackers.

Maybe focus blast as accelgor gets it as well, and it seems like a cannon themed pokemon could shoot a blast move like that.

Even though power creep has been cruel to my yanmega, I don't see vikavolt replacing it any time soon

>>29505346
Dude, it's a bug based on the ship from Gradius. there's no way it won't have a massive movepool. Like, at LEAST Flash Cannon and Aura Sphere.

>>29505378
the mighty mega beedrill, terror of OU
be serious nigga
>>29505379
only mon it would hit that wouldn't be hit hard enough by an electric stab is Altaria

>>29505361
Garbage that's what.
Everyone and their mom gets U-Turn, and anything weak to bug is OHKOd or 2HKOd by non-STAB U-Turn anyway.
There's no reason for STAB bug attacks. A bug typing is a handicap that you work around.

>>29505474
unless you're Bug/Steel

>>29501257
4 levels less than galvantula.

>>29505428
>Aura Sphere
I want to dream too but thats just delusion, will get focus blast with luck

>>29505428
>Aura Sphere
Game Freak HATES that move and will never EVER let anyone that can use it have it. I bet they'd take it away from Lucario and Togekiss if they could.

>>29505531
They gave it to the Mega Launcher mons though

>>29505531
Which I honestly never understood. Why such a low distribution ? By description alone it could be distributed to tons of mons since you use your own aura to create a ball of energy. I swear it's stinginess like this that led to the "Grass mons have to coverage" thing.

>>29505605
led to the what?

>>29505560
And mewtwo

>>29505605
Because it's a special fighting move and doesn't suck, and Game Freak apparently wants Lucario to be the only pokemon in the game that is a special attacking fighting type.

>>29505474

As a monotypebug fag, I unfortunately agree. I really don't have that many bug attacks on my team. Special attackers usually get bug buzz because they don't have gigantic movepools, but otherwise x scissor is just disappointing at 80 base power, the rare megahorn mon has to pray to RNG, and besides scizor, u turn is surprisingly rare on bug types (mostly special attackers get it, while physical attackers like heracross/pinsir/escavalier/scolipede/many more won't get it)

>>29505605
Because it's Lucario's move. They don't want to give away their fursona's move away all willy nilly

Seriously. It will be a shitmon. RU at best, more likely NU. Are you all forgetting that Galvantula has Compoundeyes? Vikavolt literally needs 130 base special atk, 110 speed and a better movepool to even be considered over Galvantula, an already mediocre and niche mon.

>252 SpA Galvantula Thunder vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 147-174 (43.1 - 51%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252 SpA Magnezone Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 148-175 (43.4 - 51.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

>>29505625
It's this thing always going on that Grass mons suffer from lack of moves, even do it's mostly pure types. And even then, Sceptile and Tangrowth do have moves to choose from. GF just simply refuses to give wider movepools to mons that DESPERATELY need it and it doesn't help you still have shit like most Gen 1 mons with there simply ridiculous movepools. Why can't more diversity exist ? Oh wait, it means effort and we can't afford that.

>>29505712

Yeah, even if vikavolt has higher special attack (which I'm guessing it will) the power difference between galvantula's thunder and vikavolt's thunderbolt will probably close the gap.

Vikavolt has levitate I guess, but I'd rather go for sticky web

>>29503447
don't worry, it will probably learn leech life by TM

>>29503529
It doesn't matter when having those base stats alone doesn't really mean much

>>29503735
I think that's a psychic move, most likely Light Screen

>>29505137
>he thinks krookodile is a shitmon
>he thinks UU is a shitmon tier

>>29502559
>>29503936
The problem with levitate is not HA.

>>29506109
That's not a hard rule. Nothing in the series is a hard rule.

>>29506124
>being a denialfag

>>29506290
What?

>>29504161
Galvantula was RU before Sticky Web existed back in Gen V. Assuming Vikavolt's stats are distributed similarly, or slightly higher, you can expect it to take its place in RU.