/ptcgg/ Pokémon TCG/O General: Imakuni? Rises Edition

>>29281162
fucked it

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>When you play this card, you may remove damage counters when your opponent isn't looking. And no matter what they ask, pretend you don't know about it.
>This is the new red and even more polished Imakuni?. If you happen to see Imakuni? in the streets, always say "You look thinner than you do on TV."

>even bothering to make new threads while sun and moon news is coming out

>>29302550
This is why a discord would be nice. Thread won't survive in this climate.

>>29302634
No, let's start a kik group.

>>29302634
>>29302764

we already have a group up on fetlife

>>29302764
>>29302808
Can we nip this """meme""" in the bud and just put together a discord?

I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>29302978
No.

What you guys hoping the new ladder rewards going to be?

shaymin ex plz

>>29303617
Colress, because I'm missing one

>>29302764
>>29302808
>>29303419
Original kikfag here, you guys are assholes, but I zozzed

>>29303750
Why did you choose kik? What possible advantage could it have over Discord or at least Skype?

>>29303763
Because I'm a mobile user and it's convenient. And I have a lot of local friends using it.

I didn't expect a huge negative reaction, I'd be open to using Skype and Discord if I didn't think it would result in hostile doxing due to my suggestions.

>>29303790
Both Discord and Skype have mobile versions. They both also have browser versions, unlike Kik.

>>29303823
I didn't know that about Discord, thanks for the info.
Regardless, I'm no longer interested in meeting any of you.

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>Finally finished the VS Ladder.
>With 17 hours to go.

Well, time to twiddle my thumbs until we get the new ladder.

>>29303790
>>29303843
>It's convenient.

For you, but not for everyone else. Some of us have to use the free space on our phones for other things or don't have access to a smartphone. You should've done research on suitable platforms befor-

>"I didn't know that about Discord, thanks for the info."
>He didn't do any research on this BEFORE deciding on what communication platform we should use as an alternate.

And this is one of the reasons why /vp/, if not 4chan as a whole, hates mobile users.

>>29303974
Binder Guy, you're the thread's mascot. Why don't you put up a discord?

>>29303638
I wonder what the reaction of the community would be like if they ever make a ladder with 2 shaymin ex as rewards

>>29304030

Because it would just become a massive circlejerk and no one wants that. We're not /wfg/, you know.

>>29304080

Just a little less if they released Shaymin-EX in a tin.

>>29304080
Only poorfags would have a reaction. Competent traders don't really care about Shaymin at this point. The market's too saturated and the returns aren't as high as most other value cards.

So I guess the community reaction would be "eh?" just like with every other ladder reward. Until they start dropping HSSS/BW promos, the ladder's a waste of time.

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I miss my baby miltank

>>29304878
Looks memetastic.

>>29305001
You say that like you've never seen it before. It's a fucking Flashfire card.

>>29304878
3'11'' and 166 pounds wew lad

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>>29304878
Way better card from the same pack.

>>29304128
Eh, full art N was nice and so was full art Colress.

Due to them doing both sides of the Keldeo box now I think the next logical bet would be... Promotion of XY Evolution or a really old set to get in the mood of XY Evolution release.

Any predictions for the next ladder?

>>29303974
What purpose are you accomplishing by responding? We get it, mobile users suck.

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How should I expect to pay when trading for commons? What's the best way to do that?

Is medichan/carbink worth building on the current meta?

>>29308392
Commons?
You can buy multiple playsets for a single pack usually.

>>29308412
Not very. Too much setup for not enough payoff thanks to losing a bunch of the best fighting support. You don't even have a damage modifier item like muscle band or fighting fury belt anymore. You lost fighting stadium.

You'd need three of your four strong energy all on Medicham(or spend your entire turn only using giovanni as your supporter with two strong energy) just to knock out something with 170 HP. All four on a single medicham just to kill any mega.

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>>29304112
I'm from wfg (^:

Today is the card game's 20th anniversary. Japan's doing a Twitter based poll to determine which sleeves to re-release: http://www.pokemon-card.com/20th/campaign/#election

>>29309210
I need those Gardevoir ones, whoa...

>>29309210
Fuck, there are so many good ones.

>hexer
>substitute
>skyla
>cynthia

Fuck, too bad these won't ever be released in client.
I need some good sleeves actually IRL.

Maybe I'll import Hexer.

>>29309210
>no shiny magikarp
Damn those sleeves cost too much

I like these noivern sleeves and box from shop. whats the verdict on the theme decks?

>>29309913

Which theme decks? The HGSS ones?

>>29309913
Decks from the shop? They are all Terrible and inconsistent.

Save your tokens.

>>29309959
>save your tokens
>#RARE as fuck coins
nice trashpost desu

I have thousands of tokens, they are pretty worthless at this point. I guess a better way to ask that would be - are any of the cards in those decks useful for actual decks I can build. And if so, which cards.

>>29309998

I have almost 11,000 coins and I'm planning to spend them on tons of RS packs in a Shaymin hunt. That's an option to consider at least.

>>29309981
good call namefag. That steelix coin is sweet. I'll buy a deck just for that. May as well grab the Tyranitar while I'm at it.

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>>29309998
you missed worthwhile legacy cards
the previous decks had some
the only thing that might be interesting from these two decks are the two good rods from chaos control, but that card would be really niche for some weird as fuck list. you missed double collector for only 600 tokens.
if you don't know what to spend your tokens on get every deal at least once.
as soon as you max out on cards you'll start collecting coins, sleeves and other even more expensive shit and you'll hate yourself for not getting everything you could for JUST tokens.

