Defend this.

95.

>>29353890
>dragon/water
>dragon dance
>a monster in rain
>or fuck you up with sniper crit shenanigans
flygon is the one that actually got the rough deal

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>>29353890
Poliwrath says hello

It was good in Gen 2, but not so much these days. Still not completely useless or NU material, though, it got some nice moves.

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>>29353919
>gen 6 rain

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>>29353890
Only if you defend these

Kingdra ain't even that bad, not everything can be top tier OU. These however are unforgivable

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>the average pokemon BST of gen 2 is 466

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>>29353966
Poliwrath, Golduck, and Dewgong? Sorry anon but I can't defend them, they're all shit tier.

I mean fuck, Dewgong was a shittier version of Lapras since the beginning.

>>29353991
Does this include unevolved mons?
It's even lower for gen 1.

>>29354075
With both evolved and unevolved, gen 2's average BST is lower than gen 1's.
Gen 2 has the lowest average BST of any gen.
Not surprising considering the gen is 90% single stage shitmons.

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Defend this.

>>29354151
That doesn't sound right, the highest BST in gen 1 was 590 with the next highest being 500

>>29354151
Gen 2 is basically compilation of rejected mons that got retconned in Gen 1

>>29354179
Ledian?
I can't
most of gen 2 is shitmons even GF forgot

>>29354193
We're talking averages.
Gen 2 was full of abortions like ariados, qwilfish and ledian which had smaller BSTs than your penis.
Gen 1: 480.09
Gen 2: 472.02
Gen 3: 477.62
Gen 4: 521.29
Gen 5: 516.7
Gen 6: 524.91

>>29353924
Use him in tripples, senpai.

>>29354151
>scizor
>ttar
>heracross
>skarmory
>blissey
>crobat
>azumarill

gen2 ain't doing too bad now. plus they realised how much they fucked up in gen 4 and made stuff like weavile, mamoswine, gliscor

but yea it was awful at the time

Speaking of which, why do Stantler even exist?

>>29354222
>smaller BSTs than your penis.
That's pretty fucking small, anon

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>>29354179

>>29354229
Both Scizor and Heracross weren't usable until gen 4.
Azumarill was terrible until gen 6.

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LOL

>>29353890
> had one weakness in gen2
> said weakness had next to no distribution
> later on its only other weakness is fairy
> its faster than basically every fairy and learns Flash Cannon
Kingdra's p good for a non-pseudo dragon

>>29354151
Yeah, but then Gen II has a bunch of mons in OU, like T-Tar, Azu, Raikou, Scizor, Skarmory, and formerly Blissey and Forretress. So stick your average BSTs up your ass.

>>29354179
Ledian is definitely the shittest shitmon of all time. Like it's not even usable in-game. How do you even make something that isn't usable in-game? You can't even excuse it as a jokemon like Luvdisc or Unown

>>29354258
Smogonbird?

>>29353947
>He still can't use rain without gen 5 easy mode

>>29354229
> gen4 saved Sneasel from being a worthless shitmon
wtf I love gen4 now

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>>29354258
HA

>>29354280
it's swellow

who really insn't that bad compared to stuff like fearow, unfezant, and noctowl. guts facade HURTS yo

>>29354258
Oh Swellow, you poor,poor thing.

>>29354280
Swellow, me thinks.

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>>29354267
A lot of those were incredibly mediocre until gen 4 movepool additions saved them.
T-Tar and Skarm are the only consistently OU gen 2 mons.

>>29354273
> bug/flying
> highest stat is defensive
jesus h balls how did gf fuck up this badly

>>29354258
That stat spread is pretty good by itself, just the total is too low and the mon would rather be a special attacker or at least have some physical coverage.

>>29354248
you're not wrong about scizor and azu, but wtf are you on about with hera? it was ok in gen 2 and fucking great in gen 3, in fact gen 4 was the first time it dropped out of ou

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>even the gen 2 cover legendaries are shit in ubers

>>29354333
Mate, I want you to look at Heracross's gen 2 movepool and tell me that with a straight face.

