>Gen 5 is the last gen with 150+ Pokemon

>>29323027
we've only ever had two

but on the other hand gen 5 had the worst starters and introduced the genies

>unovabortions will soon quit pokemon and stop coming to /vp/ altogether

feels good man

By this logic, Gen 3 is much better than Gen 2 because it added 35 more Pokemon.

I agree with OP if he meant 100+ pokes

>>29323027
Half of them were shit, so might as well have been 70+

>>29323643
/thread

Quality, not quantity op.

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>>29323665
nice meme

>>29323665
Yeah look at all the quality mons in gen 2 like Ledian, Ariados, all those shitty baby Pokemon, Dunsparce, Murkrow, Misdreavus, Delibird, Corsola, Sneasel, Aipom....

>>29323665
>Gen V has both
How did they do it?

>>29323083
Contrary Serperior is great.His design is too

>>29323360

156 Pokémon.

>>29323665
Gen V has both

>>29323746
>>29324052
If you mean Gen 5 had plenty of great designs, then I agree with you. If you're implying the majority of Gen 5 had great designs then you just have fucking dogshit taste

>>29323746
yeah no. Gen 5 did have some great Pokemon, most of them were garbage, sometimes literally garbage. Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that Basculin is good? Or the monkeys? Or a whole lot of Pokemon?

>>29323665
This would be relevant if the Aloladex wasn't comprised of waifushit and furbait

>>29323643
define shit.

>>29324238
Gen I/II

>>29323745
>Ariados is bad
>Murkrow is bad
>Misdreavous is bad
>Corsola is bad
>SNEASEL is bad

Pick better examples.

>>29323700
I don't know exactly what this image is supposed to convey or who it's supposed to trigger, but it is a little ridiculous that we get <80 new designs a gen, and a huge chunk of them are these same tired tropes we've seen over and over.

>>29324182
It certainly has more great designs than most gens. Even shitty pokemon like Scolipede and Beeheyeem looked cool.

>>29323027
Gen 1 and Gen 5 are the only Gens with 150+ Pokemon, only barely making it past 150 and having many shitmons no one cares about. 100+ is way more accurate to what each gen brought. Stop acting like the generation that purposely made a shit ton of Pokemon is the norm, or pretend that it's the minimum standard with "Kalos and Alola combine isn't even half of Unova. Hue hue."

>>29324247
Gen 2 was shitmonville.

Granted it worked like an expansion pack to 1 anyway

>>29323939
what?

>>29324366
Your face is shitmon

>>29323700
>>29323217
1) Sproutyke: Grass-type
2) Appentree: Grass-type
3) Smithorn: Grass/Steel-type
4) Hotot: Fire-type
5) Fireter: Fire/Fighting-type
6) Pelunching: Fire/Fighting-type
7) Miniliter: Water-type
8) Mediater: Water-type
9) Megacid: Water/Poison-type
10) Cateroll: Bug-type
11) Pupita: Bug-type
12) Butterich: Bug/Flying-type
13) Birdumb: Normal/Flying-type
14) Aviaverage: Normal/Flying-type
15) Brilliair: Psychic/Flying-type
16) Hamstool: Normal-type
17) Guingi: Normal/Grass-type
18) Blackybara: Electric/Dark-type
19) Homorock: Normal/Rock-type
20) Homosexurock: Fairy/Rock-type
21) Sabertough: Normal/Rock-type
22) Tuskat: Dark/Rock-type
23) Britile: Dragon-type
24) Chaprince: Dragon/Water-type
25) Kingon: Dragon/Water-type
26) Fistone: Rock-type
27) Flapapé: Grass-type
28) Scisi-V: Flying-type
29) Goodeity: Fairy/Ground-type
30) Badeity: Dark/Ghost-type

>>29323027
Yet all of them look like shit.
Examples:
>Ice cream cone
>Literal trash
>A chandelier
Yeah no. I'll take anything over that whole gen.

>>29323083
I like Serperior a bit, but I definitely agree with this, the starters in Gen 5 were lame

>>29323083
Gen 2 had the worst starters.

>>29323132
>Gen 3 is much better than Gen 2
Well you're not wrong.

>>29324182
I think gen 5 had it's fair share of bad designs, but like you said it really did have enough to over come that

Whereas I feel Alola doesn't have enough "really" good Pokemon to make up for it's duds like gen 5

gen 6, now that was quality in dex for non quality games

>>29324834
But that is wrong. Only good things to come out of Gen 3 were FRLG and Battle Factory.

>>29324810
Gen 5 had the worst starters.

>>29323027
And it also has one of the worst Pokedexes int he franchise.

Really makes you think.

>>29323132
That's objectively true though. Gen 3 was a huge leap over gen 2.