>>29309981
The coins aren't included in the deck, it's arceus because fuck you.

>>29310162
wow really?
what a fucking ripoff my bad

Hey guys do you know how much all the shit in the Battle arena decks are worth? Karen? The coins? The deck boxes? I have 2 so I'm gonna sell all the stuff from the other one.

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>>29310884
This Battle arena deck to be more specific.

>>29310884
I have definitely seen the Promo Karen going for 3 Steam siege a piece in my trade feed more than once.

>>29310968
yeah but no-one in their right mind buys them at that. Presently there are tons of Karens for sale at 2 SS. Meaning they are worth less than that. 1SS. Maybe 1 and a chest.

>4 mulligans
>ok fuck you too RNG I'm just conceding
>goes through half a dozen more failed mulligan animations before allowing a concede with a single Shaymeme hand

>>29310920
In real card worth or ingame worth?

In game it's worth the price since Keldeo+Blastoise is a really strong deck in expanded along with Karen. It also has VS seekers, battle compressors, fisherman, etc

Out of game it's still worth the price but probably only barely. You can gut it to get most of the core cards for standard deck.
It's what I did with mine.

>>29311136
Ingame.

>>29311257
Then like I said it's worth it in game but only barely. If you want to be perfectly honest, you're better off buying a bunch of RS for the price you buy for the box if you're not planning on building an expanded deck.

The deck is 30 bux right?
You could get like... 40+ RS from ebay if you're diligent for that price and the RS could buy you all the core cards you need for a deck and then you could probably still buy one shaymeme.

>>29311314
*planning to build a physical deck

But expanded is also probably true since other than the cores a lot of this deck is expanded due to Karen buttfucking Nightmarch.

>only at 1145 on ladder

W-will I make it to the N bros?

>>29309210
I hope Skyla gets re-released
The last time I saw listings on eBay tbey were going $80+

>>29311456
What deck are you playing?

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Oh shit guys did I just make a huge mistake, I sold 2 pic related for 3 SS, I was checking the prices at Phantom Knight and I accidentally looked at wrong Rayquaza EX price thinking it was 1.5 SS for 1 but now looking again its actually 4SS?

>>29311699
Both dragon rayquazas are kinda poop.
Only the colorless one is actually kinda decent. Not that rayray is a good deck to begin with.

Also don't judge prices based on the price guide, they're inflated. Look at the market and compare what is being bought at a price and what has been sitting there for a while.

Slightly below the lowest price is the true value.

>>29311699
F

>>29311793
Right. I do check both, looking again someone was selling 1 for 2SS so my 2 for 3SS was just fine.

>>29310162
what a fucking gip.

>>29312184
You could buy them and try to prove me wrong but some anon showed it off yesterday I believe that they were both arceus coins.

>>29311549
I have multiple
-Volcanion
-Gardevoir/Xerneas
-M Scizor
-M Mewtwo
-Yanmega/Vespiquen
-Night March

Just don't know which is best

>>29311129
What the fuck are you playing senpai?

>>29312206
Just keep playing, realistically you probably can't grind 1k points in one day.

But more power to you anon, I'm sitting at 2600 or some shit myself. I always finish early due to aiming for 7 prize wheel winnings myself a day.

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What's your favorite meme deck in the current format?

>>29312379
How viable does the meme have to be?

My favorite deck is tied between Giratina/Darkrai and Scizor EX. Both are considered good decks but I think the former is the more consistently strong deck.

Down from that I'm a fan of using RainbowRoad and shit along with Gira/XernBREAK.

I'd make a Typhlosion deck if people weren't overpricing it to fuck.

>>29312379
Smogonbirb Break
It is fun and fast.

>>29312640
>Smogonfrog had a good deck
>Smogonbird is a nice starter option in a lot of decks

>Smogonsword only got to shine as a Night March tech

it's not fair

>>29302128
Are the physical imakuni cards really worth that much like you see on ebay? I really wanna get one or two, but most of the ones in good condition are really expensive.

>>29312421
It could be the shittiest deck in the world, as long as it is appealing to you.

>>29312421
Typhlosion is not overpriced. It's an extremely powerful deck

When do we find out the new versus rewards?

I know that the ladder resets in about 5 and a half hours, but I seem to remember last time that people knew the prizes beforehand.

>>29309981
>>29310162
>>29310226
http://forums.pokemontcg.com/topic/47687-hgss-theme-decks-temporarily-removed-from-the-shop-to-address-bugs/
Devs noticed and are going to add the coins later.

>>29313102
Sometimes, they post it on the forums, but people usually just look at the ladder right after it resets.

>>29313102
no we just predict it most of the time
just like how we are getting another FA bianca this time (^:

>>29313033
>extremely powerful
Lmao, just lmao dude.

It's literally one of the decks MOST prone to bricking in the game. It's a coin toss if you win, it's literally less consistent than the gyarados deck.

I like typhlosion too, the deck itself is ass.

>>29313408
Oh, that's good to hear. I'll buy them when it's fixed.

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Did we know before now that the EX boxes were just reprints? Looks like shiny M Gengar-EX will be stuck in expanded if it gets no standard Gengar-EX.

>>29313900
But M Gengar EX is shit.
Both forms actually.

Maybe if it's attack cost one less or it cost two colorless then maybe but jesus 3 psychic and a colorless is awful for shiny gengar and the other form is done better by non two prize pokemon.

So since Charizard from base is getting re-released in this set. Does it make it legal for the current rotation?

