Robinhoot's typing

Fag.

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>>29482619
Get over it, sperg

>>29482619

If you keep whining about it, maybe they'll change it!

>>29482619
You're not a real Ghost fan then.

>>29482619
Just wait for his battle bond form

>>29482619
>Robinhoot

Somebody post the pasta behind the ghost tipying please so we can /thread this and move fast already.

>>29482619
>Darkrai is more of ghost than this thing.
Silly anon, Darkrai is Fairy type.

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>>29482619
>strawpolls
thread discarded

>>29482619
What wrong with it being ghost? It kinda looks like one too. His wings looks like sheets. The red eyes, the hood

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You never actually saw an Owl right? They don't make a single sound with their wings when flying, the sounds they make are kinda haunting.

Spooky.

>>29482619
>Glowing red pupils
>Can silently stalk it's target
>Snipers are often referred to as ghosts
>Owls are often associated with death in many cultures
>Specifically in Hawaiian culture they have a a ghost spirit protector owl thing

I dunno bruv, it's good enough for me.

>>29482619
Is this a new shitpost?

IS OP A FAGGOT OR AN AUTIST? BOTH? NEITHER?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11520704
VOTE NOW!

>>29482696
This is more Dark-type than Ghost-type

>>29482726
...How?

>>29482696
>You can see its eyes from the very beginning
That's spooky as shit.

>>29482619
Keep crying bitch

>>29482669
>rowlet3 turns out to be a ghost type too

And? What is the point if he doesn't even have any Ghost-type aspects to him in his design? He doesn't fucking look like a Ghost-type by no possible angle, same with the shitty cat receiving the Dark-type. It is clear they just realized they fucked up with their designs and went with a retarded type-decision they should've went when making the FUCKING DESIGNS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Now we are stuck with a Fire/Dark pokemon that looks like Fire/Fighting and a Grass/Ghost pokemon that looks like a Grass/Flying. Absolute GARBAGE.

>>29482726
>owl
>evil-type

Are you fucking retarded?

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>>29482696
You never actually saw a Crow right? They are associated with bad omens and death. Murkrow is even stylized after a witch so it should be ghost type.

Spooky

It's a secondary ghost type, not a primary. Why complain, the typing is very unique.

>>29482619
It's a shadow elemental. Also, there's lots of Ghost types that aren't ghosts.

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>not having a "OP is a tremendous faggot" option

come the fuck on man

Nice strawpoll faggot. Is OP autist?
Yes, yes, or fuck yes?

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>>29482695
Niggas are just butthurt it isn't a shade of purple.

>>29482619
"I hate this and people MUST agree with me."

I don't know why I'm even replying

>>29482788
But witches are evil

>>29482788
Evil mons are Evil type.

Its more like into stealth and sneaky as a .....ghost..I suppose?

>>29482773
Their typings make sense, you're just a retard that refuses to admit you're wrong, and now you're throwing a shitfit in an attempt to find other likeminded retards. Or you're shitposting. Probably both.

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>>29482833
:^)

>>29482619
I'm not surprised you're this ignorant. Owls in history are seen as mythical and as omens. Heres an excerpt from a book coincidentally Ive been reading, "The owl has two major symbolic meanings. One is wisdom, the other is death,"(The Messengers, Mike Clelland).

>>29482848
Shadows are a ghost thing in Pokemon.

>>29482696
See, this pretty much alone justifies the typing for me.

Like, just imagine you're in a dark forest, almost pitch black, and faintly in the distance you see two glowing red eyes.
In an instant two arrows fly out of the darkness and pin you to a tree. You look up to see the two glowing eyes getting closer at an incredible speed.

And then bam, your neck is broken. Badass.

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>>29482619
Ghost type is my favorite type and I'm just gonna go and say to get the fuck over it. The typings are just a neat treat and don't matter so much outside of competitive.
Seriously, why are you so buttblasted over something that doesn't have to do with its actual design? Its like how the fire/dark typing for lucha litten doesnt somehow make it not the fourth fire starter with a fighting motif.

>>29482752
The way it leaps from the branches, silently flying to its pray, only seeing its eyes glowing in the darkness.
It screams ghost.

>>29482788
Crows aren't night birds to begin with. They aren't nearly as silent as an Owl is.
Look at the webm and tell me it isn"t fitting of a ghost type.

>>29482853
I was posting a copypasta as requested bro

>>29482867
It's an evil omen.

>>29482848
that's dark type

ghost is literally being made of ghost/shadow/whatever or haunting something

>>29482892
Oh ok

>>29482880
>pro wrestling
>fighting

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>>29482873

>>29482726
There's quite a few ghost-type attacks about disappearing into the shadows before striking.

Compare that to dark-type attacks, which have a bunch of underhanded tactics in the moves.

>>29482905
False. Just like every fire type isn't some fireball, not everything ghost type is a ghost elemental ball

>Bitches about Grass/Flying and its ice weakness
>Bitches about GF changing it to Grass/Ghost

You can't fucking win with people.

Also for the record OP Owls are often called Ghost in many different cultures.

>>29482619
should be dark tb.h

>>29482619
OP got buttfucked

>>29482905
Dark types are about fighting dirty, and being mischievous. It's why you get attacks like foul play and suckerpunch.

Compare that with ghost type attacks like shadow ball, phantom force, shadow sneak, etc.

Dark types aren't inherently sneaky or stealthy, and you're retarded for thinking so. It clearly has more in common with a ghost type.

>>29482886
>glowing in the darkness
>darkness
>it screams ghost

I don't think you even read your own post anon

It's based on Stilt Owls (which are extinct now), look it up.

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>>29482877
Why couldn't this be dark-type? what makes this mroe ghost than dark? Every single ghost type in Pokemon is associated with or does something something paranormal. I can't think of one exception. Some of them are more literal ghosts than others like Cofagrigus versus Jellicent who is just ghost because its said to feed on souls. Jellicent is notable because it actually wasn't concepted as a Ghost-type, but made Ghost to balance out types in the Pokedex of BW, so that's about as far to that side spectrum of being Ghost type versus the opposite side of being an actual ghost as you can possibly get that and STILL has the the soul sucker that haunts sunken ships thing to try and justify it. Decidueye has nothing. We know the concept of ill omens and such are at least as Dark as it is Ghost because of stuff like Absol and Murkrow, and at least they acknowledge that that's the concept behind them. Decidueye doesn't say anything about it being a bad omen or having spiritual associations or anything.

>>29482619
Being a ghost is a reference to how good of a sniper it is.

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/vp/ is the DSP of 4chan

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>extinct owl
>stealth
>xddd shouldnt be a ghost type also i hate it cuz its not a waifu mon or furry material xdDDDDd
end this meme

>>29483024
Dark is Evil type and is themed around underhanded tactics.

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>>29483024
>Not knowing that Dark type is translated as Evil type in japan
>Thinking Dark type has to do with literal darkness

I bet you think there should be a light type as well, don't you

>>29482619
Type is more about affinity, calm down faggot.

>>29483034
Just because it's a Ghost type doesn't necessarily mean it HAS to be paranormal or spiritual.

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>ghost type pokemon doesn't look like a ghost type
It fits Decidueye better than Jellicent, that's for sure

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>Yes because im a blind fanboy and will accept all of gamefreaks decisions
This is literally /vp/

>>29483075
>DSP
>Digital Signal Processor
What the fuck anon

I'll answer the first option if that means you will fuck off from here.
20 years and you still don't know how types work.
>Why is Squirtle not made of water, REEEEEEEEE
literally you

I think he got GHOST type because his a kind of a sniper/camper, no?
I mean, look that guy, he have a bow, a motherfucking bow!

>>29482924
>wrestling
>not fighting motif

You know what I mean you tard. Its the fourth fighting like fire starter, nothing that you people say to yourselves changes that fact.

>>29483034
Yeah, not gonna lie, I didn't read all of that.

Bottom line: you're a retarded faggot and you should off yourself

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>>29483099
Pretty sure that thing wasn't designed to be ghost, they just slapped the ghost type on it and added a lore

>>29483024
Yeah, Ghost are known for their midday appearance, totally not in the DARKNESS. Damn, Gengar should be Dark Type.
Guess, what, Owls are nightbirds, coincidentally, Ghost are creatures of the night, unlike crows, damn. What a shock.
Also, Dark type has nothing to do with Darkness or night, it's more "Evil" or "Malicious".

>not liking the grass/ghost typing
Decidueye's pleasantly surprised me. Most of the shit reveal has been garbage but I am glad to know that Decidueye exists.

So why the fuck was there never any backlash about non-ghost types being able to use ghost type moves?

Typing is literally just affinity.
Of course it doesn't make sense; the point of Pokemon is that you have cool shit like electrically-inclined rodents or flame-augmented horses. A spiritually-attuned night owl is hardly the worst offender.

