Can we all at least agree Platinum is vastly superior to HG/SS?

>>29141469
You realize that the levels are lower since they had another region, right OP?

>>29141469
Post Elite 4 rematches

HGSS>Platinum

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>>29141469
Biased as always, OP.
Guess you forgot there were two regions in HGSS

>>29141682
post Lance rematch vs Cynthia rematch

>>29141682
>Looking back on the image and noticing the text at the bottom
Are you genuinely retarded, OP?

>muh difficulty

I do prefer Platinum to HGSS though, yes.

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>>29141682
Now that's cherrypicking.

You should be comparing Cynthia to Lance (pro tip: Cynthia has a far more dangerous team with better moves) and Red to Barry

>>29141717
>literally one difficult fight after 100's of others

this is not an excuse

>>29141779
>last battle and last battle
>cherrypicking

>>29141682
This. Also, you can't compare gyms to gyms even if both games only had 8 gyms it would still be impossible because different games have different level curves, so in one game some npc might be higher than in another game, but the average level of the player actually makes the higher leveled gym easier. Anyway I can say I was on a way lower level than Red's Pokemon than I was than Cynthia's Pokemon, and I didn't even train 6 pokemon in hgss so the exp wasn't even divided as much as it was in Platinum.

>>29141779
The Rematch has Lance trumps Cynthia arguably

Barry did (after beating the elite 4 20 times) has the highest leveled Pokemon prior to HGSS's Pikachu

Asides from the NFE he ties Benga's Challenge team levels iirc

Maybe someone else too

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>>29141520
>using postgame to defend the shit level curve

>>29141854
>postgame meme

>>29141801
>Cynthia
>last battle

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>>29141871
any content that becomes avalible after defeating the pokemon league champion is postgame

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>"""""""""""""""Johto""""""""""""""" Pokémon trainers

>>29141927
ok, last battle before the credits

>>29141469
I think the level curve of johto was intentional to make the game harder if you use a full team desu

I got by rectum ravaged by Lt. Surge, but I also had two water-types on my team

>>29141469
I wholeheartedly agree

I'm amazed at Johtofags' failure to understand the simple concept of progression.

If you try to point out the absolutely horrid scaling of Johto (like 7th gym's levels being lower than 6th's) or that everything in Kanto is underleveled compare to your team, they'll just shout "MUH 16 GYMS"

16 gyms would be fucking cool if from the start of Johto to the end of Kanto the difficulty increased in a linear and balanced fashion, but alas it doesn't. It's all over the fucking place and just generally shit

>>29141940
Call it post-game, pre-game, tutorial, whatever.
Doesn't change the fact that the game has 2 regions, and the second region has 8 gyms.

No. I had more fun playing through HG than I did with any Sinnoh game.

>>29141944
>implying Whitney Morty and Clair aren't hard as fuck

Ironically the flaw is when the world opens up to you

Good thing they instantly give you good gym leaders to fight against in Kanto

>>29141801
Cyntia is a champion, Lance is a champion.

Red is a super boss, Barry is a supe boss.

>>29141987
Barry is the rival, not a "super boss"

>>29141986
That post was not about difficulty.

>>29142009
Barry is a rival who also works as a super boss.

>>29142016
Then what was it about

>>29141520
>Not ignoring levels and looking at everything else

>>29142025
Look at the quotation marks and the word they're surrounding.

>>29142024
nope, still the rival

>>29141469
Silver is a lot more of the final Rocket fight

>>29141980
Johto games would be infinitely better if those 8 gyms didn't exist at all. They are the reason the actual game has terrible scaling.

>>29142045
So

The only really insulting one is Falkner

>>29141520
No. They're lower because the idiots at GF decided to include a Pokemon League in the middle of the game and have the first half totally balanced around that.

>>29142064
No, it would not.
Just because you don't like it, does not make it true.

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>>29142009
Barry is both, idiot.

>>29141944
But those Kanto mons are also in the Johto dex, making them all Johto mon as well.