>>29314075
It's no where close to the same as the base one. I think the only identical pokemon is weedle.

>>29314191
Yeah, its not.

Firespine got a 100 damage increase and ontop of that it has 30 more HP.

Im guessing they are boosting some of the pokemon stats to compete against other stuff.

>>29311793
>Both dragon rayquazas are kinda poop.

Hold your tongue, child! RayEels is one of the more consistent decks in Legacy. I will, however, agree with you and say that it's not that hot in Expanded.

>>29313900

We've known about it for a while, Pokebeach posted a news article about it a month ago.

>http://www.pokebeach.com/2016/09/charizard-ex-dragonite-ex-and-mewtwo-ex-box-product-images

>>29314075

There are enough changes to the Evolutions version that, in essence, make them two different cards so I doubt it.

Remember that Computer Search had the same issue when it was reprinted in the BW block.

>>29314219
If they didn't, it'd be a completely worthless set. Even as such it's pretty mediocre. Best card would have been the blastoise but they decided to not release it.

>>29314270
oh shit I was thinking it might be good for legacy, I actually need legacy deck too, guess I'm gonna find the decklist and maybe get those fug's back lmao.

>>29314270
>>29314603
Also if you know a good RayEel list feel free to share.

>>29314647
Heres a list famalam:
Rays
Eels
Energies
Trainers
:^)

>>29314775
How could you anon! I gave you that decklist in secret!

Now I'll see it everywhere in client...

>>29314775
Heh, heh...thanks, kid. Constructing a deck right now.

How do you beat Primal Groudon?

>>29315009
By playing faster

>>29315009
The only Groudon deck I remember playing against was at a tournament last year when the only things I had enough of to make a deck was Mewtwo.

I hit it with a Mewtwo and it died.

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>Use 2 float stones
>Use 3 switches
>still get lysandre stalled

>>29314270
Is RayEels actually any good? I've got it from the Keldeo vs Rayquaza set and, while I would guess that isn't anywhere near optimised, it seems a pain in the ass to set up.

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Well, this thing is banned "temporarily", until the next patch ("early" Nov). Time to rev up those Scizor decks for probably 3 weeks.

>Volcanion EX banned from standard

Shit, I only just started and that was my only good card. What do I do now?

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>>29315276
>>29315277
Getting real tired of your shit, tcgo devs.

>>29315277
Theme Ladder>Coin Tourneys>Ticket Tourneys>Trading Packs

>>29315276
what for?

>>29315276
>volcanion banned

OH BOY, NOW I HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. I WILL RUN SCIZOR LIKE I NEVER HAVE RUN SCIZOR BEFORE!

>>29315381
Bugfix. Lysandre'ing a Pokemon off your opponent's bench would let you use Volcanion's attack again, even if you had just used it last turn.

>>29315511
>Lysandre'ing a Pokemon off your opponent's bench would let you use Volcanion's attack again, even if you had just used it last turn.

Sounds like the client is misidentifying Bench related stuff, that would work if your opponent was the one to use Lysandre and put your Volcanion-EX back into the Bench.

My local scene is standard, and my friend got me two of those Keldio/Rayquaza duel decks for the staples. They told me Raticate, Greninja, and Garchomp are good and cheap, but honestly I like meme decks. Seeing as "pokemon standard decks" doesn't get me shit on Google: what out there is good?

>>29315623
man I did that a lot at first so I wasn't aware of volcanion not being able to attack after using it on the previous turn
that explains a lot...
should have paid attention to the game.

>>29315276
Good, I was getting sick of seeing that shit every round.

>>29315777
Raticate and arguably Garchomp are kind of meme decks already
Depending on how shit you want to go, you can have the meme deck with Ariados on the bench (poisons opponents' active Pokémon) and Toxicroak (immune to poisoned Pokémon), the Vespiquen which deals damage based on how many Pokémon are in your discard pile (with the self-discarding Unown and Sycamores/Ultra Balls), the Weezing that Confuses and Poisons both active Pokémon alongside the stadium that makes just you immune to those statuses, or some shitty bench assault (Alakazam EX, Golbats etc.) with the Gengar that OHKOs from 30 damage upwards.

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wooooo

>>29316061
>his or her
i don't really get why cards do this kinda thing, why not just say their? gets the message across without trying to turn it into a paragraph because you need to hit a word count

What fire deck should be made to take care of the scizor-ex rampage famalam?

>>29316660
delphox :D

>>29316660
Typhlosion/Infernape

>>29316660
Vespiqueen/Flareon

>>29316697
Trash tbqh famalam, maybe with rare candy

>>29316734
>>29316883
Not bad ideas

I was thinking about houndoom-ex since its a 2 energy attacker

Oh shit, I was thinking to make Ray Eel's deck for Legacy since I don't have a single legacy deck, turns out I need 4 junk arms for that and those cost 10SS each and I can't afford that right now.

So can you guys recommend me a cheap legacy deck? I only have some of the staples from that I got from the HGSS theme decks.

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>>29302128

>Volcanion-EX banned.

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>>29312379
The only correct answer

>>29316007
Thanks familia.

>>29317158
Must be fun to brick as much as you win

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making a shit deck with volcanion and volcorona, im going to add burning energy but what else is good?

>>29316007
>>29315777
similar boat, what's a meme deck?

>>29317196
Honestly I think it is. I like the race against myself

>>29317248

Any deck /vp/ can't netdeck.

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>>29317515
Does the POkemon TCG have anything like MTG Salvation's format-specific primer boards?

