Even Joe thinks they're real now. What's your excuse, /vp/?

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>Serebii
>relevant

why do people act as if this faggot's word means anything? he's just another guy.

Honestly the fire and water just look like shit. I don't think they're fake anymore but they better have been polished.

D-deconfirmed? I loved Robinhoot but if Joe says they're real...

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>>29179069
Joe is a flip flopping bastard! We all know what he said. We all know what he did.

>>29179120
You know you can do better then this, right ?

>>29179131
Yeah, cause at first there was no evidence supporting them.

And then evidence arose that they are legit.

You are allowed to change your opinion upon learning new information

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>>29179731
But the thing is, he didn't casually approach the leaks with uncertainty. He straight up shot down any possibility that they were real. "Of course they aren't" is not as easily reverted as "there's a possibility that they're real but that isn't certain"


Joe will eat crow.

>>29179089
b8 bad m9

>>29179830
but if you don't inherently understand that that's what he was saying, then you are non-meme autistic

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29179069
>still caring what others think
Everyone will have already beaten SM and here you will be on /vp/ complaining about people still not believing in the leaks. So sad.

That's the life of a shitposter for you, though.

>Well it has been obvious for a while
This does sound like something he would say, honestly, even after being such a denialfag.

>>29179830
It was perfectly reasonable to have shot them down without a second thought at the time, as there was literally no evidence to support them.

No evidence = not wasting brain power.

>>29179091
Yea even D.I.s water and fire is cooler looking than GF's.

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

To be fair he did already shift his position on them so its not like he's going from denying them to seemingly having accepted them all along.

Not sure why everyone gives a shit about him, though. He's just a guy using common sense like everyone else can and should be doing.

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>>29179863
>non meme autistic

>>29179938
>there was literally no evidence to support them

There was no evidence to say they were "certainly fake" either considering how well done they are compared to all the fakes. Either way this fag has no bearing on whether or not something is confirmed.

>>29179992
>considering how well done they are compared to all the fakes

This is a joke, right? Anyone could've made them. No one thought they were real until the Mallow reveal.

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29179978
>implying anons know about "common" sense

>>29179992
Nigga, stop being retarded.

No evidence means no fucking evidence.

If there's no evidence a man committed murder, they're not going to convict him because "well there's no evidence that he DIDN'T murder a man"

>>29179731
To be fair, yeah.

He didn't act like a faggot and dig in his heels and keep denying they were real.

He was presented with sufficient evidence and changed his opinion.

Maybe you denialfags could learn something?

>>29179069
Imagine how Masuda feel.
Holy kek, what a mean thing to do.

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29180036
Anon is saying Joe shouldn't have said "certainly fake" not that Joe should've said "certainly real."

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29180059
In what way did my comment allude to me being a denial fag?

Please, please grow a brain.

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29180036
This analogy is really stupid. I could flip it thebother and it would be equally as a valid. You can stay the leaks were clearly not real when theres nothing to prove that. That's like saying this man certainly committed murder even though there's no evidence that he did. That's how useless that analogy was.

>be one of those guys that maintain healthy scepticism the entire time

>get lumped in with all the "denialfags" and screamed at anyway

I never said they weren't real but there's nothing wrong with being doubtful either

>>29179992
Joe has to deal with a lot of fakes that people constantly send to him so I'm not suprised that he turned down this one, especially since it was 5 months before the games release, which never happened before

>>29180095
Well he fucking did, and guess what? It's reasonable to toss designs with no evidence out the window given the number of fucking fakes that have been made this season.

>>29180164
>flips analogy
>doesn't flip it at all
>is actually fucking retarded

>>29180207
>never happened before
>3rd gen
>4th gen
>5th gen
>6th gen

>>29180248
3rd gen never leaked
4th gen never leaked
5th gen leaked 2 weeks before launch
6th gen leaked 2 weeks before launch
7th gen leached 5 months before launch

>>29180230
That's what I mean. The analogy can be literally applied in exactly the same way but for the opposite argument. That's why it's a shit analogy. There was no evidence it was real. There was no evidence it was fake. There was no evidence the man was guilty. There was no evidence he wasnt. That's the whole fucking point that the analogy doesn't change and can be used either way. That's why it's useless are you being intentionally dense or what?

>>29180273
leaked not leached. I don't even know what I was trying to write.

>>29179089
Kiddies need their jesus, since they can't put 1 and 1 together for themselves.

>>29180273
like you were here then newfag go back to reddit

>>29180230
You seem a bit upset and might be losing your functions, come back later, friend.

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>>29179863
>Non-dutygenerate Ezenecaust

>>29179978
>He's just a guy using common sense like everyone else can and should be doing.
The fact nobody is doing that is precisely WHY they're paying attention to him. People are going around believing every single fucking thing they see. Everything is real until proven fake. He's one of the few that's actually fucking skeptical about things.

>>29180335
>He's the only one actually skeptical about things.
I think a lot of thread caps will say otherwise,,,,

>>29180188
after august there certainly is.

>>29180036
>>29180164
>>29180230
>>29180274
It's a shit analogy anyway.

You don't need proof to think leaks are fake because you just use your brain and figure most leaks are fake. Your prior experience with leaks is what justifies your skepticism. It was perfectly acceptable to think this before Mallow was revealed.

>Muh hazeldex drawing.