>>29141469
I guess we've had plenty of shitty images relating to ORAS so it was time for HGSS to get it's own fair share of shitposters

>>29141520
OP is baiting, just look at his replies, or what he wrote in the picture.
He even have saved the "The end" image because he knew someone would talk about it.

>>29142064
Kanto in general was. The Olivine/Mahogany split, too.

They should've used the extra space they got to expand Johto itself. It was a much better setting anyways.

>>29142024
Ya well you're a super faggot.

>>29142107
No, it's not.
You know that he's just the rival.
That "super boss" concept doesn't apply to Barry at all.

>>29142164
Not him, but Barry has the higest leveled team in the game though

>>29142188
so?

>>29142078
>Morty doesn't have Misdreavus
>bugsy doesn't have Herracross
>CHUCK doesn't have Heracross or Hitmontop
>Jasmine doesn't have Scizor or Forretress
>Koga doesn't have a Quilfish
>Lance has 6 Kanto pokemon


yes please continue to defend Johto

>>29141986
> morty
> hard
> clair
> hard

>>29142197
>final boss
>not the strongest trainer in the game

>>29142224
>Koga doesn't have a Quilfish
defend against a bait? No thanks

>>29142224
I'm not him but Bugsy should have a Heracross that early in the game

Give him Ledian or Ariados

>>29142224
But those Generation 1 Pokemon are in the Johto Dex. Why does that matter? We see other trainers with Gen 2 Pokemon throughout the games.

>>29142239
>Final Boss
>no credits after beating him
Still the Rival.

>>29142224
Get ready for the
>new Pokémon were supposed to be rare in 1999 so it's excusable to keep it the same in the remake a decade later!
apologism.

>>29142197
A super boss is supposed to be a boss that is stronger than the final boss of the main story (champions in the case of Pokémon), Barry, Red, Benga and others fulfill this purpose.

Yes, Barry is a rival who also serves as a super boss in the post game.

>>29142297
I'm glad you already know that, anon.

>>29142293
>what is Steven stone in Emerald
>what is Benga in BW2
>what is Wally in ORAS

>>29142313
A "super boss" concept doesn't exist.
Barry is just the rival.

>>29142338
>optional trainer
>optional trainer
>optional trainer

>>29142297
It's sad HGSS's biggest flaws are them intentionally leaving the game too similar to the originals

>>29142355
Fucking Super Bosses are literally optional bosses you fucking retard

That's why their not the "Final Boss" they're fucking extra bosses

>>29142356
It's just a flaw for autistics fuckers.

>>29142355
>optional trainer

so is Red

>>29141682
Cynthia is a better fight than Red

>>29142411
>>29142389
Red is part of the game.
After you beat him, the credits will roll, and tha message will appear: The End.

>>29142355
>A "super boss" concept doesn't exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boss_(video_gaming)#Superboss


The worst thing is that I'm giving (You)'s to a bait.

>>29142356
Only some of them are real flaws. The rest is up for debate desu.

>>29142438
It's a fan term, like pikaclone.

>>29142411
Red is not as optional because you need to beat him to get Rock Climb, which opens up more of Johto to you. A few story changes happen as well.

You practically access a new post-post-game after beating the post-game

>>29141944
>Pidgey and Pidgeotto

every time

>>29142503
>pidgey

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>>29142489
>>29142489
Kindly fuck (you)rself

>>29142429
Ok

What about everyone else?

If you see the credits twice, does that mean there's 2 final bosses to beat the game?

>>29141469
Yes.

Just finally played through Platinum, and it was definitely one of the more challenging Pokemon games, and is very well done. (My only complaint is the extreme necessity for a high amount of HMs)

>>29142558
Yes. Some say that there are 2 games in one.

God damn I forget how absolutely pathetic Gen 2 Team Rocket was

>>29142593
>2 final bosses

Define final then

Isn't anything after credits postgame?

>>29142615
Final of the first half, final of the second half.

