>only 73 new Pokémon Why is Gen 7 such a joke?

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>gen 5 had more new pokemon than 6 and 7 combined

Really makes you think.

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>>29319453
>>29319478
>inb4 quality over quantity comments

>>29319453
we Pokemon Switch soon

>>29319491
The problem with saying quality over quantity is that a majority of the designs range from bad to absolute shit.

Because Gen 6 and Gen 7 should have been ONE generation combined. Together they have a Generations worth of new Pokemon

But with the advent of the Switch, Game Freak is once again forced to play "keep up" with Nintendo's consoles while also trying keep their games up to date.

They've fucked up their cycle and their quality control is fucked as well.

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>pyukumuku and komala are both single stagers

for what purpose

>>29319453
>85 kanto mons in dex
>83 alola mons in the dex
20 years of pokemon, time to pander to a group that will never come back

>>29319647
this
sumo feels like pokemon Z.

>>29319664
Im glad. Evolving means turning into waifushit.

>>29319491
Why does everyone think that Wimpod ISNT the Fossil this Gen?

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>>29319478
>>29319491
>>29319495
>>29319573
>>29319647
>>29319664
>>29319671
>>29319683
(you)

>>29319491
"Quality over Quantity" doesn't even work given all the waifushit and furbait. Alolamon are just shit in general with a few good standouts.

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>>29319671
When the excessive Kanto pandering in Gen 6 and Gen 7, I'm actively starting to hate Gen 1 Pokemon to the point where I'll always pick an alternative

>>29319712
You are correct. You did post an image of yourself.

>>29319683
Especially since Marshadow is the only new Mythical.

Expect a short gen.

>>29319712
>its a "I won't allow people to have different opinions" guys

Keep on trucking

>>29319712
Literally the only guy who keeps sucking gamefreaks dick.

S/M unfortunately looks more and more like a filler thing that leans heavily on nostalgia pandering just to get by until Gen 8 where they'll actually put some effort into things on new hardware.

>>29319731
hopefully this time there won't be a 7.5 meme

fuck all of you fuckers.
fucking nowlife scum moaning about a kid's game. Game freak is trying to go in a different direction and you all bitch about it. Just shut the fuck up and wait until the game is out.
Fucking pieces of shit.

>>29319453
They want to end with 1000 mons, so, they put a low number for more games to come...... maybe

>>29319763
How can there be 7.5, when we don't even have Gen 7 yet

>>29319760
>Gamefreak
>effort

Sorry anon don't get your hopes up

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>Gamefreak is going to make a Kanto remake instead of a Sinnoh remake

>It will be a completely unaltered story and roster for all avaiable Pokemon and trainer layouts

>They COULD pull a fast one and let you explore Johto as your second region, but that'd require too much effort

>>29319760
But wasn't XY already supposed to be that for SM? I feel like we're in 2013 again.

>>29319830
Would you really want a Sinnoh remake after ORAS?

D/P were shit compared to Platinum and they wouldn't bother adding any of the Platinum stuff.

>>29319453
>Unovabortions think every Gen should have that many Pokemon

The Pokedex is designed around the game, not the other way around. If you people were in charge of these games we'd have thousands of fucking Pokemon.

BW was a pseudo-reboot targeted at long-time fans of the series and was meant to imitate Gen 1, in that it was one region with a large amount of Pokemon just from that region.

Following BW they immediately pivot towards newer fans of the series with BW2, introducing concepts like fusion, getting rid of the "only Gen 5 Pokemon" thing that BW put in place. Gens 6 and 7 are clearly still targeted towards this group, incorporating a mix of old and new Pokemon, since for those players who haven't been playing since the beginning and as such haven't played every Pokemon game, some of the old Pokemon are just as foreign as the new ones. The idea is to keep things fresh by keeping Pokemon from all Gens in the mix. As such, there isn't as much need to make that many new Pokemon with each generation.

>>29319852
The issue is that gamefreak is currently obsessed with "cosmetic" shit

All this stupid 3D gimmick shit and trying to tell an "engaging" narrative instead of making the gameplay more fun.

>>29319573
Actually, the problem is that taste is subjective

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>>29319924
How does it feel being the smartest, most neutral person in this whole shitty thread?

>>29319729
It's made me kick Alolan Ninetails off my team, at least.

Gen 8 will have the same amount.

Get used to it.

>>29320044
I'm used to the slow march to irrelevance and death for the franchise. It's inevitable.

if pokemon is dead why are you fuckers still here and probably end up buying the game too.
cunts

>>29319825
What happened between BW2 and X and Y

It was a single fucking year

>>29320044
>keep pirating

FTFY

>>29320068
The series will continue to sell millions with or without you.

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>>29320087
>Fanboy thinks pokemon is going to last forever.

>>29320102
Certainly longer than you crybabies are suggesting

>>29319870
> To make sure the players get the true Pokemon Diamond and Pearl experience we have painstakingly recreated the battle speed from the original games

>>29320117
When did I suggest a number, dear? I told you it was a slow march. Nothing solid. You're the one that got defensive.

You mean gen 6.5.

>>29319870
>>29320118
>IT'S A DIAMOND AND PEARL REMAKE NOT A PLATINUM REMAKE WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING

I just want to say "fuck you" in advance to all the assholes who will use this in the future

>>29320143
Technically every video game series is on a slow march to death so you aren't wrong.

>>29319820
>ctrl f 100/thousand

>this is the only post that talks about Gamefreak not wanting to reach 1000 pokemon so soon (kind of).

Most of y'all are fuckwitts

>>29320201
what exactly is the problem with reaching 1000?

>>29319700
Because its Bug Water and the Isopods its based on exist in real life still.

>>29320077
>It was a single fucking year

Yeah, exactly. GF doesn't start working on new games until the current ones release, and they started pumping them out every year instead of every two years.

>>29319830
>>29319870
I'm not sure why the standard rhetoric in the fandom isn't asking for sequels rather than remakes.

This way, no matter what region we go to, it will be a unique experience

>>29319478
>gen 5 had the largest amount of pokemon introduced
what is your point

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>>29320102
>>29320117
Id say probably gen 10-14 would be its end.

