canon dispute needs to stop.

>>29353635
ash greninja

>>29353635
The anime is canon to the games

ANIME
IS
NOT
CANON

>>29353648
>>29353652
You do not understand the concept of canon.
again: not an opinion. this is information. this is fact. the anime and games do not follow the same continuity, and they have their own separate canons, regardless of any amount of overlap. just because they just now decided to have a promotion involving ash suddenly means they're the exact same canon, it just means ash is in both.
you may think you're witty and smart and right for making these replies, but they are entirely indicative of not understanding the fucking concept.

>>29353682
ash greninja

>>29353652
Wrong. Period. You don't even get the luxury of being joking. Pretend to be a retard and you're still a retard.

>>29353635
Pokemon is a FRANCHISE. It is not just one thing, it is ALL of those things. It isn't just anime, manga, or games. It is all three and more. The only thing that ties them together are the monsters themselves. Everything else has no universal portrayal. Canon for the entire franchise mostly does not exist. If you want to argue canon, then specify that's for one thing and not all of them.

>>29353682
ash greninja

Truly, though, I think canon in general, for all things, is a load of hogwash. There is no universal view for ANYTHING, EVER.

>>29353695
again, you do not understand. to deny it in any way whatsoever is indistinguishable from being knowingly incorrect.
the anime and games follow separate canon, no matter how many things cross over and interlap. THIS IS NOT DEBATABLE. this is not an opinion. this is not a personal view. this is 100% fucking confirmed fact, absolute truth, acknowledged and constantly implied by the games, the anime, all media, and the company itself. THEY ARE NOT 1:1 RECREATIONS. to suggest that they follow THE SAME CANON is to NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT CANON MEANS.

>>29353737
ash greninja

>>29353711
YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF CANON. they have their own separate continuities. this is not a fucking opinion, seriously. your response here is entirely indicative of not understanding the concept. I will keep on repeating myself until you fucking get this.

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>>29353740
dude seriously just kill yourself.

>>29353771
ash greninja

>>29353763
Oh, I understand what canon is. It's a way for people to force their opinions on others. Pokemon is NOT just a game. All things pokemon are equally valid as a representation of what pokemon is. True, they do not say the same things, but not one is more important to the others.

>>29353725
this, too, is missing how continuity and canon functions. your idea that it's a "universal view" is a broad and blatant misunderstanding of what the concept is and what people mean when they say that the anime isn't canon.
different media with different continuities follow their own separate "canons."
when people say the anime is not canon, they mean that it is not canon to the games- because it has its own. to suggest that its hogwash, or to suggest that theres no universal view, is to misunderstand what canon means.
of course there's no universal view, because that isn't what people are suggesting. you do not get it.

I think someone is getting a little too hyped up over quite a small issue.

In fact calling this an 'issue' would probably be an overreaction as well.

>>29353788
No, it isn't. it's a fucking concept. Look it the fuck up. it's not just "hurr durr this is real and this isn't," its a way of separating continuities.

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>>29353635

>>29353806
And what I'm saying is that the games are not the only way to view the pokemon world because the games are not the only thing pokemon consists of.

>>29353648
>>29353695
>>29353715
>>29353740
>>29353765
kill yourself.
again, separate continuities are not contradicted by an overlap. both canons contain MOST of the same characters, and having ash be in the games does not in any way, shape or form mean or imply that suddenly now the games and anime follow the same canon. seriously, get over yourself and go back to fucking reddit you fucking retarded faggot.

>>29353635
Ash Greninja means ash is canon.

>>29353829
oh my fucking god, again, they have separate canons. you misunderstand what canon means if you think i am trying to say one is fake and one is real. no, they are just fucking separate.
not 1 real thing and 1 fake thing, just 2 separate things that do their own thing. what do you not fucking understand, holy shit.
YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT IF THIS IS YOUR RESPONSE.

>>29353829
holy fucking shit you're stupid. >>29353829
>the games are not the only way to view the pokemon world
NO FUCKING DUH. it's still not a fucking opinion to say that the anime and games do not follow the same fucking continuity. to constantly say "UH YEAH IT IS" is to NOT FUCKING UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, OR EVEN WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU.