Just be upfront about it and bitch about how all Pokemon aren't color coded because it triggers your autism.

>>29483034
Stopped reading at sentence 2. Is this a pasta or bait?

>>29483136
Ghost types have always been "made of ghost", which why moves phase through them.

>>29482619

It hasnt stated that he can or cant go through walls yet.

>>29483176
Pretty sure you just like talking out of your ass and have no idea what goes through a designers mind

Deadeye

>>29482619
booohoooo cry me a river.

get over it asshole. also, fuck you for your shitty strawpoll options. being ghost makes it more awesome.

>>29482898
No its not. The game even says it senses disasters and attempts to warn people.
That pink tapu on the other hand is evil.

Please tell me what is ghost like about a pink jellyfish or a blue pringles man jellyfish.

>>29482773
That's because Dark type is actually Evil type.

Most of the dark type moves are not actually "attacking with darkness", but sneak attacks, dirty hits, unfair fighting, etc. Feint Attack, Sucker Punch, Nasty Plot, etc. It isn't darkness type. Incineroar is the Heel pokemon. A Heel is the villain in professional wrestling, and they are always the ones who are using dirty tricks, cheating, etc. He's a villain, so he's dark type.

Unlike what most people think, the "opposite type" to dark isn't psychic or fairy, but fighting. They technically are both actually "fighting type", but fighting type is "fighting with honor", so good guy type, and dark type is actually "fighting dirty", so evil guy type.

That's why he's Dark type, not fighting. He's still "fighting", just evil fighting, not good fighting.

Also Ghost type doesn't mean the pokemon is a ghost. Alolan Marowak is similar to Decidueye in this sense, plus Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist, Drifloon/Drifblim, Mimikyu, Oricolo, Sableye, Rotom, Frillish/Jellicent. They aren't ghostly, yet they have the ghost type. No dead spirits, they're just spooky as fuck.

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>>29483019
>Dark types aren't inherently sneaky or stealthy, and you're retarded for thinking so.
I didn't say they were you stupid fuck, I said sneaking and stealth is one of the things that falls under dark type because it constitutes dirty fighting. Unless the pokemon actually becomes a shadow it's not ghost type. And nothing whatsoever about Decidueye's design implies that it can become incorporeal.

>>29483208
Oricorio

>>29482696
what the fuck that's terrifying.

>>29483141
>You know what I mean you tard. Its the fourth fighting like fire starter,
Except it's not. It's an actor.

>>29483208
>Jellicent
>Drifloon
>Aegislash

Oh, and also

>Alolan Marowak
>Oricorio Sensu
Why aren't you bitching about those two as well?

>>29483208
You mean primary typed Ghosts have always been made of ghost.
Secondary typings have always been more superfluous and a lot more lenient considering you had shit like Gyarados being part Flying to imply it's affinity towards air.

>>29482619
Watch this and you'll know why it's a ghost.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FdWrVmy8fZ4

>>29483091
No literally every ghost type looks or does something paranormal or spiritual. The closest exceptions are jellicent and maybe giratina. Jellicent haunts ships and sucks souls and giratina clearly has a shadow motif in its design, becomes amorphous and ghostly in origin forme, and is associated with death and an opposite "shadow" world in Sinnoh due to Sendoff Springs. This has nothing but our extrapolations to justify the typing.

>>29483250
That's a lot of words for a post I specifically said was some dumb pasta I found

>>29483263
>Shadow Sneak
>Evil type
>silent hunter
>evil type

>>29483263
But that's retarded
What's more sneaky and stealthy than literally becoming a shadow?

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>>29482619
The salt is big in this one.

>>29483300
>Sableye

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>>29483243
>You're stranded in the open ocean
>Suddenly You see this circling you underwater
Come on that's pretty spooky, man.

>>29483354
Sableye is based on cryptid, which is a paranormal thing. I went through the list of ghost types before making the post

>>29483242
Not trying to agree with the evil shitposter, but the games ALSO state that it's feared because it brings disaster. It senses danger, shows up, and disasters happen. People don't care about part 1 of the formula, yet go nuts over part 2 and 3. It's reasonable to think of it from the fearful folks' view as evil.

>>29483263
>Unless the pokemon actually becomes a shadow it isn't ghost type
>Jellicent
>Oricorio
>Marowak
wew lad

>>29482619
This reads like something straight out of tumblr

>>29483364
jesus christ

>>29482905
shadow punch's description is that its literally a punch from the shadows

>>29482619
holy shit it's a shiny autism-type anon

>>29482619
I thought it was Grass/Ghost instead of Ghost/Grass because it primarily looks like a Grass type pokemon.

>>29483282
Jellyfish are almost entirely water, balloons are almost entirely air, and both of them eerily float around. The incorporeal aspect lends itself easily to ghost type.
Aegislash is a haunted object. Lots of ghost types are.
Marowak is and oricorio are both occult.

All of these things suggest ghost type which in Pokemon means they're actual ghosts that can phase through things. Nothing about Decidueye suggests it's a ghost. It's a bright superhero bird.

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>>29483364
Holy shit I know it's near Halloween anon, but you have to give a warning when you post something so spooky

>>29483377
No, it's just a goblin that eats rocks. By your logic it should be Psychic type, since the other cryptids (the Elgyem line) are Psychic.

Ghost doubles as a Shadow elemental type. See: Shadow Sneak, Shadow Claw, Shadow Ball

>>29483395
I didn't say that's the ONLY criteria of ghost types you fucking mong, I said if you're making the shadow association then the Pokemon would actually have to become a shadow. Merely attacking from the shadows doesn't make something a ghost type.

>>29483364
Once he pops your anus he can't stop.

>>29483141
I can agree with you there.

However, the fact that Dark type exists to contrast with Fighting type. Both represent fighting and combat, however the key difference is the "honour", for lack of a better term. Fighting type represents honour, discipline, chivalry, etc. Any monk, knight, martial artist, or other wise that uses gains it's strength from martial prowess is fighting type.

Dark type is again, a fighting type, however it represents dishonour, fighting dirty, cheap tactics, cheating, sneak attacks, fighting dirty, etc.

Ghost is the type representing the literal aspect of darkness, not dark type, and dark type is the one representing the malicious and evil nature, not ghost type.

>>29483377
Well, then I'm sure you can be forgiving about an unorthodox Pokemon typing just this once, right?

>>29483263
Dark is evil type
Ghost is spooky/darkness type

>>29483464
And why not? It's just its secondary type. Gyarados can't actually fly. Venusaur isn't particularly poisonous.

>>29483447
Sableye is easy to interpret as a ghost type since it's a creepy little purple imp. It has ghost colors and resembles a trickster spirit.

Nothing about Decidueye conveys ghost.

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>>29483243
Well, it's way more spooky than most Ghost type.

>>29483464
>Merely attacking from the shadows doesn't make something a ghost type
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shadow_Punch_(move)#Description

>>29483426
>Marowak and Oricorio are both occult
>Source: Your Dad's Ass

Marowak is based on fire dancers and spirits and Oricorio is based on a spirit medium/channeler/whatever

At least try harder, faggot

A lot of the typings this gen are really stupid and nonsensical desu

>>29483447
They could have been. Sure. Perhaps that wasn't the part they wanted to focus on and just made them Psychic because they wanted to emphasize high intelligence. That wasn't "my logic" though. I said sableye was ghost because it's a cryptid. That's it. That doesn't mean every cryptid is a ghost type. But that's why Sableye is. If it's "shadow elemental" type, why doesn't sableye do anything shadow related if it's just a goblin that eats rocks?

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Designer - "Yo Masuda check out these wicked designs, here's this awesome burly fire/fighting wrestling cat, this sneaky stealthy grass/dark sniper owl and I wanted the water seal to be fairy type so I just turned him into a girl!"
Masuda - "Sorry dude, I know its becoming a tradition but fans will throw a shitstorm if we have another fire/fighting starter. How about you make him fire/dark? just come up with some bullshit about how he fights dirty."
Designer - "B-but, the grass starter already has dark as a secondary type"
Masuda - "Hmmm... just switch it to ghost, uh, owls are kinda spooky... I guess."
Designer - "Done and done. Thanks senpai you're a genius, it's no wonder you're heading the pokemon franchise."

>>29483510
Oh my god, are you really being this autistic over its fucking color?

>>29483526
So you agree that not all types have to make sense

>>29483426
It's an owl.
Owls are completely silent as they fly. Not a sound. The make a spooky sound, have giant, creepy, unmoving eyes, can turn their heads almost all the way around, and look unsettling. They aren't evil, but owls have always been associated with the dead and spooky stuff.

It's ghost through and through.