>>29319453
Its 81 you idiot

>>29320361
I'd guess it'll be 12. By gen 10 the series will have lost steam as far as sales go, 12 is when they'll give up on it for good.

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>>29319712
People like you need to be gassed. You are the problem and you aren't even aware of it. As long as faggots like you keep sucking gfs dick things will only keep getting worse.

I knew this generation would be shit as soon as the genwun focus became obvious. I'm sorry for people who bought into it regardless.

>>29320428
I wonder how they'll pander to Kanto in Gen 8?

>tfw you didn't fall for the "odd gens always introduce a lot of pokemon" meme

So is it confirmed that we won't get any new megas this gen?

>>29320467
There are 0 in the regional dex. The national dex is an unknown, but rhetoric from GF seems to imply they think Z moves are the replacement.

>>29320467
Basically, yes.

>>29319700
Not part Rock-type and the datamine revealed no new fossil items.

I don't get why people act like no fossils is such a blasphemous thing when gen 2 already didn't have them.

>>29319453
/vp/ logic dictates that if it's a small dex it's automatically filled with almost all good mons and all the big ones are 60% shit.

>>29320493
I think I read that the item datamine also shows no new mega stones. I wonder if GameFreak views megas as a mistake at this point. And then, if we're going to be stuck with that select group having megas or if they'll just cut them from the series at some point.

>>29320463
it was true for about 19 years, guess it's never too late for disappointment

>>29319647
This.

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>>29320401
And then knowing nintendo and how they like to whore what they own out to nostalgiafags well get a gen 13 spin off shit where pokemon is now a platformer and if no one buys it it goes back on haitus. If people do buy it they assume its because of the gameplay andn ot the pokemon and make gen 14 another platformer.

>>29320511
If you'll notice, not a lot of people like Gen 2 for anything but being the next step forward for the franchise.

>>29319725
>le furry and waifu pandering meme

>>29320511
The JohtoDex is one of the most common reasons why people shit on Gen 2.

>>29320511
Gen 2 and 7 are both generations that spend too much time sucking Kanto's cock so of course they have some things in common

>>29319453

I have no idea.

>>29320493
>GF seems to imply they think Z moves are the replacement.
HAHAHAHAHAHA the retardation, I mean sure we have to suffer but the utter retardation of this holy shit

>>29320496
>barely new Pokemon
>no megas
If the postgame isn't at least on Battlefrontier level then I won't even bother buying this shit this time. I mean there are limits of disappointment and it slowly feels like gf kinda crossed this line a long time ago

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>>29319693
i just imagined pyukumuku with long Lopunny-like legs.

phahahhahahaha someone please draw this

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>>29319830

Pokémon is about collecting.

It have no roster.

>>29320493
I told you faggots back in XY that mega evolutions were an overpowered gimmick made to sell copies of the game and that it would get dropped as soon as the next game rolled around, and that it would have yet another overpowered gimmick to sell the gen.

And the GF cycle of stupidity continues. Next gen Z-moves will get dropped for something else, and you can forget about regional forms too.

>>29320428
Thank god for CFW, I won't have to give GF a cent if it's shit.

I'm actually kind of hoping these games completely bomb and many people tell GF that it's because they wanted more new Pokémon and less Kanto pandering but that'll never happen.

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>mfw I was waiting for impressive leaks this whole time
>mfw now I realize they didn't leak something impressive because there simply isn't anything remoltely interesting in this gen except for the solid starters that were unintentionally leaked MONTHS ago
It seems like this gen will be the final nail in the coffin for me /vp/. It's been a fun ride but I guess it's time to let go.

>>29320614
>>29319453
obviously because is replacing Pokémon Z

>>29319647
>generation of new Pokemon

I can understand people wanting more variety, but, why is there even a quota? That a gen can only be 'good' if it has over a certain number of designs?

It's pretty clear their new approach is mixing old generation Pokemon with the new generation. If they made too many new designs, there wouldn't be room for people's old favorites.

Masuda and Ohmori said in some interview (with GameExplain I think?) that Kanto has the most recognizable Pokemon, and they are right. Even if not by genwunners, first gen have stayed with us the longest. For marketing and distributing, familiarity is an important factor. People don't generally like new things and huge change.

With lesser new designs in the dex, players can encounter Pokemon they like from older games as well as try out the new Pokemon.

GameFreak are pretty bad at programming, but people don't give their marketing and design choices nearly enough credit.

>>29319491
People tend to be accepting of lesser quantity of something if they like most of the designs. It's a better mentality than 'waah muh numbers aren't big enuf'. Go back to PC gaming if sheer numbers mean that much to you.

>>29320275
some people might think that will be too many. Maybe GameFreak thinks that too, dunno.

Amount of new Pokemon has no indication of game quality.

>>29320876
so we going to spend the next decade having a bunch of half-baked gens just so they can stall out the inevitable?

>>29320727
I was about to say Pokemon was now Yu-gi-oh with all the game changing gimmicks every generation and the exponential power creep, but then I realized that even Yu-gi-oh adds support for older gimmicks sometimes.

>>29319453
+8

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>>29320938
>Synchro and Pendulum will be coming to Pokemon in the future

>>29321034
I could actually see them coming out with a Pokemon fusion system in gen 8 or 9.

Jesus fucking christ I don't even want to think too deep about what it would be like.

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>>29320860
>but people don't give their marketing choices nearly enough credit.
That's because they simply don't deserve credit. We have started walking this long road 20 years ago but for some reason we're moving sideways and backwards rather than straight forward the last few years and this year literally takes the cake considering absolute crushed expectations and disappointment.
Literally every gen thus far delivered some MASSIVE SHIT while it came along. Gen 1 started the hype, Gen 2 included two whole regions, Gen 3 gave us the Battlefrontier (one of the most missed implementations that gamefreak for some reason refuses to reintroduce), With gen 4 came the online gaming, gen 5 had a massive amount of new Pokemon and did its best with the postgame (tournament) and last but not least gen 6 introduced mega evolution. What did gen 7 deliver thus far? A whole lot of nothing if you ask me. Sure, I got hyped when I saw the alolan forms but what good are those, they merely tease what could have been a great concept if we would have gotten more of it. From what I see now Gen 7 lacks pretty much entirely an appealing individual new aspect and even refused to give us more of the things we liked about previous gens such as new mega evolutions. I'm curious to see how this will unfold further but this is actually the first time I won't preorder. I will wait until we know everything of this what I suspect to be a mess and then I'll decide if I continue shoving gf my money up their ass.

