Predict Alola mons tiers

>Fairy/Steel with legendary/mythical tier stats and SpA Moxie
>OU
W E W L A D

>>29336105
Move Robinhoot to OU and Poppmaid to PU and it seems about right.

>>29336105
No fucking way Tapu Koko is gonna be all the way down in RU. Rest looks about right though. I have a few complaints but Tapu Koko is by far the worst one.

>>29336157
Robinhoot is my favourite too but no.

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>>29336157
>Grass/Flying in OU

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>>29336157

>>29336105
All UB's in Ubers as well

>>29336157
Unless it gets the most broken ability ever, it's never leaving RU
Popmaid has a great typing and it looks like it'll have great defenses and HP

>>29336105
>Ubers
Solgaleo, Lunala, UB-01, UB-02 Beauty, UB-02 Absorption, UB-Crab, UB-Bamboo, UB-Edge, UB-Origami, UB-YA BOI
>OU
Poppmaid, Tapu Koko, Tapu Squid, Tapu Ghost, Kommo-o, Silvally
>UU
Luchalitten, Bewear, Salandit2, Crabrawler2, Marshadow, Magearna, Tapu Bull, Sol/Luna Midstage, Wimpod2, Vikavolt, Lycanroc-D, Ninetales, Exeggutor, Dugtrio
>RU
Robinhoot, Drampa, Oranguru, Type: Null, Tsareena, Turtonator, Thornguy, Anchor, Bubble Spider, Morelull2, Mudsdale, Palossand, Lyanroc-N, Wishiwashi, Marowak, Persian, Sandslash, Golem, Raichu
>NU
Gumshoos, Sol/Luna First Stage, Toucan, Oricorio, Mimikyu, Pyukumuku, Komala, Minior, Passimian, Ribombee, Raticate
>PU
Lurantis, Togedemaru, Comfey, Bruxish

>>29336105
Wishiwashi won't be OU
Gimick mon turns to shit mon in one hit

I think the Tapu will be Genies 2.0

That spider has potential
It could get scald and sticky web

Robinhoot to NU

>>29336105
>tapu koko in RU
>in R FUCKING U

sometimes I forget how retarded /vp/ but I'm glad you're there to remind me

>>29336236
>4x weakness means it's bad
I feel like Robinhoot will be a good glass cannon. Plenty of 4x weakness mons are high tier

>>29336157
I hate poppshit too but water/fairy is good and her likely signature move is insane. Robinhoot on the other hand looks awesome but has shit typing and a shit signature. Its also quite possible they fucked his stats, he looks fast but rowlett has the highest HP suggesting a defensively oriented spread. Unless his ability is amazing and/or he pulls a 180 on his stats and becomes a fast attacker he's screwed.

Giving terrible designs great stats/moves/abilities and shitting on great designs is nothing new for GF sadly. This is why I think Buffpod will probably suck too, he just looks too cool for GF to also make him strong. Some waifu shit like that flower mon will be meta defining though just watch.

>>29336365
Forgot about Muk. Put him in UU.

>>29336105
>Crushtacean

If this is not its name, I'm nicknaming it that.

>>29336157
>Grass/Flying better than Water/Fairy
Wew lad

>>29336236
Skymin is in Ubers.

>>29336409
It also has a shite signature move. It's only chance is its hidden ability being borked.

>>29336476
Because his stats are min maxed and Serene Grace flinch.

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>>29336478
I'm still hoping it gets new elemental arrow moves (fire, poison, grass, etc) and an HA that gives them priority

>>29336476
Because it has a 120 BP STAB move with a 60% chance to lower SpDef BY TWO and is also fast as balls.

>>29336476
because of its ability, signature move, and stat distribution. Unless by some miracle Robinroot gets a decent stat spread, a decent move pool, or possibly radically different typing (going off of the troubled teenagers theme of the 2nd stages), then it's just gonna sink down to RU and stay there.

>>29336105
>Marshadow
Have any Mew clones been in Uber in recent history?

>>29336546
Manaphy. That's it. Marshadow would need to be completely fucking broken to be anywhere near Ubers.

>>29336409
Probably getting Sniper HA which doesn't help it, along with a mediocre offensive typing, and godawful defensive typing

>>29336476
Also comparing a legendary to a starter

>>29336409
The problem with Robinhoot isn't so much his 4x weakness but more that his offensive typing is also dogshit since it gets completely shut down by almost every common threat in OU.

>>29336152
Chansey
Assault Vest
Movepool
STAB coverage
Speed tier

Magearna could end up slow like Diancie

>>29336589
That's why I think it'll be RU. Good offensively (statwise), and will probably have a good movepool too, but has some big common checks.