>>29483545
>autism: the post

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>>29483523
>fuck your headcanons, my headcanons are better!

I mean there's being a massive faggot and then there's you

>>29483263
>, I said sneaking and stealth is one of the things that falls under dark type
A move literally named Shadow Sneak is Ghost-type. Every move having to do with shadows and stealth is Ghost-type, not Dark-type. You're just wrong.

>>29483504
>Gyarados can't actually fly
But it can. It clearly levitates like a chinese dragon. It just doesn't like carrying people around.
Venusaur has a poisonous plant on its back.
There are other types that would be reasonable on these Pokemon, but those types certainly make sense.
Ghost type does not make sense on Decidueye's design.

>>29483545
I like the bottom more.
They have personality.
Venusaur is the only good one desu.

>>29483545
>le switched types last second meme
3/10
admire the dedication, but I need some new material

>>29483584
But then how do you explain reclassifications such as Azumarill?

>>29483545
Literally the only two good starters out of the six of those are Blastoise and Decidueye

>>29483545
The sad thing is that this was probably what really happened

>>29483523
Marowak has shaman/voodoo elements that are occult. And its line has always revolved around death.

>spirit medium/channeler/whatever
>not occult

>>29483549
No? How did you get that out of my post? Does that mean you think Decidueye's typing doesn't make sense?

>all these people performing mental gymnastics to justify the typing

why can't you people just admit that not everything GF does makes sense or is done for a good reason

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>>29482619
Im sorry but this is actually disgusting. This is not a Rock type. Steelix is more of a rock than this thing

>>29483584
>It clearly levitates like a chinese dragon
You mean like literally every water type pokemon that has no legs in any game with animated sprites?

or do you mean that because it levitates like a dragon, it should actually just be dragon type

or do you mean that all dragons should be part flying because dragons can fly

I'm so confused, pls explain

>>29483545
>I'm literally retarded and can't comprehend design conceps

--

Types can include many "elements", we know this due to the attacks. And the Pokemon aren't literally made of their type. Rock Pokemon don't need to be made of rock, Fire Pokemon don't need to be made of fire, etc, they're affinities

For example,
>Dark
Evil, Mischievous
>Ghost
Ghosts, Shadows
>Electric
Electricity, Light

>>29483583
>using English names to explain a design
Oh, I'm arguing with a retard.
The move's Japanese name is Shadow Strike.

Again, it's only ghost type if the Pokemon actually turns into shadow. Dark is the type that's full of sneaky attacks like Thief, Feint Attack, Sucker Punch, Foul Play etc.

>>29483647
"I'm new to Pokemon" the post

>Dragon typing is thrown around figuratively
>People cope

>Ghost typing is thrown around figuratively
>People don't get it

People forget that Dark type is supposed to be "evil", not just some vague sense of "shadowy".
Metal Gear Solid comparison: Dark is killing all the guards, Ghost is leaving no trace and never getting caught.

>>29483583
Sucker Punch? Faint Attack? Thats just off the top of my head.

>>29483545
They would have just kept owl bro Grass/Flying then.

>>29483636
>all these people shitting on gamefreak for every small detail

Why can't you people just admit when GF does something good instead of bitching and whining about nonsensical shit all the time?

>>29483616
That fairy type's arbitrary distribution is not a basis for good design.

>>29483583
Shadow Sneak isn't about sneaking around. What's happening is that your pokemon's shadow is extended behind the opponent which attacks them from behind.

>>29483697
and then nobody would pick it because of the garbage typing

>>29482619
Then how about Nidoking/Queen having a Ground typing added to their Poison typing?

>>29483426
>It's a bright superhero bird.

Because people were perpetuating the "Robinhoot" meme and you find yourself unable to de-tint your glasses of it.

The fact that it's signature move is called Spirit Shackle / かげぬい alone suggests that it has developed shadow-related abilities to compliment it's fighting style.
Not to mention that it's capable of unnaturally erasing/concealing its presence.

No need to go crazy about it. Who cares.

But yeah, something a little more ethereal in the design would have made it look more like a ghost type. Floating bow-tie or arrow feathers, permanently solid red eyes... etc. Any would have helped.

>>29483688
>Oh, I'm arguing with a retard.
>The type more likely to strike from the shadows is dark
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shadow_Punch_(move)

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>>29483695
>Walking up to an opponent disarmingly before attacking
>Hitting someone before they have a chance to attack/react
>Stealthy

>>29483713
Being baffled about the Ghost typing is perfectly understandable. People on this board need to stop getting pissy just because others are making reasonable criticisms of Pokemon.

Its an owl, the phantom of the forest. Its sneaks around silently in the shadows and strikes when when you least expect it. Then it disappears just as quickly. It may not be a ghost itself but it has a lot of traits that are ghost like

>>29483667
>it should actually just be dragon type
Dragon type would make sense on it actually. But flying type does as well because it flies. As would dark type, normal type, maybe even fire if you're stretching it. However, ghost type would not make any sense on it, just like it doesn't make sense on Decidueye.

>>29483695
Sucker Punch and Feint Attack both have nothing to do with being shadowy or stealthy. Sucker Punch is hitting the foe when they aren't prepared, Feint Attack is pretending to be peaceful and then striking when the opponent is off guard.

>>29483695
A feint must be seen to work. That's why they changed the name from Faint to Feint - it's not hard to see, it's misleading. Sucker punches are thrown by loud drunk people all the time. A sucker punch is just a punch thrown before a fight starts. They're both unexpected, not unseen.

>>29483718
Then do you think Cloyster gaining Ice type is a basis for good design?

>>29483785
>The fact that it's signature move is called Spirit Shackle / かげぬい alone suggests that it has developed shadow-related abilities to compliment it's fighting style.
Great. Actually explain that then. They didn't explain it at all. It just randomly has a move that stitches shadows. There's no explanation for it. It probably only has the move in the first place because IT'S a ghost-type. You can't use something it almost surely got after and as a result of getting the typing to justify it. That's circular as hell.

Also owls in general fly silently. That's like their thing besides how they look. Why wasn't Noctowl Ghost-type? I'd honestly be more convinced its a ghost-type than Decidueye. I can't remember but I'm pretty sure Dartrex and Rowlet were described as being silent flyers as well

>>29483814
Yeah and when people reasonably point out why it can be a ghost type they get shit on about how wrong they are and blah blah blah

Actually read the thread

I think the best explanation is that Decidueye carries ghosts in its body in order to use them as fuel for its spirit arrows.

>>29483825
so every water type that sort of levitates in the air should be dragon type

or are you basing it on the lore of the pokemon

>>29483790
I think it really should have had tattered, darker colored wings. It'd have been such a simple change. The concept would still be the same and the change in design would be small. But it would have been a huge leap in making the ghost typing appear better. Itd sort of look a torn grim reaper cloak.

>>29483834
>Sucker Punch is hitting the foe when they aren't prepared, Feint Attack is pretending to be peaceful and then striking when the opponent is off guard

Both sound very sneaky to me.

>>29483838
Water/ice are close enough to not need much justification, just like rock/ground. But ghost wouldn't make sense on cloyster, just like it doesn't make sense on owl.

>>29483814
It's perfectly understandable. What isn't understandable is maintaining that Decidueye can't possibly be a Ghost-type because of patterns the poster made up.

>>29483545
Why the fuck would the owl be dark?
Are you retarded?
He isn't evil in any fucking way.

Every dark type is malicious or evil in some way:
>alolan raticate are mafia-themed
>houndoor/houndoom are hellhounds
>sableye is some spooky gem eating poltergeist gollum ass thing
>murkrow/honchkrow are fucking crows, which have always been associated with evil
>Vullaby/Mandibuzz are vultures/buzzards
>Yvetal is literally destruction incarnate
>Incineroar is a Heel
>Pangoro, the only fighting/dark type, is honourable, yet merciless
>Greninja is a ninja, so basically an assassin
>Spiritomb is literally the spirit of 108 evil people
Dark is evil
Owls aren't fucking evil.
Owls are pretty spooky, so he's evil.
Flying =/= bird type.

Night Slash (move)
Type Dark
The Japanese name つじぎり (Crossroad Killing) refers to the way in which some samurai would test new swords in feudal Japan, known as Tsujigiri. This was by hiding in wait by a road (typically a crossroads, thus its literal translation) and waiting for an unsuspecting commoner (i.e. lower class, and so with far fewer rights than the samurai class) to pass by. He would then strike to kill, and in this way learn how well his new sword could cut.

>>29483804
I'm pretty sure the thrown from shadows thing isnt about sneaking around but just to go along with the shadow elemental thing. Its not really evidence that ghost = sneaky type. Meanwhile Dark type literally has an attack called Sneak Attack

>>29483877
I'm basing it on the way it looks. You know, its DESIGN. Which is what we're talking about here.

