>gen 5 had more new pokemon than 6 and 7 combined

>>29242397
Only about ~70 of those were good. Stay mad

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>Gen 1 had more Poison type Pokemon than all other Gens combined

>>29242416
And only about 5 were good in XY.

gen 5 truly confirmed for best gen

>>29242397
literally cancelled preorder

just gonna go with a9lh for this one

>most of them were just used to replace other older mons before the postgame
What I like about XY and SM is that most of the new Pokemon they brought don't feel like pointless filler and actually bring something new to the table.

>>29242460
>most of them were combined with grass

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Yea and a lot of them were shit.

>>29242461
DELETE THIS

>>29242536
what are you talking about dude XY was 90% useless filler

>>29242397
>gen V still managed to be worse than VI

>>29242537
Not as many as Gen VII.

>>29242397
Gen 7 has dancing bird which has 4 forms with different typing, look and appearance but only counts as 1 pokemon
Gen 5 has three monkey recolor with only 3 typing taking up 6 dex numbers

>>29242461
You serious m8, or are you part of the under aged Unovafags that invades vp with a echo chamber of hating XY?

>>29242537
Most of gen 7 new mons are shit too, with the newly leaked ones included

hell, ALL ubs except for two and ALL legendaries except for the two box ones are shit already

most alola formes are shit

gen 7 is doomed

>>29242588
I don't think there's 18 bad pokemon this gen.

>>29242537
>Crossing out ducklett but not the ice cream
Confirmed to be a goddamn jigaboo

>>29242618
Can you read

>>29242590
this

>>29242537
>not crossing out the pidove line

For shame

>>29242609
>Unovabortions invading /vp/

Literally how new?

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>>29242416
You mean 140.

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>>29242397
Gen 7 just made me think how many shitty and useless pokemons there been in past gens. Thanks GF removing the all the weak and useless cancer that we don't want.

>>29242590
You can equate that to Sawbuck that changes in the season

Monkey's are shit, but they're different Pokemon

>>29242668
Unovabortions are some of the worst people on here.

Not a day goes by that people don't laud BW2 as the end all be all of greatest pokemon games

>>29242696
>tumblr

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>>29242397
Gen 6 alone had more better designed Pokemon than Gen 5.

Also. Why did you use a Gen 3 Pokemon in the image? Because Gen 5 mon are shit right?

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>Gen 5 had more shit games than 6 and 7 combined

>>29242610
Please follow take a noose, tie it around your neck and a bridge and jump

>>29242696
>tumblr
>oras

fits this shitty post

>>29242725
It's almost like BW2 were good games.
That can't be said for your precious XY.

>>29242725
Yes, but they didn't invalid /vp/

They've been here for a long time

>>29242752
end your life shit taste guy
>but I really like all these cool new digimon UBs xd also alola persian and geodude line iz super cool!

>>29242761
>Your precious XY
Who the fuck said I loved XY.

I just like it better than BW

I'm a hoennbaby but I've been playing since gen 1

>>29242809
>hoennbaby
So your opinion is irrelevant?
At least you admit it.

>>29242834
Says the unovabortion

>>29242537
You could get rid of half the dex and still get more good designs than gen VI and VII combined.

>>29242416
All 70 here aren't even good

>>29242537
Looking back, there sure are a lot of duds in this lot, and it's especially painful because it's the only gen where not a single starter is salvageable. And goddamn why were all of those legendaries shit except the tao duo?

Don't get me wrong, there's good and bad in each gen but fucking hell you can't say with a straight face that the bad don't outweigh the good designs by A LOT in unova.

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>>29242725
Because it's true.

>>29242842
He's false flagging you faggot

>>29242725
/vp/ was made during Gen 5, you fag

>>29242725
well it is true

Post more Gardevoir reactions, I haven't fapped in tha last 10 mins

>>29242537
Gen 5 mons don't even exist to me nowadays desu. It was just all bad. Hope they don't remake it.