29354334
0/10 no (U) 4U

>>29354328
>That stat spread is pretty good by itself
It gets ohko'd by most priority move users

>>29354222
There were literally three pokemon of 500 or over in gen 1, I call bullshit.

>>29354319
Wait, only two consistent OU mons? God, that sounds like another gen, one with 151 mons, one with only Gengar and Starmie sticking around? God, I'm really trying here. I don't know what Gen I''m thinking of though.

>>29354376
We're talking about updated BSTs, not the original BSTs before the special split.

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dat stat distribution

>>29353890
Still better than Glalie

>>29354376
Anon, please don't be this stupid

252+ SpA Choice Specs Unown Hidden Power Rock vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ledian: 200-236 (63.6 - 75.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>29354334
Wasnt Ho oh decent in ubers with the help of magic bounce/defog?

>>29354376
thats before special split dude, there's at least 20 pokemon over 500 BST in gen 1 after the special split

>>29354376
>starters
>poliwrath
>machamp
>dragonite
>mozart
>mew and two
>arcanine
>ninetales
>cloyster
>gengar
>snorlax
>tentacruel
>aerodactyl
>exeggutor
>starmie
>scyther
>pinsir
>lapras
>gyarados
>eevees
>muk
>rapidash
Huh?

>>29354300
Poor Pelipper. At least it's a great HM slave

>>29354354
>endure
>reversal
>megahorn
>earthquake
done

>>29354306
Thanks for reminding me how shitty Fearow is. I hoped to use one in SM, but unless it was given Sniper as a regular ability and maybe some better moves, it's going to be a dead weight. FUCK.

>>29354334
>>29354429

| 8 | Ho-Oh | 16.27629% | 83634 | 6.496% | 55549 | 6.585% |

yea, so shit in ubers lmao

>>29354414
> there are still no physical fire moves that dont cause flareon to kill itself with its use
Forever worst eevee despite being cute and fluffy ;_;7

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>>29354447
>using reversal when your name isn't Dugtrio or Sawk

>>29354411
There is a very good reason pre-split stats should be used.

>>29354334
m8 ho-oh is one of the most terrifying pokemon in the game, 4x SR weakness and low speed are the only things keeping it in check and it's still a monster

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>

>>29354360
So does Weavile, but that doesn't stop it from being a great revenge killer and holepuncher in one. Swellow literally only needs +10 in HP and Defense to survive all priority attacks up to Sharp Beak Jolly Talonflame's Brave Bird.

>>29354472
in gen two, yes

>>29354472
>dugtrio or sawk
>gen 2
stop posting anytime
and before you say "HURRR DUGTRIO IS GEN 1 THOUGH", it didn't get reversal in gen 2

>>29354486
I actually don't recognise this

looks like Cacturne but even worse. Shiftry?

>>29354484

It's not even a fair comparison if you're using pre-split stats for one gen while using post-split for every other gen.
There is absolutely no reason to use pre-split stats.

>>29354524
Yes there is, it makes Johto look less shitty.

>>29354414
20 years on, still one of the most retarded of all time

is 110 SpD the troll amount? Ledian has it too

>>29354525
It's quite good in RU, son.

>>29354525
That's not bad, though. Druddigon is perfectly serviceable with the tools it was given.

>>29354506
>>29354509
Heracross had to use reversal because it was the only fighting move it learned in gen 2 outside of fucking rock smash and counter.
That doesn't mean it's a good move for it then or now.
Heracross had a borderline nonexistent movepool in gen 2.

>>29354552
the poor bastard can barely even use sheer force

>>29353890
>has access to a goo special move pool
>physical move pool is limite to waterfall and outrage
>learns dragon drance

Poor Flygon, so close to being usable, only to be shit on at every turn.

>>29354525
>90 base Def and SDef
>can have Rough Skin
It's pretty good discount Garchomp

>>29354516
>Cacturne
>Shiftry
You can tell by the colour of the box and the colour of the border that it's a mono-Poison type.
For gen 3, the only possibilities are Swalot and Seviper.

Swalot has 9 BST more, but it's honestly even worse than Seviper.