>>29316146
Dunno, RPGs just alternate pronouns between paragraphs or sentences depending on how PC the publisher is.

>>29317559
From what I've read it's behind paywalls

>>29317586
>paywalls
That's fucked.

>>29317586
Someone here should make a non-jew website.

>>29317248
Not exactly competitive but for fun?

>>29316146
Just wait till the libtards sees this. They'll get pissed as shit and force TPCi to add retarded pronouns like xe xhe and some other retarded shit

>>29313787
He's not wrong - when it works, it is extremely powerful.

You don't need consistency for the purposes of climbing the ladder when it's this fast. You can brick every other game and still climb faster than using something tiered. The price is justified. Not IRL of course, but in the client, sure it is worth as much as it is.

>>29316146

Well, the first use of "his or her" / "he or she" began in the original Team Rocket set IIRC.

>>29318067

>Being this paranoid

That's a tinfoil hat, not an Exp. Share

>>29317559
what exactly is this? I've never played Magic, put it in pokemon terms.

Just made my first expanded nightmarch deck. Holy shit it's so easy to play. No one runs karen or anything

>>29318238
Doesn't translate to Pokemon terms, the basic mechanics are far too different.

>>29318347

I think he might meant Pokemon boards that have specific sub-sections that deal with separate formats such as Standard, Expanded, and Legacy (PTCGO only)

>>29318394
Naw, I think he meant the jargon, formats and forums aren't TCG-specific.

>next set looks like shit
>standard will be garbage for the next four months
shame

>ban Volcanion

Ha ha, time to play some Delphox Break to take advantage of all the Scizors.

>>29318631
Do we know all cards from the next set already? Also its Evolutions right?

>>29309210
Anyone have high-res images of these?

>>29319164

>Do we know all cards from the next set already? Also its Evolutions right?

Yes to both counts, Evolutions is basically the 20th Anniversary Concept Pack + CP6 Blister Promos + basic energies - Full Art EXs from the 20th Annivsersary Red & Blue Collection IIRC

>>29319164
Dragonite fits into Gard and Ray
Mewtwo can be teched against M Mewtwo
Brock might see use in RR, Greninja and Volcanion

Other than that every card is a joke, including the secret rares which are literal joke cards.

>>29319209
Electrode is kind of cute

What's your final Versus score?

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>>29319354
3880

>>29319308
It could be good if a pokemon ever gets printed that could use it and dominate a board. Right now the only choices are Raikou, who is mediocre and easy to kill, and Ampharos, who is even more mediocre, so giving up a prize every time you want to attack with them is shit.

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>>29319354
First time in months I've bothered getting past 1600.

>>29319354
2115, its usually higher but man I swear I spend so many hours doing the trades instead of playing once I learned about it.

>this fucking ladder

Holy fuck, this is some new level of worthless.

>pokemon fanclub full art
>toxicroaks
>not even the good gothitelle

Wew, well t-thanks.

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>new ladder rewards

Wait why did they remove the Unleashed decks from the shop?

Wow fuck these ladder rewards

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Is this worth it? I dont have scizor ex and kinda wanna start building a fairy deck.

>>29320059
no it isn't
those sylveon are worthless

>>29320059
No that's a retarded trade. Sylveon-Ex are worth less than a pack

>>29320059
Sylveon is half pack while M-Scizor FA is 6 packs.

You can look the prices here:
http://forums.pokemontcg.com/topic/37031-phantom-knight-trading-company-please-add-our-main-traders-to-your-friend-list/

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Every day, I think to myself: "I've got enough Straight Shota boosters for some shaymins. I should get some shaymins." Then, I win the next three or four games by Lysandre into shaymin and get cold feet.

Please, warm my feet up, sempai. Tell me bout the wonders of shaymin. How it has won the game for you while being on your side and fetching you nice things or how you keep them from being a liability without adding more cards into your deck.

>>29320240
oh wow. Well does anyone here want him for anything, preferably fairy.

>>29320240
>M-Scizor FA is 6 packs.
lol

>You can look the prices here:
>Links TC
LOL

>>29320353
Look at tournament results.
Notice how every single deck in Orlando's Top 32 runs a pair?

Now ask yourself, do you think the winners of the game's biggest regional ever are smarter than you?

>>29320353
That's why you parallel city yourself and discard them.

>>29320240
>Using a trading company to decide prices
Tbqh famalam, trading companies only price for their advantage for profit, the real price is in the actual market itself

>>29320359
Are TCs the autists who snap up my trade in under 30 seconds when I fuck up and offer a pack for a single common?

>>29320382
Shaymin is a great card, but players tend to over aggressively use them. Same with all draw supporters. They think "Oh, I should use this to draw because it's here" rather than "I wonder if this is the correct turn to use this tool." They also don't manage energy or other resources for retreating or whatever with the shaymin they overextended with, and often lose two prizes because of it.
Shaymin is a bad card for a lot of bad players. But it's a good card for a lot of good players.

>>29320353
You don't really grasp how good shaymemes are until you use them yourself

Does anybody have a Gardevoir EX they are willing to trade?

>>29320564
fuck you

hahaha, time to not play this until evolutions comes out

Don't really mind the mediocre ladder prizes this time. A bit snowed under with uni work and I have exams over the next 3 weeks. Should be able to focus more on trading, rather than reaching 2000 points. 1670 is the target.

Had to make an exception for FA N last ladder though and fell behind a bit in my studies to make sure I got it. Not convinced PFC is worth the effort.