Ubers
Solgaleo, Lunala, UBs

OU
Poppstar, Silvally, every Tapu, Magearna, Marshadow

UU
Mudsdale, Type Null, Alola Dugtrio, Robopod, Sandalit, Day Dog, Wishiwashi, Palossand, Anchorman, Spiky thing, Kommo-o

RU
Muk, Ninetales, Oranguru, Passimian, My Manager's Wrestler, Electric/Ghost Oricorio, Bewear, Bruxish, Vikavolt, Night Dog, Turtonator, Icebrawler, Drampa, Spider thing, Morelel

NU
Tsareena, Raichu, Raticate, Exeggutor, Golem, Gumshoos, Marowak, Psychic/Fire Oricorio, Ribombee, Robinhoot, Toucan Sam, Mimikyu, Minior, Pyukumaru

PU
Sandslash, Persian, Togedemaru, Komala, Comfey, Lurantis

What if Robinroot gets a HA that strengthens the power of non-contact moves?

Maybe Sharpshooter? Boosts moves by 33%.

>>29336617
When do Grass starters ever get good coverage?

This is a retarded thread. We don't know their base stats.

You kids are just blindly guessing.

>>29336627
Move Sandslash and Persian up to NU. Steel isn't TERRIBLE for an Ice type combo, and reminder that M-Abomasnow was king of RU despite zero speed and the worst defensive type this side of Aurorus (who actually does well if RU too, if I may add). Sandslash probably has more power going for it.

Meanwhile Persian has STAB Technician Bite.

>>29336617
Just like others said, its HA is what will make or break it. And considering it's supposed to be this gen's Greninja/popular starter, its HA will probably end up being busted.

Not holding my breath, just giving out a possibility.

>>29336659
It's the next "cool" starter, in contrast to "tough" Luchalitten and "pretty" Poppmaid. They'll give it a movepool, because they know kids will want to teach it crazy moves.

>>29336659
Look up Sceptile. Bonus points for it being pure type.

>>29336733
Sceptile has a decent movepool, for the wrong stat.

>>29336724
This. Robinhoot is the Greninja of this gen, at least in terms of design. I think Poppmaid will end up pretty good, but I'll be surprised if they don't make Robinhoot pretty good

>>29336768
Water/Fairy is a pretty good defensive typing.

>>29336699
I'm on the fence with Sandslash. It might be better than I expect but I'm not sure if it'll be better than regular Sandslash.

Persian I have a feeling won't have enough attack to take advantage of Technician STAB. It might be able to go special though depending on what happens to it since normal Persian has Nasty Plot.

>>29336546
The new clone this gen is Magearna, Marshadow will likely get some broken stat distribution

>>29336105
Sandalit will be ou simply because of it's ability. Toxic skarmory, in da ou club no salty now.

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>>29336789
>serene grace, somewhat bulky, water/fairy, scald/moonblast

Poppmaid is bound to be OU

>>29336836
>switching Skarmory into a fire type

>>29336476
What is Serene Grace and 600 BST?

>Ubers
Solgaleo, most Ultra Beasts
>OU
Silvally, Tapu Koko, Tapu Bara, Marshadow, Magearna, Lunala, some Ultra Beasts
>UU
Waifu Koko, Tapu Dolphin, Poppmaid, Kommo-o, Wishiwashi, Lycanroc
>RU
Gumshoos, Salandude, Drampa, Robinhoot, Luchalitten, Champod, Mon Burgundy, Alolan Dugtrio, Toupek, Spider Dude, Wereroc, Alolan Muk
>NU
Vikavolt, Mimikyu, Tsareena, Minior, Yeticrab, Electric Oricorio, Morekek, Palossand, Bewear, Turtonator, Alolan Raticate, Alolan Exeggutor, Mudsdale, Alolan Ninetales, Alolan Raichu, Alolan Golem, Ribombee
>PU
Oranguru, Passimian, Komala, Togedemaru, Lurantis, Psychic Oricorio, Fire Oricorio, Ghost Oricorio, Bruxish, Pyukumuku, Type Null, Comfey, Alolan Persian

>>29336802
If the platly there cards well, Sandslash could actually end up pretty good. There are two outcomes that could come:

1.they give it a Filter like ability, trying to play around the defensive Ice type thing, hell they could also give it an advanced form if Heatproof that cancels Fire moves.

2.they make a Swift swim/Chlorophyll ability for Hail, but they would also have to twick Hail so that it raises Def of Ice types (it can work in Sandslash's favor since its primary type is Ice) and also not pelt Fire and Water types (diversity in Hail teams, mono Ice is just terrible)

As for stats, this is what I could invision its stats, with a +50 points kinda like a Pseudo Mega:
Hp: 75
Atk: 110
Def: 130
SpAtk: 45
SpDef: 85
Speed: 55

>>29336455
was it confirmed to be water/fairy?