>>29324858
Gen 7 has the worst starters

They've managed to fucking top themselves with shittiness in starters 3 gen's in a row

Without Smugleaf and Jobninja both of those gen's would be total shit

Gen 7 doesn't really have anything that strong

>>29324856
But that's wrong you cunt

>>29324903
You typed a 7 instead of a 2. Just want to correct you.

>>29324892
Not much really outside of the graphics/new iv system (which literally locked you out of old Pokemon)/abilities

>>29324856
I'd honestly say Emerald is the pinnacle of Pokémon games aside from EoS. Varied Dex, excellent level scaling, decent difficulty curve, and postgame content. Lots to explore as well.

>>29324709

magnet, toxic, rock and a ball.

So...Creative right?

>>29324925
But anon, Feraligatr and Typhlosion

Your opinion is invalid

>>29324925
Sorry I mean 4, not 2

>>29324709
>a chandelier

Chandelure is one of the best fucking Pokemon, and if you can't see that you have dogshit taste

>>29324968
Both of those are complete shit just like Meganium. Charizard and Greninja are far better.

>>29325007
If you like those no wonder you don't like gen 2

>>29325007
>Charizard is much better
Well, it's better than Shitphlosion

>>29324940
Yeah, it added abilities, natures, completely overhauled personality values, and added double battles, the official format since it was introduced. In terms of additions gen 3's the most significant in the franchise aside from, obviously, gen 1.

>>29324992
Right...a pokemon based on a hanging object in my house.

>>29325007
Found the Sm4shfag.

>>29325030
And Feraligayturd.

Have you ever done one of those "name all the Pokémon" quizzes? Gen 6 is fucking impossible because all the new Pokémon were lost among five times as many old ones.

>>29323083
No Gen 6 and 7 have the worst starters

>>29324709
But literally a pokeball, and literally a pile of sludge are good?

>>29325046
Really?

>genders
>2 new types
>rematches
>day and night cycles
>in game events due to what time of the week
>hold items
>cellular connectivity
>endless battle facility
>breeding
>shinies
>berries
>first new pokeballs
>roaming Pokemon
>backwards compatibility
>tutors
>Move deleter

And a fuckton more

>>29323085
Faggots like you are why we've gotten fuck all new Pokemon and why Gen 1 has been shoved down our throats for the past two generations.

>>29325048
Do you actually have a chandelier in your house?

>>29325133
6 > 5 > 7

Chesnaught is meh/decent and Greninja is good shilling aside. Delphox is the only cancer Kalos starter. And Emboar and Samurott are shit (not as shitty as Delphox but) but Serperior is decent. But Alola starters are fucking terrible. The owl is the best and it's mediocre trash. The other two are cancer though.
\
all regions
Kanto = Hoenn > Johto = Sinnoh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Unova >>>>> Alola

>>29325237
These are my thoughts, but honestly I'm starting to grow more found of gen 5 starters

I think it's Stockholm syndrome or just gen 7

>>29324914
>Hoennbabies
>>29324943
It's level scaling seems normal and there really isn't anything big to explore. I don't really like too many Hoenn mons so the Dex is more opinion. Like I said in my first post the Frontier was just Factory for me so eh.

>>29325158
>genders
>rematches
>endless battle facility
>shinies
>berries
>first new pokeballs
>roaming Pokemon
>Move deleter
>day and night cycles
>in game events due to what time of the week
Fluff, not important to battling.

>tutors
In gen 1.
>backwards compatibility
Already introduced by Blue and Yellow.
>cellular connectivity
Only in Japan, dropped hard, and still not relevant to the battle system.

>>29325237
>Hoenn starters that far up
Wew.

>>29325176
Do you not have a chandelier in your house? How poor are you?

>>29325363
Hoenn has the best starters. They got Megas for a reason.

>>29325345
>>not important to battling
>that's the only thing that matters

Where were we only talking about battle facilities

Show me the gen 1 tutors please. Unless you count stadium, where I'll throw in the move reminder

>backwards compatibility
>blue and yellow

What did he mean by this

Also forgot to mention that gen 2 created the Special Defence stats and Special attack. And happiness for all Pokemon affecting them (moves+evolutions). Created weather, and rebalanced types

And there's still more

>>29324968
Literally the only good one is Feraligatr and even then
>65 levels until a decent Water move
Yeah, quality starters.

>>29325480
*battle factors

Also gave egg moves increasing movepools+Pokerus

>>29324892
>huge leap
>removed day/night system, telephone-based wireless connection, time-based events, backwards compatibility

>>29323083
Lol. Gen VII starters are easily the worst ever. It's not even close.

>>29325502
>implying you don't get surf after the 3rd gym

Not to mention ice punch by the 3rd

>>29323132
Gen 3 is much better than Gen 2 and every other gen and that is one of the reasons.