Fucking hell I hate leakfags, do you guys somehow forget the million threads of "complete dex leak" and "I managed to see new pokemon heres my sketches" that were proved wrong the second we get new info

Just because actual evidence appeared way down the line to support the starter leaks doesn't make you extra smart for jumping on early it makes you an idiot that got lucky

Serebii had every reason to just deny the leaks because he gets to verify fake leaks 24/7, being "open minded" is just making extra work for himself by inviting more bullshit for a 1% chance at saving face to some autists

>>29180273
>3rd gen never leaked
only blaziken is revealed 3 months before launch (August 2002) but officially confirmed.

>>29180274
Do you not know what fucking Proof of Burden is?

It means the person claiming a thing has to prove it. The person claiming them to be real had to provide evidence of them being real.

Lack of any evidence (at the time) is all I need to say they're fake.

>>29179863
Can i be in the screencap or

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic
You found a way to make /vp/ worse

>>29180428
leakfags are people who got on when there was evidence, specifically Riddler and Mallow.

>>29180468
Yeah, I do. Do you? Burden of proof says the person who asserts a position has to prove it. It doesn't matter what the assertion is. If someone says ita definitely fake they have burden of proof to prove that. Someone saying it might not be fake doesn't have burden of proof.

>>29180402
You're a fucking idiot and I hope you die. Anyone who actually believes that hazeldex drew the starter leaks should be stoned in the street and beheaded, call me when hazeldex produces any more art with the exact same style as the starter leaks you autistic fuck

>>29179069
>he fell for Masuda's MASTER PRAN

He's going to change the starter final evos with a day one patch despite leaving in files for the 'leaked' starters just to piss off leakers.

>>29180547
leakfag bribed the Riddler to post his fakemons.

>>29180558
Didn't know Masuda was an epic troll.

>>29180547
People were using the phrase well before then

>>29180548
I ever tell you about my celestial teacup

>>29180556
but hazeldex is the creator of these fakemons.

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>>29180558
HAHA HE RIGHT!
FOORED BY MY MASTAH PRAN!

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>>29179863
put me in the screencap xD

>>29180574
Do you know that the teapot is in reference to specifically religious arguments or did you just learn a cool thing and just want to show it off?

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29180548
Yeah

The evidence (at the time) that they were fake, was the lack of ANY evidence that they were real, and that there are 50 billion others also making the claim of being real, also without any evidence of being real.

That's how the fucking world works you retard.

>even Joe

Why don't you go find that one picture of him where he's not hideous and go wank off in the corner, OP?

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>>29179863
>non--meme austistic

>>29180573
He's also the one who probably demanded that they make another fire/fighting starter because delphox wasn't very popular.

>>29180613
Wow, are you memeing me right now? Are you seriously trying to dick around with concepts like burden of proof, then LITERALLY use "well none of the others were true!" as evidence that these also weren't? Do you know what that one is called?

>>29180605
I know exactly what it was originally used for, but theres no reason to not use it against other non-falsifiable claims

So am I gonna get an actual rebuttal?

>>29179863
Did i say something wrong? dont create aa screencap pls

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29180658
Ok

I'm talking to an actual retard.

I apologize.

>>29179731
If only denialfags would follow this logic
:^)

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

Fuckin' faggot. I want to be in the screencap.

>>29179069
Everyone knows it is real by now,denial fags are meme only at this point

>>29180698
It's all bait at this point

If you idiots would stop replying every time it would stop

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>>29179863
Zoomed Words

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Fuck off samefag. This shitty board needs to be deleted.

>>29179069
Remember when people started tweeting them to Masuda and one or two got C&D'd? Good times, good times.

>>29179863
how is this screencap worthy he's literally just saying "you're literally autistic"

>>29180756
>84 replies
>47 posters

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>>29180737
Say wot

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29180065
How is that mean? I'm legit confused

>>29179863
Posting for the screencap xDD

>>29180806
How pathetic as to erase all of your (You)s except for a random one to "prove" your innocence.

>>29180661
Rebuttal to what? An out of context quip? The reason it doesn't work is because no one is asserting that the leaks were real because no one could prove them not. However, there were people saying they were definitely fake because there was no proof they weren't

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>it's another "put me in le epic screencap" thread
I miss when /vp/ wasn't flooded with faggots who think every shitty thread MUST be screencapped with hundreds of replies, screencaps are saved for momentous threads not shit like this.
>inb4 "no fun allowed, you must be fun at parties"
It's not fun when every thread is derailed into "le epic screencap".

Hope you derailers get banned like sheldonposters, fuck I hate leak season.

>>29180130
That part wasn't directed at you, anonkun. We cool.

>>29180960
fakeleaks too.

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>>29180737
you caught me :(

>>29181004
Busted

>>29179830
That's because until mallow was revealed there was nothing on them that even suggested that they were real.

Only an idiot would belive something is real without evidence.

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>>29180960
Someone's mad they didn't make it into the screencap.

>>29181034
No one is believing they were real just because they didn't immediately jump to the conclusion that they were fake.thats the whole fucking fallacy.

>>29179863
I don't understand why you faggots are losing your shit over this. It's perfectly simple to understand what he said here.

People use the word "autistic" here so much, its practically a meme at this point. He's saying the poster actually has real-life autism.

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

This has to be bait or a shitpost, I refuse to believe this autism is real

>>29180921
First off there were tons of people deciding they were real, did you miss the countless threads

And this isn't about confirming it as real just because it couldn't be proved otherwise, it's about giving them any credit at all back then

Why do people think that saying something is fake means that I must think it is 100% without a doubt fake, people shouldn't have to add a disclaimer to every statement saying they're only 99% sure

>>29179089
This was before Mallow's reveal, if I remember correctly. It was totally understandable to not believe them during that time

>>29181109
>Someone says they were obviously fake
>Backpedal to HEY I DIDNT MEAN THEY WERE DEFINITELY 100% FAKE WHEN I SAID THEY WERE OBVIOUS FAKES GEEZ WHY ARE YOU SO AUTISTIC OVER WORDS
Also I AM SILLY

>>29181084
If someone asks you if it's gonna rain and the weather man said no, the weather bureau said no and there aren't any clouds what do you say?