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>>29354543
You might be on to something.

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>the highest HP stat of any bug type is 85

>>29354222
>powercreep isn't real they said.

>>29354612
Hypno?

>>29354625
look at the colors
it's a poison type

>>29354605
Grumpig, one of the most forgettable mons out there.

Power Creep happens because of updated movepools and stat distribution. Not specifically BST.
The only reason some gens have much higher average BST is because later gens have a lot more legendaries.
Earlier gens were just terrible at distributing stats properly.

>>29354612
Swalot

>>29354610
Is that Yanmega or Genesect?

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>tfw these are my bro's stats
wtf gamefreak

>>29354414
If they make a non recoil physical fire move that non kicking and punching pokemon can learn I'd slap an assault vest on this little fucker and try to make it's dreams come true.

>>29354222
Gen 4 had a bunch of cross-evos.
Gen 5 had a shitton of legendaries.
Gen 6 had Megas.
Gen 7 is going to depend if UB's BST.

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>>29354610
Not anymore.

>>29353991
Johto is for Comfy___, not competitive

>>29354525
>assault vest druddigon with sheer force

Why does it have so few moves to abuse it's ability with? I feel like GF give them an ability based on the pokemon without looking at the movepool.

>>29354646
ding ding ding
he is overshadowed by NFE Grass types as a defensive mon in the lowest tier possible

>>29354665
Chimecho?

>>29354665
>he likes Mr Mime
You deserve to suffer

>>29354665
Nigga 90 speed and 100 special attack with a serviceable defense ain't all bad

But yeah what the fuck

>>29354642
More legendaries are not solely responsible for this >>29354222 leap

It's a 40-50 point average difference between early gens and more recent gens. You're right that improved distribution etc plays the biggest role, but the raw stat totals have increased as well.

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I've got 99 problems but BST ain't one of them.

>>29354697
>using redditpod

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>>29354710
>Literal box-art legends BST
>PU because of its ability
I don't know if I should laugh or cry

>>29354710
IDK if that's Slaking or Regigigas but Truant and Slow Start are definitely the worst idea for 'balancing' abilities of all time

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yes, I would like my defensive bug/flying pokemon to not have the stats it actually needs to actually do anything.

>>29354334
>hi i'm in elo hell

>>29354726
this is Yanmega

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hahahhaaha..

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>>29354605
Close enough right?

>>29354701
Aerodactyl gets Rock Head even though his only recoil move is Take Down, you tell me

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>>29354610
Lying bastard.

>>29354740
I-it's good with Bulk Up!

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WHAT WENT WRONG

>>29354717
Is this the "Redditgahara" of /vp/?

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>nice, so i'm gonna be like a physical version of chansey right?
>so what's my type guys?
>....guys?

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>the pokemon with these great stats + GOODdragondance is garbage because he effectively has no ability and his movepool is so bad he has to use return as coverage

>>29354783
Team preview

>>29354783
Weak movepool,no good boosting moves, and speed creep.

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>not a single stat breaks the 100 mark

95 speed, shit defenses, low BP moves

>>29354731
Screw you, Slow Start is a cool concept

Truant and Defeatist are the worst ones

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Try this.

>>29354783
Even in DP you were shit, it was a running joke that you had no business being in OU

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>>29354717
>tfw Wimpod will now forever be associated with Reddit

>>29354829
The greatest starter design ever

>>29354844
At least it isn't redditcanine

>>29354832
b-but muh gyaravire!!!

>>29354824
>completely useless for 5 turns

nigga pls, it should seriously just half the speed like the name suggests, or last a lot less time

plus isn't he one of the only pokemon in the game that can't learn protect? fucking jokers

>>29354844
Not really. Just dont take a meme banter too seriously

>>29354829
>stats literally made for shell smash
>doesn't get it
loving every laugh

>>29354829
>Have a Pokemon with a samurai theme
>Put emphasis on swords and hand to hand combat with his learnable moves
>Give it a higher special attack than physical
Awful.

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Defend this garbage

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>>29354717
>redditpod
Please end this stupid fucking meme, it doesn't even make any sense.