>>29242859
Barring starters and legendaries/mythicals, I liked 90% of the dex. The 10% being tose fucking monkeys.

>>29242809
>Hoennbaby
>since gen 1
Pick 1

>>29242761

> had to buy gen 5 twice for it to be good

wew

>>29242859
>the only gen where not a single starter is salvageable
Gen 6, 7.

>>29243085
Hoennfag who started in gen 1 then.

>>29242882
>unironic hoennbaby calling anything else shit
No, fuck you. You don't speak for me.

>>29243114
>not liking Robinhoot
Gen VI I kinda agree but it wasn't as bad still.

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Gen V is

PERFECT
E
R
F
E
C
T

>>29243177
Gen 3 was the best gen and while gen 5 had some good pokemon the overall gen was shit

>>29242397
dumb gardeposter

>>29243020
What happens when you come across a 5th Gen Pokemon then?

>>29242749
>>29242696
>>29242570
>>29242537
>>29242416
>>29242397
5 also has more quality mons than either gen, not to knock them, though. Just facts.

>>29243296
>overall shit gen

Not him but why? It literally had more breeding innovations than gen 6 if you sight that as gen 6 being good

>>29242859
>but fucking hell you can't say with a straight face that the bad don't outweigh the good designs by A LOT in unova.

Yes I can, because what you say is so fucking false it'd be hilarious if not for the sad fact that you and other faggots out there actually believe this.

The good did outweigh the bad, and that is the objective truth.

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>>29243341
Oh look. Gen V mons conveniently left out in group shots.

Daily reminder Unova is best gen and has best dex.

>>29243342
Unova haters are mentally retarded anon.

>>29243445
man zigzagoon continues to be one of the best mons ever

>>29243398
This
>>29243497
And this

they probably just rushed through the game/didn't play it

But they like Kalos because you can do that and no one cares

>>29243445
>implying Alain didn't use 2 Unova Pokemon and non from Kalos

It is the black sheep though, probably because it turned away normies

>>29243224
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXMVdtCD_8Q

>>29243520
I played it as much as I've played any other game, I thought the city/nature gimmick was stupid and the region was kind of underwhelming.

The gym leaders were universally hot garbage outside of drayden, iris, and elesa

>>29243342
Not him, what breeding stuff did it have, actually? It's the one gen I actually never bothered with that stuff.

>>29242460
>based gen 1 gave us lots of best type
>nugens just give us dwaguns and furbait
Take me back to the celadon city where the gym is grass and the girls are pretty

>>29243591
>ITS ALL CRAP HURR DURR

See what I mean mentally retarded.

>>29243648
>People who don't like gen 5 didn't play it
>Here's why I didn't like it
>I AM SILLY
unovabortions, people

>>29243598
Iirc introduced Destiny knot where 3 IV's are passed down (X and Y had it increased to 5)

Everstone permeant let passes down nature

Instant egg hatching in Join Avenue

First Flying Flame Body Pokemon

Leveling up weaker mon's quicker

And a few more things

>>29243591
What does that one town have to do with anything?

Also you didn't say anything, you just said it was underwhelming and that other gym leaders were "universally hot garbage"

>>29243668
>this was stupid, this was underwhelming, and this was hot garbage

"Here's why I didn't like it"

Do people nowadays think they're being constructive because they didn't use the word "shit"?

>>29243398
>being this salty about people not liking most of the unova dex

Guess it's true what they said about unovabortions. Suit yourself, I even think that BW2 is the best game in the franchise bar platinum, but it wouldn't be if they didn't increase the dex. I just don't like or I'm indifferent to most of the pokemon, that hasn't changed since BW released and likely never will.

>>29243114
No starter in gen 6 or 7 comes near the level of collective massive disappointment generated during the wottergate with the starter evo reveals. The only thing that stands out is the disappointement with chesnaught/litten3 and the gender bitch fights with the popplio and fennekin line. I'm not even stating an opinion, that's just what happened.