Do you say no or do you just explain that you can't say with complete certainty either way because it isn't set in stone

>>29181171
see
>>29181173
There are hundreds of fake leaks, why should he be forced to just say idk every time just in case some random image was actually an unprecedented leak

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>>29179863
What the fuck does "non-meme autistic" mean lad?

>>29181173
not him but I would say probably not but who knows

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These """""people""""" are non-meme autistic.

>>29179863
>non-meme autistic
This is why I love /vp/.

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29180737
>>29181222
Seriously?

>>29181191
Ita literally one extra letter to get idk from no. It does not expend an extra brain cell from him unless he actually sits and researches each fake or someshit which is an absurd assertion.

>>29181269
Then he gets even more people asking about it and has completely failed at his job since hes just giving pointless replies instead of his opinion

Would you tune into a sports show that just said idk someone will win?

>>29181326
This is neither a sports show or a competition. Also your former logic makes absolutely no sense. If him saying idk makes people ask more, it means you recognize the possibility that people have seen him say idk. Why would they ask again I'd he doesn't know? That makes no logical sense. It makes a such sense that people would keep asking when he says no which they actually do so the point is again rendered moot.

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>>29179863
now where have I seen this before...

Cap this

>>29181619
Capped, see you in the collage amigo

>>29181149
No one with a brain believed them when they were first revealed. He said "it has been obvious for a while", as in at some point after their reveal, something happened that basically confirmed them.

>>29181666
satan trips comfirmed

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29181452
I was making a separate point, what use is someone whos supposed to be a pokemon expert giving an opinion if they refuse to have actual opinions

Saying idk means people are gonna be encouraged to talk about it and their reasoning for believing it, saying no flat out at least helps stop some of the discussion because hes seen as a fairly important source of information

Regardless why shouldn't he be allowed to just say they're fake if he thinks they're fake? Why should he be forced to be neutral on the off chance hes wrong? If some one asks if I'm still going out I don't say idk every time for the sake of never being wrong, I just give an answer I think is right

>>29181547
the big difference being that that post passed on to history and this one will get le 2 upboats on leddit and be forgotten in a week

>>29181718
An opinion would be "I believe they're fake". Not "they're obviously fake". No one is saying you aren't allowed to have an opinion, so stop playing victim.

>>29179863
Why the fuck does /vp/ always try to force le long reply chain screen cap images so much, no other board does this shit

>>29181758
>stop playing victim
When did I become Joe?

How is that not an opinion? What constitutes an opinion? He thought they were obviously fake, his opinion

I think psychics are obviously fake, do I need irrefutable evidence to be allowed that opinion? At what level of belief are you supposed to stop?

>>29181769
bcuz its funnE me-mes and it makes us uniques snoflake cince no other board does it

>>29181769
um because you're gay??

>>29180558
what's his next step?

>>29181855
You are totally in damage control mode now. This isn't about supernatural powers or theology. This is about fakes for a game about collecting and battling cartoon monsters. The line in this instance is pretty clear. People say something matter of fact, get told that its MOT a fact, then try to backpedal into "well it was just my opinion, just because I didn't add a disclaimer doesn't mean that's not the case" while shitting down the throat of anybody who had the audacity to not immediately throw these in the trash with all the other much more obvious fakes. Doesn't mean that they thought it was real for certain, its just an opinion that it might not be.

>>29181222
""""""""you're"""""""" points

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29181666
>No one with a brain believed them when they were first revealed
speak for yourself

>>29181666
HAIL SATAN

>>29180020
>Anyone could've made them

Then why did no one make fakes as good as those?

> No one thought they were real until the Mallow reveal.
Nice revisionist history. They were being discussed plenty of times before Mallow reveal. Especially after Disarming Voice reveal at E3.

>>29180207
that's nice but he's still wrong

>>29180188
>"of course it's fake, because reasons"
>healthy skepticism

>>29181547
68 ips
137 posts
Just someone samefagging it

>>29181666
Whats funny is how begrudging he comes off as throughout the whole ordeal though

>>29182122
more than one person can make more than one post, anon

>>29181994
Where is the back pedalling? How is replying to replies damage control?

Anyway what difference is there that matters between psychics and pokemon leaks? Either way it's just an opinion on whether something is real, if anything theology should demand more respect than a simple no so what point are you making?

You've decided that people's opinions were facts for them and are now going through some imaginary exchange to prove your point. Just looking at this thread people are saying they said it was fake till their was actual evidence, no one is pretending they didn't mean what they said just that it was valid at the time

So can you rephrase whatever the fuck that was as an actual point?

>>29181994
Thanks for the fresh pasta my man

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

I'm starting to think people ITT legitimately had their feelings hurt because Serebii didn't beleive them and now he needs to pay

Why the fuck are you people so angry someone disagreed with you?

>>29182225
and I'm starting to think that you're retarded.
no, I'm joking, I always thought that

I believed them for months but the way people here hang on this guy's word is annoying. It's like when we posted "megas were back" for months and backed it up by referring to the April Pokenchi but the threads kept coming until they go serebii confirmed. I don't hate Joe like most people here (since I don't care about E-celebs) but it would do you guys good to think for yourselves.

>>29182036
If you believed them before mallow was revealed you're just a gullible fuck who believes every 'leak' that shows up left and right.