>>29142489
you need Rock Climb to even get to Red

>>29142270
he would do as much damage as scyther would at those levels, ain't no reason not to have a heracross

>>29142622
>final first half

Am I talking to a fucking retard or something?

>>29142535
Something is definitely unlocked for beating Red though.

>>29142624
Oh yeah. Forgot that.

>>29142558
Normal Boss and Post-game boss. The boss at the end of the post-game story or quests. Zinnia is pretty much the same thing, but without the Mega Fug. Is that an odd concept? Serious question.

>>29141947
compare it to Lance, then we can start laughing

>playing anything other than fulldex hacks
>ever

>>29142656
No, but it's looks like that I am replying to a bait.
If you give me better words than " fucking retard", I may keep talking to you.

Whats the best Platinum hack?

I forgot how good it was and want to replay it but I really dont want to deal with HMs and the slowness

>>29142685
Define postgame then

>>29142694
ROMhacks don't really remove HMs or change the game engine

The main difference is that the Sinnoh region was boring as shit and exploring the two regions never stops being fun.

>>29142674
There are 2 credits in the game, anon.
I know that a lot of people here who hate HGSS never actually played the game, but give it a try, those are great games. Stop judging by some random pictures.

>>29142118
>But those kanto mons are also in the Johto dex, making them Johto mons

This is the most retarded thing i've ever heard. By that logic Skarmory and Slugma should be "Hoennmons" as well, since they are on the national dex. And don't try to deflect it with "kanto and johto are close together, it makes sense that 70% of the new mons are rarely seen!" bs. Even tho the Johto dex is nothing but rare shitmons outclassed by kantomons, it's still not an excuse for how absent they are.

>>29141682
Cynthia to Lance and Red to Platinum Barry.

Sorry dude, Platinum wins by a mile.

>>29142709
Is there any that at least removes the need for HMs? That's the main problem

>>29142708
Anon, the game has 2 credits.
You can't judge like most games, since most games only have one.
Got it?

>>29141520
You mean an even more barebones Kanto than in the original game with pretty much 5 side quests, 3 of them are dealt in tandem...

So much fucking content.

Levels are still garbage in Kanto, GF went full retard in GSC, they didn't fix it when they had the chance and the game continued to be garbage.

>>29142719
>Skarmory and Slugma should be "Hoennmons"
yes. You can find them in Hoenn.

>>29141984
This

>>29141469
Fuck no. They're both bad but at least HGSS is tolerable. Platinum's dex is mediocre at best and the region itself definitely doesn't lend itself well to the slow engine.

To be frank both of these games deserve absolutely none of the praise they get.

>>29142719
But they are Hoenn mons. being a "Hoenn mon" and being a "Gen 3 mon" are two different things people mix up for some reason. If it's in the pokedex, that means it's in that region naturally. So all those Gen 1 pokemon are also Johto mons. I really dont see what's not to get.

At this point you're just spouting recycled "le johto bad" arguments

>>29142754
Opinions.

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>people actually defend johto

>>29142723
>he says this as HGSS's trainers are stronger

>>29142733
>the game has 2 credits

What does that even mean, credits literally signify the end

It literally says "The End"


Not end act 1, or press start to continue it just offers you extra content

>>29142060
And a super boss JRPG design wise, it's an optional post game Battle.

Thats the definition of a Superboss in JRPG.

>>29142754
The Kanto trainer levels are raised in HGSS. Play the game, it's pretty great

>>29141984
This desu

>>29142795
Said "The End" twice, and you know it.
You can't use simple arguments, got it?

>>29142754
B-BUT MUH FRONTIER AND GYM LEADER REMATCHES IT'S THE PERFECT GAME

>>29142791
>Houndour can only be caught in Kanto
>Can't catch Larvitar until after you get 16 badges

>>29141469
Nah, I enjoyed HGSS a lot more. Playing through DP felt like a chore and Platinum honestly made me want to quit Pokémon when I played it.

>>29142805
The conversation moved anon.
We have been at that argument before.