>>29320767
These games are going to do at least as well as X/Y just because of the Go craze, but I don't predict most of those to stick around for Gen 8 or for GF to be able to pull another stunt like Go any time soon.

>>29319478
>>gen 5 had more new pokemon than 6 and 7 combined
That would actually be impressive if most of them weren't trash.

>>29320860
>there wouldn't be room for people's old favorites.
I don't want to see my 'old favorites' again. I've played with them several times by now. I have them in my box, I can use bank to bring them back if I need to. I want new pokemon, to see new ones and play with them. Not this nostalgia pandering. If I want Pokemon Red/Blue I STILL own the carts and my GBC, and even if they're dead emulation (and e-shop for those who won't pirate) exists.

>>29320511
The Pokémon themselves are not one of the reasons why HG/SS are the most popular games in the series.

>>29319453
Last time they tried to add a fuckton of new Pokemon in Gen V, genwunners threw a fit over not being able to use their favorites.
And that's how XY and SM decided to pander to them while adding barely anything new.

>>29320860
>there wouldn't be room for people's old favorites.
So are we already forgetting that BW2 existed?

>>29320428
What were you expecting? These are the 20th anniversary games.

>>29321447
yes, and RBG weren't the only Pokemon games that came out in the last 20 years

and XY was already a giant Gen 1 fest to begin with

>Gen 1 games were the best! Why aren't the new games more like my childhood!
>Man fuck all this gen 1 pandering!
There's no pleasing you fucks

>>29321651
oh, it's the everybody is the same person fallacy, who saw that coming

>>29319693
>Kommo-o
>waifushit

>>29319453
>>29320387
Highlighting the second comment, to point out how hilarious it is that OP isn't able to count.

>>29321674
>/vp/ is one person
I HATE this statement. Anon wasn't even inferring to absolutely EVERYONE here, it's just you forcing this phrase.

>>29320387
Ultra Beasts were explicitly stated to not be Pokémon

>>29321727
>monsters that are catchable in a Pokemon game
>not a Pokemon

same shit different name

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I was gonna write a huge rant but then I decided "Fuck it" 4chan is full of shills, hipsters and losers who still rely on their mom for rent and cigarette money, there's the few bro's but coming here to seek them out isn't even worth it anymore, congrats OP, you have officially made me quit 4chan after 8 years, it's gone to shit ever since that fucking nip bought out the website, mods if you see this, just permaban me, I'd appreciate it, it's been a fun ride.

>>29321723
Trying to paint people in this thread as hypocrites by imagining that they're the same people who hate everything beyond Gen 1 makes no fucking sense and is one of the classic go to argument for people who want to come off as enlightened pillars of neutrality on the internet.

>ugh, you guys just don't know what you want! How am I the only person intelligent enough to see that!

>>29321705
It's more that the news that you can catch UBs hasn't been spread that far yet, and also the fact that nobody knows how they'll work or be counted.

>>29320554
That's not true

>>29321447
I'd love if the celebrated 20 years of the franchise

>>29321651
>/vp/ is one person

>>29321723
So that anon is saying people have different opinions? Yes. That is true

>>29321765
UBs have been separate from Pokemon on the site, and have no types

>>29321770
See you tomorrow.

>>29321825
I mean, I like Gen 2 for the traditional Japanese aesthetic because I'm a damned weeb, but I'm not going to pretend that sort of atmosphere is enough to endear it to most people.

>>29321844
Not him, but not everyone is very devoted to this place. Several people only come a few times a month already

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>>29321770
see you tomorrow, anon

>>29320102
If it makes a lot of money they will keep making them.

>>29321922
Of course, but no series keeps making money forever. It's going to die at some point, and this general decline is the signal that we're on the downward edge of the franchise, no matter how long it takes to reach the bottom.

>>29321514
Just like XY were?

Oh wait they weren't

>>29321987
kalos was basically 3D kanto, anon

>>29319760
>implying it won't more gen 1 pandering with only 60 or so new Pokemon

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>>29319830
>complete elite four
>Oak gives you a new ticket for the S.S. Anne
>take one step off boat dock in Olivine City

>your 1st Pokemon hops out of its pokeball.
>mfw Following Pokemon is now enabled

It's obvious that XY, SM and all future games will be made with the backlash of Gen 5 in mind.

People were very vocal about disliking the brand new Pokémon and old Pokémon being relegated to post game.

>>29322101
Being a BW fan is suffering.

>>29322101
Said it before and will say it again, Gen 5 was the last time GF tried to take the series forward into new territory. The 100% new Pokedex, the story, the increased challenge, the smart EXP curve, the older protagonists...

People didn't like it, now we'll get normie gen 1 pandering, gimmicks and babby handholding for all eternity.

>>29319820
Fuck gamefreak for wanting this. It's fucking up the pokedexes in the new games, leading to shit.

>>29319820
No they just want to continue to make sure that gen 1 gets all the spotlight

>>29321987
Uh, yes they were.

For people whining and bitching about nostalgia and pandering so much, you sure do talk about wanting remakes a whole fucking lot.

>>29322549
After how ORAS turned out any desire I have for further remakes is permanently dead

>>29322549
Yes. Remakes are the appropriate place to enjoy nostalgia. Heartgold/Soulsilver, FR and LG. Great games, not the main games of their generation. It is in fact entirely possible to want nostalgia in its proper and originally established place (remakes) and new pokemon and ideas in its own place (new games). Try again.

>>29322572
I bet the D/P remakes won't even have the comfy colder region styling of Platinum and'll just be like the original games.

>>29322620
to be fair, all that changed was the first few towns and routes having some patches of snow on them

>>29319491
Why is this list making me giggle this much

>>29322658
because quality over quantity duh

>>29322646
And they should ramp that up desu.

>>29319909
>If you people were in charge of these games we'd have thousands of fucking Pokemon.
What's wrong with that?