@29179863
What the fuck happened here, why so many replies?

>>29182167
Just some people, then, anon.

>>29182168
Backpedalling is when someone says something like "they're obviously fake" and then go "well, when I said obviously fake I didn't mean 100% obviously fake". If you can't see the problem.with that then just fuck off. Damage control is you going on some tangent about sports shows and psychics like they are at all related to Pokemon leaks. The methods and was you could use to prove and approve one are not even similar to the other. There is no comparison to be had.

I didn't decide people's opinions were facts for them, they decided it when they stated it as a fact. I can say the sky is blue. Does that make it not a fact because we are supposed to assume everything is an opinion? People say"the sky is obviously blue% because it is a fact and it can be proven. You cant prove however that the leaks were fake or real either way. You can say "they are almost definitely fake". But when you say "they are obviously fake" it "obviously" becomes a statement of percieved fact.

>>29182285
>being non-meme autistic

>>29182255
Wow don't you mean
>I believe you may be retarded but cannot say for sure due to a lack of irrefutable evidence, this is just an opinion btw

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>>29182285
because memes

>>29182279
>denialfags trying to save face

>>29182286
who knows?

>>29182279
What if this was the only leak I believed ves, therefore refuting the assertion that I would be gullible enough to believe everything?

>>29182279
>Implying
I believed them because I believed disarming voice had a reliable pattern to guess what Popplio's evo would look like and I was correct. The only other leak I believed before it was popular turned out to be wrong but I did get the "delta species" Pokemon I wanted anyway through Alolan forms.

>>29182279
Define "believe." There wasn't any 100% proof they were real before Mallow but they were certainly credible before that. The art looks good both technically and aesthetically, the Japanese had no flaws, and the Disarming Voice reveal from E3 backed up the leaks.

>>29182296
You missing the point =/= tangent

Again with the imaginary conversations. Did Joe tweet "this is a 100% real fact this is fake"? If he did I'll drop this now

I'm starting to understand your point though, you think I'm trying to say no one was wrong because of "opinions". You've completely missed my point again and decided for whatever reason that saying obviously completely changes everything

Joe was wrong, simple as that. But you people aren't content with that, it is somehow bad that he said something that could be wrong in the first place. My point is that in everyday language we use non-neutral language without it meaning it's absolute, people shouldn't be forced to never give a simple yes or no just because it triggers you.

I'm not making out that being an opinion means he wasn't wrong, but theres nothing wrong with an opinion

If pokemon is somehow an isolated phenomenon that can't be compared with anything else than let me purely use pokemon. I'm gonna say right now that the weed smoking weedle pic is obviously a fake, would you deny me that?

>all these people doing the 'lmao put me in screencap' shit
When they said 'non-meme autistic' they obviously meant actual textbook-definition autism, as opposed to the bastardized definition 4chan loves to use. Ironically, the fact you people didn't get that would imply that you are, as they put it, 'non-meme autistic'

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29182542
So, what,he has to say "this is 100% proof positive really and truly fake and you are an idiot autist who drools a lot and can't wipe themselves if you can't tell" when he believes what he says is a fact but he doesn't have to say "in my opinion" to show that it's an opinion?

Also your point was... actually I don't know. I don't know how you can with a straight face say that you can use the same logic to defend or attack the concept of god or psychic powers as you would for Pokemon.

>>29182542
>it is somehow bad that he said something that could be wrong in the first place

No, it's not bad that Joe is wrong. It's bad that he's literally wrong and people still act as if he's this know it all who has extra authority on whether or not something is confirmed.

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>>29180737
>>29181222
>replying to every single reply

This seems like a pretty >non-meme autistic thing to do

>>29179863
jesus christ it's not that funny

>>29182735
look at this non-meme autistic

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>>29182589
>All this damage control

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29179830
Like the majority of /vp/

actually stfu, I had to put up with too much shit from this board for believing in the leaks. you can't just pull this full 180 now

some people on this board still don't believe it

>>29182639
Saying I can have a strong belief on something that is unfalsifiable isn't some super niche logic that is impossible to apply to anything else

You've made up this distinction between fact and opinion and how they are sorted and treated. I don't think everyone should have to suffer because you can't work out that when someone is talking about potential new pokemon they aren't declaring their views to be irrefutable. When I say chocolate is good do I need to tag on "in my opinion"?

I noticed you don't put "in my opinion" after every post, is it a fact that he wasn't just giving an opinion? Don't think you can prove that

>>29182699
I'm sure you've been wrong before anon, people aren't saying he knows everything just that he has the best track record and exclusive sources

>>29181213
Lol
>Hey son, is it going to rain today
>POP 0%, no clouds outside, weatherman says no, weather bureau says no
>say no
>SON WTF WHY DID YOU SAY NO YOU SHOULD'VE SAID PROBABLY NOT IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW FOR 100% SURE

>>29181212
He probably meant actually autistic, and not the meme definition of the word. He could've worded that better though

>>29182948
>I'm sure you've been wrong before anon
Not the point.

>he has the best track record
Of course he has a good track record if 99% of the shit he posts is just reposting stuff from the official website. But he's not some higher figure for making sure something is real or not.

>and exclusive sources
What exclusive sources? some jap guys on twitter who post corocoro that anyone else can access?

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>>29182589
>unironically defending non-meme autistic

I bet you were the faggot that posted it.

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>>29183013
what? Just because I would personally say probably not doesn't mean that I'm going to force everyone else to say probably not.