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Half-arceus

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>The happy sunflower has higher SpA than the angry treeyeti

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You have 10 seconds to name a single good ice type.

>>29354936
weavile

>>29354936
Weavile

>>29354936
Kyurem

>>29354936
greninja

>>29354450
Fearow gets Drill Run, but doesn't Dodrio also get that in addition to being an all-around better bird?

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>prankster
>decent supportive movepool
>has ways of dealing direct damage without using offensive stats
>gets a huge boost to its attack anyways despite having a shit offensive movepool
>

>>29354946
>>29354945
>>29354952
I said good
>>29354960
Literally dies to Skuntank

>>29354870
>what is wide guard
>what is endure
>what is rest
>what is baton pass setup
Git gud

>>29354936
Obamasnow

>>29354880
>design literally associated with shells
>stats literally made for shell smash
>doesn't get it

>>29354988
Yeah, Weavile is good

>>29354997
lmao at this pathetically weak b8

2/10 made me respond

>>29354988
>implying Kyurem is not good

>>29354224
he, he will be Ko'ed 3 times faster!

>>29355010
If it's so good then why is it used less than Crawdaunt?

How the fuck do you turbo autists instantly recognize a pokemon just by its stat block alone

>>29354936
Alolan Ninetales.

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>>29354334
t. fagstag user

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defend this

>>29354997
>what is rest
Something it doesn't get.

>>29355066
they fucking google the BST you fucking idiot

>>29355060
because you don't play OU

>>29355066
Type borders you retard.

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>>29354988
>Weavile
>Kyurem
>not good
You probably think Mamoswine is not good either. Even >>29355000 is great if you know how to play it (mostly Doubles).

>>29355038
kyurem is pretty awful in the only formats it's allowed in

>>29355060

| 20 | Weavile | 9.67884% | 574114 | 9.177% | 408800 | 8.885% |
| 59 | Crawdaunt | 2.40731% | 89405 | 1.429% | 64749 | 1.407% |

also crawdaunt isn't even bad

>70 Sp.A
>80 Sp. D
>Learn Rapid Spin

>>29354814
>Still UU

>>29355082
That's a lot of effort to basically shitpost "but this move and this held item" and then go to the next one.

>>29355088
Definitely not enough information.

>>29355076
Eviolite :^)

>>29354966
I don't think Dodrio's in the Alola dex, anon. But that's besides the point, I just wanted to use Fearow since it's my favourite birdmon design and we're not getting a Steel/flying Pikipek evolution.

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>can win a game with a single dragon dance
>too frail to ever pull it off
Guess the pokemon

>>29355112
>That's a lot of effort to basically shitpost
Welcome to the Internet.

>>29355112
are you mentally ill it takes a fucking minute

>>29355105
Actually it's BL2

>>29355137
Haxorus?

>>29354906
Luvdisc?

>>29354697
stat is out already?

>>29355165
You can't even be bothered to punctuate and capitalize, and you expect someone else to type in all that shit just to know who to shitpost about?

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>>29355171

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Leave OU to me

>>29355254
Azu

>>29355254
you could say with stats like that it has some huge power.

Fairly well rounded stats that give it various uses through EV/nature spread.

Albeit it probably won't stand up to the top tiers. It'll do well in whatever tier its in.

>>29355254
Dank

>>29355050
>>29355050
Team him with greninja and politoed.
Have Swift swim and drizzle
Mat block-frost breath-belly drum
Guarantees to kill anything that isn't max Def and Hp Giratina.

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>gets a good signature move
>gets one of the best boosting moves in the game
>gets the HIGHEST BP STAB move in the game with no drawbacks
can there be a more JUST Pokemon?

>>29355254
It's effectively 520 tho, since it has the equivalent of 150 base attack...

>>29355324
>frost-breath

>>29355181
Exactly, the shitmon with the lowest BST that can't evolve

>>29355374
And it's still better than Delibird.

>>29355332
At least it's got a niche to work with. A lot of stuff doesn't even get that.

>>29354179
>35 Atk
>Iron Fist
I think there was supposed to be some kind of joke there, but the meaning of it is lost to me.

