OU Muk?

>>29074148
Probably OU, yes... I hate its design

>>29074148
*uses bulldoze*
*kills ur shitty sludge*

Heh... Nice shitmon u got there kid...

>>29074207
Air Balloon

>>29074148
>he thinks this is broken

.>>29074207

OU or not, Lati@s can't even scratch it, which is a huge plus.

>But muh ground weakness

That didn't stop Heatran from being fucking everywhere, did it?

i hope he got guts for the scald burn

>>29074218
It is

>>29074148
I hope it gets pursuit, I wish to destroy the lives of shit like Lati@s and Gengar. Slap an assault vest on it for good measure.

The stats are too mediocre for it to be great. If the ability is good, maybe it'll be broken, but I doubt it.

>>29074222
Except heatran actually has a good design

>>29074148
*Tyranitar used earthquake!

pssh... nothin personnel... kid..

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>>29074256

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>naming a move that it's weak to as an argument

max level autism

>>29074222
I actually think Heatran would make Muk UU do to it being better from what we know.
Then again, I thought the same about Volcanion being UU do to it being outclassed by Heatran.

>>29074253
Normal Muk is already underrated. A gunk shot into a shadow sneak kills a surprising amount of things, and with assvest it can switch in on most special attackers, especially fairies. Plus it gets things like PuP and explosion. And it has Poison Touch as an ability, so even if you get burned you can deal some residual damage.

Only real problem is difficulty with steel types, but you can use fire punch if you find a moveslot for it.

Dark type makes it even better, because now it can easily deal with psychic types.

>>29074242
except that it doesn't have shit on bulky ground types.

forget that its weak to them, what can it do to scare ground types? it's good but not broken

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>Alola Muk gets Levitate because reasons

>>29074222
>OU or not, Lati@s can't even scratch it, which is a huge plus.
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Muk: 277-328 (66.9 - 79.2%)

>>29074326
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Muk: 185-218 (44.6 - 52.6%)

>>29074256

Heatran has one of the worst designs in the entire game, m8. It's at the bottom of the trash along with the musketeers.

>>29074342
chunking half your health bar in a single attack is still far from "can't even scratch it"

Drapion already exists and is faster with access to Swords Dance, but you don't see anyone use it. Muk may have priority, but it's slow as balls and has no reliable recovery, so a lot of things will be faster and pick off a weakened Muk, especially things like Keldeo that resist Dark. It also has no tools to break OU stall. It could be MAYBE usable as an alternative to Drapion in lower tiers.

>>29074301
Even with Assault Vest, you have to deal with being worn down by rocks. It doesn't have reliable recovery. PuP sucks on most things and Explosion is a lot harder to justify a moveslot on. Regular poison also isn't very threatening to most mons. For some, it's a blessing since they can set up without worrying about Prankster Thunder Wave.

>>29074342
And Muk is going to revover that health/switch back in a Draco how?
No resists, no buy. It's why Heatran is good even without recoveries. Wish is not reliable at all.

>>29074342
So that's half of HP down on a switch. And you can't recover that. And you can't oneshot back unless A-Muk will be able to learn Sucker Punch.

>>29074326
>That's asumming the typing is the only thing they changed about these pokes.

>Assuming A-Raticate won't be slower that normal Raticate.
>Assuming A-Sandslash won't be slower that regular Sandslash.
>Assuming A-Marowak will be just as slow regular Marowak.

T&h,at this point I want to see the datamined demo only to see if GF actually bothered to move some BS around.

>>29074242
I guess Drapion is ubers then

>>29074212
>using air baloon

Kek

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>>29074437
fuck you

>>29074410
>That's asumming the typing is the only thing they changed about these pokes
Yes, I've read OP.

It's got UU potential

>>29074362
I would be surprised if alolan Muk doesn't get pursuit. Pursuit will definitely kill after life orb and stealth rocks. Being scratched doesn't matter if they lose their Latios.

>>29074371
>>29074387
Why is recovery important, you some sort of stallfag? Removing shit like Lati@s, Gengar, or Alakazam with little issue is invaluable even if it's half dead by the end. It's also great against any Clefable, Amoonguss, or EQ-lacking M-Venusaur.

>>29074394
Assuming Latios stays in for some reason, Gunk Shot 1HKOs after stealth rocks and life orb. If it switches like it should, Pursuit would 1HKO.

