Ash Grenigger base stats

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>>29214097
>Flash Fire

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Ready for VGC17 Year of the frog edition?

>>29214097
>Ash still lost the league with this

>>29214198
Ash-Greninja isn't allowed in VGC '17

That's quite the stat boost

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>>29214097
>Flash fire

>>29214174
>burasto bun

Is that a 110 boost? That's 10 more than a mega evolution. Then again, you need to take out a pokemon with regular greninja to activate it in the first place.

>>29214228
Source?

110 stat boost, 10 more than a normal mega.

wew

>>29214228
Hopefully Ash-Greninja will be allowed in future VGCs. Greninja needs a buff.

>110 BST boost
Why 110 and not 100 like Megas? Did normal Greninja get a 10 BST boost?

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>>29214313

>>29214301
They calculated from the demo Greninja stats after transforming.

It has a set nature and IVs so it's easy to do.

BTW, since the IVs can be boosted in this game Ash-Greninja is perfectly capable of 6IV and/or getting a specific hidden power

>>29214228
Well I think we fucking know why now, just look at those stats, and consider you can still use a held item

christ, grenigger was bad enough with protean.

>>29214370
No it's banned because it's an eventmon

>>29214271
This means a bigger fuck you from the ashnime scriptwriters

>>29214313
This isn't smash brothers

>>29214301
The official Pokemon website

>>29214392
Well, it shouldn't be banned. It wouldn't even be that overpowered in VGC, since there's threats like Mega Kangaskhan and other nasties running around.

>>29214441
except that megas are banned for next season VGC

>>29214406
Was it at least a Charizard-Y that he lost to?

>>29214441
Mega-Mom confirmed for nerf. Second attack only does 25%.

>>29214471
LMAO

Charizard-Y doesn't exist!

>>29214441
I just told you its power is irrelevant. Events are banned by default because of accessibility.

>>29214512
in theory yes. in practice endeavor raichu is allowed despite being an event and deoxys was banned despite being just as accessible as Rayquaza. tpci is shit at consistency.

>>29214321
They wanted to make it stronger than M-Charizard.

>>29214097
So, ash-greninja loses protean? Why did they took out his trademark ability(kekleon is irrelevant).

>>29214392
Are you a retard?
It's banned because Greninja it's not in the Alola Dex.
You fuckshit.

>>29214301
See http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/new-pokemon-global-link-features/

It doesn't technically say that Ash-Greninja will be banned from VGC 17, but the section on Special Battlespot confirms it beyond reasonable doubt.

>>29214742
>assumptions
>fuckshit

>>29214356
>hidden power
why bother with hidden power when it already has every single type?

>>29214471
CharX

>>29214507
>>29214880
Why am I not surprised?

>>29214740

Because Battle Bond is its ability

It also gets a +110 BST boost

>>29214097
Now give it a 175 base custom Z-move

>>29214740
because having a mega evolution while still having an slot for an item enables him to use Z moves.

>>29214441
Megas are also banned this VGC.

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>loves the heat

Ash plz

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>>29214097
>flash fire
>got BTFO by blastburn

something's not right here

I know this new frog is ridiculous OP but are his non STAB moves stronger than the regular pretean frog? Let's say gunk shot. Are his stats that much of an improvement to surpass STAB + life orb boost from regular frog?

>>29215372

Its Water and Dark moves hit harder than Protean Greninja's.

>>29215372
The non-STAB moves are a little bit weaker:
20 Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 398-468 (103.6 - 121.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

With new stats but no protean:

20 Atk Life Orb Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 380-447 (98.9 - 116.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

>>29215372
does even it need to be holding something?

>>29215493
No, Ash Greninja can hold a Life Orb just as well as Protean Greninja

Life Orb Ash Greninja Good Game

>>29215486
So it's a stronger but less versatile Greninja

It's going to ubers, but people who think it'll somehow break the game are delusional

>>29215486
This is a testament to how busted Greninja already is.

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>>29214097
that just looks like something I'd see in a fanmade megas thread

>132 speed
fucking why, 130 is top tier already

>>29214097
Is it confirmed that it's locked to Serious nature though?

If so, it can only outspeed base 106s in regular form and 115s as Ash Greninja.

>>29215360
>Ash was so fucking pissed after the loss he's leaving it in a foreign region and fucking off

>>29215729
Hardy.

>>29215586
I expect it will stay in Ubers and maybe be less shit there than it is this gen. The speed boost is nifty since it makes it outspeed mewtwo, darkrai, and skymin, and it could actually have enough power behind its STABs to dent fat legends. Of course that's assuming it can even get the KO to change form in the first place.

>>29215586
Keep in mind it needs to kill something first to get those stat boosts

what nature should I soft reset for? Modest?

>>29215839
lol

>>29215839
hasty if it isn't locked

>>29214097
>>29215839
No this thing is a mixed fucking monster.

>>29214097
So, we talking naive for a mixed attacker or a timid nature for a full special set since water-shuriken is special now?

>>29215839
Be sure to reset for a "proud of its power" one!

>>29216126
If the nature can be reset on the real game's side, or it can be bred, I think those are good.

>>29215839
Isn't it locked into a Hardy nature?

>>29214097
source?

>>29216328
Dataminers

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https://youtu.be/LOFct9QWlh8
Mega Charizard X is so strong, he can deal fire damage to pokémon with immunity to fire!