>Ubers
Zygarde-Perfect, Solgaleo, Lunala
>OU
Siren3, Silvally, Tapu Koko, Tapu Pink, Tapu Purple
>UU
Exeggutor-A, Tiger3, Crabrawler2, Oricorio-Sensu, Lycanroc-Midday, Wishiwashi, Mudsdale, Palossand, Mimikyu, Anchor, Kommo-o, Tapu Red
>RU
Raichu-A, Ninetales-A, Muk-A, Marowak-A, Zygarde-10, Owl3, Vikavolt, Oricorio-Baile, Oricorio-PomPom, Togedemaru, Lycanroc-Midnight, Morelull2, Salandit2, Passimian, Wimpod2, Pyukumuku, Bruxish
>NU
Raticate-A, Sandslash-A, Dugtrio-A, Persian-A, Golem-A, Pikipek3, Gumshoos3, Oricorio-Pa'u, Anemone, Divespider2, Bewear, Tsareena, Comfey, Oranguru, Turtonator, Drampa
>PU
Ribombee, Lurantis, Minior, Komala

But honestly, the meta could make the lower tier ones go anywhere. It's only the top tiers that I'm sure about.

>>29337031
Chinese leak says it's a fairy type.

>>29337029
*play
How did it came out like that ?

>>29336854
I'd switch my skarmory into a hetran's toxic if it's a safe prediction. That's the point it can spam toxic very easily with the only defense against it being natural cure or a team cleric. It will be abused in both anti stall and stall. But judging by the fact that it will most likely have paper thin defenses it'll become another useful tool to stall and be guarded by the rest of the team the way a dugtrio is used.

>>29337029
I'm mostly worried because Fighting/Fire/Ground are pretty common, and even though Ice is a good offensive type, it doesn't exactly pair well with Steel offensively. If it does get Swift Snow or something, I could see it being better at least.

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>>29336105

Rough predictions:

Ubers:
Solgaleo
Zygarde-C
Lunala (really fucking dependant on its role, it has a shot if it's fast and speedy but if it's defensive w/o recovery it might even drop to UU since its typing and 4x weakness to Dark/Ghost is a real problem in Ubers and even OU)

OU:
Zygarde if it can have Aura Break + Thousand Arrows
Magearna

UU:
Poppmaid
Wishiwashi
Silvally
Tapu-Koko
Tsareena
Kommo-o

RU:
Luchatigre
A-Dugtrio if it keeps Arena Trap (NU/PU otherwise)
A-Raichu
A-Golem
A-Muk
Bruxish
Salandit's evo
Bewear

NU:
A-Exeggutor
Lycanroc-Midday
A-Ninetales
A-Marowak
Vikavolt
Passimian
Oranguru

PU:
A-Sandslash
A-Persian
A-Raticate
Komala
Gumshoos
Drampa
Ribombee
Comfey
Minior
Lurantis
Lycanroc-Midnight

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>>29336365
>UB's
>Usable in battle

>>29337345
>have pokedex images
>have a ball designed to catch them
>lol u cant use them xDD

I'm not going to bother predicting usefulness of all these mons without knowing their stat spreads and movepools, but I'm 100% certain Beauty is going straight to AG if >her ability really autosets attract when being sent out, and even more so if it sets attract against all opponents switching into >her. That would be ridiculously un>competitive even compared to shit like Scald and Thunder Wave, because you can do other stuff like attacking or setting up while opponent is stuck praying to RNG. It's like Swagger Klefki/Thundurus but even worse because of that free turn factor.
VGCfags better pray UBs won't be allowed in the gen's third year competitions where box legends are allowed in limited use.

>>29337375
>Implying that the ball isn't to capture them for the Aether Foundation

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>>29336505
>his stats are min maxed

Is this a joke? He has 103 points wasted in Attack. 120/127 offense/speed is easily achievable with starter BST.

You don't need Serene Grace specifically, just a good ability. Skymin just shows that grass/flying isn't a death sentence at all.

>>29337412
>this level of denial
Those sprites are used for the new Team Preview, retard.

Notice how Totems don't have them because they aren't catchable.

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>>29337405
>that ability + thunderwave

>>29337029
>Filter like ability
Please stop this meme. Filter and its ilk are dogshit, especially if you have a 4x weakness.

>advanced form if heatproof that cancels Fire moves
You mean Flash Fire? No, it's not getting that.

How does a dedicated Pokemon board know so little about Pokemon?

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>>29337461
>that ability
>Thunder Wave
>Confuse Ray
>Air Slash/Iron Head

>>29337485
Not Flash Fire, obviously. Something like Heatproof, but better. And never said actual Filter, but a better form of it, like making 4X weaknesses to 2x. Obviously not happening, but just putting ideas to the table unlike others.

>>29337461
>>29337507
>wasting a moveslot on Thunder Wave on what's probably a fast attacker
>using Confuse Ray ever
>using nonSTAB Iron Head on anything that's not walled by Fairies
>using nonSTAB Air Slash ever
D- see me after the class.