Based on its design it would work as dragon, flying or dark. But certainly not ghost. Same as Decidueye actually, excluding dragon.

>>29483903
>Every dark type is malicious or evil in some way:
alola persian steals people's lasagna

>Greninja is a ninja, so basically an assassin
>Owl is a sniper, so basically an assassin

>>29483731
Shut the fuck up bitch

>>29483895
>>Both sound very sneaky to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUSdxZD0mZc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tstrHC6b2SM
""""sneaky""""

>>29483956
reply to >>29483903

>>29483895
>A guy walking up to you waving his hand and smiling clocks you in the face for no reason
>sneaky

>>29482619
ghost does not constitute spookiness similar to how you are trying to BTFO other anons by trying to connect past dark types to sneaky fighting. Past trends that you coincidentally found all favorable does not mean it is the only aspect that should be displayed in a ghost type.

Rather you should see it from a different perspective. Ghosts in this Alolan culture seem to represent the past. The past constitutes the extinct animals and extinct cultural values, such as in Marowak and now in RootHoot3(fuck that name desu). In the past you associate ghost with only controlling shadows, not with controlling spirits or the energy of spirits. Roothoot3 is a spirit of the forest, representing the dead and extinct animals as a guardian, similar to how alolan marowak is a deity or vessel(respected figure, not necessarily a god) to the Alolan Warriors of the past(parallel Hawaiian warriors).

You talk of things haunting things when you have pokemon such as the new Ship-wheel pokemon and the honedge line who are also possessed by cultural values of spirits. For honedge, it's the warrior, and presumably for this ship-wheel mon, it's the spirit of pirates or the ship. Hell even gengar is more of a spirit of dead pokemon than a shadow.
Can I ask what are your favorite ghost type pokemon? I think I agree with one of your less direct points that Roothoot3's design does not fit any color scheme of past ghost types. Maybe your ranking of ghost types will reveal what the heck is a ghost type.

>>29483813
>>29483834
I'm not sure if you guys are just being dense and obtuse or if you are actually retarded. I'm pretty sure surprise attacks is the whole point of being sneaky.
>だましうち Sneak Attack

>>29483895
Next question: How do you feel about OG Exeggcute/Exeggutor being Grass/Psychic and Scizor going from Bug/Flying to Bug/Steel?

>>29483898
They are observable patterns of Gamefreak's own designs. You are basically arguing that there doesn't need to be a justification for designs and they can be completely arbitrary, which just means you yourself have no standards.

>>29483903
Pangoro isn't evil. It just fights dirty.
Owl fights dirty too.

>>29483944
but it's just a giant fish
it wouldn't be anything besides water
maybe dark because it looks evil
but flying and dragon don't make sense purely from design

but it's still flying type because it can jump really really high

>>29483952
>It usually puts on a refined act, but once a battle begins, it will indulge in the most underhanded of tactics, including surprise attacks, trickery, and even foul play.

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Hahaha
All this arguing and yet desidueye will never be anything but a grass ghost pokemon
stay mad faggots

>>29483263
>>29483583
Dark types are all about fighting dirty. Biting, Hitting foes who are running away, Throwing stuff at them, stealing from them or slapping what they have away forcefully and taunting foes. Onlyl ike two Dark moves are actual Darkness like Dark Pulse and Dark Void.

Ghosts are all about sneaking, hiding in the shadows to strike, darkness, and halloween spooky trickery.

>>29482619
>cannot accept this.
yeah but, no-one gives a fuck. this is the age of the personal opinion. but no-one gives a fuck. this sole pokemon fan in a sea of 3 million. why the fuck, do you think, anyone - let alone gamefreak, gives a fuck? because no-one gives a fuck. the glorious age of the internet means you get to make a thread on here spouting your opinion. but it won't even be archived for more than a month. Enjoy your brief (you)s while they last because once that passes. no-one. gives. a. fuck.

>>29483377
Beeheeyem's my favorite ghost type

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>>29484022
>Owl fights dirty too
The fuck are you even talking about

>>29484022
shadow magic =/= fighting dirty

Ghosts use shadow magic

>>29483992
Yeah, it's a sneak attack, because you're not expecting it.

>>29484018
Exeggcute's entire premise is a hivemind of seeds. Psychic makes sense. Scizor is literally covered in metal. I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

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>>29483691

>>29484015
Sneaky as in being sly and clever with dirty tactics is not the same thing as sneaky as being shadowy or hard to detect.

There is literally only one valid complaint about Decidueye, and that's the retarded goddamn way its wings fold.

>>29484022
>They are observable patterns of Gamefreak's own designs.
You observed wrong. You have constantly been proven wrong about your assumptions (Jellicent = ghost because water?) and instead of admitting that you're wrong you conclude that it's Game Freak that must be wrong.

>>29483804
Shadow Punch is literally a punch from the shadows, yes.

By that, it's very literal. It is a punch of shadows. Punch of darkness. It's like how fire punch is a punch of fire, not a punch with a fiery attitude.

The move you're looking for is Feint Attack, which is identical in every way to Shadow Punch, as they both variations of Swift, however Shadow Punch is Ghost, and Feint Attack is Dark. Feint Attack is an attack that catches the opponent off-guard.

Face is, Ghost is actually Dark type, and Dark is actually Evil type.

The whole theme of stealth, sniping and sneak attacks lends itself perfectly to the dark type.

>>29483790
It doesn't need to be some ham-fisted spooky ghost owl, it just has ghost powers. You cannot fucking tell me that owl can't become invisible and use shadows as a weapon based on its appearance alone. Guess what, this owl's magical fucking powers are not limited to shooting arrows and controlling plants. It's a spooky nighttime warrior that strikes silently and vanishes into the shadows. It's repertoire of abilities justifies it's typing, just like Pokemon have been doing since generation fucking one. Do you look at drowzee and get triggered because it's a psychic type and not a ground type? No, because drowzee has always been around and you're used to it.

>>29482619
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11520671
This poll needs an "Op is Faggot" option.
That's the only vote you'll get from me.

>>29484015
>Sucker Punch
>ふいうち Surprise Attack

>>29484072
For it to be a sneak attack the attacker has to remain unseen

>>29484053
>>29484069
Sneak attacks from a distance are dirty fighting.

Again, it's not ghost unless the shadows themselves are being manipulated as a force, an attacking substance. Sure, they forced that aspect onto its arrows, but nothing about its design implies that aspect.

It's evidence enough that literally nobody thought it would be a ghost type from the leaks. It's fucking clear that it's design doesn't convey ghost.

>>29484104
>a punch from the shadows literally means a punch made of shadows
you don't know what 'literal' means
there are pokemon moves that would be closer to what you said
like shadow sneak or shadow claw
but if they meant "made from shadows", there's literally no reason they wouldn't put "made from shadows" unless they meant something else

>>29484022
>owl fights dirty too

In what way? It shoots fucking arrows. Are you one of those people who bitches when people use ranged attacks in fighting games?

>>29484072
Magneton is 3 Magnemites acting as one and Dugtrio is 3 Digletts acting as one but they aren't psychic.

>>29482619
You're a fucking moron if you can't understand why it's half Ghost. Look up stilt owls. Not only are they an extinct bird native to Hawaii, they hunted a night and any move that deals with shadows in this game are Ghost-type.

>>29484157
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11520671
To be honest its signature move is called Spirit Shackle or Shot or whatever. It probably channels its own life energy into each arrow somehow.

>>29484148
It fucking says right in its dex

>This Pokémon is able to move about while completely masking its presence from others. Once an opponent has lost sight of it, Decidueye seizes the chance to attack it unawares.

It's a sneak attacker. But nothing says that it actually transforms its body into shadow, like a ghost type. And its design certainly doesn't suggest that.

>>29484005
Look you can say all this shit but one of the problems is that they didn't SAY any of this. Primarina is visually a mermaid and the japanese name includes the word siren conveying that it'd be fairy since mermaids are a magical fairy tale thing and that falls under fairy. While Incineroar might not look overtly dark more than, say, fighting other than LOL IT'S BLACK and being kind of mean looking which I don't think this enough to scream Dark-type, the explanation that came along with it heavily emphasized where the dark typing came from by having all the tropes associated with the heel archetype of wrestler. Decidueye got nothing to explain its ghost-typing. We are just extrapolating that maybe it's ghost because it's based on the idea that owls can be seen as omens of death or because it's sneaky. But they didn't say "it becomes incorporeal to sneak around" or "people see it as an ill omen" or anything. It's sneaky and it can control its arrows to go any way it wants them to. Dartrix could do the latter already and being sneaky is certainly not enough to be Ghost-type as many Pokemon, whether they're dark-type, ghost-type, psychic-type, or fucking water type can be sneaky. It could have seemed suitably stealthy if it had just remained grass/flying.

