>it fucking heals burns

>implying it won't do double damage any time it heals a burn

I thought this was weird too.
Realistically, in what situation you want to heal a burn off an opponent? When he has Flame Orb/Guts?
I don't understand.

>>29467132
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You fucking wish poppfag.

>>29467132
Hex is still infinitely better than that trash.

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>>29466617
>I picked the owl and received almost every good thing
>but I started to feel sorry for Poppliofags after Brionne's reveal
>tfw I'm in the two sides right now

>>29467438
>damage mean look
>good
Incineroar got the only good one

>Owl and tigre get interesting and useful moves
>Mermaid Man gets shit

Glad I'm not using that thing.

>>29467438
>feeling sorry for poppliofags
Fuck off from /vp/.

>>29467481
"Damaging mean look" at least has uses.
As we understand it, Aria is entirely useless. Its worse than even something like heal pulse, because you would even have to damage your partner pokemon to heal its burn.

>>29466617
>water/fairy
ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR
DECIDUEYE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE OU STARTER

>>29467481
>physical ghost move that might not have shit power
>bad

Also just use Knock Off instead of Chunni Lariat.

>>29467557
Decidueye is already the most powerful grass starter ever though.

>>29467556
They both deserve no place in a game with four move slots
Why anyone would use Damage mean look instead of Shadow Tag or whatever other physical ghost move it gets is beyond me

>>29466617
Would be kind of useful to shut down Pokemon with Guts in double battles. One of your monsters Knocks Off the Flame Orb and then your other one heals the burn.

>>29467599
How?

>>29467593
It's probably gonna have 60BP or some bad shit like that

>>29467702
Because other physical ghost moves are shit. STAB Shadow Claw is only stronger than Return by 3 BP. That's how shit physical ghost moves are.

>>29467132
And does anyone use smellingsalts?

>>29467481
>not locking your counter to then switch in your counter's counter

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>>29467810
>HA is Technician

>>29467717
oooooor you could actually be efficient and spend those two attacks actually KOing the Guts user

we don't know if it's actually just like mean look
it may keep them from switching even if you leave

>>29467764
Spirit Shackle is a Shadow Tag that persists for the rest of the battle, the website confirms.

>>29466617
>It's a GF tries to balance something but end up making it shit episode
Sorry lads

>>29467277
If its a fairy type move, it could OHKO a burned conkledurr maybe

>>29467866
Where does the website confirm it

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>>29466617
eat shit furfags

>>29467811
>Return: 102 BP
>Shadow Claw: 70 BP with a high chance of do critical damage
Hey, Shadow Ball is only 10 BP higher than Shadow Claw and don't do critical, how does Shadow Claw don't see any use?

>>29466617
don't use it in a team, with which you burn enemy
problem solved

>>29467866
if this is actually what it is, then it's incredible

>>29467132
If it does, would a Scald combo see some use?

I mean nobody really uses Smellingsalts except ingame until something better comes along.

>>29467702
>why anyone wouldnt just use a team of 6 legendaries is beyond me

You fail to see the point. Water Shuriken is an underhwelming move in practice, but it doesnt usualyl have a place on a Greninja set. Thats ok, because water shuriken is a functioning move that has its limited uses.

This move, as we understad it, is literally useless. Its not simply outclassed, it doesnt seem to have a function. Im convinced we're all missing something huge that gamefreak failed to communicate.

>>29467935
Because STAB Shadow Ball is 120 BP. STAB Shadow Claw is 105 BP.

>>29466617
it's a sound-based water move

>>29467866
It doesn't confirm it lasts
It just says it prevents switching
It will 100% just be like Mean Look

You are aware you could just not run the move? Seriously, it's a bulky Water/Fairy, having a bad signature move doesn't condemn it to PU hell.

>>29467884
The only thing that'd make this move not shit is if it had a lot of power to offset that it heals burns. It'd need at least 100BP and accuracy for me to even consider using it.

>>29467975
An outclassed move might as well be useless because it will literally get no use

>>29468027
there is also a chance it just stops switching for x number of turns, which is more how I think it will work

>>29468027
>being delusional
Enjoy your shitty seal that has no moves and no offense and shit stats.