I personally really love how in gen 6 the final evos fit so well thematically with each other even if chesnaught deserves a redesign. And Alola has Robinhoot so it's not a complete waste for me.

>>29243668
>UNOVABORTION REEE *animal noises*

Shut up retard Unova is best gen so best it had a sequel that wasnt some shit third version.

>>29243797
>gives (You) legitimate reasons why he didn't like Gen 5
>IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR OPINION XDDDDDDDDDDDD

You unovacucks are almost as bad as genwunners

>>29242696
Yeah. Thanks GameFreak. for not dumping doomed 1-stage shitmon onto our laps.

Oh wait

>>29243553
Supposedly it's a lot more popular in Japan than here.

>>29243820
Nope, you don't suddenly get to say that your furry abominations aren't as bad as gen 5 starters.

>>29243880
Nice false representation

>>29243880
>legitimate reasons

>"I found this city underwhelming"
>"The rest of the gym leaders were hot garbage"

That's all you fucking said

>>29243864
>so best it had a sequel that wasnt some shit third version

Dumb unovabortion, that means it took 2 (two) visits to Unova to make it good, face it, B2W2 wouldn't have so much content if it had been a new region, it's literally the laziest game made yet

>>29243999
Yh yh tell it to the game scorces bitch boy, Unova haters should be beheaded desu.

>>29242397
I bet all the children of autismo complained about not being able to use their bros in BW, so from XY on GameFreak just gave up on new mns altogether.
Kinda of a shame, too. I loved how fresh BW felt due to being forced to use new things.

>>29243999
>literally the laziest games

What did he mean by this?

It added the "would you like to use another repel feature"

Your argument is invalid

>>29243999
Doesn't the same apply to Gen III and IV?

>>29242397
Yeah, and 25% of them were shit and the majority of the "good" ones aren't memorable at all.

>>29243931
They really aren't, stop trying to bring the other starters down to gen 5's level. You must not have been around here during wottergate. Fucking nobody liked the starters except dewott, this hasn't been the reaction with 6 and 7. Your denial is strong.

>>29242397
Alolan variants are technically new pokemon

>>29244146
>what is smugleaf

>>29243398
>>29242537
Does it hurt the fact that most people just completely ignore 90% of this lot of pokemon? Even the regional bird they managed to fuck up

>>29243820
>Guess it's true what they said about unovabortions
Y'know, maybe if you guys didn't treat 5th Gen like the anti-Christ of the Pokemon games, maybe there wouldn't be the need to defend what were honestly decent games from the level of hate, ridicule, and vitriol that they really don't deserve.

It's just unfair that in terms of negativity Gen 5 is the only one that's judged in wholes.

>>29242537
Bitch please, best ratio of good to bad in all gens.Zebstrika, Gigalith,Excadrill,Audino, Conkeldurr, Seimistoad, Sawk/throh,Scolipede, Whimsicott, Leavanny * Best grassfu*, Shadescroc,Rapeape, Maractus, Crustle, Scrafty, Silgyph,Cofagrigus,Carracosta, Archeops, Garbodor * i honestly do love trubbish*,Cincinno, Reuniculus,Emolga,Escavalier,Accellgor,Pringles,Galvantula * Best gen 5 line, joltik is cuter than pikachu ever was*,Haxorus,chandelure,Hydreigon,Mienfoo,Golurk,Bisharp,Afrobull,Braviary,Volcarona,,The fighting trio, The therian form genies, Tao legends ,and Meloetta are all great designs in my opinion.

No exaggeration there when i can say nearly all the gen 5 designs are above average

>>29244240
>>29244146

I meant starter evos, nobody liked any except dewott, and rightfully so.

>>29244295
I just mentioned that BW2 are my favourite games gameplay wise except platinum ( not factoring nostalgia ), what's unfair about that? I just don't like most of the dex and even the good mons aren't that memorable. That's the entirety of my point.