So you're saying that since the medium is different, it can't be all counted as a single standard? That isn't right, either, since a lot of people make no difference between media as to what holds more relevance to them. Including none of them having any relevance at all! Sorry, but separation of media is not counting to me.

This is why the parents of autistic children should not own dictionaries.

>>29353843
only in the sense that there is now a version of ash in the games. just like how there's fucking misty and brock and may and everyone the fuck else. characters have counterparts in the other medias, but it doesn't make them "THE EXACT SAME CHARACTER"
to constantly post "GRENINJA GRENINJA GRENINJA" just outs yourself as not fucking knowing what you're talking about.

The games and anime follow separate canons. THIS IS NOT AN OPINION, THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE, AND ASH GRENINJA DOES NOT FUCKING CHANGE THIS AT ALL JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW CONTINUITY FUNCTIONS

>>29353926
It's literally ash's greninja

>>29353893
no, i'm saying that, factually, the anime and games follow Two Separate Continuities. none of them are fake. you misunderstand the concept of canon if you keep on latching onto the idea that it means "true." it does not fucking mean true- it means it is separate.

No one is trying to mix them. We know one cannot be used to explain the others. The issue has always been that people think one canon holds more importance than the others, and that was NEVER true. It may be for you, but for anyone else? NEVER.

>>29353910
kill yourself. Nothing I'm saying is fucking autistic just because you don't fucking understand the fucking concept of continuity and canon.

>>29353699
>Getting this mad over a kid's game
Alain and his Charizard are mentioned in ORAS, there is a Pikachu with Ash's cap in S/M, Ash's own Greninja is in S/M, and even Ash is mentioned there.

They're basically two completely separate universes. In the game Ash may be completely different (like other characters who spear in both game and anime) while in the anime he is forever 10.

Anon my dude, you need to take a breather or something. As hilarious as this is, I'm concerned.

Ash-Greninja

>>29353935
again, you do not seem to fucking understand. this does not change anything or contradict a single thing i am saying.
The anime and games follow separate canons, and to suggest otherwise is to misunderstand what the concept means. canon does not mean real. it just means separate. characters can and do fucking exist in separate continuities at the same time. it doesn't mean they're now the same canon.

>>29353987
but its ash's greninja

>>29353959
to think that this response debunks what i am saying is, again, to misunderstand the concepts of canon and continuity.

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Ash Greninja is a thing, y´know?

>>29353978
Yes, they're fucking separate universes. It takes no effort to be correct, and it takes no effort to mock those who are ignorant.

>>29353993
>>29354000
again, you do not understand the concept, and to keep on repeating ash-greninja at me is further indicative that you dont understand the concept.
It's not an argument. brock and misty exist in both the games and anime as well. ash also existing in the game's universe does not suddenly mean it's the same universe as the games.

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>>29354030
but it's ash's greninja, you know from the show.

>>29354000
I don't see ash-greninja, so the fingernail-universe must not be canon.

>>29354030
But you´re missing the point.

and that point is ash-greninja
or Satoshi-Gekkouga
or Ash-Quajutsu

Mainchar-Froggy

>>29353648
>>29353695
>>29353715
>>29353740
>>29353765
>>29353780
>>29353825
>>29353843
>>29353935
>>29353993
>>29354000
>>29354020
I'm not sure what you don't understand. Ash also existing in the game's universe does not make it the same universe as the anime. you misunderstand the concept of separate continuities if you think that this is an argument.

I love the fact that you don't seem to realise Anon's repetition of Ash-Greninja is purely for the sake of pissing you off.

I just don't think you understand the concept.

>>29354062
but ash greninja is from the anime

>>29354062
Why would it look like the ANIME ASH-gekkouga if it isnt the same ash as in the anime?

Game Ash confimed for same as Game.-Ash


Satoshi-Gekkouga

>>29354042
>>29354055
YOU are missing the point.
you do not understand the concept of separate continuities. Just because something exists in both, does not fucking mean that they're the exact same canon.