>OU
Mimikyu

>>29337583
>not T-waving everything that isn't electric/ground with keys/Clefable

>>29336105
Don't know about the rest of the dex but Tapu Koko and friends are all going to be genie level ridiculous and I wouldn't be surprised if 1 or 2 of them get banned eventually.

>>29337461
Paralysis is nerfed AF though.
1/3 to activate and speed down is 1/2 not 1/4.

>>29337345
>Only in vgc
Any lmao

>>29337639
Keys are raw utility when not just beating things with Paraswag and Clefable is Clefable. You don't see purely offensive things like Zekrom or Raikou use Thunder Wave, because they have no business to. It's a utility move for defensive mons and sweep stoppers with Prankster.
>>29337676
Source? I've been out of the loop for the last two weeks. Also 1/3 is more than 1/4 so that's even worse.

>>29337029
It's meant to have better defenses (sigh) a balls Speed but Curse/Avalanche/Gyro Ball/Ice Shard?

Might also be good in Trick Room.

>>29337676
>1/3 to activate
Sorry I'm retarded do you mean you get slowed for using it?

>>29337815
I mean just spreading T-Wave everywhere and sending that thing later on.

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>Ubers
Zygarde-100%, Lunala, Solgaleo
>OU
Silvally*, the whole Tapu quartet, Magearna, Poppmaid, Chadpod
>UU
Wishiwashi, Kommo-o, Turtonator, Marowak, Yeticrab, Type:Null, Luchalitten, Lycanroc-Midday, Salandit2, Raichu
>RU
Morelull2, Robinhoot, Drampa, Mimikyu, Mudsdale, Minior, Bewear, Bruxish, Ninetales, Exeggutor, Muk, Zygarde-10%
>NU
Vikavolt, Tsareena, Gumshoos, Oricorio Pompom, Oricorio Sensu, Comfey, Oranguru, Passimian
>PU
Lurantis, Komala, Ribombee, Pyukumuku, Oricorio Pau'u, Oricorio Baile, Togedemaru, Persian, Raticate, Sandslash

>Impossible to tell right now
Ultra Beasts(Will they even be allowed online?), Anchor, spiky lad, bubble spider, toucan, Dugtrio, Golem

*Since each Arceus is technically tiered individually by Smogon, Silvally will also probably be, too. I can see weaker Silvally types potentially dropping to lower tiers.

>>29336105
>Ubers:
>Lunala, Solgaleo, Magearna, most Ultra Beasts
>OU:
Champod, Wishiwashi, Kommo-o, Silvally, Tapu Ghost, Lycanroc Day, Tapu Koko, Mudsdale
>UU:
El Tigre, Bewear, Palossand, Turtonator, Thornguy, Tapu Psychic, Mimikyu (if it gets something to set up like spikes), Vikavolt (might be OU depending on if its stats are better than Galvantula), Robinhoot
>RU:
Drampa, Bruxish, Minior, Pyukumuku, Passimian, Poppmaid, Lycanroc Night, Oranguru, Type Null, Gumshoos, Oricorio (pom pom)
>NU:
Toukipek, Swindlewt, Oricorio (other), Morelmao, Yeti Crab, Spiderguy, Tsareena
>PU:
Komala, Ribombee, Togedemaru, Comfey, Luarantis

>>29338355
I forgot Palossand, he would be NU in my prediction.

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You think auto-attract on all genders is already bad enough?

>Its narrow, graceful legs allow it to accelerate with such explosive speed that people say it can dodge lightning!

>>29336478
What if it turns out Laser Focus does damsge IN ADDITION to making the next move crit?

I think it is a real possibility because no existing grass or flying move fits the arrow poses in the concept art. Though the arrow could just be a Z move

Tapu Ghost has three immunities and probably the bulkiest spread of the four. If it's move set isn't garbo it'll get banned

>>29336768
there's just no way to salvage an offensive grass type without an OP ability

>>29336362
When I look at the mermaid, the first thing I think is, "oh yeah, that looks like it could take a beating."

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>Mid level pokemon with Stealth Rock weakness
>Anywhere above NU

>>29338622
>What is Milotic

>>29338365
I like this list. It looks like the most probable one.

>>29336105
lower poppmaid one tier and wishiwashi 2
palossand, spider and mimikyu to RU
vikavolt to UU
and pyukumuku to NU

>>29338401
I don't think it'll have auto attract. I think it will have something similar to Corrosion though, where it can attract Pokemon regardless of gender.

Swagger and Thunder Wave are given to nearly everything, and if this thing is as fast as the official site claims...

>>29338759
Except for Wishiwashi, which isn't getting anywhere near OU because of its Defeatist reskin of an ability.