>>29325463
Yeah, because their remake came right after the games that hyped up Megas. I actually like Swampert and Sceptile, but I still wouldn't put them above Sinnoh or at least not at the same level as the Kanto starters.

>>29324903
Still mad, aren't you ?

>>29325529
By that logic gen 5 is the best followed by 1 then 3

>>29325532
What is gen 7's strong point?

>>29323700
We need one dex with that has each possible typing represented and then maybe people will stop complaining

>>29325343
>It's level scaling seems normal
EXACTLY.

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>>29325564
game hasn't come out yet you numbskull

>>29325530
Sceptile is easily cooler than Torterra.

>>29325515
> telephone-based wireless connection

Like you ever used that shit

>>29325645
I mean the starters, that we know what they look like

>>29325686
Not him but it was innovative as fuck

>>29325688
Well an objective strong point is that they're fire, water, and grass types, and they're all three stages. Beyond that I'm pretty sure anything you could come up with as a strong point would be an opinion.

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>>29325676
Gotta disagree with you there, Torterra is pretty fucking rad. Also Sceptile always looks a little awkward in game to me, especially its original sprite.

>>29325711
It was a cute idea on paper but it didn't work on practice so it pretty much didn't exist.

>>29324182
>>29324189
That's the thing. Gen V had enough pokemon that the literal garbage isn't quite as bad because for every bad pokemon there are three or four really cool ones. I will to my death argue that the majority of Gen V's dex is high quality.

That's a complete contrast to this one, which has only a small handful of really cool pokemon. Gen 6 barely pulled off a small dex by pure force of will and mostly pretty baller designs, but they've been exposed hard this time.

>>29324256
People that hate on gens 1,3, and 5, somehow seem to think that it was full of filler. This meme is saying that a pokedex that they'd consider fillerless would look like that.
>>29324289
They're the only two generations you can combine and get less than another generation. That's fucking pathetic.
>>29324709
>All of them
Shall I name the awesome lines?

>Purrloin line
>Musharna line
>Zebstrika line
>Swoobat line
>Excadrill line
>Leavanny line
>Scolipede line
>Whimsicott line
>Lilligant line
>Krookodile (i'm not typing line from now on)
>Darmanitan
>Scrafty
>Sigilyph
>Carracosta
>Archeops
>Zoroark
>Mincinno
>Reuniclus
>Sawsbuck
>Escavalier
>Accelgor
>Ferrothorn
>Galvantula
>Eelektross
>Beeheeyem
>Haxorus
>Golurk
>Bisharp
>Braviary
>Mandibuzz
>Hydreigon
>Volcarona

I'm counting 32 good to great lines. How many great pokemon families does gen 7 have again?

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>>29325766
Eh. Torterra just doesn't have the same appeal as Sceptile. It's too slow and since it's a quadruped it can't pull off the same kinds of cool moves that Sceptile can such as Leaf Blade. Also Sceptile has had a much stronger presence in the anime while Torterra is one of Ash's worst Pokémon.

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>>29323643
List of good gen 5 lines
>Stoutland line
>Simisage line
>Musharna line
>Zebra line
>Swoobat line
>Excadrill line
>Conkeldurr line
>throh and sawk
>Leavanny line
>Scolipede line
>Whimisicott
>Flower waifu
>Krookadile line
>Darmanitan line
>Crustle line
>Scrafty line
>Sigilyph
>Mummy line
>Archeops line
>Cincinno line
>Reuniclus line
>Sawsbuck line
>Pringles ghost line
>Galvantula line
>Spike durian line
>Elektross line
>Chandalure line
>Haxorus line
>Meinfoo line
>Golurk line
>Bisharp
>Bouffalant
>Eagle line
>Durant
>Volcarona
>Hydreigon line
Gen 5 dex was fucking fine.

>>29323083
>Best Grass Starter
>Best Fire Starter
>Worst Water Starter
Samurotts are the Night Elves of Pokemon.
They are shit and anyone who uses one is shit.

>>29324189
>Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that Basculin is good?
Did you forget all the threads about Courage on /vp/ back when Gen V was new? If Eustaceculin wasn't enough to make you like that guy then I guess you just have terrible taste.

>>29325992
You meant blood elves you stupid piece of shit.

>>29325152
y-yes because they came first

>>29325766
As soon as I got around to the idea of chilling on Torterra's back underneath that tree I found out it's actually a really small pokemon.

Sorry, I just can't like the thing.

>>29325974
No it wasn't. The inanimate objects practically ruined the whole dex. Knowing that they exist triggers me.