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Alola Dex:

Gen 1: 88
Gen 2: 30
Gen 3: 33
Gen 4: 29
Gen 5: 28
Gen 6: 14
Gen 7: 80 (82 if you include box Legendaries "pre-evolutions")

>>29322696
Most of them would be shit?

>>29319924
That's on GameFreak. They didn't make a good mix of Pokemon that would appeal to everyone this gen. Instead, they made Tsareena and Lurantis. Two pure Grass waifus. They made Poppmaid and Salanductress. They made Cheerleader and Hoola Girl Oricorio. And Magearna. And Cockroach lady.

Plus a bunch of 'cutesy' designs or ones that would never really appeal to most people. Like Bruxish. And the pink mushroom. And Ribombee. Bewear. Comfei.

And then the rest is just trash. Persian. Golem. Dugtrio. The Tapu quartet. Kommo-o. Tortonator. I could keep going. It's just a fucking disaster. And this is subjective, sure. But again, I don' think this is a good mixture of designs. It leans too far towards cutesy and catering to the furries.

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>>29321356
List of good gen 5 lines
>Stoutland line
>Simisage line
>Musharna line
>Zebra line
>Swoobat line
>Excadrill line
>Conkeldurr line
>throh and sawk
>Leavanny line
>Scolipede line
>Whimisicott
>Flower waifu
>Krookadile line
>Darmanitan line
>Crustle line
>Scrafty line
>Sigilyph
>Mummy line
>Archeops line
>Cincinno line
>Reuniclus line
>Sawsbuck line
>Pringles ghost line
>Galvantula line
>Spike durian line
>Elektross line
>Chandalure line
>Haxorus line
>Meinfoo line
>Golurk line
>Bisharp
>Bouffalant
>Eagle line
>Durant
>Volcarona
>Hydreigon line
Gen 5 dex was fucking fine.

>>29322723
being stuck at 80 didn't help Gen 7 in that regard

>>29322713
Looks like it's you who got fucked, anti-genwunner.

>>29322713
I'm going to be pissed if we're not allowed to keep the legendary pre-evolutions. That'll be a real slap to the face for living dexes.

>>29322746
>Bert and Ernie
Most everything else was good though.

>>29322713
>>29322757
And that's if UBs will even be counted

>>29322741
Lurantis is a pretty weak waifumon. It's literally just a bug that looks like it's wearing samurai pants. It's pink but that's because orchid mantises are pink, which it's based on.

Because they were made for Switch and Game Freak had to spend 2015 learning how to develop for the new console before rushing out a 3DS port for the anniversary

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>>29321356
List of good gen 7 lines
>owlet
>rockruff
>vikavolt line
>rimbombee
>salandit
>mimikyu
>wimpod
>flower waifu
>mudsdale
>comet/asteroid thing
>wishiwashi
>sea cucumber
>turtanator
>Dragon monk
>Silvally
I dont see this quality over quantity meme ar all

>>29322876
I disagree with you on Turtanator, Tsareena, and the comet.

>>29322876
>I dont see this quality over quantity meme ar all
because it is a a meme

>>29322899
Pretty sure they were referring to Lurantis being good, not Tsareena

>>29322913
In that case I'd agree on that one.

Tsareena's legs are way too long. If they were just shorter they'd look fine, but like this she just looks stupid.

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>>29322942
The legs really aren't that long though

>>29322876
Good gen 6 lines
>greninja
>chesnaught fuck you I like it
>heliosk
>Niggasby
>Slurpuff
>Malamar
>Dedenne one of the only good pikaclone
>Talonflame
>Gogoat
>Vivilone
>pancham
>Meowstic
>Sylveon
>Tyrantrum best fossil mon and one of the best mons of all time
>Aegislash
>Hawlucha
>Trevenant
>Noivern

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>>29321900
and ill see you complaining about the anime despite never bothering watching it.

I'm going to /trash/

>>29319453
Because all of us will buy it anyway so they can put as little effort as possible into it.

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>>29322978
Also look how long Lurantis' legs actually are compared to its torso

>>29323031
you dont expect me to believe you actually like these enough when you misspell them a lot

>>29322899
Yeah I meant mantis. And I guess Fire kappa is kind of ugly but comet is pretty cool and I like the opening up gimmick. Plus gen 7 needs all the help it can get.

>>29319760
>effort
>gamefreak


HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>29323060
There are over 800 fucking pokemon give me a break plus I am phone typing.

>>29322978
Yes they are. They're longer than the rest of its entire body. It looks completely disproportioned, especially when combined with the wide flare of the boots.

>>29323156
No, the front of the boots make them appear longer than they actually are. And Lurantis is more leggy regardless if this is somehow a problem. >>29323056

>>29322942
>>29322978
>>29323156
Its not that the legs are to long it's that the torso is much to short.

>>29323228
Then why is this not a problem with Lurantis as well?

>>29323228
It works either way around, if it had a larger torso and longer arms it'd look fine with that leg length.

>>29323205
>>29323241
You really hate Lurantis. It's because Lurantis' legs don't appear as wide or comparatively lanky, and its large head and arms help its proportions.

>>29323274
No, I don't hate Lurantis actually. I just don't understand the double-standard with regard to body/leg ratios.

>>29323297
Well it's like I said, the rest of its body works with the legs, not against them. They made Tsareena's legs TOO prominent.

>>29323322
I don't agree, even with the upper part of the "boots" that jut out above the knees, the legs make up just about half of its body.

It helps not to look at each generation as its own separate entity and to think of them all as a cohesive whole. I mean, all your favorites still exist; so what if you don't like everything that's been introduced or there aren't 100+ (60 of which would probably be Dex filler like Basculin)? You don't have to. Take what you like from it and keep it moving... like I did with Gen 4.

'Cause, I don't care what anyone says, there's no topping Probopass in terms of bad design. I also realize that that's subjective.

>>29323386
don't bother. lurantisfags have been shook and on the offense since tsareena, aka the superior grass waifu, was revealed

>>29323386
Combine that with the extremely squat torso, though, with the wide 'butt' area and the thinness of the legs >>29322978 you can see here behind the boots,

>>29323400
>all your favorites still exist
I've already used them and don't want to use them again. They don't add to a new set of games at all.