>>29354076
Kill yourself you fucking faggot, I don't fucking care, pretend to be a retard and you're still a fucking retard.

I don't care. I'm still going to say that everyone is an idiot for thinking that the game verse is the only thing that has relevance.

>>29354090
SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FUCKING HEAD YOU STIMMING FUCKING AUTIST, THINGS EXISTING IN BOTH CANONS DOESN'T MAKE IT ONE SINGULAR CANON, THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. THIS IS NOT AN OPINION. THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL VIEW. THE ANIME AND GAMES FOLLOW TWO SEPARATE CONTINUITIES, AND JUST BECAUSE THEY SHARE CHARACTERS AND EVENTS FROM HERE TO THERE DOES NOT FUCKING MAKE THEM ONE UNIFIED CANON. KIIIIIILLLLLLLLL YOOOOOOOOUUUUURRRRR SEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLFFFFFFF

Apparently trying to help you understand that you're the butt of this glorious joke here makes me the retard.

If that is true, give me all the chromosomes and feed me to a vegan and I'll be the happiest retard in the world

>>29354160
You're the motherfucking joke. I haven't fucking done anything but share information, meanwhile you've been samefagging frogposts. kill yourself you fucking retarded faggot

>>29354159
Ash greninja is from the anime. You get ash greninja in the games. Therefore same universe.

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>Anime-exclusive character and pokemon transformation belonging to said character shows up in the games
>IT MEANS NOTHING

This is why some people should never be allowed to access the internet

>>29354180
Kill yourself. Take a gun to your head and fire. End your life.

The joke is both TPCI and Gamefreak don't care.

>>29354187
This

>>29354187
holy fucking shit are you retarded. something existing in two separate continuities does not suggest that they are the same continuities. this is not my opinion. this is fucking how continuity motherfucking functions.

>>29354217
but the ash greninja you get in the game is from the anime

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>Expecting (You)s

>11 posters
>61 replies
Quit samefagging, OP

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>Pic related is OP

ITs Ash-Greninja.
Both are the same, Different universes mean shit

Greninja de Senior Ketchum.

>>29354187
>>29354212
You do not understand the concept of continuity or canon, and your constant idea that these things contradict these concepts inherently implies it. Go on, make more fucking ash greninja posts, you geting more and more fucking retarded each time.
"canon" does NOT mean "real," it just means SEPARATE. they can be connected, and they can overlap, and they can share many features, but that does not make them the same continuity, and to suggest otherwise is to not understand how the concept functions. period.

>>29354276
but the ash greninja is literally from the anime

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>>29354276
i understand
you´re right

but

ASH-GRENINJA

Is OP seriously getting assblasted over something no one cares?

Yo, OP, I know you hate Ash-Greninja, but there's no need to be this... retarded.

And ASH-Greninja is in the game, so yeah.

>>29354097
no like, ash literally gives it to you

>>29354242
it's not samefagging if i'm not trying to fucking hide the fact that I'm the fucking person speaking. this is a petty rhetoric and a non-argument.
>>29354244
it's not my personal view. it is not an opinion to say that the anime and games follow two separate continuities. to disagree with it is indistinguishable from being completely Wrong, because it is a Fact.
I'm not sure what you don't fucking understand.
>>29354272
stop fucking posting this you fucking twelve year old.

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>>29354294
Is that...

>>29354276
Canon means that which counts in terms of continuity. So if ASH-GRENINJA is in the game, won't that make the anime canon to the game?

>>29354318
why have you conveniently dodged every time I've said the ash greninja from the game is literally from the anime. (fact, not opinion)

>>29354282
>>29354294
>>29354302
>>29354304
i will keep on repeating myself. ash existing on both continuities does not suggest that they are the same continuity. the anime and the games follow separate canon. this is not an opinion. to constantly suggest that ash and ash greninja are a debunk of this idea is to not understand the concept of continuity or canon, and to keep on posting it doesn't change it. stop fucking samefagging greninja. its invalid to try to say i am, because obvi-fucking-ously im the one fucking speaking you motherfucking retard. but you, you're just a fucking annoying fucking child. kill yourself.