>>29355373
Damn, meant icy wind

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>>29355374
>that can't evolve
NEVER FORGET

>Even if it had a mega with +200 BST, it wouldn't break 600

What a cruel joke

>>29354525
One day I pray that they get good moves to abuse sheer force with
Maybe gen 7...

>>29355340
Huge Power actually works off of the actual stat not the base stat so Azu really has about 130 attack

>>29355522
mega sableye says hi

>>29355568
I know m8 and I'm right. Assuming 252 EVs and an Adamant nature:

Level 100 Rayquaza actual atk: 438
Level 100 Azumarill actual atk: 436

you can trust me, I'm an autist B^)

>>29354516
Seviper, one of Gen III's many cool pokemon with shit stats

>>29355504
No reason, Gamefreak
NO
REASON

>>29355425
The elemental punches were special in gen 3, GF just forgot it couldn't get them outside gen 2

>>29354936
Cloyster

>>29355137
Whiscash?

>>29356071
wew whiscash couldn't even sweep my floors after a dragon dance

>>29356084
Haxorus

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In the meantime, this is better than all of the pokemon mentioned in this thread.

>Lore implying God like powers
>Only 1 attack
>Almost anything can learn it
>Tons of forms same stats
>Unusable attack literally
>72 in attack stats so it needs an item to 2 shot
>48 in everything else
>One shot and out speed by NFE

>>29356237
That's the great thing about being able to learn every move in the game

>>29355137
Garchomp

>>29356237
Smearagle, right?

>>29354472
Hitmonlee, it's endure set is miles better than the stupid fake out set meme that refuses to die.

Actually fuck both, just use CB reckless HJK that thing is retarded immediate power.

>>29356426
>choice band
>with that god awful speed

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Poor baby.

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Defend this.

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>>29356891
It's so cute! OwO

>>29354179
It's ok Ledien, at least you have Ribombee with probbly the same stats and shitty ablitys ;-;

>>29354665
What is this?

>>29354697
Looks like a bug type that could have exactly 85HP but I really hope it is at least 100.

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power trick this

>>29354222
why can't they just buff the stats of older pokemon?

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sad, sad

>>29358457
They actually did a few times in Gen VI.

...by fucking only +10 to something I think on each one they bothered to.

>>29358457
There are hacks by Drayano60 that actually do this. They buff shitmon's stats, adjust typings, give new moves to make em usable ingame. It really feels like everything is viable, nothing has a clear advantage over another except for pseudos but that's understandable, its great

Now if only the maingames did this instead of '+10 to one stat for a few mons'.

>>29354814
What is this?

>>29359359
Venomoth

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>>29354927
4 sunkerns = arceus
>The god of Pokemon is as strong as 4 sunflower seeds

>>29356946
It'd be fine if defend order was a +2 each.

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>>29358636
>raise BST from 385 to 395
Thanks GF, truly I am no longer a shitmon

>>29359490
At least you have quiver dance and compound eyes.

>>29356845
Arcanine proves that great BST does not immediately mean OU. Reduce Sp Atk by 20, increase Speed and Attack by 10 each, give it Dragon Dance, and it will be a monster.

>>29359624
>give Arcanine Dragon Dance

oh fuck you

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Defense this

>>29359737
>>29354796

>>29359763
My picture is better because it's bigger though

>>29359624
>Arcanine proves that great BST does not immediately mean OU. Reduce Sp Atk by 20, increase Speed and Attack by 10 each, give it Dragon Dance, and it will be a monster.
Retarded

And make it learn sacred fire. I'm sick of fire attacks with recoil

>>29354796
>>29359737
>Charmander used Ember

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>>29359802

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>>29354334
>trying this hard

>>29359802
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Charmander Ember vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Avalugg: 150-176 (38.1 - 44.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

>>29354414
the problem is lack of speed and high special attack for no reason

>>29359874
>be Kyogre
>go from king of Ubers to meh
>meanwhile Groudon goes from shit to unparalleled
>all because of ORAS

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>>29359693
It can learn Outrage and even Dragon Pulse, I don't see why giving it DD would be too farfedtch'd.