>>29320439
I see. Bad energy management is the reason why Malamar wins me near every game against a tiered deck. So, I can assume how the shaymin play into this: People netdecking without understanding how shaymin actually works as support, or somesuch, so it gets them into a jam instead of helping.

I think I'll get a couple soon and see how they work.

I made a neat little profit trading memes, it's time to settle down until evolutions comes in

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Oh, yes.
This is the kind of card that makes you wanna grind.

>>29321357
You can reveal your secrets for us since you are going to have a break :^)

I could use something better than making small profit literally chest at a time.

>>29321539
Nah famamama

>>29321523
It's worth like 2 packs.

>>29321539
You can buy 8 [redacted trainer tech card] for 1 pack and sell 2 of them for one pack

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>>29321539
sell cards for more than you paid for them

>>29321539
>Look for uncommon or common card everyone under the sun wants
>Preferably belongs to a few common decks
>Check prizes and make sure there is a market
>Try to trade for a shitload of them for a pack
>reduce amount by 2 or 4 everytime the trade drops
>Once you have a stock, sell them for close to the market price while allowing for a profit margin

Remember to have your fingers in more than one pie at a time and everything will be fine.

>>29321539
Right now good targets are Gyarados aor or Typhlosions.

>>29321681
Now that you said it they aren't.

>>29321701
>>29321539
I was trading trash rares for Talonflames, and then Talonflames for 1 Roaring Skies pack. It was okay for a bit. Slowed down since latest regional

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>>29321681

>tfw doing irreversible damage to the markets for a quick buck

Next new Ariados? let's go boys

I would spend time jewing for profit but outside of SR Ultra Balls there's hardly anything I need.

>>29321868
Have you built for Expanded? Legacy?
Have you finished any sets? What's your BSP collection looking like?
SRUB is a meme at this point, 150 RS can get you so much shit.

>>29321868
instead of spending time in game,it's better to do this in real life with money.

>>29321912
The only Legacy deck I don't have is CelebiGen and I am not dropping 60 RSK for 2 cards I'll use in exactly one deck, especially when Weavile is better.

I don't need any promos that matter besides Beach but fuck Beach.

The only FA supporter I don't have a playset of is Colress and I never like to run more than 1 anyway and Cheren who sucks.

Don't care about set completion, I'm still missing the regular art Gards from SS.

The only thing I could feasibly spend packs on are SR trainers I don't have 4 of but I'd rather hoard anything good for the future. If I want something I usually just blow my stockpile of Generations.

>>29321673
That's what I've been doing, I'm making good profit but I'm sure there is something I don't know yet, like some EX pokemons or something for bigger/faster profit, those ones I haven't figured out yet.

Oh and it's my fifth day of doing the trade shit and so far I have made following profit: 48 SS, 1 RS, 13 Chest and I have bought some pokemons for about 10SS, so that's over 10 packs profit a day, I'm satisfied, what about you guys, how much do you make per day?

>>29322174
I make 8-12 packs a day usually.
I could make more but I've ran out of ideas for cards.

>>29322174
I made around the same and I was thinking about moving on to bigger game too but it's just time consuming and like >>29321868
I just don't really need anything.

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I don't usually ask to rate my deck nor even show my decks here but about legacy I just have no idea.

So rate my first legacy deck? That's pretty much all I have for legacy, I got lucky getting Smeargle and Cleffa from like 3 Call of Legend packs, Cleffa is really funny little supporter and so far the deck seems solid, I guess those Junk Arms could make this deck even better but I can't afford them right now, instead I just slapped some Moo Moo milks there lmfao.

>>29322174
25 packs If I trade all day.
HELP ME, I waste almost 400 coins in trades daily, I just climbed the last ladder to feed the trading machine.

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Gentlemen, how can we make Sceptile work in this new standard?

>>29322349
> I waste almost 400 coins in trades daily
Yeah, coins are honestly the biggest limiter for trading.

>>29322352
Running it with m scep makes for an interesting meme deck.

>>29322352
Make Greninja the best deck in the format.
Bring back laserbank.

>>29322029
>The only Legacy deck I don't have is CelebiGen
>I don't need any promos that matter besides Beach but fuck Beach.
You have a deck for every Legend and Prime? You've built the regionals rogues from BW era?

>I am not dropping 60 RSK for 2 cards I'll use in exactly one deck
Genesect/Celebi runs 3-4 Celebi nowadays.

>>29322294
Moomoo Milk is bad
Cleffa is bad here and you should be using Smeargle instead
Level Ball should be maxed
Where are your 4x Junk Arms?
Reversal, Energy Search, and 2x Scrapper are bad without Junk Arm
You don't need Switch AND Float Stone, especially in those quantities and when you're running Keldeo

>>29319484
You can meme with Pikachu-EX.

>>29322581
Why on Earth would I waste packs on useless cards? If I want to meme in Legacy I'll meme with Liepard.

>>29322817
Because you just said you had everything short of SRUB?
Because they're not useless cards, they won regionals in their time for a reason?
Because you're easily at a point where you've exhausted all the obvious meta builds?
Because they're usable, fun, and mostly inexpensive?

>>29323178
I said I don't give a shit about completion percent. I'm not going to hunt down awful cards and dump RSK, HGSS or PLF on them just because. I'd rather save my stash for future sets or if someone puts up a FA Darkrai for a good deal or something.

I have all the viable Prime decks and all Legend decks suck horribly. I'll never use shitty decks like Lugia Legend or Mew Prime to justify wasting packs on them.

>>29322657
>not reading my whole post and replying
I can't afford those junk arms atm. later surely I'll buy them.