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>>29354294
>>29354322
Oh. It's one of THESE threads. I've no problem with that.

>>29354330
He also conveniently dismissed this >>29353959 anon's argument.

>>29354330
I haven't at all. You just still don't understand that that doesn't actually contradict or debunk anything. I have addressed it, and i have addressed it in almost every single reply ive made. your inability to read is not my problem.

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Ho-oh, Blaziken Togepi and a bunch of other shitmons were revealed in the anime first, appeared in the games later. If they didn't make Ashnime canon, Ash-Greninja would not either.

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>>29354322

>>29354389
bit sad isn't he.

>>29354396
>ash greninja being LITERALLY from the anime means they're seperate universes!
nope lol

>>29354385
now thats funky as shit

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>>29354407

>>29354385
FUCK YOU!

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god op calm down


Ash-greninja

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He is laughing at you OP

as he was laughing at you in the anime, he is also laughing at you at thte games.

So, they´re the same

>>29354370
>i will keep on repeating myself
Are we making this an argument of contradictions then?

ASH-GRENINJA!

>>29354409
I expect him to declare he's won the argument once everyone leaves, really. After all the ad hominem, it seems right up his alley.

>>29354389
I didn't conveniently dismiss anything, or dodge any points. I directly addressed them. things existing at the same time in two separate continuities does not make them the same continuity. to constantly point out things from the anime that were put in the games is no different from pointing out that things from the games are in the anime, because they are TWO, SEPARATE, CONTINUITIES. TWO SEPARATE CANONS. THEY FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES. OVERLAP MEANS NOTHING. overlap just fucking means that the two fucking continuities still fucking continue to be similar. TO CONSTANTLY MENTION ASH GRENINJA AND ALAIN IS TO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF SEPARATE CONTINUITY, CANON, OR HOW IT FUNCTIONS. PERIOD.

I really hope someone is screencapping this

>>29354471
But dude the ash greninja in the games is from the anime this completely unravels your bullshit.

>>29354409
this is a strawman. reading comprehension, faggot. your responses are pushing on completely non-sequitor territory because you do not understand these concepts or the words being said to you, and you are attacking a version of me and this information that does not represent reality.

>>29354448
stop fucking samefagging

Kill-yourself

to keep on saying this is to further admit that you do not understand the concept of canon, or things having two separate continuities
this is not an opinion

>>29354467
>>29354470
Kill yourself. YOU are being fucking mocked.

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>>29354520
I think everyone here understands it.

nonetheless.

ASH-Greninja

>>29354471
>directly addressed them
>counterargument was literally "that does not debunk my argument"
Argumentum ad lapidem is a clear sign of YOU not knowing what you're arguing about.

There's also the ad hominem and other bunch of fallacy, but that one's new at least.

>>29354520
But dude ash greninja is from the anime please debunk this.

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>>29354385
>>29354407
>>29354423

>>29354488
it doesn't at all, and your idea that it does implies that you don't understand these concepts. you do not know what canon means if you keep on suggesting that the anime is canon to the games. it is only canon to itself, they have two separate but similar continuities, and absolutely no overlap will ever contradict this. "the anime and the games follow separate canon" is NOT AN OPINION. all that would be fucking screencapped is INFORMATION and one dude fucking samefagging greninja.

>>29354570
but the greninja in the games being the exact same one from the anime means they're the same canon

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>>29354561

>>29354548
Stop.
>>29354541
there's no fucking fallacy. it's not my opinion. i am not sharing a personal view. this is not my own individual idea. The games and anime follow separate canon. having a nod to the anime in the games does not make it the same continuity. it just means those characters also, at the same time, exist in the opposite continuity in addition to the other. to actually believe that it means it's the SAME continuity is to not understand the concept, and my argument IS valid, you just have a poor fucking understanding of what i am fucking saying to you and are trying SO DESPERATELY to create a strawman to whine at.
>>29354541
>There's also the ad hominem
this is 4chan you stimming fucking autist. people are going to call you a motherfucking retard.