>>29467599
You're dumb.

>>29467764
In Decidueye fag's wet dreams.

>>29468075
Lol no
It will just be Mean Look, like the two other "stop switching" moves we have

>>29468074
It's tough to respond to a person who cant comprehend nuance.

>>29466617

because this is for doubles/triples with burned ally... and probably just for water absorb

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>>29468113
>Ice Beam
>Surf
>Moonblast/Dazzling Gleam
>whatever
Already better than Decidueye sorry
And we don't even know it's HA

>>29468043
A starter has to be really, really shit to be PU. And that's only really Meganium, although Torterra was kinda close.

>>29468043
>thinking /vp/ is intelligent enough to know that.

>>29468178
Good thing Primarina already fits the bill of being really, really shit.

>>29467974
If it gets Serene Grace, then it would be usefull agains special attackers, where the burn doesn't help much.

>>29468160
>ecause this is for doubles/triples with burned ally... and probably just for water absorb
do you know how INCREDIBLY niche this is

>>29468215
>Water/Fairy
>bulky
Lol in your dreams

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The water starter heals burns, and the fire starter is a burn heel!

>>29468215
>Water/Fairy

It's already better than Meganium by a mile. Water starters are also really consistent. Almost all of them are UU, while Greninja is Ubers and Samurott is NU.

>>29467277
>nerfs Burned Guts Conk/Champ
Its possible this was GFs thought behind it, and with how many options there are now to stop Priority, it feels like they're more competitively minded this gen.

>>29468264
It's massively outclassed by Tapu Fini and Azumarill however.

Considering Gamefreak's water bias Primarina will likely turn out to be the best starter and then everyone will take a huge U-turn and claim themselves to have been Primarina/Popplio's fans all along.

>>29468306
>Special tank being outclassed by a physical attacker
>outclassed by a legendary that will most likely be UU if it's any good

>>29468264
not him but fairies are usually bulky on the Sp.DEF side, so he might be half right

>>29468257

anon... VGC is only double vs double so as you can see... there may come strategy with this, just fucking wait...

>>29468346
I meant to say that it's water/fairy AND bulky
My bad

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>>29468267

>>29468124
I hope it lasts outside of the user switching just to watch it completely fuck the metagame for a week before it gets banned

>>29468306
I'm not entirely sure how good Tapu Fini will be. Immunity to ailments is really good, but at the same time it means it can't run Scald.

>>29468356
>there may come strategy with this
yes but this is niche as all hell
there's only 12 fully evolved pokemon that get water absorb, and you're planning on a strategy with one of those pokemon not only being used, but burned as well--instead of being killed outright, since many of the 12--around 7--are shitmon

>>29468477

maybe they will show us something interesting, who knows at this point

>>29468477
water absorb may even cancel the burn healing effect so ehhhhhhhhh

>>29468527
listen unless it's 400 water absorb pokemon it's not going to work out well in a doubles format

>>29468553

jesus christ we don't know anything at this point...

>>29468588
i know you're grasping at straws

>>29468527
The only potentially interesting thing is if it's strong as hell and accurate. Close Combat reduces defenses but has high power and accuracy, Brave Bird hits hard but has recoil. The only saving grace for this move is hitting hard and accurately, and there's no way they're gonna do that.

>>29468602

I'm just realistic, it may create combo with HA or any other shit, we don't know why they put it there
it may cause second burn stronger or shit

>>29467593
>implying it will get Knock Off

>>29468746
it might also cause you second degree burns in real life

face it with the facts we have now, shit doesn't look great--and if it made the second burn become stronger, that would hurt your doubles strategy even more

>>29468773
If this huge hamhands thing doesn't get Knock Off, I'll be surprised. Those hands were made for Knock Off.

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>>29466617
bet yours won't be healed tho

>>29468807
AAAAAAAYYYYYYY

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>>29468807

Aw'shit. that was great!

>>29468789

eh...why you are so retarded... we don't know ANYTHING wtf...

Still got s

scald
moon blast
ice beam
filler


All is well desu.