I think Toukipek will be OU if its over 110 base speed and around 100 base attack, it's likely to have skill link Bullet seed, Rockblast, Fury attack and maybe a new flying multi hitmove

No way Toucan is shit!
Pikipek has 75(!) Atk Base and 65(!) Base Speed. This bird will be the deadliest glasscannon!

>>29338971
also to add on this i also think taku and alolan raichu will both be super strong in OU (and marowak if it has high speed and thick club works)

>>29338622
Popplio's stats match up with being a bulky wall and starter stat distribution doesn't change much.

>>29336152
What are you talking about? Almost nothing that gets Moxie as an ability uses it over its other options once you get to 1500 - 1600.

>>29338495
That's idiotic. It would say if it did damage or some sort of attack, but instead the language mirrors that of Lock On.

>>29339051
i think hes saying that its too strong to be OU, 2 of best typings in game with a moxie ability

>>29338971
>>29338991
You guys are right, with normal Stab, and those offensive stats you mentioned, it'll be as threatening as..... Cinccino.
Uh oh.

>>29338622
What it looks like doesn't matter in this.

>>29339076
> it stays pure normal

>>29338759
I honestly don't see Poppstar as being the worst starter. I'm not saying it'll be great, but that unique move on top of the details we know sound pretty good so far, and help separate it from other water types.

Luchacat probably won't be that bad, but UU is filled with bulky waters and it has to compete with Entei, Infernape, Arcanine, Mega Houndoom and Darmanitan, which is pretty fierce so I doubt it'll have a place there.

Robinhoot is something I hope is good, the offensive typing isn't bad but I have the least amount of hope for it so far based on what we know.

>>29339051
Magearna doesn't have any other options, presumably. Also Moxie is a good ability and I can think of a ton of things that use it. Salamence and Gyarados just like Intimidate so they can set up easier, but Moxie is great for a scarfer.

>>29339076
Mincinno has worse offensive stats than Pikipek and evolves just once. Try better next time

>>29339285
I don't see what the pre-evolutions have to do with anything.

>>29339285
So you're implying that Toucan Sam will be even BETTER than Cinccino? That sounds good.

>>29336581
>probably getting Sniper
There's no evidence for that. It's a possibility, but nothing suggests that it's a probability or inevitability. If GF favors this thing as much as it's design, shiny, and apparent Ash-team status suggest, it could get Greninja level grooming for greatness. I don't need the thing to be broken, but I have a suspicion that it will exceed expectations.

>>29339285
Evolving more than once doesn't mean shit. There are plenty of pokemon with three stages that retain shit stats.

>>29336105
Mimikyu gets a free Substitute.
That's OU material, if not UU.
If it gets some decent support moves, it'll easily be the new Klefki.

Salandit has potential for Stall teams, too. Really depends on those stats, though.

>>29336627
I have a feeling Mimikyu will be UU or OU because of Disguise, typing, and movepool despite having shit stats.

>>29336105
>OU:
>Kommo-o
LOL

>>29339178
Do we know for sure those moves are their signatures? We could also get a moveset or stat-fucked starter set like in gen 5.

>>29339527
Skill Link

>>29339051
Doesn't make Moxie a bad ability. And the Fairy Draco Meteor doesn't hurt.

>>29339661
Wow, look at all the super amazing OU skill link users!

Oh wait

>>29339527
Mimikyu seems like an RU mon, honestly.

>>29336236
>Fire/Flying in OU

are you kidding

>>29340067
>What is Mega Heracross

>>29336105

Move Lycanroc(Day), Tapu Koko, Mimikyu, and Tapu Squid to OU. Possibly Bruxish

itt owlfags don't understand smogon tiers

>>29336589

He would in the very least check Rotom-W, Keldeo, and Breloom.

Rotom-W and Keldeo is a pretty big deal considering they're major threats to sand teams. He could have some sort of niche role in OU if his ability isn't garbo.

>>29336833
this. marshadow is the rayquaza/zygarde of this gen.

>>29340228
So you think it'll be OU, not because of shit we already know or can reasonably guess, but just because you're hoping it'll get an HA as good as Gale Wings.

>>29336589
>offensive coverage is shit
>flying spam is shit
>Robinhoot is literally only resisted by 35 Pokémon outside of those introduced in Gen VII

I legitimately hope you're joking.

>>29336833
Explain how on Earth you find Magearna to fit closer to the "tiny, cute Mythical" niche than Marshadow in terms of design.
>>29340375
>a Mythical is going to be the Legendary trio master of this gen
WEW LAD

>>29338498
Their designs make me think
Koko: Defense
Psychic: Special Defense
Fire: Special Attack
Ghost: Attack

>>29340532
Switch Fire and Ghost, it's a bull, you know it's gonna be a Physical attacker.

depending on stats and whether or not it's ability resets, mimikyus could be anywhere between ubers and nu due to ghost/fairy=three immunities and only 2 weaknesses
if it gets an impressive amount of hp and the ability resets then you'll see it everywhere for wow/thunderwave and destiny bond. i could even see it being a trick-mon. the ability and immunities alone is going to give it a niche as a scouter and crippler

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>people ITT thinking Pokémon with a single semi-exploitable gimmick and probably hovering around 500 BST would make solid UU or even OU

Fucking Christ. Whoever thinks Lycanroc-Day, Bruxish, Mimikyu, Wishiwashi, Pallosand, Bewear, Mudsdale or LITERALLY ANY ALOLA-FORM could be UU or higher with what we know about them so far really doesn't play Smogon tiers enough.