>>29074418
Drapion has 70 hp, muk 105.
Def and SpDef are switched.
Drapion is faster but Muk can resist more than Drapion and it has also a better Atk(105 for Muk-90 for Drapion)

>>29074527
drapion has acupressure

>only great resist is dark
>still weak to most common move in the game
>not enough bulk to set up on anything that hits neutrally
I would've rather kept the fairy and fighting resistance and lose out on dark STAB and resist. Nothing uses psychic coverage anyways

>>29074541
Which is entirely reliant on luck, which is why Citizen Snips is not the broken behemoth it's meant to be.

>>29074489
Because for a mon that's supposed to be switching into stuff, having recovery helps them keep switching into stuff. Plus, who the fuck wants to use a mon just for a 1-1 trade? Pretty much any fire type can beat Scizor, Ferrothorn and Skarmory effortlessly, but you know why they aren't used? Because something like Talonflame, Charizard or Heatran can do more than just beat something 1 on 1 before dying.

>>29074614
But it's not just for a 1-1 trade. It has other moves that allow it to continue being useful after its job is done. Namely Explosion, as well as Shadow Sneak (or more likely Sucker Punch.)

>>29074647
M E M E N T O

>>29074647
Explosion is rarely used nowadays because of the power nerf. Shadow Sneak damage off of something with no STAB and 105 attack is worthless. If it gets Sucker Punch, maybe it'll be okay, but that's a maybe.

>yfw you realize that Alolan Muk actually hard counters Greninja

It's Skuntank, but viable.

>>29074669
Worthless? Even against something with solid natural defensive stats it'll do around 15%. Plus Poison Touch gives it that juicy 30% chance to poison, which is a good last resort (or just a last breath if you can't afford to switch)

Even better if it's super effective.

anyone else hope it's a Special attacker?

>>29074806
I wouldn't wish such a fate on any pokemon

>>29074731
15% is barely anything. Even to things that are weak to it, it doesn't do that much. You need a Choice Band just to 2HKO Latios with Shadow Sneak.

>>29074806
Only you

>>29074835
Why would you use shadow sneak to 2HKO Latios? Gunk shot into shadow sneak is more than enough even without choice band. Hell, Gunk alone will 1HKO after stealth rock and life orb.

The point is that shadow sneak is good for finishing things off after Muk has done its job. Examples:

252+ Atk Muk Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Starmie: 96-114 (37 - 44%)

252+ Atk Muk Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 44-52 (13.6 - 16%)

Plus 12% if it gets the poison. It's not much, but it may be enough to cripple a sweep or finish off something wounded.

>>29075003
It's an example of how weak it really is if it can't even 2HKO Latios without Choice Band. And in some cases, it only helps a sweep. Dragonite poisoned? It means it can't be paralyzed, can't be burned. It might even have Roost so that the poison won't even matter. It also means giving up a moveslot for something that might not even help very much.

>people expecting mons to carry ground type coverage
lmao how low is ur coil

>>29075188
Let me repeat that anon >>29075003 question:
>Why would you use shadow sneak to 2HKO Latios?
We all know that SE 40 BP move does not deal great damage without Technician/STAB.

>>29075301
Gunk Shot isn't very hard to switch into. Plus even with an Assault Vest, it's almost dead after two Draco Meteors. So why would I use this thing when I can just use Tyranitar instead?

>>29075372
Tyranitar can't do much to Clefable, and fears focus blast from many special attackers. He also lacks priority and has a generally worse defensive type, fearing things such as mach punch or bullet punch.

Another significant thing Muk counters that I forgot to mention: Serperior. Snake can't touch him.

>>29075372
If this 'thing' smells your switch you are dead from Pursuit.
Tyranitar can't handle Gengar or Starmie as was already mentioned here >>29074489 .

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>>29074313
>Aloan Muk and Grimer form off of the toxic waste the Aether group creates from its extra dimensional experiments.
>Not only does this give them levitate with a dark second typing but it also gives them shit like roar of time and spacial rend

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>>29074148
>outclassed by drapion and skuntank

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>>29075544
>more attack
>more HP
>more sp.def
>outclassed

>>29075587
drapion has swords dance, skuntank has defog and fire blast, both have better coverage moves. The only thing alolan muk will outclass is kanto muk.

>>29075435
>>29075450
You can just use Scizor if you're scared of that stuff. Even gets reliable recovery if you need it, with the only thing you really need to worry about being HP Fire. Weavile and Bisharp can do well also, although they obviously don't like switching into certain things. Muk will also have problems considering that some of those things will chunk off a large portion of its health even with an Assault Vest. Maybe it'll be situationally helpful but certainly not broken or anything.