>>29484146
It will probably learn this. Are you implying Pokemon can only learn STAB moves or?

>>29484169
Why do owlfags have the attention span of a fucking gnat?

I said multiple times that it's about what's immediately apparent, but what's reasonable. Psychic WOULD be justifiable on those Pokemon. Ghost would not. Just like it isn't on Decidueye.

>>29484072
Don't worry about what I'm after. Just keep answering questions.

Porygon family being Normal type is okay, right?
What is the difference between Exeggutor and Celebi's typing since we brought up Grass types?

Why isnt tyranitar a dragon? How the fuck is it a rock type?

>>29484106
Drowzee evolves into Hypno, which makes complete sense to be psychic based on appearance.

I wouldn't get triggered by any pre-evolution stage as long as there's something in the design of the final that makes sense with its typing. I AM triggered by Gyarados' flying type though.

>>29484157
I agree that the design does not scream ghost at all.
However, I disagree that using long-distance shadow magic is dirty fighting. That just means they're using the range of their elemental powers, in this case the shadow element for pokemon, to their advantage. Sneaky fighting/long-range fighting does not equal dirty fighting. Dirty is subjective to the perspective of one pokemon that can take on a whole range of actions to fit the definition. For one perspective it is dirty fighting because the person did not expect it while from the other perceptive it is taking advantage of an opportunity.

>>29484148
the attack is sneaky not the attacker it's a sneak attack/sucker punch solely because the person being hit isn't going to see it coming, isn't that an unseen attack?

>>29484238
not about what's immediately apparent*

>>29484183
but its design doesn't fit into that at all.

>>29484079
Um... being hard to detect is, in fact, one of the primary things you need to have in order to have deceptive tactics work.

>>29484235
Dealing in hypothetical events isn't a good argument senpai

>>29484238
The point is that obviously the reason it's a psychic type has nothing to do with the fact that is has 3 heads because there are multiple pokemon with 3 heads

WHO CARES, ghost and dark are both the edgy emo types and they tend to overlap thematically.

no one would be mad if darkrai was ghost type and no one would be mad if giratina was dark/dragon type. they often overlap thematically

>>29484189
Again, there's a bunch of Ghost types that can't turn into actual shadows. Decidueye is figuratively a shadow, and is spooky since it hunts unseen in the forest (like actual fucking owls, which are almost all creepy little nocturnal shits). Most Ghost types tend to be like this. The only ones that aren't are typically objectmons with a possession gimmick. And Mimikyu. They worked damn hard to make it as cute and non-threatening as possible before release, so Mimikyu's a ghost just because.

>>29484183
Kagenui is a ninjitsu technique where you pin someone's shadow to the ground with something sharp like a needle stitching, paralyzing them. That's in fact what's going on the move as well. Thats why the arrow hits the ground. So there's nothing paranormal about it in the sense of manipulating spiritual energy or life force anything.

>>29484275
>being hard to detect is, in fact, one of the primary things you need to have in order to have deceptive tactics work.
Ah, so the aforementioned example of Feint Attack (which involves walking up to the target disarmingly, and then striking them before they can react) totally requires being hard to detect. And Fake Tears totally wouldn't defeat itself if the target didn't notice. Same with Flatter, of course.

>>29483956
>>29484022
Owls don't fight dirty. Are you retarded. Also, he isn't a sniper, he's an archer. A soldier isn't an assassin, nor is an archer, or a sniper. The theme of this generations starters is performers, so he definitely is not an assasin.

I said Pangoro wasn't evil. Fighting and Dark type are designed to be opposites. They both represent a fighter, one honourable, one dishonourable. Fighting type moves are normal fighting techniques, regular punches, kicks, etc, while Dark moves are dirty fighthing techniques, like sucker punches, feinting, taunting, and just generally being a dick. Pangoro is fighting/dark, which is weird. Read his deck entries, and just fucking look at him. He's very much the "Honor, yet Merciless" kind of thing, just read his pokedex descriptions.

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>>29484356
Well I just learned something new and cool from you. Thanks anon.

>>29484244
Normal has almost no criteria. Porygon could be electric, psychic, whatever, but normal is fine on anything just on principle.
Celebi's type is pretty much completely arbitrary and I don't consider it a basis for good design.

>>29484356
He's manipulating shadows. He's literally stitching someone's shadow to the ground. That is a ghost type technique.

>>29484355
>nd is spooky since it hunts unseen in the forest
Don't MANY pokemon use stealth and such to hunt or do whatever? I dont know any off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure being stealthy is not a defining trait for this thing that would pin it as ghost in particular.

>>29484412
Why wasn't Greninja ghost-type? Does that mean ninjas would be ghost type in pokemon?

>>29484212
>This Pokémon is able to move about while completely masking its presence from others.
I can see why this entry seems ambiguous to being ethereal or simply being sneaky. But you're simply showing denial when they literally showed roothoot3 using a ghost-imbued arrow move in the trailer. One of your main points in defending a typing of a pokemon is its moveset. Your logic is that since dark types are evil pokemon, they'll usually have "sneaky" movepools. Yet, in the trailer, when they fucking show you that the arrow he produced, mind you whose effect has similar affects to ghost-only abilities such as shadow tag, is in fact ghostly and ethereal(using mystical unseen "shadow" power), you'll deny it. It makes no fucking sense. You would think that if you used moves as your logic base, you could easily accept this pokemon.

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>>29484374
>They both represent a fighter, one honourable,
nice headcannon

primeape sure strikes me as an honourable fellow

>>29484448
Because greninja toys with it's enemies
which is particularly cruel or evil

>>29484448
I think it got dark because the era of japan ninjas came from was loaded with backstabbery and betrayals.

Like a ninja though its Protean reflects that they can adapt to many situations.

>>29484355
Again, I didn't say they have to be able to turn into shadows, I said if you're going to make the shadow connection then it's only ghost-related if they are actually shadow.

Only some owls are creepy. Just like how black cats are creepy but fluffy white persians are not. There is absolutely nothing creepy about a hawk-owl wearing robin hood cosplay.

Mimikyu has an entire eldritch abomination element and its disguise is clearly a failed patchwork. Decidueye has no such spooky element.

>>29484374
I didn't say "owls" you fuckhead, I said owl, as in this owl. Its dex straight up fucking says that it makes opponents lose sight of it then attacks it unawares. That's dirty fighting.

>>29483855

Hawaiins believe owls are linked to the spirit world.

Thats all there is too it.

"Owls are all about legend and folklore and have been for centuries. They have a special place in Hawaiian mythology. It is said that they rescue souls from the underworld and safely guide armies"

Explains his move and everything and how he can randomly seem to vanish.

>>29484421
>>29484421
>I'm pretty sure being stealthy is not a defining trait for this thing that would pin it as ghost in particular
Well, good thing it isn't. There's plenty of support for the ghost typing that just comes from being an owl. Owls are damn near universally seen as supernatural, spiritual creatures.
http://www.pauldfrost.co.uk/intro_o2.html

>Noctowl
Gen 2 in general was a massive sack of failed opportunities. It should have been a Ghost/Flying, and I held a bit of hope that there would be an Alola form like that.

>>29482619
You people did nothing but bitch and whine about how it was going to be Grass/Flying. Now it's Grass/Ghost and you're still flinging shit about it.

>>29484448
Greninja's(whose design mimicks a frog and ninja, not just a ninja) only ghost type move is lick. His ability, protean, changes a pokemon's structure to harness the elemental power to better suit that move. none of these abilities connect to being a ninja. In fact the only reason this move makes sense is because it has a giant fucking tongue and its ability allows it to change its structure. By your logic, anything with a tongue that can harness ghost power can be a ghost type you fucking idiot.

>>29484421
>I'm pretty sure being stealthy is not a defining trait for this thing that would pin it as ghost in particular.
thats literally what it is? Its stealthy in a way that has led to it being likened to ghosts. Whats not to get?

>>29484473
Thing really should've been Dark-type tbqh.

>>29484404
Really? I figured Psychic/Grass or even Grass/Psychic to be prefect for the Time Travel Pokemon considering its Pokedex entries. After all, what else would you classify a Pokemon that is related to the concept of time, has a green color, is regularly depicted floating, and primarily lives in forests?

Basically, what you mean to say is that Exeggutor's typing makes complete sense and that Celebi's type is stupid? Or did I misunderstand?

>>29484448
I'll admit that I thought Greninja should have been Ghost instead of Dark, but ninjas are pretty underhanded so it's okay.

>>29484469
It's not a "ghost-imbued" arrow. What shadow stitiching actually is has nothing to do with ghosts. It also has nothing to do with arrows but that's itself an entirely different issue.