>>29183013
mom proceeds to spend the next two months shitposting on 4chan about how her son said "Of course it wouldn't rain" because she's just that autistic and needs to degrade and shit on the lives of other people despite the fact she didn't think it would rain either

>>29183041
Never said he was the decider for something being real, you people think that and now can never shut up about him being wrong

He just posts news fairly quickly and avoids posting bullshit, idk why everyone now wants to crucify him because he gave an opinion on a separate platform about a relevant issue

>>29182948

This is the problem. This isn't unfalsifiable, and definitely not in the same way as the question "is there a god?"

I didn't "make up" a distinction. How am I making it up? If someone says something is obviously something, I'm supposed to assume that's an opinion? That makes no logical sense.

Also I haven't put in my opinion at the ending of anything because I'm not giving me opinion on a subject. Don't act like you know. I'm very careful with my words when I am giving an opinion. I don't know how you are not seeing a problem with, do example, Joe saying they are "obviously fake", then your saying "he clearly didn't mean ONE HUNDRED PERCENT obviously fake, he only meant 99% obviously, obviously". That's insane.

>>29183061
I wasn't even attacking you kek. I was making fun of all the people that got mad at Joe for dismissing it (even though the majority of /vp/ did the same thing) I never even implied you were trying to force everyone else to do anything for that matter.

TL;DR think before you post

>>29182948
>Appeals to the logic that Joe is only human by diverting the point to the other person's mistakes
>Then says Joe is right more often than not, implying we have more reason to believe him than other humans
What did he mean by this?

>>29180548
By that logic you have to prove god isnt real to be an atheist, good luck with that scientific assertion.

>>29181098
We all understand that.
What, are you non-meme autistic?

>>29183155
>I wasn't even attacking you
Then why did you only respond to my post? Also reread your post and tell me how that doesn't sound like an attack.

>>29183122
>He just posts news fairly quickly and avoids posting bullshit,

him saying "of course it's fake" was bullshit and he fucks up stuff on his website all the time because he's rushing just to say he has it up first. It's quite funny really. And people still lap up his shit and act as if he's just as good as an official source.

>>29183188
Using the same exact knowledge
>Einstein is human and makes mistakes
>We shouldn't trust and use any of the Physics he discovered out of fear it's wrong
>We should trust nothing we discover and revert back to the cavemen days
What did he mean by this?

>>29183198
No it doesn't. Also that "logic" is literally the definition of burden of proof. It's a tool used to move arguments along. Someone starting an argument, making an assertion, has to be able to prove that because the burden is on them. Just being an atheist isn't participating in a debate.

Checkmate, atheists.

>>29183305
Because the physics or whatever the fuck he discovered is backed up repeatedly and hasn't been proven wrong. He isn't just some guy claiming shit and people lapping it up mindlessly just because he's Einstein. It doesn't work that way.

>>29182054
>>29179992
>well done
>good
So because you like it it means it's real? Then I guess Pokemon Sage must be real too.

>>29179069
Arceusdamn this thread is non-meme autistic

>>29183198
>The assertion is that God isn't real
>Saying this unironically

>>29183258
Responding = attacking. Are you the same guy as above? You don't have to prove something isn't or something doesn't do something; the burden of proof rests on the person making the assertion.

Anyone with half a brain cell realizes I'm making fun of the thought-processes of the hypocritical kids on here that have nothing better to do than shitpost about a person that will never read all this shitposting, only serving to make this board worse and more susceptible to deletion.

>>29183128
It may well be, sure people at Nintendo know and if I hold a gun to Masuda's head he'd tell me, but for all of us sitting on /vp/ we can't concretely prove it either way

Do you even know what "obviously fake" means? That anyone reasonable would come to the same conclusion after viewing it, that it is clearly fake. The synonym of obviously isn't factually. You can have an opinion that you think is obvious.

You've made up this system that when you hit a certain point in the opinion-meter you now have a fact and that's unforgivable. I propose a system where if someone says it's a fact they're saying it's a fact

I think it's insane that people should be forced to put disclaimers so they don't trigger you, if someone wants to call something obvious they can go nuts. Once again I'm not saying he wasn't wrong, just that pretending people don't say obvious all the time to have your millionth Serebii bashing thread is disingenuous

>>29183368
>So because you like it it means it's real?

No. It means the designs are drawn properly with no errors and they fit Pokemon's style. Also the concepts themselves are clever and could have only really been done by someone with insight on the entire line instead of just taking the first stage and making it bigger like 99% of fan artists do.

Shit like Ballio and friends was immediately easy to tell was fake because the style didn't even look right and there were anatomical errors.

>>29179089
I think "of course they're fake" is a bit strong but understandable given many different starter evo leaks at the time. Then with growing evidence, he changed his mind.

>>29183365
>Joe can't have an opinion because people listen to him

>>29183263
It's his twitter, let him give opinions

People didn't even care that much beyond memeing about serebii confirmed until you people decided we needed an hourly thread whining that he is occasionally wrong and that's the worst thing ever

>>29182542
>disbelieving something without proof makes one wrong

>>29183463
Oh boy, I bet you're that subtlefag. Give reasons as to why they are well drawn/designed and why the others are bad.

Again, your own logic defeats you. Those early fake corocoro leaks must all be true since they are also well done.

>>29182870
>>29183042
Retards in full damage control.

>>29183523
>Oh boy, I bet you're that subtlefag.
Who?

>Give reasons as to why they are well drawn/designed and why the others are bad.
I already said so in my post.

>Those early fake corocoro leaks must all be true since they are also well done.
But they weren't.

>>29183470
That's not what I said.

>>29183479
>It's his twitter, let him give opinions
Uh, ok. It doesn't change the fact that he's wrong though.