>>29075658
drapion doesn't have enough speed to make use of swords dance and his abilities are horrible for an offensive set, so he can't do much other than set up hazards

skuntank has generally horrible stats, and muk has fire punch anyways, which will do much more than a 71 base power fire blast

muk has just as much potential coverage, from elemental punches to rock slide. only thing he's lacking is earthquake

>>29075680
as you mentioned, scizor has a significant weakness. with muk on the other hand there are virtually no ground type special attackers present in OU, and anything with earth power that isn't ground type just bounces off with 30-40% at best. HP ground is even weaker

you say some of those things will chunk off a large portion, but even life orb latios can only take off about half with draco. muk can easily survive three hits or more from any special attacker

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>>29074148
do you /unironically/ believe this thing will be ou?
it will jump some tiers for sure yes
but in a tier where earthquake mons are all faster and have 100+ attack stats (not to forget most of those have STAB too) this slow special tanky thing has no real impact

it may turn to be a monster with a curse + maranga set in lower fanfic tiers however

it's definitely an upgrade compared to skuntank that can't even work up or nasty plot if i remember correctly, being hit neutrally by u-turn ain't a problem and neutral fighting attacks after curse are decently sponged, psychic immunity is a bless and non stab dazzling gleam is very mediocre

earthquake on the other hand has always been its main problem, even after acid armor muk struggled to survive

>>29075851
you could say the same thing about heatran

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>>29074222
>comparing Flash Fire + amazing defensive AND offensive type combo that is Fire / Steel and Heatran's BST, ability to run Air Balloon, decent status spreader offensive attack and a signature offensive and trapping move like Magma Storm to Poison / Dark

Heatran alone or even better used in defensive cores with Rotom Wash (another insane defensive and offensive type, BST and ability) and your average Fairy or Ghost and so on is much more effective and practical compared to any Alolan Muk core.

>>29074148
switch spdef with speed
give it knock off

at least UU

>>29075780
Life Orb Starmie does 33-38% with Hydro Pump. That's not even factoring in Analytic if you want to switch in. There's also a chance it has Scald and makes Muk worthless. You always have to watch out for Gengar, because even if it doesn't do large damage, it can still burn you. Serperior can just switch out, it's not horribly threatened by Pursuit anyways.

>>29074547
>not enough bulk to set up on anything that hits neutrally

Not really, it can set Curse easily now and learns Payback which is STAB and reaches 180 power afterwards, much stronger than let's say Umbreon or Gen 4 Curse Payback Tyranitar.

It's more a problem with STAB Earthquake and Specs glass cannons and boosted Outrage spam.

>>29075867
yeah no dude
totally same comparison
see >>29075929

>>29074202
>I hate it's design
>Hasn't seen its design yet

You know they probably came up with a great Muk concept and threw together the Grimer design to make the evolution make sense, right?

>>29075929
>>29076017
muk is a decent status spreader, it gets body slam, which with poison touch has a 30% chance to poison and a 30% chance to paralyze

fire/steel isn't that amazing defensively, it's weak to the very common water and fighting, plus even more weak to ground than muk

and muk can also be a trapper with infestation, not as powerful but perfect accuracy. or you can just pursuit things as they try to switch

>>29074148
As one of the few who loves Muk I'm hyped to use my bro in OU viably

>>29076132
you have never gotten past 1200 on the ladder in your life

>>29076173
actually i regularly get to 1500-1700 with shitty memes like water absorb assault vest politoed

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>>29076134
>viably

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>>29075851
>>29075999

I hope she gets Oblivious to laugh at Taunt users while she spams Curse and Rest Talk Payback.

>>29076188
Replies or it didn't happen.

I believe Alolan Muk may easily find a solid place in some hard stall cores among UU and RU or RU and NU (Smogon speaking if Smogon will be ever relevant again like it was until Gen 4) but it hardly finds a place in HO 6v6 Mega Edition which are pretty much translated as Smogon's OU and UU mons.

>>29075435
Tell me about how Ttar can't do much to Clefable, choice band stone edge is a clean 2hko no matter the scenario.

>>29076551
yes but it can't risk switching into clefable, a moonblast will take out 36-77% depending on if it's offensive.

tyranitar will also want to die if it gets twaved, since it now needs to get by a 20% AND a 25% just to stone edge something. and it won't be able to outspeed anything, either.

muk actually likes getting paralyzed because that means it can't get burned. it doesn't expect to outspeed anything anyways. and i don't even need to mention that any attacks from clefable won't scratch it

>>29076633
>imblying ttar teams don't also have excadrill wot da fug:DDD

>>29077010
and some clefables carry flamethrower or fire blast