>>29244058
It didn't feel that fresh to me. I actually liked a decent amount of mons, some of them played a lot like their gen 1 counterparts like Roggenrola though. It didn't help for me that a decent number of mons I really liked were found late in the game and evolved even later.

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>>29243591
>not liking Based Roxie, Snuggleable skyla or ''THAT FUCKING RETALIATE'' Lenora

Drayden is godly though so you're alright. Best male leader in my opinion

>>29244146
>they're not terrible because people like them
Nice fucking argument.

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>>29242696

I don't understand people like you and the rest of this thread. I love even the shittiest mons because it adds variety to the world. That's what I loved about Unova you can go back to that game and use entirely new teams of overlooked mons every time

For example I ducking love Diggersby but most people hate smug bunny.

With a small gen you have everyone using the same handful of good ones and see no variety. Take a look at VP threads everyone is claiming the same mons for their Gen VII team.

>>29244744
>>29244744
But I never said they're perfect, I even mentioned faults. They're simply not as much of a blunder when compared to emboar, samurott and serperior which generated an unprecedented unanimous dislike from the fans.

Seriously, what makes unovabortions so angry?

>>29244954
>ducking
>capital VP

Yes yes I know I'm a dumb phoneposter try to come back with legitimate rebuttals Gen V haters

>>29244443
I was speaking in general terms anon. Not solely targeting you.

>>29244443
Serperior is more popular than the average grass starter, not that it's saying much.

>Wimpod2 is a better Pokemon than gen 5 and 6 combined

>>29244050
>>29244088
>>29244089
Every other third game is the same thing but improved. B2W2 is a sequel, which means it's own game you fucking retards

>>29242397
That's a GOOD thing. You really want a flood of shitty garbage pokemon?

I prefer the gimmicky "new" stuff like Megas and Alolan forms, which add new shit and can be cool without bloating the Pokedex past 1000.

>>29242859
I can, in fact I can easily say gen five produced more favorites of mine than any other generation. Your opinion isn't everyone's, retard. Nor is it profound, you're just bandwaggoning. And Serperior is good. People just want to condemn it with the rest.

>>29245396
Yeah so? They wanted to add that much more to the world

How is that lazy?

>>29244273
That can literally be said about any gen after gen one, who gives a shit what casuals think.

>>29242416
lol you're so angry that your first leakseason pokemon game is going to suck.

>people can't cope with the leaks so now they have bash/praise other gens

I really don't know why I come to this place. Despite this board being 18+ the mentality sure doesn't show it for the most part.

>>29245590
Because unovabortions always say "HURR DURR B2W2 WAS DA LAST TIME GF CARED, WHY CAN'T WE GO BACK TO GEN 5!!!!!!!!111111" when it was literally the same shit with more added content than usual because it was a supposedly new game. If there were sequels to other gens then you can be assured that there would be an assload of content again

>>29245859
That's not what happened with Hoenn remakes

>>29245919
remakes aren't sequels

emerald had battle frontier and people to this day won't shut the fuck up about how great that was

even as a person who loves every aspect of gen 3 I don't understand why people care about the battle frontier

>>29246200
Then clearly you don't love every aspect of gen 3

>>29246227
I actually like the battle frontier, I just don't see why people treat it as a holy grail

>>29246276
Because it's literally the most creative thing they've done up to that point that gives you fucking endless entertainment putting fucking 8 different versions on how to battle with goals to reach for all of them

>>29242460
Thats because genwunners are the most toxic

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>>29242397
>Gen 6 had more new features than 4 and 5 combined

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>>29245718
This, every time we have this kind of debate, I wonder this.