>>29468746
>realistic
>burn stronger
But I do agree that only doing damage + burn heal is pretty shit and non-intuitive for a kid playing the game.

I hope it is a smelling salt variant. 70 base damage on a 100% accuracy is not that bad, and getting it to 140 + burn heal is more realistic. What I like about this, is that the chances of it getting Serene Grace + Scald is higher.

>>29468807
OP HERE, GRAT POST MY DUDE LMAO

>>29468866
how am i the retarded one when you're basing your arguments on the unknown? the lack of evidence isn't evidence in itself

>>29468807
/thread

It's for healing burned partners that have water absorb, idiots

>>29468113
The fact that it's water/fairy already makes it better than the other starters, frankly. I'm picking the gay owl but Water is always the best starter

>>29468958

you literally doing the fucking same...

>>29469115
Then use Heal Bell you retard. Water absorb will also probably negate the move entirely and won't actually heal the burn.

>>29469115
oh that makes it so useful

>>29467702
Its super useful and if wre assume the owl has any set up moves, its great. They switch out hoping to stop you from setting up, you hit them for small damage and then can switch in knowing they have to stay in. Anything that eases prediction is useful.

>>29469450
It also means they can't double switch. Honestly, if it only has Shadow Claw BP it'll still be useful.

>>29469245
no, i'm using evidence based on what we HAVE (information of the move's listed effects, number of pokemon that have water absorb)

>>29467933

Ebin.

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>>29469615
stay mad sealfucker

>>29467896
Super Effective on Lycanroc and Aerodactyl in the trailers sooooo

>>29468307
Nah, Decidueye is the new Greninja. The "cool, sleek, antihero (ninja, assassin) mon that bonds with Ash". Incineroar and Primarina are the new Chesnaught and Delphox, forgotten forever because it's time to shill the frog/owl

>>29469981
Oh, really? So Ash has been spotted with Decidueye/Rowlett in the anime?

>>29467277
this.

what happens if Water Absorb ? is the burn still healed or is the move canceled ?

>>29466617
Just thought about a shitty gimmicky combo:

use it on your Water compaction Palossand in 2v2

>>29470103
Anime poster for SM season implies he's getting Rowlet.

>>29470103
I'm pretty sure that Kiawe has been seen with Litten, Lana with Popplio, and Mallow has only been shown with Bounsweet, meaning someone else uses Rowlet...so I'm pretty sure Ash gets him

>>29469731

Keep projecting, good sir.

>>29470282
You should look up what words mean before using them, my mate mindful of marine mammilian marriage

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>there are people on this board who are so obsessed with hating Primarina that they want it to suck out of spite

wew

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>running Blaze Kick on Blaziken
>running Muddy Water on Swampert
>running Leaf Blade on Sceptile
>running Heat Crash on Emboar
>running Razor Shell on Samurott
>running Leaf Tornado on Sceptile
>running Mystical Fire on Delphox
>running Water Shuriken on Greninja
>running Sparkling Aria on Primarina

>>29470830
To be fair, Leaf Blade was good on Sceptile once.

>>29469981
God I really don't want another Greninja.
The shilling made Lucario blush.

>>29469789
It could be water/fairy like flying press is flying/fighting because Luchalitten's signature move was SE against alolan raichu and had fire effects

>>29467481
>Dark-type Chip Away
>good

>>29470764
Considering that the alternative would be a future of cancer where Poppliofags never got their comeuppance, you should want Primarina to suck if you have any sense of morality.

>>29467438
Enjoy your nonsensical typing and shit name.

>>29471266
Sure, it's about "morality" and not a combination of salt and autism.

>>29471266

Not everyone has autistic rage of Primarina like you. Sorry, bud.

>>29466617
Poppamaid has a move that acts as both reflect and light screen at the same time

Poppamaids signature move can heal burns, which is used fairly often in online battles to knock a Pokemon's attack and hurt them every turn

Poppamaid will be able to learn surf and dazzling gleam, moves that can attack both opposing Pokemon in a double battle

Poppimaid is for double battles.

>>29467896
Pokemon website says it's water type.
The other two starter's moves are ghost and dark though.