>>29359799
Nice non-argument fag

>make it learn sacred fire
>muh Entei
This will never happen. Just give it DD and rearrange its stats, it doesn't even use its special movepool anyways.

>>29354273
It's a special wall only needs toxic to play its roll... Try low tiers.

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>be an actual 3 stage dragon with these shit tier stats

kekking at your life senpai

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>>29359994
JUST

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>>29359994
>>29360035
>Tranpinch gets Sheer Force as HA
>Flygon's only ability is Levitate

>>29354612
hoenn has so many mixed attacking shitmons

>>29359874
>Arceus normal is the best Arceus
I guess it's because of hold items. Wonder if the same will be true for Silvally.

>>29359921
>40 speed
Is there even a spider in real life that's slow? What is up with this?

>Pokemon are all supposed to have minmaxed stats
>Having both high Attacks is bad

This thread is full of retards.

Anyone know where i can find program op is using to make base stats table?

>>29360138
>hold items
this and STAB extremespeed go far

life orb 120 bp supe priority coming off 120 base atk = yes pls

>>293542Scizor was still ou in gen2
And I think uu or bl in gen3

>>29354807
Dragon and those stats

Literally who

>>29360653
My weeanus peeanus

>>29360653
not dragon

it has a move like dragon dance but better

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>>29360653
>>29360689
It's Klinklang!

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>>29359911
>tfw the good guys win in the end

>>29354393
Motherfucking Gyarados bitch

ooooh yeah get shwifty

>>29354258
This was good in gen 3. Band Guts Facade ruined lives.

>>29360892
gyara was shit in gen 1 and is shit now, although it had a pretty good run in between

chansey has always been ou in a sense, if blissey never existed she would never have dropped down

zapdos has almost always been ou but had a shaky time in gen 5

no other gen 1 mons strike me as consistent

>>29354393
>what is slowbro, zapados, and nearly snorlax

>>29354258
Why did they give this piece of shit boomburst lmao

>>29361055
>nearly snorlax

snorlax has been awful since BW and wasn't very good in DP either desu

that's nearly 10 years of mediocrity

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>>29354665
You think you have it bad?

>>29355137
Tyrantrum

>>29361146
>NFE

Fuck off

>>29361146
Your bro is NFE?
I don't know what you expected from its stats.

>>29361146
>>29361223
You have good taste, though.

>>29361123
Pretty sure he was UU in DP and BW, I wouldn't classify that as average.

>>29361007
>Gen 1 to 5: OU
>Gen 6: RU
Being Jolteon is suffering.

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>>29356084
S-STOP IT

YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT MY BRO THAT WAY

HE-HE'LL GET A COOL MEGA ONE DAY

I'M SURE OF IT

why can't game freak ever let me be happy

>>29356258
literally who

>>29361579
so you're saying the mon is unknown to you?

>>29361572
Tell me your story, anon, how did Whiscash become your bro?

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>special defense meme takes up all if its BST
>Shit speed, shit defense, subpar attacking stats for pseudo
>Mediocre abilities
>No recovery

>>29361890
>No recovery
>what is rest+hydration
LEARN TO SET UP.

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At least he's fun to use.

>>29361969
>Using Politoed
>Not just using a wall that's good instead

>>29361579
> he didn't watch the entei movie

>>29354273
You have to love it having Iron Fist with base 35 attack. Jesus Gamefreak, why.

>>29354701
>>29354754
At least it's not sawsbuck

>>29362017
I actually did, but it flew over my head. Never mind.

>>29354936
>>29354988
confirmed for eating shit

>>29354936
>mamoswine

>>29362098
>nfe

>>29362098
Sunkern. Holly fuck Johto mons were a mistake.

>>29362167
Not even an excuse for 180 BST.

>>29354273
It gets encore, swords dance/agility, dual screens and baton pass. I do LC runs and I used ledyba on my HGSS team so if you can't find a way to use Ledian that's your problem.