>Oh Lycanroc-Midday gets a 40BP priority rock attack! Perfect Talonflame counter! Guaranteed UU/OU! Let's ignore that there are several Talonflame checks already, who despite their checking potential aren't UU+ (eg: Rhyperior). Let's also ignore that Lycanroc probably hovers around 450 BST as most early-game mammals do, and let's also ignore that it probably won't have any means to boost that priority attack with set-up and also ignore that there are a ton of rock-resistant mons in OU/UU and finally ignore that Lycanroc in turn prob can't take a single priority move back from virtually any of the priority spammers or even attacks in general, then yeah it's solid UU/OU material!

This is getting painful to read. How low do you faggots think UU mons can go? This isn't Gen III anymore. If several 600 (+) BST mons aren't good enough for UU, why you'd think any of these lowly critters can be?

The only saving grace for has to be extremely useful moves or an insanely useful HA (Prankster, Gale Wings, Huge Power, Magic Bounce...) but from what we know so far and based on the current meta I genuinely don't think any of the new Pokémon are OU material besides Magearna.

>>29340559
Oh, those are hooves. Thought they were arm cannons at first.

>>29340277
>Arm Thrust
>It had no effect!
>Bullet Seed
>does anybody use this?
>Fury Attack
>It had no effect!
>Pin Missile
>more accurate and powerful than Megahorn
>Rock Blast
>could be a problem
So we've got 2 moves to watch out for. I'm sure people will manage.

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>>29340477
>implying marshadow isn't the fucking boss
nigga u just fucked up
marshadow a boss
A BOSS

>>29340277
>Mimikyu resists or is immune to its STAB moves
>Mega Heracross even being prevalent
kek

>>29340477
>implying the Marshadow we currently know isn't the pre-evolved form of Marshadow similar to that of Lunala and Solgaleo

>>29340605
Outside of him being a check for Talonflame and Charizard-Y (having not even considered the others), he'll be the second Pokemon in history to properly use Sand Rush. He's not 1-dimensional.

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I got a feeling this could be a decent defensive 'mon.
But that's probably just wishful thinking.

>>29340749
not just resists, 4x resists.
mimik only weak to steel and .ghost.
it has three immunities, 2 weaknesses and has a stab that is super effective against one of those.

that said, it's only a good defensive typing for the immunities, mimik with air balloon is immune to 4 types of damage. realistically, fairy/ghost takes neutral damage from everything except for bug due to the weaknesses being canceled out by the resistances.

it doesn't even really depend on stats, it depends on the movepool at this point as it is guaranteed an move if you can donk with one of those three immunities.

that said, i think tapu ghostfish will 1 up it in that regard.

>>29340947
if it isn't immune to toxic then it'll be trash.

>>29340845

But it's probably 430 BST it won't check Talonflame non Char-Y. It can revenge kill (assuming they won't switch out) but it can't switch into either Pokémon

Let's say for example it gets these stats (which isn't unlikely)
60/85/55/45/55/115 (415 BST) with 0/252/6/0/0/252

252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 6 Def Lycanroc-Midday: 137-162 (52.4 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Midday in Sun: 252-297 (96.5 - 113.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

And Lycanroc-Day would need to beat 126+ base speed to have its Priority attack to outspeed Talonflame's.
So it really can't switch into resisted attacks, let alone unresisted attacks and it prob doesn't have enough power to kill anything that isn't 4x weak to rock.

>>29339051
people don't use moxie because intimidate has better overall usage. moxie is still a great ability

>>29339076
i'm calling 100+ hp, atk, speed. and probably 80 sdef.

>>29340947
pure ice

>>29341025
>430 BST

Nigga you're on crack. It's this gen's Lucario. Even if it's weaker than Zoroark at only 500 BST, it's gonna be way stronger than that.

>>29341025
Rockruff has higher attack than speed though. Not saying it'll be good anyways.

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>>29341078

>>29340605
>LITERALLY ANY ALOLA-FORM
excusing your board-specific reaction face sperging, muk is gonna be UU at least with that typing, even if all he gets is crunch and no stat boosts.