>>29471299
^

>>29470830
>running Leaf Blade on Sceptile
Leaf Blade is a staple on semi-viable SD sets. Also what >>29470889 said as Grass used to be special.
>running Water Shuriken on Greninja
Water Shuriken is special now. So it will have some use.

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>>29466617
Even if it is shit move, she can still learn Surf, Ice Beam, Moonblast and [/spoiler]Scald.

It's obviously for doubles you dipshits

>>29472343
>damage your teammate to cure them and only them
Heal Bell, but worse!

>>29467974
Seems a bit counter productive, especially if your opponent's Pokémon manage to survive and attacks you.
>>29468216
If it got that ability running it with Scald alone would be pretty nice.
It could function an improved Suicune if it got the stats for that.

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>>29466617
How exactly is this a bad thing?

pic related

>>29472552
Wouldn't it just get burned again at the same turn?

It might have a ridiculous bp

>>29472732
yes, though if you're faster they at least don't have buffed attack for that one turn but it's still pretty pointless when you could just KO them with a fairy move

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It heals burns so if you chaff while screwing it too long you can continue.

>>29471369
Except we don't know that it gets Aurora Veil.

>>29470764
>Out of spite
Looks like Poppliomaidfags are now the ones in denial

>>29473793

Not sure what your point is.

>>29470830
>not running Leaf Tornado on Contrarian Serperior

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>double damage to burns
>hidden ability: serene grace

I want to believe

>>29467935
>physical ghosts

Nice meme

>>29468172
>Serferior
don't do this pls

>>29467896
if it's part fairy, why not just use a fairy move??

>>29468297
>nerfs Burned Guts Conk/Champ
okay but wouldn't the orb reactivate at the end of the turn still?

and i don't think the two needs nerfing, really

>>29473793
Your point?

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>>29475951
Yes, but those two are slower than piss, so she'd be able to rob them of their Burn just long enough to deny them the Guts boost.

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>>29476731
>so she'd be able to rob them of their Burn just long enough to deny them the Guts boost.
does it matter when she can just fire off a SE Fairy move?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>29476823
It does if it somehow doesn't one-hit KO them.

>>29477046
So instead of firing a second fairy move, you'd rather remove their Burn stats? Gutschamp isn't even that common anymore?

>>29466617
Why is /vp/ so retarded?
Did any of you consider the posibility that curing burns isn't the main selling, but rather a downside meant to ballance a move that would otherwise be too powerful?

>>29470830
Razor Shell is pretty decent on physical Samurott.

>>29477359
we have no idea what the move's base power is. we only know that it removes a beneficial status condition for primarina's user. that is pretty bad, viewed in a vaccum.

>>29477359
In their defense Gamefreak didn't really show the BP of the move and Gamefreak has also done far worse before.

>>29466617
Everyone's giving pretty viable answers as to why it heals your opponent's Burn.

Almost no one uses signature moves though, unless they're Water Spout or King's Shield. Why is this a problem again?

>>29477376
Its kind of shitty when a pokémon signature move can be put to better use by other pokémon.

>>29466617
OP, they make shitty moves all the time. There's hundred others to choose from.

>>29477359
This is GF we're talking about. Healing burns isn't a nerf to them, they don't care about singles. This is a move meant for doubles that heals your teammate's burn but deals damage. In other words it's a shit move no one will use that is themed for the mermaid because feminine design = support mon.

Signature moves are always shit anyway. Only Gen 3 had decent ones.

Inb4 Primarina is a niche doubles cleric that only works on water absorb mons

What the hell at all these threads about this move. Does anyone care at all? This is just shitposting for the sake of shitposting. What about all these signature moves that no one uses? Are you forced to use this signature move?
Plus we already know that they have another move

>>29466617
>designed as a female in every possible way but is a male
>is even fairy type as a joke
>shitty worthless signature move while other moves exist
>will likely have an equally shitty ability
>probably won't even learn Aurora Veil/Moonblast
Did GF design this pokemon to take the piss out of gayfags? Because it sure seems like it. Face it Poppfags, GF hates your pokemon and literally put it in there to be useless. Don't be surprised when it has the most garbage spread possible.