>>29354629
>Stop.
so you admit you're wrong

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>>29354618
wow that was quick

>>29354641
No. You're a fucking simpleton if you thought this was a necessary or valid response. You're being told to stop because you're an ignorant spammy fucktard that won't stop fucking frogposting.

So correct me if I'm right, but it sounds like the presence of Ash's greninja in the games means the games and anime are the same canon.

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>>29354618
The mods are watching this thread!

>>29354673
You've yet to refute that the greninja in the games is the exact same one from the anime, which it is.

>>29354629
When the hell did I argue about your "argument"? I just pointed out your dismissing of the argument from before.

If there's anyone attacking a strawman, it's you.

>this is 4chan
And? I've had better argument here than any other place.

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>>29354682
oh shit

>>29354679
No one believes that. Well, I don't think they do, but eh.

Most people here are just having fun over OP's [insert appropriate insult here].

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>>29354561

>>29354685
>>29354687
oh my fucking god you're retarded. there's nothing to refute. you have yet to understand that this doesn't mean what you think and are saying it means. I'm not sure what to tell you anymore, and im sincerely worried about you.
trying to be like "hurr durr thats an ad hominem" on 4chan is basically admitting and outing yourself as having just started using it you fucking redditor faggot. I'm not fucking attacking a strawman, I'm fucking attacking a fucking retarded ass frogposting child with zero fucking brain cells and zero fucking reading comprehension. Just because you did not read or understand what was said to you does not mean it was or wasn't said to you. no personal opinions have been shared with you in this thread, only cold, hard motherfucking fact, and to disagree with fact is indistinguishable from being Dead Wrong. Two. Separate. Continuities. NOT DEBATLE.

>>29353635
>>29353682
>>29353711
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>>29353763
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>>29353926
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>>29353996
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>>29354159
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>>29354520

ash greninja

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THERE'S DOUGHNUT IN THE SPOILER!!
Now that I have your attention, let me get to the point. I can explain Ash-Greninja's presence in the games without making the anime canon to it. I asked Ohmori directly. My words will be his words.

>>29354716
I know that, I was baiting op into correcting me

>>29354777
ash greninja

>>29354777
but it's one, because ash greninja is from the anime, proving it's one.

When Ash-Greninja was added in I highly doubt they thought about "canon." They just wanted to put it in to promote the anime or to be a bonus (or both).

So in the end it doesn't really matter.

>>29354830
but it does prove they're the same canon

>>29354799
>>29354801
>>29354784
go back to fucking reddit you motherfucking faggot. "I was merely pretending to be retarded!" still means you're fucking retarded. who or what fucking says im not fucking trolling you right now? what says im not just fucking with you? it takes absolutely ZERO effort to be correct, but you've really wasted a lot of time of your life posting a fucking tongue frog. You Have Autism.

According to OPs logic, Gen1 isn't canon to Gen2 either.

Just because there's some overlap doesn't mean the two are canon to each other.

>>29354840
no it fucking doesn't, and to suggest as much is to not understand how continuity and canon function. period. i dont even care if youre just shitposting, You Are Wrong.

>>29353695
>what is fan service

>>29354876
How am i wrong? ash from the anime sends his greninja to you. Simple as that. They're the same.

>>29353635
you're wasting your time no one cares stop being dramatic about canon

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>>29354876

OP everyone in this thread is baiting you. They don't give a shit about canon, they want you to keep getting angrier because it's funny.

For god sake please stop posting paragraphs and all caps. Just stop. Leave this thread to die.

If the anime isn't canon, why does pikachu say its name in its anime voice in the newer games? Why does Red have a pikachu when its clearly a reference to Yellow, which is based on the anime?

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>>29354787

>>29354894
>fan service
>canon
My nigga in the anime Ash's greninja never gets sent to some stranger he's literally on his own with Mecha Z

>>29354799
Ah, fair enough.
Well, >>29354799 there you have it.

ASH-GRENINJA.