>>29341025
It definitely won't be bulky enough to switch into attacks but 430 bst is selling it so short. And 415 BST is just ridiculous. That's literally lower than all fully evolved Gen 6 pokemon, including Diggersby and Dedenne. It's niche will be as a sand rush attacker that isn't Excadrill. That's it. I don't see Accel Rock being that useful since it looks really fast.

I'm not gonna break shit into tiers but I'm sure there will be a few mons who end up being surprisingly good or bad. I think Moreshrooms will end up being OU or BL, Mimikyu might actually see some play in OU as well. Crushtacean will end up having ridiculous attack and shit speed, essentially being the Barbaracle of the gen. The rock wolf is gonna be OU if it's fast, which at least one of them will be.

>>29341097

How? It's presented as the early-game mammal like Raticate, Furret, Linoone, Mightyena, Bibarel, Watchog and Diggersby before it.
Where is it implied to be this gen's Lucario?

>>29341133
Won't matter much. It'd need something like 130 base attack or good set-up to be relevant in this day and age.

>>29341186
What does it have over Drapion/Skuntank? Neither of those are UU and Muk is currently PU.

>>29341218
It's roughly the median BST of early-game mammals.

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>>29341078
Something based on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyWn1XJ9kTE could be neat

>>29341239
Lycanroc isn't the early route mammal, dumbass, that's Gumshoos.

>>29336105
Why would wishiwashi be OU? It's like a water type Archeops, it's good until it gets hit where it shits the bed and loses most of it's stats.

>>29341239
Gumshoos is the early-game rodent this generation, you can tell cause it's a normal type and they gave it an overpowered ability. They did the same thing with Diggersby. Besides, Gamefreak cares more about balance nowadays and won't make a shitmon with terrible stats without a broken ability to back it up. The average of all generations doesn't really matter, you need to be mindful of current trends. I think it will have a ~475 Bst personally.

>>29341239
higher defensive base stats, better moves (gunk shot), acid armor, and high likelihood of ability, moveset and stat buff due to alola form.

he's basically guaranteed ability and moveset buffs at this point due to the gimmick of his crystals being teeth and claws. he'll probably get hone claws as well as crunch at the least.

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>>29336105
>Tapu Koko
>>>>>>>>>RU
More like RU FUCKING kidding me. This thing is a candidate for Ubers IMO, assuming it gets a stat spread comparable to that of, say, Thundurus. 50% boost to Electric STABs plus Fairy STAB is going to be dangerous.
>>29340477
>>a Mythical is going to be the Legendary trio master of this gen
It's happened before.

>>29341372
Citation needed. If we assume it has its usual moves and abilities, I don't see this being any better than the other Dark/Poison types. Skuntank has stab priority and utility moves like Defog, Drapion has hazards, setup moves, and stallbreaking capabilities. Muk has.... Curse I guess? until we know what it gets its tough to say. But unless it gets a great new ability, I can't see it being anything higher than NU

>>29341409
Again though, it's blatantly obvious just by the design that it's the Mew-clone. If it actually looked like the scorpion-thing that everyone seemed to have theorized it to be, I might be inclined to agree.

>>29341356
>>29341368

Fair enough.
Let's upgrade it then:
80/110/75/55/70/120 (510)
252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 6 Def Lycanroc: 108-127 (35.8 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc in Sun: 210-247 (69.7 - 82%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Alright, it won't get immediately destroyed now. And it'll OHKO these in turn (assuming they won't switch out).
Still though. Checking two mons does not OU make and mono-Rock is an absolutely shite typing. If Terrakion can't break OU I don't think this thing will.
And it needs more if it wants to break into UU. A DD like set-up could put it there but otherwise it won't make it either.

>>29341372
Still a Drapion-lite, who can do all that stuff too and has higher speed. You still haven't convinced me this thing can hang in UU. Especially not current UU which is littered with Scald carrying water types.

>>29341592
>do all that stuff too with higher speed
#1 who needs speed when you are going to be sitting and cursing every turn? different playstyle entirely.

#2 drapion does not have gunk shot.

>>29341673

Curse is only useful if you have realiable recovery you fucking nunce.
A-Muk gets its shit wrecked by special attacks. What is it gonna do to bulky water types (Suicune, Vaporeon, Empoleon, Milotic) or the Nidos? What's it gonna do to the things that resist its STAB attacks? What's it gonna do to all that residual damage you pretend it'll soak up?

>>29341592
Personally I don't think it'll be OU either, it'll be a niche weather sweeper like most of the Swift Swimmers from lower tiers.

>>29341673
muk doesn't have toxic spikes, taunt, knock off, etc. And no idea why you would use gunk shot on a curse set. I think it'll make an okay curse user with Crunch if it gets that but nothing too special. Drapion would even make a better curse user than muk if it got it thanks to battle armor.

Another preconception that people seem to have is that Alolan forms will have buffed stats compared to their regular forms, and I just don't see that happening. Maybe they will have different stats, but their BST will probably be the same.