>>29142791
>what is Finneon
>what are Cross Evos restricted by specific hold items
>What is Hippodon


>>29142818
You can beat Lance on repeat and it'll always say "The end" that means nothing

>>29142837
Couldn't say it better

>>29142795
Main game end and post game end. Come on.

Doesnt the Delta Episode have end credits?


>>29142820
>muh
>all caps
discarded

>>29142791
Yeah, because if we're talking a region with easy to catch Pokemon, Sinnoh is what come to mind. Marill was made easier to catch in HGSS. Was Heracross easier to catch in Platinum?

>>29142816
Played it, the level curve is still shit and all the dex unlocks post games still have a shit level.

The game punishes you for training new Pokémon. The game treats new encounters as inferior to the old ones.

Get that on your head, the level curve would have been decent if the overall grinding spot levels would have increased considerably.

>>29142872
>Doesnt the Delta Episode have end credits?
nope

>>29142849
>"The end" that means nothing
We agreed. So there is no definition in post game or no post-game.

>>29142873
I cant argue that the kanto wild pokemon are low, though you can find level 35 to 40 mons on Route 47 and level 50 mons at Mt Silver.

But the trainer level curve wasnt really a problem as the game's progression was built around you getting to the league at level 40+

>>29142664
You can get one of the Kanto Starters for beating Red, I think.

Though you also get a shiny gible or dratini from Benga for beating him.

>>29142833
Safari zone.

>>29142944
What about it?

>>29142899
What are you even trying to argue?

>>29142930
The wild Pokémon are our main resource of exp and party members, the fact that they manage to fuck that up is a major sin in a JRPG, the fact that they locked out several 2 stage lines and the pseudo until post game is also a weird son from gen 3 outside of Bagon, but this generation made it really painful.

>>29142960
Most of the Kanto only Mons or 1% mons were put there so you can get them earlier

I got an Azumarill before Chuck by using it

>>29142964
That the first credits means nothing. We agreed on that.

>>29143009
Then the second credits don't mean anything either

>>29143026
ok.

>>29143039
Therefore there is no final boss

>>29143009
It means optional game play starts here.

Kanto is postgame, Jesus Christ do you even understand how games classify themselves?

Or are you so blindfolded by your headcanon you legitimately think the barebones Kanto was part of the planned experience?

Dude you apparently have no idea of the game delays and the optimization that happened in order for them to put Kanto in.

>>29143049
nah, credits doesn't matter for main game/Post game.
But after you beat a final boss, The credits appear.

>>29143069
Anon. please show me a game with two credits. You can't judge because most games only have one.

>>29142899
>>29143009
OK what

>>29142994
I see what you mean, but I think you exaggerate. Trainers are the best source of EXP, and once you run out of trainers, you will have wild Pokemon spots between 20 and 25, a spot where its 35 to 40 (Route 47) and a spot where its 40 to 50 (My Silver) so those are fine places to train.

Or you can use the Trainer Rematches, which hover around 58, give or take. It stinks you need a guide to call them up more instantly but once you do that its gravy

The game has flaws but not insurmountable ones

Johto is the only region without a fat technology/science guy in the hometown. Therefore it's the worst gen, and doesn't deserve any of the praise it gets.

>>29143103
Are you trying to describe Kanto as half the game though, and that there are 2 "final" bosses

It literally contradicts the word final

>>29143150
The final of a century means the beginning of another.

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>>29141469
That's not really a fair comparison, everybody with a fully functional brain and isn't blinded by contrarianism knows Platinum was the peak of the series.

Just compare it to /vp/'s favorite games. BW were garbage in comparison.

>>29143103
Show me a game that wasn't delayed 3 times out of incompetence and one final time when they actually optimized it to put the last minute post game of barebones Kanto, not even the complete one as they where actually running out of space.

This is your stupid headcanon dude, GSC is historically a delayed mess and Kanto is the result of a good optimization that allowed more data to be used, the game was already designed so they added the postgame.