Besides that, it only HAS the move BECAUSE it is Ghost-type. That's circular logic. You're going "It's ghost-type because it has a ghost-type move", when Pokemon have whatever moves gamefreak gives them, and they can make whatever move to suit it. If it had been Grass/Ice they could have made it an Ice-type arrow that freezes the opponent and have the exact same design but it'd be okay because it has an Ice-type move. That doesn't make any sense.

>>29484308
If you weren't implying that sucker punch is a stealth move, therefore decidueye should be dark type, then I have no idea what your point was. Forgive me, I just got here. It SEEMS like some autists getting triggered about some arbitrary rule they've invented about what ghost types look like that GF isn't following. I mean, if getting triggered when imaginary patterns are ignored is an autism stereotype, how are people on this board not self aware enough to ask themselves "am I inventing this pattern and expecting the world to conform to it" when shit like this happens. It's like over-singing the national anthem. How do people still keep doing this unironically. How have you not heard that this is a fucking overplayed stereotype

>>29484584
Yeah, you did, because my point is that Celebi's design doesn't relate to the psychic type. Only its lore does.

Seems to me like you were leading me to "admit" that dex entries justify types independent of design, but that's your point, not mine. And it's wrong.

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ThIm sorry but this is actually disgusting. This is not a ghost type. Darkrai is more of ghost than this thing.

I'm a ghost type fan and simply cannot accept this.

>>29484473
>primeape sure strikes me as an honourable fellow
never gives up in a fight, so yeah

being super mad all the time isn't dishonorable

>>29484638
>It SEEMS like some autists getting triggered about some arbitrary rule they've invented about what ghost types look like that GF isn't following
LITERALLY
L I T E R A L L Y
EVERY SINGLE GHOST TYPE IS OR DOES OR IS ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING SUPERNATURAL IN UNIVERSE
EVERY
SINGLE
ONE
Nobody "made up" the arbitrary rule.

>>29484652
it's armor so it should either be steel or fighting, obviously

>>29484679
It's an stealthy owl that can pin your shadow to the ground. That's fucking weird.

>>29484473
what about being angry says underhanded to you?

>>29484652
the prague golem is a symbol of mysticism and the supernatural. Also the general idea of unliving clay being reanimated probably. It could have been Psychic maybe. Maybe it could have even been Fairy. But there is a reason it's ghost. And it's a lot less tenuous than "it's stealthy" and "real world owls are associated with night and death" and such. If the latter was something they were going for they would have said it.

>>29484421
Decidueye is a stealth hyperbole though. It's its main thing. Sneasel is also stealthy, but its main thing is stealing things and beating people up. Let me play devil's advocate for a moment though. A good example of "where is the line" would be greninja. I'm surprised no on has mentioned it yet.

>>29484640
Exeggcute is justa bunch of seeds that look like eggs, its design doesn't relate to the psychic type. Only its lore does

>>29484750
Moves are mechanical vehicle for the flavor behind them. You can't justify a typing and lore with moves. Typing and lore justify the moves. Gamefreak can give or take whatever moves they want for whatever arbitrary reasons up to and including mechanical ones. Infernape can throw punches made of ice.

>>29484640
So in regards to design, would Lileep and Cradily not point to it as well? Or would the fact that it's a fossil work too?

>Seems to me like you were leading me to "admit" that dex entries justify types independent of design, but that's your point, not mine.
You misunderstand. I'm not trying to prove a point. I just want something and I'm getting closer to it. That's all.

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>it's the you have to be "dead" to use ghost powers meme

Has it ever occurred to any of you that Owlbro just simply utilizes ghost type tactics so much that it effectively achieves part ghost "typing" by merit alone.

Or are you anons the type of people who need to type cast everything because you can't into non-linear abstract themes?

Everyone seem to be okay with a living palm tree becoming part dragon.

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>>29484157
>It's fucking clear that it's design doesn't convey ghost.
It doesn't. But no 4x weakness to ice types is a relief. Also, can you see the neat fanarts of rowlet we're going to see every Halloween thanks to its ghost typing?

>>29484803
Its design is reasonable as psychic because multiple individuals suggest a hivemind. We went over this.

Sorry I blew out your little "plan."

>>29483855
You act as if the information we got with its reveal is the be all end all extent of the information that will ever be given on it.
Details divulging why Charizard had a greater affinity for Flying than Dragon wasn't divulged until much later.
The implications are still there in the meantime.

>Why wasn't Noctowl Ghost-type?
Because Noctowls in-verse have capabilities deemed as attributeless. They have extraordinary eyesight and are good at sneaking. That's it.
Considerably different than a creature that can completely erase their presence, and is somehow able to strike targets with a seemingly unnatural accuracy from amazing distances.

>>29484839
People keep saying shit like this but the reasoning and explanation for the other two starters typings were very clear and upfront. There was nothing to extrapolate. We didn't have to go "well, maybe it's ghost because real world owls are spooky".

I would say Noctowl but someone in this thread literally said Noctowl "should" have been ghost so at this point I cant say anything since any ridiculous can be said without concern about how fucking stupid it is.

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>>29484839
In several cultures the owl is associated with death, so the ghost typing doesn't seem so off, unlike pringles octopus or golurk.

>>29484760
>But there is a reason it's ghost
what is it then? theres no spirit possessing it. Its no more ghost like than any other object mon


Pueo, the Hawaiian Owl has a special place in Hawaii’s mythology. Pueos were silently sailing over the Hawaiian Islands well before the arrival of the first Polynesians. Pueo is a short eared owl who inhabits the mountains and sea lands throughout the islands of Hawaii. Pueos are endemic to Hawaii and listed as an endangered species.
The Pueo has always been sacred to the people of Hawaii and treated with the utmost love and respect. The mystic bird of wisdom often appears to offer guidance and protection. The Mana (spiritual energy) of this beautiful creature of the night reaches far into the spirit world. Up to this day, many Hawaiians have such a strong connection to Pueo that she becomes a kinolau (physical manifestation) of Aumakua (ancestral spirit).
To the ancient Hawaiians, an Aumakua was a deified ancestral guardian spirit, embodying the form of an animal to watch over their descendants. An Aumakua could manifest itself as a pueo (owl), shark, a sea turtle, an 'Io (hawk), or other animal. Aumakuas empower, guide, protect and inspire their descendants. Pueo is among the oldest of the Aumakua. She is often asked for advice in times of need.

>>29484760
>the prague golem is a symbol of mysticism and the supernatural
I agree that fairy and psychic would make sense since it's would be magic
but
>unliving clay being reanimated probably
that's a paradox
the clay couldn't be reanimated, it could only be animated
and the clay isn't unliving because that implies it could live without it being brought to life through magic

>>29484593
I admit I did use circular logic for the arrow thing, but I disagree with the arrow having nothing to do with ghosts. My argument is that a ghost possesses control over shadows and spirits as evidenced in the movepool. This can be seen in names and descriptions that you can easily look up yourself, especially since the ghost movepool is so shallow. In the trailer, the arrow is shown to be described as pinning the opponent's shadow to the ground. That's fucking supernatural in my book.

A ghost, by your definition, is a pokemon that controls its shape, can control shadows, is supernatural(does not follow laws of general physics), and does long range fighting imbued with spirit magic.
Roothoot3 can:
erase its presence in the world of pokemon with extremely good vision
produce arrows that are imbued with a shadowy presence that causes a supernatural effect of trapping an opponent's shadow

>>29484923
/thread

>>29484852
Yeah it's a Ghost typing purely because they wanted to give it a better typing than Grass/Flying. Not because anything about it screams Ghost. A lot of the typings in gen 7 are pretty bad actually but whatever.

>>29484823
Cradily not conveying rock is a weakness of the design. But Gamefreak did establish that fossils are just rock types, just like how they established that ghost types are non-solid, haunted or occult. Decidueye neither conveys ghost nor follows any ghost type convention established by Gamefreak.

>>29484869
at face value they are just a cluster seeds that look like eggs. The whole Telepathy thing wasn't even introduced in the game until Silver. guess where? in the dex

>>29484657
>>29484755
Honour is not a core trait of the fighting type, period.

The original fighting types:
a bodybuilder
a boxer
a kickboxer
a raging ape
what about this screams muh honour? literally nothing

fighting types only seem honourable by comparison to dark, not because there's something inherently honourable about the fighting type

fighting type is about phisical strength and usually incorporates real life fighting techniques, at most you could stretch it towards courage and valor.

please stop with the fighting is the honor/hero type meme
fuck you, it's actually the punching and kicking type

>>29484893
You're making it sound like they described Decidueye as being able to like... "phase" in and out of sight by saying it can "erase" its presence. The language used doesn't imply that at all. Also it's an extremely good archer. No shit. Why would they designed an archer pokemon and have it not be really good at it. That doesn't make it Ghost-type. Even being able to actively control where the arrows go, besides not feeling ghost-type at all more psychic-type without further explanation like, perhaps, spirit-guided arrows or something, is something Dartrix already developed the ability to do and it remained Grass/Flying.