>>29341791
Rest Talk

>>29336105
>NU:
>Toukipek
The little guy already has a fuckton of attack and speed on the first stage. Sure it's weaker than wet toilet paper defensively but as long as it can properly murder shit, that doesn't care. Stat-wise it might me as good as Staraptor if not even more powerful, so it all depends on what kind of movepool it will get to abuse Skill Link with.
inb4 it doesn't even get a flying type icicle spear clone

>>29337676
what in the name of fuck are you understanding
TWave got nerfed by having its accuracy reduced to 90.
Paralysis got nerfed by setting your speed to half, instead of a quarter. Nobody said anything about its activation rate so it should still be 25% to get fully paralyzed.

>>29341914
I thought it was 30% this whole time, finally looked it up. Huh.

>>29341025
It doesn't need 126 base speed with Sand Rush

i really dont want kommo-o to be OU so i van be a speshul snowflake but dd mach punch is inevitable

>giving a shit about cuckgon
Kys

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Here's a visual version; feel free to label them however you like

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Alola Forms

whats the point in this if we dont know any base stats or movepools

>>29342158
I'm worried it might not get Dragon Dance since they're really stingy about the distribution of that move lately.

>>29342583
The same reason people were posting pre-datamine teams.

>>29342583
because we have autism

>>29336105
>OU:
My favorites

>PU
Your favorites

>>29342592
>Hakamo-o dances before battle to show its strength, clanging its scales together to make them ring out. When this dance reaches its climax, Hakamo-o bellows a fierce war cry to challenge its opponent.
It should be fine.

>caring about or following smogon rules

what's it like being so stupid you can't think for yourselves and need to be told what pokemon/moves/combinations you can/can't use?

>>29342592
It gets Automize

>>29342782
I'm still worried. Maybe I just believe Gamefreak is more incompetent than they really are.

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>>29340444
Let's take a look at the Pokemon in OU that can completely shut Robinhoot down:

>Landorus-T
>Ferrothorn
>Garchomp
>Heatran
>Gengar
>Jirachi
>Klefki
>Kyurem-B
>Magnezone
>Latios
>Latias
>Mega Gross
>Mega Pinsir
>Talonflame
>Excadrill
>Both Charizard X and Y
>Skarmory
>Starmie
>Weavile
>Tyranitar
>Thundurus
>Tornadus-T
>Volcanion
>Dragonite
>Salamence
>Zapdos
>Clefable
>Mega Pidgeot
>Staraptor
>Mega Altaria
>Scolipede
>Thundurus-T
>Togekiss
>Victini

Yeah anon, that's totally not the like the entirety of the fucking tier or anything...

>>29342990
nice assumptions my man

Wishiwashi has such a cool design. I hope it's good.

>tfw Mimikyu is probably gunna have a really bad base stats and only be viable in the meta

Probably gunna be a Sableye type pokemon.

>>29340947

if it is water / poison like most suspect and has ferrothorn level stats with spikes + a decent ability + recover [anenomes are self-regenerating, oh god please give this regenerator and recover] i could definately seeing this mon end up in ou. Though chances are it will only get one or two of those things, so im guessing somewhere in bottom tier uu.

Anyone who thinks that not all of the tapu's will end up in ou atleast early tier are fucking kidding themselves. I would be shocked if atleast one of them didn't get banned eventually. Fairy is bar none the best typing in the game, and ghost / fairy, electric / fairy, psychic / fairy and fire / fairy are all amazing typings. Although, I can see fire tapu dropping to uu maybe later on down the track.

If poppmaid gets that screen in one turn move and / or serene grace and decent stats, its going to be ridiculously good and definately ou tier. Fairy / water is such a good typing.

Anyone who thinks magearnea wont be ou is kidding themselves.

Silvally will definately have some of its typings in ou, I can see fairy, steel, water and some others definately being permanent ou contenders.

If mimikyu's ability resets every time it switches in, has decent stats and some good utility moves, I can definately see it being relevant in ou, though I can see it sitting in uu too.

Lycanroc day is being so overhyped its a joke. Why use it over excadrill which will most be likely better in every single way as an ou sand rush sweeper? I can see lyanroc definately being a threat in uu / ru tho depending on how nice gamefreak are to it.

As much as a want crushtacean to be good, I really cant see it being in ou unless it gets a really nice ability. Though I definately see it sitting in uu.

Can definately see toucanpik in uu as a glass cannon

remember when everyone said shit about "Salandit wil B ou!!!" just because of corrosion and typing?

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>>29343035

>topu koko and the technicolor fun bunch
>not ou or at least bl
Come on. Fairy+Secondary stab and legend stats should guarantee usage alone.

Some were saying that. But those people forget the only relevant thing it can currently do is poison heatran.

>>29345201
Don't forget the 50% boost to that secondary STAB they're all likely to receive.