In that era only a few JRPG had new game + where you where able to restart files while preserving certain stats transfered to the new game.

Salomon revenge is a game that makes you beat it twice to see the true ending in one save file, so there are games that actually pulled this stunt directly on the player, but that's an adventure puzzle game.

>>29143211
>incompetence
Stop reading there.
Am I suppose to give a serious reply to a bait?
Here's a (You), since you wanted so much.

>>29141469
that really made me think, op

I consider HGSS, BW2, and emerald the holy trinity, but i think i was blinded by Drayano's hacks, because looking back it, HGSS are piss easy. The game itself is great, but it really needs more difficulty to make it amazing

BW2 are still the best games

>>29143269
>BW2 are still the best games
They're not even in the top 10.

>>29143150
>>29143150
You know what, fuck that. This is a waste of time.
Find an interview where the producers of the game call "Kanto" a post-game.
You may be wrong, I may be wrong, let's see if the producers tell us the answer.
But just put in your mind: You can't compare a game with 2 credits with a games with only one.

>>29141520
They didn't even need to cut the levels, though

15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 35, 40, 45

E4 45, 45, 50, 55, 60

Kanto 50, 50, 55, 55, 60, 60, 65, 70

Red 80-90

An ending is an ending. You can't say it's only half.

>>29143103
http://www.giantbomb.com/faux-credits/3015-4568/games/

>>29143251
If a game gets delayed 4 times in Japan how would you call the designers?

Genius? Fuck no, it's incompetence, it is thanks to the fact that at the 3rd delay a certain someone freaking optimized the data in a way that moves and Pokémon had the same place holders that a lot of data was spared, this allowed us to have a new rendition of Kanto, albeit barebones as we know it.

Kanto was added after the game was finished and optimized, heck the game designers call it postgame, gaming culture call it postgame.

You are the only retard that think Kanto was part of the GSC original design, it was a fluke that the bastardized version fit in the cartridge, it was sold as postgame.

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>>29143141
>technology grill
>not an advantage

>>29142996
Nobody cares about your Game Shark, anon. If you play the game legit there is no Safari Zone.

>>29143513
Johto exists in Gen 4 as well anon, not just Gen 2.

>>29143492
Man the colours in Sinnoh are so dull compared to the other regions

There are only 2 things that hgss do right:
>Adding gen4 evos to all johto shit mons
>dumping all rare mons in the safari zone


Everything else sucks. Hgss are only fun for a single playthrough.

>>29143575
That's an emulator problem, nothing to do with the game itself. The person who took that screenshot probably used No$GBA.

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>>29143206
Bringing up another 7th Gym Ice for comparison is fine. But if you wanna claim them as /vp/'s favorite that'd be incorrect. BW2 would be the favorite. So THIS is the comparison you should be using by saying '/vp/'s favorite.'


Though from a difficulty stand point Pt was probably #1 still, overall. Though if GameFreak weren't idiots and locked Challenge Mode behind a 'beat the game' wall it'd probably have been undoubtedly the most difficult. It's sad to be honest. All they had to do was let it be choose-able from the start.

>>29141944
Why did someone insist on having Ghost and Dragon type specialists in generations where there were only 1 or 2 lines of each type?

>>29143751
>dragon dance
>dragon tail
iconic

>>29143745
I made that image and.....oh yeah, I used no$ for that but Desmume for the other DS games. Now I wanna take it again for consistency

>>29143942
So Johto could be entirely different from Kanto's league

>>29144461
But there was the Dark type. With Murkrow, Sneasel, Houndoom, and Tyrannitar

But nope, can't ever have a dark type gym leader

>>29144461
They should've went for Dark instead of Ghost imo.

>>29142164
>he never battled Barry's ultimate team
fuck off casual

>>29143269
>he says this as B2W2 are even easier and started the immense casualization we've been getting

>>29144688
Ackshually

BW started it, BW2 and gen 6 simply continued it.

>>29142895
Wrong, pretty sure it does.