Moomoo milk is just a meme that helps a little bit, I don't really have anything else to put there, I guess I could swap few for more level balls, I haven't had any problems setting up those Eels though.

Switch is for that fucking Snorlax deck, I had just one that was there because I just copied the list from somewhere, then I lost to Snorlax twice and actually added another one, but even that might not be enough against that deck.

>>29323488
Why do you only have those packs? Why aren't you also stocking up on MCP considering how much easier and faster it is to accrue?

Either way, there's nothing else for me to say. If you don't want to build fun, usable decks, then don't. I figured if you were at a point where you could *choose* not to have SRUBs, you'd want to actually collect and use everything the game has to offer. Why'd you even invest that much time into the game if you don't want to actually play it?

>>29323626
Because they aren't fun or usable decks and I'm not autistic enough to spend all my fucking time sorting through trades for shit I don't need when i already have a large enough stockpile of packs.

>if you don't play 24/7 with every possible deck you don't deserve your full arts
Some people actually have other things to do with themselves.

>>29322352
Get mewtwo from the next set to ocunter its mega.

>>29323694
>Because they aren't fun or usable decks
Subjective, which is why I said there's not much to say. You do you.

>I'm not autistic enough to spend all my fucking time sorting through trades for shit I don't need when i already have a large enough stockpile of packs.
What are you saving the packs for? If you can choose not to buy SRUB, you're set for the next two years easily.

>if you don't play 24/7 with every possible deck you don't deserve your full arts
Who are you quoting?

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Thoughts on this? I usually like buying a booster box every time a new set releases but I'm not sure about this one.

>>29324082
Absolutely not

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>Opponent runs 4 double energies
>I'm running hammers
>I can get my hammers back every single turn
>He sycamores his backup yanmega breaks before realizing this

>>29324136
sableye must be fun

>>29322174
>how much do you make per day?
maybe four packs? I'm super casual about it. If I'm building a specific deck and I know I need packs I can up that to 20. But typically just a nice easy turnover slowly.

>>29324082
Depends. It's a shit set but some collectors may go crazy over the reprints. I'm sure prerelease Charizard will be 20 bucks. The FA mega starters are sure to be valuable, the rest not so much.

Who else here mass drops their MMR by spamming concede in ladder for like 30 mins then proceed to roflstomp kids with Nightmarch or something that's ridiculously fast to quickly grind ladder points?

30 second games are fun

>>29324082
You get a Crisis Vine Vena on Tcgo, holla at your boy.

>>29325423
Not intentionally, but you get enough mulligan RNG into solo Hoopa starts and you just kinda get there naturally.

>>29324082
Absolutely not.

Would it be possible for one guy with enough packs to buy up most of the stock of something like Scizor EX and completely fuck the market?

>>29326764
Only seen it done with Ariados.

>>29324082
I'm holding a booster draft at my league so I'm just going to end up getting the leftovers.
I expect it'll draw a lot of people in, at least.

This is the third time I fought a high draw power vespiqueen deck with only 4 double colorless as energy and tech yanmega.

Why? It doesn't seem like a good combo for these two to be in the same deck. They don't do anything for each other and yanmega can't attack consistently without dedicating a good portion of the deck for it, while vespiqueen needs a good portion dedicated to her as well.

>>29327336
That specific combo topped Worlds.

Neither card requires dedication. In fact, it's the opposite; Vespiquen is a cheap late game attacker, and Yanmega is a fast early game attacker, neither of which require any additional resources to function.

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Could someone explain to me why multiple online shops are suddenly selling VS Seeker at sub $4 apiece, with 60+ copies in inventory? What happened to make people unload it en mass? I know it's not out of rotation, since it got a reprint in Roaring Skies.

>>29327372
It was reprinted in the Keldeo vs Rayquaza Battle Arena Deck, where you get two of them.
Much like the older Battle Arena decks, this product is very much in stock and probably will be for another few months.
VS Seeker is also supposedly getting another reprint in the S&M Premium Collection due Q1 next year.

>>29322352
Use it with the meme spiders :^)

>>29327361
I guess it just doesn't work for retards who netdeck everything. Because, the Impression I was getting is that the deck is complete ass.

>>29322352
>>29327440
Ariados is actually a trap. Unseen Claw already OHKOs big basics, and 140/150 is bad math outside of specific Balloon situations. Ariados also has no real synergy with Sceptile outside of its typing, which is bad since FOGP isn't justifiable and Revitalizer isn't good in an EX deck outside of a tech option. It's better the M Sceptile build, but that's outside the point.

Sceptile doesn't need poison to proc its secondary effect. Instead, consider Hypno + Chaos Tower. The math goes unchanged and now your opponent misses half their attacks.

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>early november
ha-ha-ha

>>29326909
:D

Buy my spiders friends

Why do I enjoy playing houndoom mill so much?

>>29328939
Because mill is almost viable in this game. The only deck reset is banned and the only other recourse is super rod. It isn't like MTG where mill just gets run over by aggro and things.

Got my fingers crossed we'll get Imakuni?'s Doduo

>>29309210
>http://www.pokemon-card.com/20th/campaign/#election
gotta go with number 9, that's Tomokazu

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>tfw 500 points away from N
>got busy the rest of the day and couldn't finish the ladder

>>29328959

There is Karen.

Could this ladder be any worst? Teammates is the best card you get from it...

>>29330536
Just like every other ladder.

>>29330555
Last two ladders were pretty good though

>>29330567
They didn't have anything any more or less valuable on them.

>>29330580
Yes they did.