>>29484374
To be fair, Decidueye's Japanese name is Juniper (pronounced as a mixture of juniper and sniper) so...it is a sniper. But I agree that it's not in an assassin sense

>>29484997
I said multiple times that it's not about face value, it's about rationale. You could still make that association based on the design alone. Even if it's not immediately obvious, it's still reasonable. You can reason it from the design.

There is a good reason no one even considered the possibility of grass/ghost based on the leaks.

>>29484869
There are more non-psychic pokemon with multiple heads than there are psychic pokemon with multiple heads, so it really doesn't make sense to say that it makes sense that it's psychic because of it's multiple heads

So what's the difference between exeggcute/exeggcutor and doduo line, as well as the deino line, combee, dugtrio, magneton, and binacle

>>29485004
I'd say fighting type is all about the technique. Its martial art.

sometimes I forget im arguing with teenagers who will try to justify every gamefreak move no matter what

>>29484546
Someone else who wanted Ghost/Flying Alolan Noctowl. You are my sibling from another set of parents

At least we have /A/ ghost owl. I still would have preferred A-Noctowl, assuming it didn't just turn grey with a round head

>>29484679
But it turns out that isn't what defines a ghost type. Don't feel bad, I understand why you would have thought that. But remember, one counter-example is all the negative needs. There wasn't a pattern, just the illusion of one. In fact, very few of the ghost types match what we have classically seen as ghost Pokemon. Seems like Gamefreak is broadening what have previously been narrow design spaces, I.e. Dragon, ghost, and fairy. What makes decidueye a ghost type is it's behavior and skillset (read supernatural abilities), an angle GF hadn't explored much before. There are numerous Pokemon whose typing is based on their magical powers not represented in their design, this was just rare with ghosts before gen 7.

>>29485004
I think it's more recent gens that have carried this idea. I think of Gallade, Lucario, the 4 musketeers, and Kommo-o.

>>29485073
That they arbitrarily decided other types took precedent. But again, all of those would be reasonable as psychic types. They would not be reasonable as ghosts, except maybe magneton as a haunted object. Decidueye does not make sense as ghost.

>>29485004
>a boxer
>a kickboxer
based on martial art film heroes

>a bodybuilder
whose pokedex entries show that it's a modest pokemon who tries hard at everything it does

>a raging ape
that never gives up in a fight
and gets even more upset if it loses
that's real honor right there

>>29485079
>sometimes I forget im arguing with teenagers who will try to justify their own headcannons no matter what

what constitutes a ghost type?
>live in shadowy places
>control shadows
>do supernatural things
>spooky
>can hide at will
??

>>29485154
Non-solid, haunted object or occult. Owl is none of these.

>>29485079
I just feel like there's some thematic basis that no one has picked up on yet. It has to be based on something that makes it Ghost-type. It COULD be Ghost because owls are supposed to be spooky but they would have SAID that in the blurb about it. I feel like maybe there's some sort of character or mythological figure or something that was associated with ghosts or spirits or something that had a bow and arrow that I dont know about. I think that's the biggest jarring thing to me. Primarina is a fairy tail mermaid/seal, Inceneroar is a heel/tiger. Both of those concepts accurately convey their typings to a T.

You forgot "Yes because it's likely based on an extinct species of owl and owls are also known for being silent, almost ghost like birds, inspiring many myths about them" and "Who the fuck cares" options

>>29485102
It wasn't just "rare". It literally hasn't happened before. It could be the case that you are right. But there's no need for totally disingenuous language.

>people butthurt about two ghost birds all in one gen

>>29485179
This. All this arguing semantics when the point right fucking here

>>29485119
>That they arbitrarily decided other types took precedent
over normal?
dugtrio was only one type
same with magneton until the second gen

There's no reason they couldn't have added psychic as a secondary type like the did with exeggcutor
And the reason they didn't was because multiple heads =/= psychic

If the exeggcute line makes sense as psychic, decidueye makes sense as ghost

>>29485179
>extinct species
Half the Pokemon in the dex are extinct species

>>29485073
exeggcute are based on yokai

>that never gives up in a fight
and gets even more upset if it loses
>that's real honor right there
no, that's resillience, stop trying so hard to make primeape seem more than an angry ball of rage

>scrafty is fighting/dark because... humm.... he is honorable by the day and dishonorable by night, y-yeah...

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>>29484992
Thanks for answering my questions. I think I got what I wanted, but I'm still not sure. Last question:

What do you like and dislike about each of these two Pokemon?

>>29485167
it's a haunted extinct animal

>>29485154
Pretty much just occult and shadowy (looks wise, "not hides in the shadows" shadowy but literally made of or appears like shadows, but I guess it extends to the former now as well).

>>29482619
Would you feel differently if he was purple?

>>29482773
The owl i agree with you, but pretty much everybody thought the cat was going to be fire/dark when litten was revealed.

>>29485127
>that never gives up in a fight
and gets even more upset if it loses
>that's real honor right there
no, that's resillience, stop trying so hard to make primeape seem more than an angry ball of rage

>scrafty is fighting/dark because... humm.... he is honorable by the day and dishonorable by night, y-yeah..

>>29485065
>A cluster of eggs makes sense as a psychic type when you really think about it
>Why is this magical time traveller a psychic type, it makes no sense

>>29485167
Owl is occult in the same way a purple bird, a flying robot, and a marowak on fire are

which is to say, it has nothing to do with design and is based on the lore behind the pokemon

>>29485167
how do you know?

kys

>>29485268
Not OP but yes actually. Or maybe closer to a purplish grey or something. I mean the only reason it looks grass really is that its green.

>>29485275
EXEGGCUTE IS BASED ON A YOKAI

>>29482726
Nah, it doesn't have anything to do with the evil type concept wise.

All the shadow and actual darkness moves are tied to the ghost type, a ghost owl actually makes more sense than one that fights with dirty tactics.

>>29485313
So it should be ghost a type then? :^)

>>29485167
See, this is the arbitrary pattern I'm talking about. Anon you replied to had a list of characteristics that were all valid. If anything, add yours to their list instead of replacing it. It's not autistic to have a preconceived notion of the necessary conditions for a conclusion, but it is autistic to stubbornly refuse to update your definitions/hypothesis/conclusion/arguments when you've been presented new information or in this case proven wrong

>>29485154
purple shapes with faces and sometimes other added bits.

these people would not be complaining if he was a bird shaped purple blob I guarantee it.

>>29485278
But there is no lore behind the owl that explains ghost-type. Oricorio summons and collects spirits, marowak visually represents death and has ghost fire, and golurk is explicitly the prague golem

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>>29485273
Hes fighting dark because hes a street hoodlum hence the ark typing and knows how to fight like a gangsta G homie.

Think how Riley from Boondocks would act like and fight except not shit at it.

>>29485343
Think OP is just someone who can't handle something different from his expectations and has to sperg out about it

>>29485167
Its behaviour evokes these, hence ghost type, its literally that simple

>>29485242
>based on yokai
So are gastly, weavile, and mawile

>no, that's resillience
Which is a large part of honor

Or did you forget that part about japanese culture where samurai literally killed themselves if they couldn't complete the mission their shogun/master gave them

>>29482619
>M-MUH GHOSTS

How about you just don't use it, you raging faglord?

>>29482959
So evil type, nope, it doesn't have anything to do with it.

>>29485258
Citation needed

Nothing in its design or dex implies haunting, and tons of pokemon are based on extinct animals.

>>29485230
>There's no reason they couldn't have added psychic
This is what we call a strawman, anon. I'm not arguing what types they could have added, I'm arguing what types are reasonable, and the hivemind makes psychic reasonable on exeggutor. There is no comparable element on decidueye that justifies its type.

>>29485256
Azumarill's fairy type is pretty arbitrary, but fairy type is in general. I tend to dislike blobby limbs also, I feel it would be just as cute with more detail.
Garchomp should have had sandy-brown as its secondary color, not bright red/yellow.

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>>29482619
>OP knows nothing about owls
>they are utterly silent hunters of the night, picking off their prey without ever making a sound
>omens of death in almost every culture in the world, or gatekeepers of the spirit world
>it's based on a bird that's extinct in hawaii
I agree it's weird that there's no flying, but hey ghosts don't fucking need flying because they are ghosts
I think this thing is fucking legit, I already thought it was legit, and now I just love everything about it.
Oh an btw op, that is the most badly constructed poll I've ever voted on

>>29485308
Honestly I can see where people are coming from, he really does look way different from all other ghosts but as other anons have pointed out the typing is more about the lore behind him this time and being a purple blob with a face like most other ghosts.