Gen 7 has the highest percentage of good Pokemon out of all Gens

>>29323403
I had a feeling from the get-go that people were jumping the gun with Lurantis just because it was the first thing resembling a vaguely-humanoid "female" pokemon that was official confirmed. It's not particularly feminine outside of the color scheme which reflects more on the species it's designed after than a gender thing.

>>29323400
I don't like to use my old favorites when playing a new game through, especially the first two times or so. I want to create new favorites.

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>>29323443
>I had a feeling from the get-go that people were jumping the gun with Lurantis just because it was the first thing resembling a vaguely-humanoid "female" pokemon that was official confirmed
yep. and since they have devoted themselves entirely to her, they are confused and rattled because they don't want to leave lurantis so now they have to be overly defensive about their waifu

>>29323442
Fuck no. And even if it did.. It would still have the lowest amount of good pokemon. Except for maybe gen 4. Actually just counted. Gen 4 even beats it out by a wide margin.

>>29323409
the "squat torso" area is meant to represent some manner of poofy, regal outfit to fit in with the rest of the pokemon's theme, which is exactly what I see when I look at it. I'm not sure how you're looking at it...

>>29323566
I'm aware of what it represents. I'm telling you that it's part of the reason the long legs look bad.

>>29323537
Gen 4 has 33 good Pokemon
Gen 7 has 60 good Pokemon

>>29319478
>over half of the generations only gave us only around 75 brand new Pokémon lines, with still only around 100 total when additions to previous Pokémon lines are factored in

>>29323579
Going to have to agree to disagree at this point, just looks fine to me. And Lurantis too, for that matter since that's been brought up

>>29323106
/thread

>>29322876
Considering that's the shortest generation this far its not so bad them.Boy,yu dont like Trumpmon, monkeys,fly1 and Drampa?Aside from this your taste is good.(I..like the tapus, Marshadow and sandthing1)

>>29323800
I purposely didnt rate the legends I do like some of the totem mons. Also didn't realize I didn't pick Gumshoos. He is pretty neat. Also the more I look at Luchalitten and from some fanart I've seen I believe that he would look a lot better if its proportions were different.

>>29323031
>Chesnaught
would have stopped reading there but okay let's give you the benefit of the doubt
>Heliolisk
you mean the sun lizard that gets damaged by the sun?
>Dedenne one of the only good pikeclone
A raichu rehash that has less innovation going for it than most pikaclones are different from pikachu
>Gogoat
nothing special

>>29319731
Isn't Magearna a mythical?

>>29323940
Chestnaught is just a personal like. Yes grenigga is better
I rated on design not function and I like heliosk
Dedenne looks good can't say the same for plusle and minun or emolga
Yeah Gogoat is pretty bland.

>>29322245
>increased challenge

Agree with you on everything else tho

>>29320075
Honestly, /vp/ seems to be the only place with so much negativity. Either it's a dumping ground for people who feel they can't complain elsewhere, or the negativity is just people goofing around, or the negativity is legitimately scaring off fans who love the series

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>>29319453
i like how everyone here just posts random ass numbers. "only 80 new pokemon!" then the next day "its 107!" now its 73, etc.i honestly believe none of you have a single clue and are just trying to bait. Just wait one month until the game comes out god damn.

>>29319453
Rather have 73 great Pokemon than a shit ton of awful ones. Games are going to be good regardless of number of new Pokemon.

>>29324426
>>29324110
>>29324531
Fuck off shill.

Reddit is that way.

>>29324426
No we'd be happy with 90-100

60-80 just so Gen 1 can be center of attention AGAIN is just pandering and piss poor effort by GF

This shit's been going on since Gen4 when most of the new evos where Gen1 Pokemon.

I dont know how much money Gen 5 made compared with 3, or 4, or 6, but I'm guessing it didn't make much more, despite the extra work it took making twice as many Pokemon for it than this gen and Gen 6. Also, from another perspective it's probably harder for a lot of people to remember the overwhelming amount of new names of the Gen 5 Pokemon, that is people who aren't Pokemon autists. But with gen 6's small amount, it's easier to remember. Just a theory.

>>29324615
The most popular, recognizable pokemon are from generation 1. From a business standpoint, "pandering" to that large demographic isn't stupid.

>>29324808
>From a business standpoint, "pandering" to that large demographic isn't stupid.

The problem is that they never stop fucking doing it and are now getting worse about it to the detriment of the games.

>>29324531
Lower quantity does not equal higher quality, nor do you know that the games are going to be good.

>>29324615
>we'd
100+ or bust for me.

>>29324839
The games will sell no matter what. And you're buying them despite this. In addition to having you and any other complainer in their pocket, why not reach out to the demographic of people who enjoyed early Pokemon designs and bring them back? Young kids new to the series won't give a crap what anything looks like or what Gen it's from; they don't care for "pandering" one way or another.

But my issue: This new gimmick of alolan forms is pretty big, and it's easier to create new alolan forms than mega evolutions. Despite this, all signs point to there being only 16. They are palette swaps. Why aren't there more? Why did some credible leaks say that Dodrio, and Alakazam among others had Alolan varieties? My guess is they may release free DLC content on release day with new Alolan forms, but probably not new Pokemon. My guess as to why they'd do this is so they aren't all discovered in the coding of the demo.

>>29324531
so much quality that two slots were wasted on completely unnecessary baby forms of the cover legends

>>29324931
>And you're buying them despite this
I'm not. I got burned twice in a row during Gen 6, there's no way in hell I'm touching SM in any way other than piracy especially after the datamine.

>>29324546
Says the person who despite hating the series still continues to buy it :^)

>>29324958
I like those baby forms a lot personally, but I hate legendaries since I Nuzlocke and like challenges. There are a few fillermon though (the fomantis line, that new water spider and the anemone look filler ish too). They probably know they can get away with selling a new game even if there were 25 new Pokemon in it.

>>29324998
Okay. You're playing it either way. They have you hooked enough into their franchise that you visit this board of the most autistically obsessed man-children into Pokemon. You're into it enough to have an opinion. That's what they want.