>>29183365
But Einstein still made claims about Physics that were proven wrong. So does everything you say about Joe still apply to Einstein? Is Einstein a fucking retard as well?

Joe still has a lot of credibility, managing to leak tons of shit before most people. We've beat him on two leaks to my knowledge, but then again, this board is made up of thousands of people. He has us beat every other time.

I actually hate how all of you forget the shit Joe does whenever he's not leaking.

>>29182225
This.

>>29183592
No you didn't. Give me details, not broard descriptors.

And I think they look well designed, who are you to say otherwise? The logic of only you knowing what is good and what isn't is poor debate skills and logistics. You have no credentials to boot.

>>29183427
>You've made up this system that when you hit a certain point in the opinion-meter you now have a fact and that's unforgivable. I propose a system where if someone says it's a fact they're saying it's a fact
What? It is, very almost literally the opposite going. When he said something was obviously (i.e. clearly, evidently, manifestly, etc.) fake, I'm saying that he MEANT that they were obviously fake. Youre the one saying he didn't MEAN obviously, but rather that he only believed that they were fake but said obviously because he felt he didn't have to make it clear it was just an opinion.

>>29183592
>That's not what I said.
Kek, I didn't know the retardation on this board was so strong. Einstein claimed shit because of a lack of evidence and was proven wrong. I guess you'd apply all your insults of Joe at Einstein too then?

>>29183612
>Is Einstein a fucking retard as well?
That's not what I said.

>Joe still has a lot of credibility, managing to leak tons of shit before most people.
All he's doing is literally just reposting shit some Japs most on their twitter. If he doesn't do it someone else will at the same time or a minute or two after. There have been plenty of times CoroCoro came out here or on PokeBeach before it was up on Serebii. And pretty much every other leak he doesn't fucking post period because "m-muh C&D"

>I actually hate how all of you forget the shit Joe does
Like what? Repost stuff from the official websites but riddled with typos because he's rushing to type it to have le ebin first post up? Fucking please.

>>29183592
Never said he wasn't

But someone being wrong doesn't warrant this much bitching

>>29182326
>leakfags trying to defend their gullibility

>>29183716
>But someone being wrong doesn't warrant this much bitching

It does when his fans act as if he's right all the time and act like what he says has some sort of higher bearing on whether or not something is real.

>>29183732
>gullibility
>when they were right

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>>29179863
bruh

Quality thread

>>29181151
This

>>29183712
"That's not what I said."
I see you've already said this to someone else and there was nothing wrong there either. Either you have really poor writing skills or can't even remember what you posted five minutes ago.

Going all the way back to your original post and using your same logic, we can't trust Einstein as an extra authority on whether or not Physics principles are confirmed or not because he's just some retard making random claims with no proof.

>>29183756
>i-i-i-i-it's o-o-o-o-o-ok-k-k-k-k-key i-i-i-i-i-if-f-f-f w-w-w-w-w-we're r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-right

>>29183801
>we can't trust Einstein as an extra authority on whether or not Physics principles are confirmed or not because he's just some retard making random claims with no proof.

Nothing I said implied this. Try again, friendo.

The equatable analogy would be "we can't just take everything Einstein says as fact just because it's coming from Einstein"

>>29182504
>>29182395
>disarming voice
>muh patterns as evidence
Just food for thought, but that makes any disbelief of the chink leaks legitimate because denial due to lack of gyms is using the same pattern logic.

Ergo, the only real way to believe in the leaks with credibility was to wait until Mallow was revealed.

>>29183834
>we can't just take everything Einstein says as fact just because it's coming from Einstein
>because the physics or whatever the fuck he discovered is backed up repeatedly and hasn't been proven wrong.

I think you've contradicted yourself "friendo"

>>29183859
Reasonable disbelief, sure. But no gyms isn't a reason to say that "of course the chinese leak is fake."

Disarming Voice is evidence because nearly everything that learns it is Fairy type and it suits the leak's theme to a tee as opposed to the clown shit people thought Popplio would turn into.

>>29183742
So you're butthurt because he didn't believe the leaks without credible information to back them up and people agreed on his correct logic? Gotcha.

>tfw this anon probably got NTR'd by joe and is still hurting

>>29183897
No I didn't. If it's backed up repeatedly then it's viable and there's no reason not to use it. They didn't just go "HURR EINSTEIN SAID IT SO IT MUST BE RIGHT"

Try again, friendo.

>>29183701
Should have thrown some "in my opinion" then, since you're the one that brought up whether something is a fact or an opinion not me.

All I've been saying is people shouldn't have to use neutral language just because they can't prove somethings false, you're the one that jumped in to decide what is a fact and what isn't

>>29183914
>and people agreed on his correct logic?

His logic clearly wasn't correct if he was wrong.

this thread is mostly relevant because of the amount of autists that didn't get non-meme autistic. Ho ho classic autists.

>>29183926
>"HURR EINSTEIN SAID IT SO IT MUST BE RIGHT"
>Everyone literally did that for forty years

Try again, "friendo"

Moreover,
>Joe makes a claim about a leak not being real
>nothing exists that contradicts Joe's opinion
>IT'S NOT BACKED UP, NO REASON NOT TO USE IT

As well, I would just like to say that there isn't a planet in our solar system made of cheese.
>HURR IT'S NOT VIABLE, NOT BACKED UP REPEATEDLY, GARBAGE OPINION, THERE COULD BE A CHEESE PLANET NEARBY

>>29183903
You literally just walked right into what I was saying. You're using "muh patterns" when that kind of logic has been shattered from gen 5 onwards.