They had full art N and full art Colress.
Also there was Keldeo and rayray which were both viable cards for standard/expanded.

This ladder is full of literal memecards that aren't even good to meme with.
I literally never even run Fan Club, why would I when I have shit like Brigette which is better at filling your bench and more versatile?

If you're looking for EX cards you run Hoopa.
Fan Club is really mediocre.

>>29330887
>full art Colress

What? Ladder before N was Winona. Iris before that iirc. Not sure why you think they had Colress.

I agree with your point though. This ladder is pretty poor - I'm just going for the packs/chests/tokens.

>>29327588
That makes sense. Would M-Sceptile even be considered as a one of in the deck, or just pure lizards?

>>29330956
Coulda sworn there was a Colress, maybe I was getting it mixed up with Ghetsis.

Regardless, the other ladders had viable mons. Hell, even the Blastoise were viable because of Deluge, even if the rest of the evo line was mediocre.

Now to be fair, Winona ladder was really mediocre abut Winona is... Okay.
Iris was acceptable because she's cute.

This ladder doesn't even have a waifu full art or any usable cards at all.

>>29331019
>Now to be fair, Winona ladder was really mediocre abut Winona is... Okay.

But you just pointed out that Rayquaza is viable. Rayquaza was on the Winona ladder.

That ladder was good for me as I play Raticate BREAK, so I actually have a use for Winona.

>>29331063
I get the ladders mixed up in my head unless I have them right in front of me in a tab.
I honestly forgot rayray was Sept.

Honestly we're probably a little spoiled too but not having even one viably good card is disheartening. I would have loved a FA Brigette.

>playing to utter dead hands
>utterly getting butt flustered from the dead hands and no energy
>enemy milling his deck down as I lysandre his mons and discard his energy with hammers
>he eventually puts down like 4 energy down on 2 pokemon in one turn with his magnezone
>lysandre his octillery to the field
>he concedes

I was almost mad but man, glad I dodged that.

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Vikavolt – Lightning – HP150
Stage 2 – Evolves from Charjabug

Ability: Strong Charge
Once during your turn (before your attack), you may search your deck for a [G] Energy and [L] Energy and attach them to your Pokemon in any way you like. Shuffle your deck afterwards,

[L][C][C][C] Electrocannon: 150 damage. Discard 3 Energy attached to this Pokemon.

Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: Metal (-20)
Retreat: 3

>>29333212
Neat! Definitely one of the better cards to be revealed.

>>29333212
Make Dragonite Great Again

>>29333212
Do the frames change every generation?

>>29333212
Really really niche attack due to how much you have to discard but has a really friggin good effect.

Could see it in a rare candy deck.
Too bad there's no variant of Maxie/Archie for electric pokemon or this would be an A++ card to combo with it.

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>>29333212
Seems pretty good.

>>29327588
But poison is good for muh bonus damage famalam, and how it feels good when theres a chance the mon gets knocked out at the starting of your turn

>>29333362
It would be great if [G] and [L] weren't pure dogshit right now
Literally no good partners, unless Lurantis ends up being nuts (it won't) or we get something good (we won't)
It's unusable on its own

>>29333822
half the reason grass is shit is the lack of acceleration. This could make some unviable cards viable.

>>29333554
I mentioned that. The math doesn't check out. You're already doing 130 damage before poison, which OHKOs Big Basics and relevant Stage 2s. Bumping that to 140 or 150 after poison isn't doing anything. The only relevant matchups are Xerneas/Yveltal Break (150), Zoroark Break (140), and Magnezone (140), none of which are particularly huge enough threats to justify it.

On the other hand, Ariados is good with M Sceptile since it bumps 100 damage to 110, letting you 2HKO Megas. But that can be considered a separate deck entirely.

>>29334180
>half the reason grass is shit is the lack of acceleration. This could make some unviable cards viable.
What specific current cards would benefit from acceleration?
Considering this Vikavolt only accelerates one [G] at a time, how is this any better than M Sceptile EX or PRC Sceptile?

>>29334180
>half the reason grass is shit is the lack of acceleration
What is forest of giant plants and revitilizer

>>29334504
Neither of those cards attach energy. Make sure you didn't buy fakes with the wrong text on them.

>>29334526
I only play the online version, I don't care about Irl fakes :^)

>>29333212
Neat that it let's you do goofy things like power up Jolteon-EX or Giratina-EX in one turn using the ability + your energy attachment. Since grubbin is grass, there's a chance charjabug and the vikivolt in the set itself are also grass and can use forest of giant plants.

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1-PIKACHU-4U

>>29334455
>M Sceptile EX
it's not an attack, it doesn't give up two prizes
>PRC Sceptile
it does two attachments

the differences are negligable depending on the build, but it's definitely better in a lot of cases. some kind of build with any of vileplume, galvantula, giratina, other dragons, venusaur-EX, jolteon, baby ampharos, raikou. we'll see what more cards SM brings. grass and lightning are both in need of some love from the designers lately and it looks like they are going to get it.

>>29335210
He's a big basic.

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>>29335210
Thanks senpai

>>29335210
Wonder how long this code is good for.

I mean sure it's a shitty locked basic but it's an EXCLUSIVE SHITTY LOCKED BASIC.

>>29336141
I want Zach to smug at me not some generic feminist everytime I get a shit card

>>29333822
M Venusaur

>>29336247
I miss Zach when cracking packs. He made it worth it to open a Unfezant for the 100th time

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>>29336208
its not exclusive I have eight copies of it.
must have been in some deal before this

>>29338135
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pikachu_(XY_Promo_95)
Breakpoint single blisters. I must have missed that bundle.

