ITT: We post Pokémon who fell from grace.

>>29436801
Don't care. Easily my favorite frogmon.

How did Politoed fell from grace!?

>>29436801
You first.

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>>29436817
No infinite rain anymore, though Pic Related would be a bit better

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>>29436808
>year 1956+60
>still no frog pokemon

Why even live?

>>29436816
Weather significantly less usefull due to the time limit.

Primals now take the Weather-mon slots.

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Not exactly a fall from grace per say, more of a case of being stuck in purgatory, but still, it hurts.

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>>29436831
giving politoed and ninetales drizzle and drought might be the biggest mistake the devs ever made, i mean even they realised how batshit retarded it was and backtracked like fuck in gen 6 with the nerf

>>29436837
>>29436846
Primals are only important on VGC16 and that's leaving forever soon.

Politoed is still the one and only Rain setter. He's still perfectly good and most certainly a necessity for such teams.

>>29436874
perma bl suicide bird :(

all they had to do was make it flying/fighting and give it like 5 more base speed

>OU gens 1-5
>suddenly RU
What happened?

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>>29436975
Forgot image.

>>29436874
>>29436900
He might finally drop to UU soon, probably in SM

>>29436987
Outclassed by everyone and their mom.

>>29436975
Sylveon happened.

>>29436987
like all eeveelutions - shit tier movepool, and mono typing is always worse than dual (especially for offensive mons) unless you're comparing something amazing like water with something awful like bug/flying

it only hung on for so long because that stat spread is GOAT

Will this be the gen that drops Starmie to UU?

>>29437059
I thought it already was knocked out of OU this gen. When Greninja and Aegislash were allowed.

I'm amazed that folks forgot about Snorlax, after Tauros Snorlax fall from grace is among the hardest in this franchise.

>>29437147
snorlax is still pretty ok though
i mean its not god of a generation anymore but its not rotting in nu either

>>29436801
Politoed is still high tier in doubles.

>>29436831
Ninetails is indeed pretty ass now but Ninetails A has a good offensive typing, if it gets a favorable stats shift it will be good.

>>29436837
Tauros didn't even really fall, the only nerf he took was the hyper beam recharge change. He's just remained around the same level of power while the meta got away from him.

>>29436841
Golem was only a thing in RBY because of Zapdos. It wasn't particularly good even in gen 1, it was just one of the two least worse options to prevent Zapdos from effortlessly sweeping you.

>>29436987
Specs Jolteon is still good as a lead/pivot in battlespot. It really needs a grass or ice coverage move though so it can use its hidden power on the other one.

>>29437026
Sylveon doesn't really compete with Jolteon, two completely different pokemon. Sylveon is slow and tanky, Jolteon is fast and frail. It fell off because 110 sp. atk isn't what it used to be especially with its relatively limited coverage options. When the 'staple' set for your pokemon is two electric moves, a hidden power and then either shadow ball or signal beam you know it has movepool problems.

Anyways Snorlax is probably the most powercrept pokemon out there atm. It fell off a bit in gen 3 but just plummeted in gen 4 as fighting type became more common coverage and had better moves, and its once amazing defenses just couldn't stack up without reliable recovery.

>>29437291
>Tauros didn't even really fall, the only nerf he took was the hyper beam recharge change. He's just remained around the same level of power while the meta got away from him.

gen 1 tauros with blizzard was the best ice type pokemon of all time

>>29437076
Yeah, Starmie is only OU because smogon banned the things that sent it to UU. In battlespot Starmie is pretty garbage now.

>>29437335
Was Dusknoir ever good?

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>>29436808
>>29436845
But best line is tadpole/frogs. I like politoed but I guess it feels weird, though I suppose the same is said for tadpoles becoming actual frogs.

>>29437345
People used him in early gen 4 OU as a spinblocker. He fell off by the time Platinum hit though.

>>29436987

I run one on my team with focus sash.

>Yawn
>Thunder Wave
>Thunderbolt
>Sub

Is great for shitting on and spreading status, specially if you gety a free turn on a switch to sub, then yawning, forcing the other guy to either swtich next turn or get his pokémon asleep, great for mindgames, has carried me through many battles.

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>>29437345
He was OU in gen 4 and RU in 5
I think the knock off buff hurt him a lot

>>29437321
the special split also reduced his spa from a useable 70 to a paltry 40
if it was still 70 hed be a really good mixed sheer force mon and probably in a higher tier than he is now

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>>29437379
Isn't eviolite dusclopes considered better now?

>>29437379
Knock Off was buffed in gen 6.

>>29437345
gen iv doubles he was the demigod of trick room

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RIP

>>29437390
Knock off shuts down dusclops

>>29437291
>Golem was only a thing in RBY because of Zapdos. It wasn't particularly good even in gen 1, it was just one of the two least worse options to prevent Zapdos from effortlessly sweeping you.

Normal types were very overpowered, and Rock types were the only thing that could wall them. Fighting types were complete shit and had no moves, so Golem only had to worry about water, grass (shit as well) and earthquake. Explosion halved defense so it was very OP, Golem could OHKO pretty much anything bar other rock types that resisted it.

>>29437452
>only had to worry about water, grass and earthquake

you forgot fucking 90acc blizzard that literally everything had access to that would absolutely destroy him due to his low special.

>>29436975
Weighted stats, he was always a shitmon, now the shitters spamming it don't matter in the usage count anymore

>>29437494
What is Sturdy?

>>29437411
Coil hypnosis shenanigans are just getting good, slap hydro pump and or blizzard on it and have some fun.

lmao at rby golem not being good

what is better than it exactly besides the power 4 (tauros chansey snorlax exegg for the uninitiated) and starzam?

jynx is a lead so they aren't directly comparable but i'd say they're about the same level. gengar is also a lead but way more situational. zapdos is specifically not as good as/ better than golem BECAUSE of golem. and it's been well established for years that golem wins the rhydon/golem war. and nothing else in rby even comes close

golem is at the very least a top 10 rby mon to anyone who knows anything about the meta

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>>29437557
>Gen 1
>Sturdy

>>29437494
You're right, but once Golem was out against anything without Blizzard he'd explode and there's nothing you could do about it.

>>29437557
This retard is not me.

>>29437563
One of two Pokemon with the attack to abuse stab rock slide, rhydon being the other (don't pretend Onix could make much use of it). Even my favorite, Aerodactyl couldn't learn stab rock slide. At least my home boy primeape could use it as flying coverage, but really it was distributed like garbage in GEN 1

>>29436886
Yeah, but who the hell plays vgc?

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>>29437291
>doubles

>>29437563
This. Every team needed Golem or Rhydon, and Golem was just better.

>>29437557
what is gen 1

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>>29437563
I'm not arguing it wasn't top 10, I'm arguing that it had a niche role in the meta and when that niche role disappeared in GSC he fell off into oblivion. Golem was a least-worst option.

>>29437757
every best option is a "least worst option" nigger that's what makes a good thing good

>>29437712
He's not terrible but better walls came into existence. Far from terrible when bugs like ledian exist.