Also
>entertainer motif
>can't ever possibly turn into a clown
>clowns can't possibly be associated with fairy, despite any typing works with any kind of design in pokemon
>also thinking ballio was the only final evo leak

>>>29183947
There is no right or wrong because there was no answer to the leaks being real or not at that point. The only correct thing was to be skeptical or deny them until further proof. You're starting to embrace anti-intelligence.

>>29180308
Ive been here since DP release and hype. You are the newfag here

>>29183926
I'm not your friendo, pally.

>>29184006
>>Everyone literally did that for forty years
But they didn't because they backed it up with evidence. They didn't go along with what Einstein said just because he was Einstein.

>>nothing exists that contradicts Joe's opinion
The leaks being real contradicts his opinion. He didn't give any evidence for saying "of course they're fake," either.

>I would just like to say that there isn't a planet in our solar system made of cheese.
But it backed up by the fact that we know the solar system very well and there is no planet made of cheese.

>The only correct thing was to be skeptical
skeptical != "of course they're fake"

If he said something along the lines of "I don't think they're real" or "they're probably fake," then it would be a whole different story.

Why are you all so angry that people waited until evidence to believe something?

We had Ballio at the same time with just as much going for it

Playing the lottery is dumb independent of whether you win or not

>>29184171
b-b-b-b-but ballio wasn't drawn as good and just got bigger and wasn't subtle and didn't have the themes i liked and wasn't designed as well and I didn't like iiiiit!

>>29184091
>They didn't go along with what Einstein said just because he was Einstein
Literally knowing this little about history

>The leaks being real contradicts his opinion
His opinion came before leak, genius. It's like talking to a brick wall. There was nothing that existed at the time that contradicted his argument.

This should be /argument right here.

>But it backed up by the fact that we know the solar system very well and there is no planet made of cheese.
>there is no planet made of cheese.
Where's the evidence for this? We don't know every inch of our solar system either. Where's your proof we know everything about it? In your own words HURR IT'S NOT BACKED UP, WORTHLESS OPINION, THERE COULD BE CHEESE PLANET

>The only correct thing was to be skeptical
I never even said this. Please learn to use quotes properly. Einstein flat out said "of course this isn't real" about many Physics concepts that actually are real now. Does that speak to his authority at all?

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>>29184091
Stop being so non-meme autistic. You are literally focusing on one fucking word and adding fuel to the "lol fuck joe" meme fire.

You know exactly what evidence there was for these leaks, aka none, at the time. As a man dealing with tons of leaks, he simply took his best guess and he was wrong, but jesus, you're acting like SJWs with how much you hound him over one fucking mistake

Fuck off and stop ruining this board

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>>29183537
Buzz buzz to you too.

>>29184241
That's not what I said

>>29184256
>If he said something along the lines of "I don't think they're real" or "they're probably fake," then it would be a whole different story.

Yes, that is what you said, you're saying that if he hadn't said obviously, this whole thing would be different

>>29184254
Tfw Duke will never teach you about the birds and the beans, doggy style

>>29184314
Obviously is my trigger word

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>this thread
I don't even know what to say.

>>29184343
It's part of the ongoing trial Joe will never see or would care about

>>29184370
should be /thread here but Joehaters won't stop until people start forgetting /vp/ got it wrong and only remember Joe got it wrong

>>29184022
>when that kind of logic has been shattered from gen 5 onwards.
No it hasn't. Patterns aren't definitive proof. But they're still evidence when you're using them intelligently. I have no reason to believe they're going to give Disarming Voice to some Pokemon that doesn't make sense. But there's plenty of reason they can choose not to do gyms.

>>clowns can't possibly be associated with fairy, despite any typing works with any kind of design in pokemon
Clowns aren't known for singing. Sirens are.

>>also thinking ballio was the only final evo leak
I didn't say this.

>>29184214
>There was nothing that existed at the time that contradicted his argument.

The lack of evidence for "of course they're fake" was the flaw in his argument. There was no reason to say "of course they're fake" beyond "hurrrr duhhhh a lot of leaks are fake so this one must be too"

>HURR IT'S NOT BACKED UP,
But it is backed up. I already gave the reason why in my previous post. Please learn how to read, friendo.

>Einstein flat out said "of course this isn't real"
Proving that it's retarded to take everything Einstein says at face value and act as if it's confirmed like serebii fanboys are doing right now.

>>29184241
>You know exactly what evidence there was for these leaks
see >>29182504

>Fuck off and stop ruining this board
Serebii fanboys who act as if whatever he says is some confirmation on anything are the ones who are ruining the board.

>>29184370
it's not about the Joe, it's about all those replies.
People broke all the autism levels.
But after the other day and that kid with the Weedle picture and his facebook, I shouldn't be surprise, yet I am.

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

>>29184420
>The lack of evidence for "of course they're fake" was the flaw in his argument.
>Says the reason there can't be a cheese planet is a lack of evidence

>take everything Einstein says at face value
You don't know how Science works, like at all. He made claims due to a lack of evidence in many cases, and was right sometimes, wrong sometimes. I guess we're all Einstein fanboys for not believing in a cheese planet, right?

>>29184420
These leaked before E3, so we didn't know Disarming Voice, I will give you the other two though.

I didn't give a shit about Joe before the whole Starter leak and only used his site for confirmed news. It's people who constantly rag on Joe, making threads for the same 5 mistakes he's made and people who defend shitting on Joe who ruin this board.

>>29184544
>You don't know how Science works, like at all.

I think you're the one confused about science works. Theories are backed with evidence. They aren't backed because some guy with a name said something.