But whatever, I'll give my thoughts on this debate.
I am an optimistic fag, and start every pokemon game like "I've paid this game, let's have some fun with it!"
I am optimistic enough to think the litteral garbagemon is not that bad (I hate the monkeys anyway).
But fuck no, it took me like 20 minutes to choose my starter because all final evo looked bad. I don't remember my team in my first run (I usually bond with my first team for each game), I only know I boxed my starter (and I hesitated a lot, because of autism, I think starter is specialbro and some shit like that, I usually never box it even if it is not my fav of the set), and it was a fucking pain to get through this game because there was a huge majority of bad designs just looked the mon was drawn by a 2yo autistic child with no arms, and the other designs were spoiled by these shitty graphics.
I mean, come on, gen3 looked better and it was on the fucking GBA!
Now, I like some of gen5 mons (more or less 50%), and some of them are among my favorites, but it is only because 3D models in gen6 saved their fucking asses. And I have as much favs in gen6 and in gen5
The only thing I'll give to gen5 dex, is Bug types, they were amazing.

Gen 6 was okay, designs were okay, the only thing that made me really love this gen is the graphics. Even if it was chibishit, it was way better than gen5.
Without that, it was just okay.

Design-wise, gen7 is one of the best gen we had in a long long time
>inb4 Persian and geodude line
Stop with this meme, every gen has shitty designs, and they are not even counted as new mons by you, Unovabortions.
And if you really want to talk about Persian, say hi to pic related. YES it is a shitmon, and even if you hate it, it is a gen5, and it counts as much as Persian (even more because Persian is a gen1 mon)

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>>29247264
We can all agree that simis were an awful idea, right.

>>29242706
>You can equate that to Sawbuck that changes in the season
Sawsbuck
>doesn't change type
>doesn't change animations
And I'm pretty sure the island birbs won't share a movepool, or even stats.

>>29247303
yes.

>>29247303
oh god yes they were terrible

additionally what's up with '1-stage shitmons'

first, we don't know their base stats

second, some of these have wild abilities
I mean komala is probably bad, but mimikyu and pyukumuku both have abilities insane enough to warrant their use even with underwhelming stat totals

and 3-stage evos are a total waste of a middle pokemon

>>29247548
Non-karenfags please leave.

>>29242729
>>29242760
>What is google?

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>>29242537
>crosses out swanna

Great pic overall, but this alone makes it objectively wrong.

>>29247303
Monkeys are fine fuck you

>>29247686
before the toucan it had the prize of "most geneirc looking pokemon of all time"

>>29247724
the monkeys are objectively garbage. this isn't up for debate.

>>29247303
Literally my painter's monkeys

>>29247749
Simisage is one of the best grass types, fuck off nigger.

>>29243341
It was quantity over quality. If you shit out 140 mons about half of them are bound to be decent.

>>29247807
G A R B A G E

>>29244954
What annoys me more is that people believe pokémon are designed for competitive viability when they're clearly designed for in-game. Look at regional bugs, any attempt of "fixing" them besides new moves (possibly at high levels) would completely break their purpose.

But I totally agree with your post otherwise.

>>29247548
>and 3-stage evos are a total waste of a middle pokemon
This. Middlemon are too much forgettable.

>>29242706
>You can equate that to Sawbuck that changes in the season
My mom's dear is the definition of a forgettable pokemon

>>29247880
But isn't that exactly what they did in X/Y? Diggersby is pretty garbage, but becomes pretty good once you get its HA in the postgame. Same deal with Talonflame going from okay to great.

>>29242397
Why are faggots so obsessed with the total count of Pokemon? Gen 5 only had so many because they wanted BW to consist of nothing but new Pokemon. If they had planned for it to be mixed from the start it would have had way less and probably benefited from it, considering 25% of Gen 5's Pokemon are crap.

The amount of new Pokemon has to fit the game. It's not just about having piles and piles of Pokemon. If it was they'd pump out 300 shitty Pokemon every time because it's easy to do.

>>29247866
F A G G O T

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>>29247749
All the bird types are known for looking like everyday, real-life birds, Swanna may not be an exception, but calling it "the most generic" is an overstatement.