>>29324931
What I'm hoping for is that Gamefreak predicted that there would be leaks, and did a partial scrub on purpose so people would be disappointed, then get floored later by an announcement showing a Pokemon that wasn't even in the leaks

I doubt this will happen, but if it does I will be ecstatic

>>29324546
how was i shilling? all i said was just wait for the games to drop and see for yourself how many 'mons they have.think for yourself before hopping on the bandwagon/hate train.

>>29325053
>You're playing it either way.
You're bragging like this despite him pirating? Honey pirates don't make them money, you stupid little fanboy.

>>29325053
But I thought GF didn't care about the opinions of /vp/. I mean, that's what I hear from people like you every time someone criticizes their recent output.

>>29325059
>>29325011
But nobody on this board is buying SuMo.

Just read through the replies in this thread and you'll see that SuMo has received unanimously negative reception.

>>29325058
It's just as hard to believe that they'd reveal a gimmick like Alolan forms with a maximum of 16 in total. Palette swaps are not that hard to design.There are bound to be emerge more, and since they aren't in the data, I doubt they're there at all, at best they'd be released through free DLC on launch.

>>29325074
>bragging
You've been alive long enough to know what that word means.
>fanboy
Explaining why they do what they do isn't fanboyism, it's realistic. You're a knee-jerk shooting the messenger.

>>29325082
They clearly don't care about the opinions of waifufags and other sorts of mentally deranged individuals who are not really a large part of their overall demographic. I said, that you're here is a sign you're into the stuff they peddle.

>>29325137
>They clearly don't care about the opinions of waifufags
>just made a gen that's teetering on the edge of being its own moemon hack

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>>29325137
>Calls other people deranged.
>Is so deeply into denial he thinks GF are planning on releasing new stuff as DLC to circumvent hackers.
You smell like just the kind of person who'll be sitting right here with us criticizing S/M once it's out. You just have have that one tiny, silly little shred of hope that's going to be ripped from your hands on release.

>>29325101
This Dragon monk is the best mon in the Aloha dex.

>>29325053
>That's what they want.
>They want people who are into their material enough to pirate it and make them no money, but not into it enough to give them money.
Ridiculous.

>>29325159
That's speculation. People here think Roselia is sexually arousing, whether it was designed for that intent or not.

>>29325169
Denial about what, again? Does speculation make you uncomfortable, anon? And what did I explicitly state I had "hopes" for? You're reaching, and angry for some odd reason.

>>29325169
>>29325159
>>29325195
Glad that people are finally waking up to the SuMo blunder.

Who here is going to enjoy seeing SuMo tank in sales on its first week? Because I surely am.

>>29325137
$0.00000005 have been deposited into your account

>>29322741
Kommo-o is great though.

>>29325195
I don't even buy that you're not buying it, anyway.

>>29325217
Nice that Gamefreak pays me to admonish their Alolan forms as a gimmick and palette swaps Observant of you to notice that. lol

>>29325217
It's not going to tank. See >>29321327

Pokemon Go is too recent for that. If they continue on this path it'll start to hit sales only with Gen 8.

>>29325256
Just updated my firmware, friend.

>>29325277
Are you upset about something, friend?

>>29325312
You keep repeating that line to people, I get the vibe you're the one that's over-invested emotionally at this point.

>>29319671
Quite a few of the Kanto Pokémon have Alola Forms, and a few others have exclusive Z-Moves. The new is more prominent.

>>29325333
>You keep noticing people getting upset when you explain that they are on a Pokemon image board because they like Pokemon shit
>Y-y you're the upset one

Classic

>>29325365
You just said two things that show the new isn't prominent.

>>29325333
Nice try, we know you're sweating bullets after finding out that literally nobody on this board has a positive opinion on SuMo, if this thread is anything to go by.

>>29325366
>>29325312
Just let him keep frothing over the fact that the game he has been hyped for turned out to be the next Sonic 06.

>>29325430
Dude, are you stupid? I'm the guy saying S/M is disappointing, the guy you're patting on the back is the guy saying it's not. You're mixing people up.

>>29325430
I don't have a positive idea about only 73 Pokemon and 16 Alolan forms either, buddy. But for some reason you assumed that based on.. what exactly?
>Y-you're upset because... you think you know why Gamefreak is getting away with releasing only a handful of new Pokemon this gen and the last...??

Just because I'm not insanely butthurt about it doesn't mean I enjoy the dearth of new shit. Insert coin, try again.

>>29319712
Don't you have an opinion of your own? Holy shit what a grass.

>>29325430
So a board on 4chan, filled with people who either hate older pokemon, hate newer pokemon, fap to all the pokemon, or have internal gen wars, and is literally the ONLY place on the internet with an attitude toward Pokemon this negative while still having some obsessive stalker level need to know more and stick with it, has people on it deluded enough to think that we are sweating bullets or forthing over the shittiness of a game we still know little about?

You literally are a containment board. Go ahead and pirate all you want, throw fits all you want, say you hate the series and bitch and complain and say you'll ruin the series and that you are the only true fans. Meanwhile, the rest of the internet - or I guess shills - will keep handing Gamefreak tons of cash, happy with what they are doing, maybe some complaints but overall happy

I think I can leave this thread the winner because I know I'm happy and satisfied with the direction Pokemon is going, rather than being a person so obsessed with a game they hate that they keep playing and discussing it rather than putting it down and not picking it back up
Cya friends, I'm going to leave this dump for a while and go be happy

>>29326670
>this copypasta again

Honestly I'm more disappointed at how there are only 20 Alolan forms.
>inb4 b-b-but regional dex!!!
Why would Alola exclusives be limited to the regional dex?
Mythicals don't count because events have always been and will always be retarded

>>29319870
Yeah, hell no. Since it wasn't even comparable to Emerald I can pretend ORAS never existed, but I just wouldn't stand for a Sinnoh remake if it's going to be anything like that OR like upcoming SM even.

>>29327277
You know it will be, if they even bother with Sinnoh instead of skipping back to Kanto.

Gen 7
>Waifubaits
>Grass Pokemon
>With over half of them being waifumon, rest are cutemon
>Bland designs
>Literally only 3 truly good designs
>All of them are bugs

What a garbage fucking gen. Jesus, this gotta be the worst ever.