He's a ghost because he's a stealthy forest spirit sniper, not cause he looks spooky.

>>29485391
its behavior is totally nonspecific. Being a sharp eyed archer is definitely no ghost type at all (and Dartrix shows being able to control arrows isn't ghost-type either), and being silent and stealthy is not a trait totally unique to Decidueye and ghost types or owls in general, a

>>29485127
>based on martial art film heroes
why am I wasting time arguing with a retard. the whole jackie chan and bruce lee is a localization thing. they are not referenced at all on the japanese names. what kind of retard would even associate jackie chan with boxing. the japanese names refer to actual famous jap boxer and kickboxer

>>29485370
exactly, not because of some honour bullshit

Holy shit the autism is off the charts in this thread

>>29485365
Besides the hawaiian aspect, and the fact that in several cultures owls represent death, and the fact that certain owls kinda look like skulls, decidueye pins shadows to the ground
And in gen 6, ghost types are immune to shadow tag, an ability based around the same thing

>>29482619
How will this nigga do in UU? Spirit Shackle and Leaf Blade are for sure, but what coverage moves will it get? For status, strong chance it will get WoW, Roost, and Leech Seed

>>29485214
Hasn't happened yet=/= cannot happen, though. In this case, it has literally happened now. The definition of a ghost type has never been given to us by our primary source, so our definition of it needs to be subject to change as we get new information. This wasn't even the first time this generation with this type. Oricorio and marowak were criticized for being ghost Pokemon that weren't dead or haunted. It turns out what we thought were necessary conditions for being a ghost type were actually just sufficient ones. It's no different than updating the type chart or adding a new type. It's just updating the canon

>>29485447
But the problem is there IS no lore. Noctowl is an owl and encompasses all the traits of an owl including sharp eyesight and sneaking silently so just being that isn't enough to be Ghost-type, and it doesn't have any additional information like maybe having spirit arrows or being an omen of death or something in universe.

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>>29484040
Correction, dark pulse is EVIL Pulse, it has nothing to do with darkness.

>>29485365
bruh there's lots of lore about spooky owls. they represent death/spirits in many cultures, including Hawaii.

How is this not common knowledge that owls = spooky?

>>29485428
>I tend to dislike blobby limbs also, I feel it would be just as cute with more detail.
We unfortunately can't be friends, but thank you for giving me what I was looking for: A glimpse inside your head when it comes to Pokemon designs. You are OP after all and I needed to get a better understanding as to why you would say something so confusing such as "Decidueye should not have Ghost as its secondary typing".

Have fun answering other people's questions in this thread and in many others!

>>29485428
>This is what we call a strawman, anon
That's actually not a strawman

>I'm arguing what types are reasonable
Based on literally one example compared to at least 6 other examples of that not being the case
Obviously the hivemind aspect of it isn't why Exeggcute/tor is a psychic type

>There is no comparable element on decidueye that justifies its type
Obviously the fact that owls are silent and hard to see, like a shadow given any time of night, means it's reasonable that it's a ghost type

>>29485523
Oricorio and Marowak fall under Ghost-type just fine pre-Gen 7. Oricorio is described as being able to control spirits, and Marowak has a skull motif and an association with death in general on top of having blue-green spirit fire. They didn't break any convention. Ghosts have never been literally dead and not every Ghost-type is something haunted.

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>>29485428
>what do you like
Forgot this part.

Azumarill is cute. I like the implication that it needs massive strength to dive with such a buoyant body. I like the tail hammer as well.
I love Garchomp's sand shark motif, and the shark warplane elements since it's a shark dragon. It's a neat combination of themes rolled into a powerhouse monster.

>>29483034
"Sableye digs the ground with sharpened claws to find rocks that it eats. Substances in the eaten rocks crystallize and rise up to the Pokémon’s body surface. "

The closest Sableye gets to actually being paranormal is a rarely used dex entry about its eyes being said to steal souls, but with that reasoning then Drowzee and many others should also be ghost type because they have some creepy myths that get referenced a lot more

>>29485466
>they are not referenced at all on the japanese names
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadashi_Sawamura
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroyuki_Ebihara

>>29485597
>Azumarill is cute.
>I love Garchomp's sand shark motif, and the shark warplane elements since it's a shark dragon. It's a neat combination of themes rolled into a powerhouse monster.
I guess we can be aquaintances.

>>29485566
It is a strawman because you're arguing a point I didn't make to make it easier to attack.

The pokedex entry only proves my point. I said that the pokedex alone without a design isn't enough, but the pokedex relates directly to the design and confirms my interpretation.

Those traits apply to tons of Pokemon and do not constitute a ghost type.

>>29485542
I suppose thats right. Its more like a burst of the users darker thoughts and intentions given form.

>>29485552
>implying I'm OP

>>29485576
People literally made this thread and claimed those things when those Pokemon were revealed. So your personal definition was more inclusive than theirs were, it clearly wasn't inclusive enough. Add to your sufficient conditions "adept in shadow magic" "embodies the night somehow" and "has a ghost type signature move." It's as simple as that.

>>29485608
Ignoring that you literally just gave a dex entry that did so I'm so confused, it's what it IS. The hopkinsville goblin is a monster. I fucking hate when people do the "BY YOUR LOGIC HUR DUR" shit. That is so fucking stupid. Form a god damn argument instead of making a fucking strawman out of mine. It's such a fucking classic cop out argument that never fucking works and doesn't make any god damn sense so I wonder why people keep fucking doing it all over the fucking internet. When I say something I said what I said, not whatever the fuck you said. Could Drowzee have been Ghost? Sure, it could have been. But it wasn't. Oh well. But the cryptid basis is why Sableye is Ghost-type. I wasn't arguing about motherfucking Drowzee. I was talking about fucking ghost-types and Sableye.

>>29485466
>the japanese names refer to actual famous jap boxer and kickboxer
that's what I said you mongoloid retard. >>29485466
they are not based on film heroes

>>29485127
>based on martial art film heroes

I absolutely agree with OP in that it shouldn't be a ghost type, as it has nothing to do with any spirits gaining a non-living body (or not). "Spooky" is an aspect of dark types as well, even if ghosts make it a stronger theme due to being otherworldly spirits of some kind. And from what I can tell of the animations and design, it doesn't look THAT creepy or ghostly, even if it is silent in how it moves.

But what IS plainly visible from this design and animations is the flying bird aspect, being an owl that makes use of its wings to get around as well as attack. So by all means, as much as someone may try to justify the weird ghost label, it should absolutely be Flying type.

However, not only have I given up on trying to make sense of some of GF's creative decisions this gen, I also actually like this freakish curve ball that they threw out with Dicidueye. I like the Ghost typing, even though it doesn't make sense, and I'm sorta glad they did it.

I just wish they had used another animal for the grass ghost, that made more sense perhaps, and then made an actual ghost owl for another pokemon line.

>>29485744
People are fucking stupid. Big fucking shock. It doesn't change the fact that doing or being associated with something occult or supernatural has worked for every ghost-type before this one, and also makes sense with BEING CALLED ghost-type rather than just being associated with the night and stealth which could easily be dark or even psychic given more context.

>>29485699
>It is a strawman because you're arguing a point I didn't make to make it easier to attack.
The point you made was that it makes sense that exeggcute/tor has psychic typing because it has multiple heads or a "hivemind"
Maybe you didn't explicitly say multiple heads, but nowhere in the pokedex entries says that it has a hivemind or functions as a hivemind

>Its cries are very noisy. This is because each of the three heads thinks about whatever it likes.
>Each of the fruits is an independently-thinking head. It is said that if one drops off, it becomes an Exeggcute.
>Its three heads think independently. However, they are friendly and never appear to squabble.
>Its three heads think independently. However, they are friendly and never appear to squabble.

they actually say the exact opposite of what you're trying to prove

And multiple heads was mentioned in this specific reply chain, see >>29484869

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A ghost type bird, especially an owl, is a fantastic idea. It's never been done before and would fit an owl's theme nicely. Owls are spooky. HOWEVER, what bothers me is that Decidueye is NOT spooky whatsoever. He seems more inspired by the nerdy student stereotype we see in anime. This is especially made apparent when he's seen pushing up his glasses (a common anime trope). Really, his ghost typing seems more like an afterthought than anything. If they wanted him to look like a ghost they could have easily done so. I'm slightly upset that the possibility of a GENUNINELY spooky or traditional looking ghost type owl is almost impossible now. A barn owl would have been perfect for this.

we're here >>29485518
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