Z-moves confirmed worse than strongest -ate moves.

>>29213333

>the power varies depending on the original move.

>>29213333
>power varies based on the original move
So what would a Fire Z-Move be with V-Create?

>>29213333
>the power varies
>power 175

>>29213333
"Oh but they are totally going to be worth the item slot"
denial fags btfo

What would toxic do?

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>>29213376
>explosion z move

I guess 175 is the maximum power? Maybe it's based off of original move power x2. max power 175.

>The power varies depending on the original move
What if it's 175 + (Base Move)?

>>29213373
A reason to run Hyper Beam-type moves?

can they only be used once per battle?

>power varies
>Light Ball [Electric-type move] is still stronger

Trash

>>29213333
It's still equivalent to a Gen V Gem-boosted 110 BP move, so not too bad considering everything can get this style of move

>>29213588
you can see at the bottom that it's using Thunderbolt as a base. It's either (original move) + 80 or (original move) * ~1.8

>>29213618
This would make a lot of sense.

>>29213618
probably this,i would assume stab would be involved 2,z-moves are strong

>>29213618
What if it's 175 - (Base Move)?

>>29213640
The Z move would be boosted by Light Ball too. Retard.

>>29213527
>ghost-types

>>29213674
Ot since thunderbolt has a power of 90, 90x2=180, max potential power of z moves being 175.

Not stating it as fact but that's the calculation i'm seeing based on this one image.

>>29213761
Nigga, how fucking dumb are you

>>29213761
>Z move
>Light Ball
Oh honey.

>>29213761
>Light Ball
>Electrium-Z

Pick one, retard.

>>29213769
>make up random bullshit
>I CAN SEE THE CALCULATION

it's clearly the power of the move x1.9444... because 90*1.9444...=175

don't tell me I'm wrong I CAN SEE THE CALCULATION

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>>29213864
>>29213905
I have brought shame to my family.

>>29213761
Are you fucking stupid???

What does it mean by "the original move"? The move that was used just before the z move???

>>29214122
No, each Z-move links to another move of the same type.

>>29213766
>Scrappy exploud w/ normal z-move boomburst

>>29213761
here to reply

>>29214188
Ah okay thanks, kinda weird, does this mean pikachu has to keep thunderbolt? Or is that unknown

>>29215170
No, it runs off any move that's the same type of crystal you're trying to use.

Using nuzzle gives it 100 base power and physical.
Using electro ball gives it 160 base power.

>>29213399
>based on the base move

so basically run zap-cannon just so that gigavolt havoc can be insane .. hmm

>>29216718
If you could use it multiple times, that 100 BP nuzzle would be quite good - not that untauntable Twave isn't already good in VGC. As it is, you're probably better off with 175 BP tbolt to get one powerful hit off from a usually defensive pokemon.