>>29319810
>Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

Learn to conduct yourself and maybe someone might care what you have to say.

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>>29327299
>WAHH! Why didn't Game Freak cater to MY tastes?!

>>29327299
Hit the nail on hs head. Expect a total flop during November

>>29326670
>using copypasta
Stay mad

>>29327459
Still triggered that No Man's Sky has officially been dethroned as the greatest blunder of 2016?

>>29320143
>dear
Go back to tumblr "hun"

>>29327481
>it's a blunder because of a vocal minority of manchildren don't like what they see

top kek

>>29327515
Youre delusional if you don't see the difference of public opinion between SuMo and XY ant this point in the pre-release cycle.

If anything, this solidifies SuMo's status as the most hated games in the series.

>>29327459
Yeah, because a dex almost purely consisting of waifubaits is better than you know, a dex that varies in designs and typings?

This gen is a badly build piece of shit. If you look at team threads, what you will see is that people have almost identical fucking teams with overlapping typings. This is because there are only a handful of good designs and even then those designs are similar in typings because this garbage-ass gen is so monotonous with its typings (durrrrr fairy hurrr grass durrr waifubaiting).

Shit gen.

>>29327567
>a dex almost purely consisting of waifubaits

Nice cherrypicking.

>>29327562

[citation needed]

>>29327567
Holy fuck.

How do SuMo shills even recover from this. Couples with the fact that this gen is getting shitted on everywhere now...

No Man's Sky, you got some competition waiting.

>>29327562
>If anything, this solidifies SuMo's status as the most hated games in the series.
It's not even out yet you fucking autist.

>>29327585
This thread is the only citation I'll need for what the public opinion is on SuMo.

>>29327599
>already universally hated without even being released anywhere in the world
That's quite an accomplishment

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>>29327608
>a bunch of children on 4chan are a good gauge of public opinion
How stupid are you?

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>>29327608
>thinking a thread on /vp/ represents public opinion

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>>29327576
The fact is waifushits and cutemon take a huge part of the dex. Not to mention these shitters are either FAIRY or GRASS. It's really easy to have over half of your team to be fairy because of how badly this gen is structured in terms of typings.

If it's not a waifumon, it's a cutemon. If it's not a cutemon, it's a bland piece of shit with a lame concept. Sure some of the bland designs are better than others, but that's what the rest pretty much are. Except the three only really good ones WHICH ARE ALL FUCKING BUGS.

People complain about ''Redditpod'', but it's one for a reason: it's the most popular one out of the three only good designs from the entire fucking dex.

Gen 7. What a piece of shit. And people are actually defending this shit.

>>29327760
Oh and the color code in pick related:

Red = Waifubait
Pink = Cutemon
Yellow = Top tier design
No ring = Bland/Shit (some for lesser extent)

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>>29327760
>unironically using terms like waifumon
>the only good designs are the ones I like

Your only valid point are the repeating typings.

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>>29327634
Thinking a thread on /vp/ represents /vp/'s opinion. Also, the poster count is less than 3 times than the number of posters. Inb4 spammed.

>>29327791
>he denies cold hard facts
Enjoy your precious SuMo Man's Sky, toddler

>>29327803
>posting a rigged poll

>>29327791
Waifubait/Waifumon, whatever the fuck the tem you want to use for those Pokemon, that dex has bunch of them. Even a retard can see that the shitty dex has a clear pattern in designs. There is hardly a variety. If you don't like cutemons or waifus, you are fucked in this gen because you don't have a lot to choose from.

The top tier gens also happen to be the most reoccurring team members in team threads. They clearly are some of the most popular designs around, if not the most popular. Especially Redditpod is the confirmed most popular gen 7 Pokemon.

>>29327845
>opinions are cold hard facts

Ebin.

>>29319478
>No good pokemon introduced since Gen IV

Damn...

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>>29327845
>If it doesn't support my argument it was rigged

People say that alola forms don't count but considering some alola forms have completely different types from their original forms, I'd say they almost count like totally new pokémon.
Like Flareon, it just shares semblances to the original one and the name but the type and probably stats and moveset are completely new.

>>29320860
>It's pretty clear their new approach is mixing old generation Pokemon with the new generation.

Yeah um we had that with XY. I don't wanna see old ones again in a NEW game in a NEW region.

It's funny because whem genV came out /vp/ would bitch non stop about too many pokémon.

To not talk about how there's garbage like the monkey trio occupying 6 (six) fucking slots and copypastas like Roggenrolla's line just for the sake of meeting the 150 pokémon quota.

>>29330058
>not making roggenrola line special attackers
I cried when i saw this

>>29329760
>If it doesn't support my argument it was rigged
If it works for Trump-sama, it can work for me

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>>29319453

>>29319491
>gen 6 and 7
>legendary trio

>>29327481
I got a good bet you're baiting, but just in case you aren't, feel free to cap this post. SM will not be a terrible failure.

I have my hand in the pulse of ''normies'' outside of here and most are growing more excited by the day. Don't reply to me trying to bait me because I'm going to take the biggest shit of my life in a second and then take a nap, but feel free to cap this. Regardless of if you consider SuMo to be good or bad, it won't flop, will be profitable, whatever, etcetc.

>>29330186
this.

>>29320511
Except that is was blasphemous back then and still is now.

>>29330058
>copypastas like Roggenrolla's line

Nice meme. I love how nobody complains about other gens having lines that mirror other gens with their primary types and number of stages but when gen 5 does it it's a crime, even when the counterparts look nothing alike. Apparently we can have a million three-stage Normal-type early birds or caterpillar-cocoon-butterfly lines but a second three-stage rock line that evolves by trading is somehow crossing a line.

Hey wait a minute, someone criticizing a perceived flaw in one gen while letting another gen get away with exactly the same thing? Why does that sound familiar?

>gen 5 bashers confirmed for being just as bad as genwunners and "inanimate objects can't be pokemon" faggots

>>29330104
We all did anon. We all did.

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5th gen was not bad compared to the 6th and 7th gen.
Heck it's possible that any new gen would be considered trash compared to the 4th and 5th gen.
Pokémon is going to be shittier.