>>29326163
Jesus Christ than you must hate all poke gens since all of them have inanimate object pokemon or you are being ironic

>>29326163
like a ball, a magnet, and a pile of shit

>>29326217
Yes. Like those. Those are shit designs, and so are the more modern ones that do the same thing. The fact that shit designs existed back in the day does not excuse their continued existence now.

>>29326195
No, it's just Gen 5.

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>>29325030
They have the same base stats though

>>29325519

Keep pretending Wottergate didn't happen.

>>29325237
>they're bad because I said so

Ebin.

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>>29324709
>all of them

>>29323083
Snivy is cute as fuck, faggot. And one of the few in OU.

>>29323027

I think most people would agree that at least 100 per gen would keep everyone happy, 70 is too little, 150 is too much.

If gen 7 had 90-100 Pokemon, I don't think there would be any complaints.

>Muh gen is the best
everyfuckingtime

>>29326347

Charizard has a better typing, and Typhlosion has the shittiest movepool of any starter except MAYBE meganium.

>>29325551
Learn to read. It's one of the reasons gen 3 is so good, not the only one.

>>29325564
Definitely not pokemon designs.

>>29325676
It's really fucking close and I've never been able to definitively decide. They both are really cool conceptually, but I think Torterra's concept makes more sense. Sceptile's speed is a little difficult to buy because of it having a tree for a tail, but it's so sleek and unique. There still isn't another grass starter or pokemon with a design anywhere near it, whereas Torterra has similarities to Venusaur.

>>29324903
>Gen 7 has the worst starters

ebin

>>29324256
Actually, there is 81 mons, anon.

>>29326551
I remember Wottergate extremely well. These guys are worse, though. The only thing I'll give them is better typings.

>>29327402
>they're "worst" because I said so even though the backlash for them is nowhere close to Gen. 5's starters

>>29327443
Says you. The backlash exists in a post Wottergate environment and remember, Wottergate was Serebii approved, plus there was no Mallow involved. Plus, there was the hope of split evos. Regardless, fuck these snotty ass shit designs.

the thing that makes gen 5 great is that is the only pokemon that works as a stand-alone game besides the original red/blue, and that you dont actually feel ripped off owning both B/W + B/W2 because they differentiate enough to be played on their own. (unlike crystal/emerald/plat/yellow)

>hating the first generation that doesnt have zubats/tentacools/pelicans/geodudes, and actually introduces a great variety of catchable interesting mons in every new area or route.

>>29323027
did the leak give away all the new pokemon? i haven't really followed it besides the new starters.
are we really only getting like 70 new ones again? fuck, that really sucks.

>>29324859

yet gen 2, 3 and 4 are infested with much more extremely forgettable and useless mons all around compared to 5.

the only reason you dont notice is because all the other gens are a mixture of of every gen.

>>29324925
(You must be at least 18 to use this site)

>>29326163

>I dont like creativity, I just want a bunch of animals, and suddenly gen 5 is bad despite every other gen having inanimate objects too

no, im not going to go with the whole voltorb/grimer/magnet argument, just that your taste is shit.

>>29323027
I guess that's not really too bad. It was only 2 generations ago and it took them 4 generations to do it again. We'll get another 150+ gen when gen 9 rolls around.

Screencap this. See you in 2024.

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>>29327512

That backlash being what? People being vocal when they don't like something is nothing new.
And what does Mallow have to do with anything? And the split evos was just that: a hope. If you didn't take it with a grain of salt, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Oh, and no amount of hate is going to make them go away. Just a reminder.

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>>29323027
>tfw you'll never hug a giant battyfu and stick your face up its ear

>>29326007
Nah, those are poppmaids

>>29323027
what did Oak say to him?

>>29326146

Torterra is 7'3'' anon. As long as you aren't Scandinavian you can lounge on its back

>>29326146
>not headcannoning your own heights for pokémon

In my mind Nidoking is like 6'0 and nothing will convice me otherwise

Hello guys I am keeks. I think that bullshit.

>>29323665


This "Quality > Quantity" argument is also dumb. They could have easily made a goal for at least 100 new Pokemon without any issues whatsoever, making sure quality is maintained. They literally chose this route of a low number of new Pokemon from the very beginning. The same as they did with Gen 6, which is clearly forgivable. The only issue is that they did it again, as if it's now ok to do so. Anyone here really want 70-ish new Pokemon each generation from now on? Stop lying to yourself.

The best part of playing a new generation of Pokemon is the NEW Pokemon, and everything else should be less of a priority.

>>29327616

Pokémon is about collecting.
It's not fighting game.

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>>29328941
>what did Oak say to him?

>>29326163
>pokemon should ONLY be based on animals
It's people like you that I want to see gone.

>>29325237
Shit taste.

6 > 7 = 5 > 4 > 3 > 1 > 2
I don't really hate any starters.

>>29329446
Remind me again how you collect, Anon?