>>29466617
Tbh Im okay with this, it means that there's a high chance of it getting more healing moves and even recovery, which is what I was most people was expecting.
Water/Fairy is the best typing by far and I love the official name too.

>>29477903
>Thinking Gamefreak made Primarina fairy type just because/ a joke

Being this retarded.

>>29477982
which I was, and most people, expecting for*
wew

>>29474621
I want you to google what Leaf Tornado does, then come back with a 50 word apology to me.

>>29477458
>>29477492
>>29477677
The japanese trailer shows it hitting an aerodactyl dealing heavy damage (possible OHKO). Earlier some other anon calculated that the attack has to have at least 80 bp to cause that much damage (assuming a special attack of 105).
If the move was meant to be used on allies, would the trailer not showcase it in that context?

>>29478073
Don't we only know the level of Aerodactyl being 54? That said, if it's basically special Earthquake except with a downside, I'd say it might be worth using. If it's stronger, it's definitely worth using. Otherwise, just use Scald.

>>29478073
I hope you're right because Popplio/Primarina gets enough shit already.

There has to be a connection not yet realized.

This gen must be gearing up to introduce some tricks with the burn status otherwise I don't really see the point.

>>29477846
>Plus we already know that they have another move
[citation needed]
We only guessed that those moves were the starter's signatures, it's possible that they're the new TMs.

>>29477903
>likely
>probably
>thinking a signature move is an indication of anything

You're really reaching, friend.

>>29478213
>>29478242
Primarina is a singer and the move has aria in it's name. I'd say there's a good chance that the move is sound based. If i had to guess, i'd say we are talking about a water type hyper voice with a slight downside.

>>29478073
>>29478213
>>29478302
Yeah I'm thinking it might be
>strong move but with a downside
or
>like smellingsalts, etc

Or all of them are shit. There's a chance this move could be like 80BP 90 acc. There's a chance the mean look move is 40BP or some shit, and the other one is already pretty bad.

What I'm interested in is the datamined moves.

They might be postgame sigs like Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant, etc.

>>29478393
Hyper voice isn't anything special without the -ate skills though. It'd basically be a downgraded Surf. I guess it might not matter in the long run, I just wish there were more good signature moves.

>>29478242
Man it's a special-oriented cleric fairy/water pokemon, patience, I think it's going pretty good.

>>29466617
Scald heals frozen.

>>29478466
Being able to shit on substitute users wouldn't be a bad quality for a bulky water type.

Everyone is misinterpreting this.

It healing burn is a negative side effect to make up for it being stronger than it should be.

It's probably greater than 90 potency

>>29478665
I don't think it'd be worth taking Scald out for that though.

>>29466617
None of the sig moves are hugely useful, this is just something to inject a little tandem-play usage in doubles and whatnot.
I mean, when are you really gonna be running through shit with lariat and spirit shackle anyway? Unless they have a high-as-fuck base. In which case, wouldn't Aria have one, too, and be good on that merit?

Watch her have serene grace as a hidden ability. Then teach her scald and GG.

>>29477566
If other non-Smeargle Pokemon get it then it's not a signature move.

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I'm not sure if this has been brought up today, but does anyone think they are going to make Ghost super effective on Fairy this gen?

>nerfs fairies
>boosts ghosts
>creates a double starter type effectiveness triangle

I know this might not be the right thread but its mostly shitposting anyways

>>29479222
The datamine proved that there's no changes to types.

>>29479222
Or they could just buff Poison.

>>29479222
I hope not, that'd be the most retarded way possible to nerf fairy seeing as ghost really doesn't need that kind of buff compared to say, bug, normal, or psychic.

>>29467866
instantly banned

>>29479269
okay well that ends that, thanks

>>29479297
its not like gamefreak hasn't made bad decisions before

>>29467599
He's Philippine?

Primarina and dry skin Jynx in doubles? is this at all workable?

>>29466617
Part of me feels like it's going to be able to learn heal bell or something like that and I have no idea why you would heal an opponent...

My immediately thought was double battles and healing an ally, but what do I know?

>>29479972
Why would you want to burn your Jynx in first place? Its not like Jynx would suffer from burn anyway