>>29362275
>any of that shit being useful ingame when you can just switch in something with a usable attack stat and hit supereffectives

>ledian ever being a viable support mon in any meta with that beyond shit tier typing/ stats

there is absolutely no way to use ledian in anything ever that couldn't be better done by pretty much every other mon in the dex, even most NFEs

>still good

Horsea
Seadra
Kingdra

Krabby
Kingler
---------

Why is this allowed?

>>29361606
Stealth puns: always the best kind

>>29354936
Avalugg, cryogonal and glaceon. BAM, THREE.

>>29360653
>>29360753
>Godly Shift Gear
>It has Gear Grind on top
>No other physical moves at all
>Like enjoy Return or shit.

It's the Kingdra of its era and without a second typing.

>>29361290
What happened?

>>29362628
presumably that shit movepool finally caught up with it

also priority everywhere

>>29362004
>he doesn't use assault vest rain dance goodra

>>29361007
Gengar and Starmie were OU for almost any generation

>>29362628
Not bulk enough for brave birds so Raikou took over.

>>29362628
Raikou did everything it did but better, also didn't help that it was never that good to begin with.

>>29362655
I'm still baffled at that idea, did Verlis even think while making that video?

>>29354179
>Ledian and Spinerak aren't even the bug catching contest
>can't even excuse them for being intentional duds for gameplay purpose

>>29362686
I don't think he thinks at all

>>29362686
Verlis is... not very good at pokemon

Every time he posts a battle of his, he does some dumb shit

>>29356258
>Unusable attack literally
Actually, Unown can utilize its attack stat with Struggle. Any real Pokemon Trainer knows all their Pokemon's strengths!

>>29353890
Kingdra was boss in Gen 4.
Ran Sub/DD with Lum Berry, often got 2 free turns against people running status, and back then the only wall to Water/Dragon were Empoleon and Shedinja.

>>29360284
This Pokémon doesn't exist

>>29363191
Gen V too, Kingdra was one of the reasons why the SS+Drizzle combination was banned.

>>29363262
I stopped playing gen 5 because of Drizzle and Drought. Making that complex ban just made it uglier IMO, the abilities should have been outright banned

>>29353890
>he's never been hit by a rain+Life Orb-boosted hydro pump
>he's never been hit by an acceptably okay draco meteor in case he's packing resists

Yeah, yeah, ferrothorn and gen 6 rain, shut up

>>29363296
Smogon loves stall, so banning Drizzle meant losing their precious rain stall teams

Kingdra wrecked (and still wrecks) shit in the rain though, Choice Spec'd Hydro Pump in the rain pretty much OHKOs anything that doesn't resist it and Draco Meteor deals with everything else (except Chansey, fuck her).

>>29363296
Well I don't think Drizzle and Drought were broken enough to be banned, since we had Sand Stream already running for a while.

Also the introduction of Fairy types didn't really help Kingdra since they made Outrage useless

>>29354273
i've used ledian in-game just fine anon. once you get past the ledyba stage it's fine.

>>29363458
>be a kingdra user
>the other team has multiple pokemon that are either Water, Steel, or Fairy
>can't spam one move

shit hurts

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defend this

>>29363604
keeps ground immunity even after being soaked

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>>29363604
JUST

>>29363691
That had purpose in gen 5.

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bidoof got more attention for the same ability

>>29363518
>ferrothorn everywhere
indeed hurts, fuck gen 6

>>29363691
>wanting to get paralyzed by normalize delcatty

wew lad

>>29360284
>>29363239
Golduck

>>29364046
>stretching that far
dude, just stun spore it

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hey guys

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>>29361890
other member of le specially defensive meme dragon squad reporting in

>>29364707
dude 69 lmao

>>29355324
>>29355493
Got to battle number 80 in the maison with these three as a lead and mega swampert, porygon 2 and togekiss as back up.
Poliwrath is a monster I tell you.

>>29361890
I kind of wish its speed was lower and thrown into defenses for trick room shenanigans.

>>29365100
>it's the base 80 isn't slow enough for trick room meme!

base 80 with 0 IVs and a negative nature will outspeed base 60s in trick room, it's fine