>>29330300
I mean I have low stabdards, but fuck this is goddam afwul

New game.
New Region.
More Kanto mons than Alolan mons.
Fuck anyone that defends this. I want a new adventure with new Pokemon, I've been catching and training Kanto mons for 20 years game freak. I've had enough.

>>29324531
> Fugly Bruxish
>spooky Anchor with no face
>Dugtrio with a wig
>Golem terrorist
>Garfield Persian
>Rainbow Muk
>Quality
I don't care what they are based on they look like shit. I could name more shitty Alolan pokes too if you want.

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>>29327845
>SuMo

>>29330512
>I could name more shitty Alolan pokes too if you want.
Oh please do. We would love to see the last of the shills get destroyed by based anons using facts over feelings.

>>29330439
>>29330329
>>29330300
And people say SuMo isn't universally hated on /vp/.

>>29330820
That is the proper way to abbreviate it, yes.

>>29330276
>Apparently we can have a million three-stage Normal-type early birds or caterpillar-cocoon-butterfly lines but a second three-stage rock line that evolves by trading is somehow crossing a line.
this

>>29327494
Since when has grandma talk been a tumblr thing?

>>29331534
You honestly give off a vibe like you're false flagging people who don't like S/M.

>>29322746
God Gen 5 sucks so much. At least gen 7 has quality... mostly

>>29333119
I find it hard to believe people can hold this opinion. Gen 7 is at least half badmons.

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>>29319664
Or not

>>29320452
>>29320428
Member when Gen 1 wasn't pandered?

I member

>>29333347
I don't.

>kanto in gen 2
>remakes in 3
>all those cross gen evos in 4
>similarities to kanto mons in 5
>sleeping snorlax, kanto starters, mewtwo, and legendary birds in 6
>alola forms in 7

>>29319453
>0-1 new ice types without Kanto reskins
>0-2 new dark types without Kanto reskins

Thanks Gamefreak!

>>29333322
I want that so bad holy fucking shit

>>29333526
Not even remotely the same as what we're seeing now. Cross gen evos in 4 and even Megas were ALL gens, not just gen 1 cocksucking.

>>29333555
It's almost certainly a fake like the fire shroom was

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>>29319478
And 90% of them were good. But really, Game Freak are not the same company as they were 6 years ago. It's clear they're now trying to ease down on the Pokemon number because they maybe feel they're steaming ahead too fast. I just wish we got more Alola forms, there's no reason for there to be so little of them.

>playing demo
>running around the city
>Slowpoke
>Machamp
>Slowpoke
>Slowpoke
>Slowpoke
>Corsola
>Slowpoke

Amazing. In the Alola region and not a single Alolan mon in sight.

>>29319664
I'm glad.

>every pokemon needs to evolve into big and badass

Fuck off. Pyukumuku evolving would ruin it.

>>29333817
Single stagers are almost never viable.

>>29333712
Yeah, I feel like at this point it's okay to slow down a bit with the new mons. Hitting that four digit mark is intimidating as hell, and it can't be easy coming up with unique, interesting ideas that haven't already been used.

I really don't know why there are so few Alola forms, though. I hope they're just using this as a trial run, and if it gets received well they can make some bigger tweaks and improvements to some of the old mons.

>>29322746
most of those are fucking terrible. being unovabortion is a disease.

>>29333876
It's not. We get an anemic gen will barely any new content, barely any of what we get is even good, and all just because meaningless numbers.

>>29333701
The fire shroom was proven fake, the Komala evo wasn't

>>29320860
You have an inner definition of a quota too.

Is 30 enough? 10? How about none?

>>29333910

(You)

>>29335894
That's why I said almost. There's no proof it's fake, but it probably is.

>>29319453
With 72 and 73 NEW Pokemon introduced between XY and SM, I kind of think that SM should've just been Gen 6. In the almost 2 years between ORAS and now, I honestly think we should've gotten a spin off or a third sequel to the Shadow Pokemon series. That way, we could've had 145 new Pokemon, along with Mega evolution, along with regional forms, along with Z moves.

Really makes you think. What if we got Sun and Moon and was floored by the amount of new content that could've been introduced all at once?

>>29319453
>they literally forgot to make the 3rd legendary but remembered its shitty prevo

>>29320511
gentoo was literally gen 1.5

>>29336220
>implying a legendary that evolves isn't a fresh concept

we don't always need fucking trios

>>29333322
Awesome, but sauce?

>>29333830
There are some that were in their respective gens, but then later gens gave them evos anyways.

Maybe pyuku is one of those?

>>29336151
>I kind of think that SM should've just been Gen 6
>implying it's not 6.5

>>29336448
Outside of Eevee I think they're done giving pokemon new evos next gen after the backlash to 4. It's kind of an overreaction if that's the case, same as the small pokedexes might be an overreaction to 5.

But then again if they were actually that receptive to fan complaints you'd think they'd try and change things up after 6 being shit on for its tiny dex.

>>29336469
>what is reading comp

I was basically saying instead of having XY alone and then SM that we should've had XY and SM combined into one gen. But GF and Nintendo is incompetent, what with being stuck in the 80s when making decisions and all

>>29336485
>people got mad at Gen 5 for having only new Pokémon (and a lot of them) until postgame, claiming "muh Gen 1"
>GF listens and panders to old gens in Gen 6, having less new and more old
>"WHAT THE FUCK WHY ARENT THERE 100 NEW POKÉMON, STOP PANDERING TO GEN 1"
People are never happy

>>29337484
Those two groups are not the same. I, for example, loved Gen 5 for it, and hated Gen 6 for being anemic.

>>29337484
Much like the issue with the XYZ anime and why they split the next season into serious world-buildy Generations and goofy one piece shounen Sun&Moon, they have two very distinct groups who want mutually exclusive things.

Making a remake and a new gen every year was an attempted step in the right direction, but it's not enough to sate either especially when both groups assume both are meant for them.

Maybe if they went the Fire Emblem conquest route and made versions more different than just plot specifics and a few exclusive mon?

>>29338164
I could see that but then
>I want X Pokémon but it's in version B and I'm getting version A which is the hard one. I don't want an easy baby game!