>>29184605
Joe fanboys are the ones ruining this board. They need to learn how to think for themselves.

>>29184605
Agreed, fags like >>29184420 are ruining the board. He claims not to hate Joe but joins the side hating on Joe instead of defending a common mistake anyone could make and one that everyone has made

>>29184632
>They aren't backed because some guy with a name said something.
Taking a line from you "That's not what I said." How do you miss the point this badly? The whole theme is a lack of evidence. You're saying a lack of evidence is no reason not to believe anything, which is why you believe in cheese planets in our solar system, which to any reasonable person should sound absolutely insane.

I like how you conveniently ignored the cheese planet contradiction you made since you really want to win this argument. Seriously, take a breather man, especially after this autistic rage >>29184420

>>29184544
No, you don't understand how burden of proof works. You can believe theres a cheese plant all you want. But once you state it as a matter of fact and I suppose also that people give enough of a shit to debate over it, it becomes up to you to prove that there is in fact a cheese planet.

>>29184709
I was quoting what the other guy said; he doesn't really understand how the burden of proof works.

He believes a lack of proof for a cheese planet in our solar system means we can't ever say there isn't a cheese planet here.

>>29184632
I have never seen a Joe fanboy outside of these threads that are specifically meant to provoke people who like Joe

I have never seen a "Joe is right literally all the time" thread, but my god, I have seen a ton of "Hurr hurr, Joe was wrong about these leaks everyone thought was fake, fuck joe" threads

>>29184769
im the one that started all the joe hate threads so its partly my fault

>>29184752
Oh, sorry, I misread or misunderstood.

>>29184829
All good, at least you admit your mistake. The other guy keeps defending his mistake because if he admits he's wrong, he kinda ruins his entire argument.

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>There are people legitimately thinking this is all we're going to get

The Riddler himself said we don't know everything about the starters.

Take it from me when I say, don't trust the fucking chinks, China itself just so happens to be the country with the most history on foolery.

>>29184966
I love Rosalina

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic

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>>29179863
>Non-meme autistic

>>29183172
Degenerate duty

>>29183466
this is the problem with joe. he thinks because he's been running the site for years that suddenly he knows how everything works.

a less arrogant person would have said "probably fake" instead of stating it certain. but not joe.

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>>29182285
anon

>>29182279
Not them but I believed them because they looked like animation reference sheets

>>29186134
Who fucking cares about what way someone said somethings fake

>>29184171
>We had Ballio at the same time with just as much going for it
>This is what Balliofags actually believe
You were obnoxious months ago and you still are. Ballio was so obviously fake it wasn't even funny.

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>>29179863
>non-meme autistic
Cap yet?

>>29186191
that's what this entire thread and the screenshot that's been posted for months is all about. if you don't like it then leave retard.

are you always this socially inept that you just barge into a conversation and complain what people are talking about?

>>29186192
>Ask why you would believe random images with no evidence
>Get called out for apparently believing in them
Do you people even read or just have a set of key words to sperg out about

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Masuda signing some fan's fakemon.

I got a voice actress to sign a porn doujin before. They'll sign anything.

>>29182279
Now denialfags are trying to not look as bad by trying to say that everyone was denialfags? Fucking please. Anyone with a brain could easily see when a leak looks legit or not, and no, most of /vp/ doesn't have a brain, since they are kids.

>>29186227
My entire point is that you've been spamming this shit for months

I'm apparently too socially inept to see the appeal in circlejerking about some guy being wrong ad nauseam, but sorry for coming into your safe space and pointing out your autism

>>29186325
I haven't been spamming anything for months, looks like you got the wrong anon friendo.

>safe space
>autism
>ad nauseam
>circlejerk

any more buzzwords you want to get out of your system while you're busy raging?

>>29186312
Pic it faggot

>>29186391
Anon you were just saying yourself this has been going on for months, I don't care who it is there comes a point where it's just a tantrum

But feel free to explain how this thread is gonna be a productive use of anyone's time instead of just calling everything buzzwords because thinkings hard

>>29181666
it's about how smug and sure he acts about it. like whatever he says is law

>>29179863
this is your average joefag

>>29184026
>sinnohfetus

>>29181769
so they can post it to reddit for le ez karma

>>29186478
if you think this thread isn't a productive use of time ignore it and stop raging. since you're continually replying you must think it's worthy of time.

and yes, your post was full of buzzwords. if you don't want someone to point it out don't try to fit so many in, because no one is going to take your seriously in life acting like a raging child with tourettes.

also i wasn't and aren't tantrumming in any of my four total posts, three of which are replying to you. the only one tantrumming here is you.

>>29186640
Anon stop making everything about you, you said this has being going on for months and this is a 277 post thread. Do you really think I'm referring only to whatever posts you've made?

I ignored it the first forty times, but there comes a time when you've got to at least try to shake people out of their hissy fit if only the catalog isn't such an abysmal shit pile

If also making four posts and saying ad nauseam makes me a "raging child with tourettes" so be it, but better than obsessing over the wording an eceleb decided on

>>29186800
>STOP MAKING THIS ABOUT YOU
>literally only replying to my posts and no one else

if this isn't about me or my posts and about everyone else then go argue with someone else maybe? because i wasn't even talking to you to begin with, so i find it funny you're still prattling on about this despite this thread and topic apparently being so beneath you to the point you're claiming that everyone else are the one's who are "obsessed" or "autistic" or wanting "safe spaces". it's nice you find me so deserving of attention but it's getting boring.

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>>29179863

INCLUDE ME ON THE SCREENCAP