It even has more of a justification for looking as it does than most Pokémon, evolving from an intentionally silly-looking duckling into a graceful swan.

>>29247936
I'd like to point out that HA are typically not available in-game, so they're certainly not amazing by any standard, just decent. So your in-game team would still be bad from a competitive point of view.

The pokémon is not designed for competitive just because they put a OP HA on it. That said, it's a way to somewhat mitigate it. In any case. gen VI had plenty of comparatively "bad" pokémon.

>>29248070
Birds are so cute.

>>29248088
I'm just saying there's plenty of ways to make a mon competitively good without sacrificing their intent in game. It's not like in-game teams will ever be any good for playing against other people anyways.

>>29248070
hoothoot is pretty different but i didn't know the other references so directly

also I'm still going to say ducklett is the most generic. swanna is a little bit better.

they now have the toucan though so they don't have to worry

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>>29243642
>and the girls are pretty

You mean "strong," anon

>>29245398
This is the best opinion regarding the small dex sizes

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>>29247807
>i like """""cool"""""" pokemon

No there are plenty of grass types way better than that monkey trash.

>>29242537
>a lot of them were shit
>only wants to remove 20
You're disproving your own point

>>29248646

MY CACTUS NIGGA

>>29249112
>"""only""" 20
Over 10% of the pokemon is pretty fucking awful dude

>>29249145
I would remove more than 20 from pretty much every other gen. Over 20% is even fucking worse.

The majority of Gen 5 Pokemon were just ripoffs of Gen 1 Pokemon conceptually though.

>>29242537
>most are shit
>only crosses out 17 out of 156

ok anon sure

>>29247817
Nope, ratio of amazing designs to total designs is still high.

>>29249261
>majority
>10+ evolution lines out of 156.

>>29249261

Improved tbqh.

>Zubat
>Purple Bat

>Woobat
>Heart Nosed Bat taking the concept literally in design and moveset

>Machamp
>A man (I love him too, don't get all pissy)

>Conkeldurr
>Line of construction workers

>Poliwrath
>Tadpole

>Seismitoad
>Based on treble and bass notes with a musical theme (tadpoles as music notes is a common depiction)

Now, I disagree about half the unova dex being bad, but even so even if you think ALL gen VI mons are good that's still a similar number of good pokémon at best. Ratio doesn't mean shit, I'd rather have 100 pokemon and only 10 good ones over just 5 good ones. Because I can decide not to use the 90 bad ones.

>>29249296
I said a lot of them were shit anon, learn to read.

And again, over 10% is atrocious

>>29249531
>>29249145

Remove that 10% and it still has nearly the same amount of Pokemon ad VI an VII combined.

Now remove the VI and VII shitmon.

>>29249655
did gen 6 have any?

>>29242636
whjat is reed

>>29249723

Tons of people hate Diggersby for some reason. Idk why he's one of my favorite pokemon of all time.

Aromatisse and Klefki are hated. Barbaracle and Dragalge are called ugly. Carbink is objectively a shitmon assuming you even remember it exists. 90% of the megas are pure garbage.

Personally I'd just remove Meowstic and Carbink.

>>29249723
More like did gen 6 have any that weren't shit.

>>29249723
>diggersby line
>vivillon line
>meowstic line
>goodra and sligoo
>aromatisse line
>arguably poodle and pandas
Yep gen 6 was soooo perfect!

>>29250306
>Goodra line
>Pangoro line
>Bad in any way

I can let you have an opinion on the rest even though I like them but those two are objectively good additions to Pokemon.

Even ignoring Goodra being a meme what the fuck could you find wrong with Pancham and Pangoro?

>>29250306
Wtf anon, is it even possible to have THIS horrible tastes ?

>>29245398
>a flood of shitty garbage pokemon
>most megas and alola forms are shit

??

>>29250016
And that would be most of them. I can't really think of any mon from Gen 6 that wasn't good in one way or another.