>>29354858
oh my fucking god, nice strawman. this is about the games versus the anime. how the different games themselves mingle with eachother is a whole other ballpark. i dont know a whole lot about what differs from region to region or game to game, but it WOULD be correct that each different version are technicaly separate universes aswell, albeit more direct offshoots from a more overall game universe. that STILL doesn't fucking make it the same continuity as the anime, and all you are doing by bringing this up is the clarification that not all of the games are the same continuity to eachother as well, in addition from as a whole being separate from the anime. you KNOW that the anime and the games are not the same fucking canon, dude, and all you are doing now is trying to badger more responses out of me because you think i sound funny and that it makes you look witty or something, but no, you're just a fucking annoying retard.

>>29354854
You've wasted over an hour and a half getting baited by two word responses. And I guess you think it's all been one person? No wonder you don't understand multiple canons, you don't even understand multiple people.

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>>29354928

>>29354897
cool, kys
im not dramatic, im correct

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>>29354854
>>29354876
>>29354893
>>29354933

ash greninja

>>29354950
>>29354971

ash greninja

>>29354915
you're a simpleton if you think i am not a shitposter and that i don't see this. to think that it wasn't obvious since the second ash greninja post is to seriously belittle your OWN intelligence. I'm not acting like a fucking retard. I'm fucking mocking all of you fucking children in a way that doesn't fucking involve reddit memes, strawmans and nonsequitors. It's not that motherfucking complicated. sorry you can't understand what's being said to you if its not in pure retarded filth form.

>>29354961
>getting baited
what says you are not

Ash Greninja.

Which means Anime is game.

Which means Game is anime.

Which means this

>It has been quite a while since any trainer’s collected eight gym badges.

is canon to anime.

Which means Ash never had to put up with mary sues.

>>29354961
are you fucking retarded? I don't think it's all one person, but it certainly was for about the first fucking ten frogs. you seriously need to stop pulling things out of your ass, regardless of who you are, it's not that im addressing "You" as an individual, it's that i am addressing All of (You) as a fucking whole. Reading comprehension, faggot(s). do i have to clarify each time now or do (You) get it?

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>>29354969

>>29355121
first two are within a minute of eachother buddinsky

>>29354942
Ah, shoot. Didn't mean to quote twice. Sorry about that.

>>29355100
not OP, explain what you mean about nobody getting badges?

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>>29355125

>>29355057
>>29355121

ash fucking greninja

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>>29355145
>He doesn't know

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>>29355160
Apparently you just need to collect badges to fight the Elite Four and not compete in a tournament.

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>>29355231

>>29355186
so original.
thanks for all the (You)s, guys. It's almost 9:30 and my back is getting achy. Gonna catch some Z's. Hope yall have learned a lot about proper understand of continuity and canon today with me, Dr. Bill. Have fun taking le ebin screencaps to post elsewhere, faggots, i love the attention.

>>29355273
glad we established that the anime and games are in the same continuity then.

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>>29355272
Damn. I didn't think it went farther than that.

>>29355290 (You)

>>29355273
I knew it. Although not exactly how I expected, but still.

>>29354160
I found this thread pretty funny until I realized OP isn't playing along.

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>>29355273
Enjoy the frog and I hope you learned a lesson today that it's canon and it's the same one from the anime

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>>29355309
>>29355272
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>>29354322
>>29354294

What the actual fuck

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Nighty night.

It feels good when we can help an anon understand how the anime is now canon to the games, /vp/

>>29355322
Why would I play along, that'd ruin it too quickly. Really though, have a nice day guys. I stayed to see your responses. you're a swell couple of dudes. also, lilligant is really cute. farewell.

>>29355325
>>29355357
Guys it's over he was trolling for (You)'s

>>29355364
ill miss you..........................

Ya think? Guess the 60 something posts with only 11 posters wasn't obvious enough.

>>29355388
Pretending to throw a fit for hours just for some attention, what a lonely life.

We'll miss you mr. psyduck with egg on head!!

>>29355444
nice trips. gotta admit he seemed pretty legit for a while.

>>29355476
Maybe if you didn't see this exact post when it was first made in whatever that other thread was.

>>29355494
wait, is all this fucking pasta?

>>29355494
even angry autistic kids post in multiple threads my man

>>29355546
Yes. It's been in at least four other threads (that i've seen). Two of them has nothing to do with canon discussion except for the use of the word.