>>29328959
>It isn't like MTG where mill just gets run over by aggro and things.
Mill can get past aggro.
The problem is everyone who isn't dredge has an Eldrazi in the sideboard now.
For those not in the know, Dredge likes have tons of things in the graveyard, and the big Eldrazi have "When [THIS CARD] is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library."

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>opponent goes all in setting his octillery when I have garbodor set up

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>>29340036
>opponent uses ultraball with only two other cards in hand
>one is a sycamore
>grabs a shaymeme
>garbo was out and floatstoned the whole time

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>>29340403
>opponent uses meme frogs against sceptile ex
>He would've given me a hard time if he used shadow stitching to disable the meme spider but he never did

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>when your meme deck keeps beating tiered shitters.

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>>29341771
>when you hit the Assist without Victini and kill Genesect and then hit it again to Volt Bolt the benched Jirachi

Should we do like a canned chat code to know if we're from this general?

I was thinking just spamming You have a nice deck or something

>>29289595
I don't think so, since they are using the current trainer design

>play two hoopa
>start 1
>other is prized

Why does this happen so much?

>open tradelocked pack
>get a Shaymin-Sky
>don't have enough packs to even remotely afford another
>tfw
On the upside, I got an Octillery from a different pack that I opened for shits and giggles. What are those going for these days?

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>>29342162
>tfw chat is broken
>can't meme at shitters
>can't try to help the clearly bad
>can't even chat with people

>>29342814
Why would they do this?
I don't think the community was any different from what you would usually see online.

>>29342780
1 shaymin works fine.

>>29342814
I didn't think it would effect me, but I actually do enjoy the game less.

>>29342926
In a non-meme deck, maybe. I'm running a Sceptile-EX/Octillery/Gengar poisonous deck. I'm running Forest of Giant fucking Plants, Escape Rope (gotta get Gengar outta there so Sceptile can work), Professor's Letter (nothing takes more than 2 energy but I'm only running 13 total), and fucking Gengar. I would put Raticate-Break in there, but I can't find the space. I don't know what the fuck this deck is, but I can't cram a Shaymin-Sky in there.

Seriously, though, am I cheating myself to trade my Octillery for two Steam Siege?

>>29342626
Happens about as much as the game giving me one and only that in my starting hand (5 games in a row.)

>>29343101
>I can't cram a Shaymin-Sky in there.
Yes you can.
It's good enough for that.
Remove one energy.

>>29316146
In super old school Magic it was a problem. If it says "his," that means it doesn't apply to female players. If it says "their," that implies it refers to more than one player. I heard people got away with things like that until they put errata on all the cards.

>>29343134
Fuck it, I'll just throw it in. Can't hurt. Probably.

>>29343154
I can see some grognards doing that.

>>29343101
>Octillery
I'm retarded. That's Ariados.

>lose because I had to sycamore all 4 VS Seekers on turn 1 again

I fucking hate this game's shuffling.

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Cool cards bro, wanna trade for my Venusaur?

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>>29343723
lmao dood. Get wit' the times.

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>>29343723
>mfw I get idiots like this trying to sell their horribly damaged Base Set cards for 30+ bucks and they respond with disgust and/or anger when I tell 'em either can't buy 'em because of said damage or I'll only buy a few key cards in a 5 buck lot.

Jesus, if you want those prices for your shit then you should've treated them with more respect.

And sell 'em on eBay if you want them to go for that price.

>>29312379
This meme looks exquisite to a new player. Should I buy a pair of Machamp tin codes to get myself a full set of Machamp Ex? $5 seems cheap enough for some quick fun

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>want to start collecting again
>realize that there are 70 sets now
>also realize that there are cards that are only available in the boxes or at prereleases that are different from the actual card included in the set
>also realize that there are $10000+ cards from back in the day that I will never be able to collect

nevermind then

>>29344193
Just collect common/uncommon/rare cards of all 721 (soon to be more) Pokémon. Just choose your favorite art of each

>>29343898

Machamp-EX is really cheap in-game. Just trade for some if you want to try it out.

>>29344193
you're right too. collecting is an autistic waste of cash that could be spent on RL shit left girlfriends or art classes.

but if you want to collect anyway, pick one set. Or pick your fave pokemon and try get all version of just that. Some guy posts in these thread has a sweet Mew collection.

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So, anyone else thinking of running Slowbro-EX in expanded?

>200 damage for 3 energy on turn two
>pretty negligible grass weakness

The issue being the confuse shit but that's easy to work through with some support cards.

>>29344828
Really? At $2 a pop for the Machamp Ex tin that comes with 4 packs it doesn't seem absolutely terrible. Are the packs from the tin worthless since they're no longer standard?

>>29345051

The Machamp-EX tin code only redeems for a deck that focuses on Machamp-EX, you don't get packs from that code because the packs in the tins have their own codes.

>>29344877
I'd rather run mega audino.

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>>29344193
>also realize that there are cards that are only available in the boxes or at prereleases that are different from the actual card included in the set

No one has ever been able to collect every single Pokemon card. It's madness.

The best you can do is start small, buy a few packs here or there, and see how you like it.

I started around the XY packs because I wanted the Full Art cards of Blastoise, Venusaur, and Charizard. After that I was hook.

Hey, you never know, one day you might get your hands on a very rare card worth something.

The rarest card I have is Plasma Storm Charizard, and a Mis-print of AO Kyorge EX with the wrong holo foil.