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>feraligatr
>brass knuckle

water is bullshit

>>29057022
fera doesn't look like the weapon, also delphox

>>29057022
What weapon does Poppmaid have?

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Discuss.

>>29057108
how is called popplio's weapon?

>Brass knuckle
I never get it.

>>29057108
nice one btw

>>29057022
>fire
somewhat plausible but some make it shaky (typhlosion, delphox)

>grass
Dumb

>water
Dumber.

>>29057152
>seal
>club
Kek

>>29057022
Badgers are not rats, foxes are not dogs, Venusaur is a toad, Torterra is a tortoise, Serperior is just a snek, Feraligatr doesn't use brass knuckles, Swampert doesn't use fans.

NEXT

>>29057175
it's a club? he could find a better image

>>29057163
>somewhat plausible but some make it shaky (typhlosion, delphox)
Thats the point:
Is never the exacly one, is the similar one.
"Not the pig, is the boar". "Not the dragon, is the flying reptile". ect..

>>29057022
peoppolo areo so stupido theso dayso

Someone explain how to use ferraligator to me. Why is gen II so bad?

>>29057022
The cicle is broken, Rowlet evo is the one who uses weapons.

>>29057178
>Swampert doesn't use fans.
Look at Swampert's back fin and then look at the fan

I subscribe to the Grass = prehistoric animals theory and the Fire = Zodiac theory. For Water, the only thing that I see that's a pattern is that they make sure it's based on an animal that's amphibious in real life. Nothing terrestrial or aquatic solely.

To complement >>29057163

>>29057108
>semi aquatic
This one is fine, even if it can barely be called a pattern and more GF not wanting to give the player a starter that would die without water in the first grass route.

>>29057207
Most fit fine (charizard is clearly a dragon, they just didnt want to distribute the OP rare type to the starter, blaziken is a rooster, infernape is a monkey, emboar is a boar/pig, litten3 is a tiger). Delphox is kinda half and half since a lot of japanese stuff treats dog and foxes very similar, the really hard one is typhlosion that while it's japanese name calls him a rat/mouse, he clearly looks like a badger.

>>29057178
>Venusaur is a toad

>no tadpole stage
>no association with water
>ears, fangs, claws
>Suffix -saur meaning "lizard"

it's a reptile, man, not a toad

>>29057211
The scales on Feraligatr's arms and legs resemble weight bands, which fighters use during training. It's pokedex entries take note of its powerful hind legs and speed. Maybe the brass knuckles have to do with that stuff? I don't know, I think they should have used a different weapon.

>>29057022
>Zodiac
Cyndaquil and Fenniken line breaks.
Charmander line breaks

>Prehistoric
Gen 7 Barn Owl mon breaks

>Weapons
Feraligatr, Swampert breaks

>>29057211
>Waterfall
>Crunch

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>>29057299
No dude, Venusaur is supposed to be a toad. That's why it has warts.

Although to me it resembles a bullfrog

>>29057209
Are you having a seizure?

>>29057046
>>29057163
>>29057281
Where did this "foxes aren't dogs" meme come from? They're in the same fucking biological family.

>>29057406
Is that also why it has ears and claws?

>>29057022
>grasping for straws this hard
OP is a cocksucker as per usual.

>>29057469
Goats and oxen are in the same family as well, that doesn't make them the same animal.

i think Grass Starter have all Different Plant.

Rafflesia
Geranium
Fir
Tree
Ivy
Chestnut
Bark

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>>29057108

>>29057469
Just because they're both canids doesn't make them the same animal. By that logic, Scyther is a Cockroach, and Mightyena is a Domestic Cat.
Disregarding that, they're completely different animals from a cultural/mythological standpoint, which is important when you're discussing an aspect of Chinese mythology. Dogs are loyal and dependable, Foxes are deceptive tricksters. Why do you think every Fox Pokemon has been associated with mysticism?

>>29057488
It's Japanese name is Fushigibana, which is just a pun on the phrase "fushigi na hana" which means "strange plant". It's not supposed to be literally a toad, it's supposed to be weird and different. Like when you see it you say "wtf is this?"

Just look at it's ingame model in XY/ORAS. It's stance is that of a toad.

>>29057299
Not all toads have tadpole stages. And it is mixed with a cat.

>>29057469
That's like saying niggers are white.

>>29057551
So, a lion is not a cat.

>>29057551
No one is claiming that they're the same animal. This is what anti zodiacfags don't get. The fire starters have a chinese zodiac motif going on, sometimes with small references or the exact animal, but they're all still related. The cow/ox could be a bull or minotair, the sheep could be a goat, the tiger could be a cat, lion, panther, etc, the serpent could evolve into a eastern dragon and they would still fit.
The only thing that wouldn't is something completely different and unrelated, like an elephant, a cockroach, a fruit, a bird, etc

>>29057108
>Robinhoot
>Haast's Eagle
>Implying owls are birds

>>29057037
>>29057046
>>29057160
>>29057178
>>29057211


feraligator and the brass knuckles makes sense. just put feraligator on your and and his back spikes are the knuckle spikes. how are you guys this stupid not to get that?

>>29057704
>shitposting this hard
>still denying that there's a (sometimes subtle) chinese theme with the fire starters after 7 generations

>>29057662
How badgers and echidnas are not completely different to rats?

>>29057662
Sorry, but they do have to be the same animal for it to logically follow a zodiac theme. As mentioned, Foxes are as far apart from dogs as possible. If they really intended for the Pokemon to resemble a dog without being an actual dog, they'd go for something like a Wolf.
This is the problem with Zodiacfags, they reach as far ad possible to justify their bizarre theory. What if we had an Earthworm? Zodiacfags would instantly say "It's long and limbless, like a snake! Close enough!"
Hell, using your OWN logic, how do you justify the Cyndaquil line? None of them even resemble a rodent at all. Do you simply say "T-the Pokedex calls it a fire m-mouse" and call it a day?

>>29057662
I don't really care, but that post was only highlighting that being in the same family doesn't mean it's the same animal.
I mythology and symbolism you can swap a few and it would work, but not because you can represent dogs with foxes they are the same animal.

>>29057759
no it doesn't because the zodiac already falls apart in the second gen
>hurr but cyndaquil the fire mouse pokemon
too bad its japanese name is a pun on porcupine and the fire on its back looking like quills just reinforces this. off yourself retard

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>>29057704
Popolio is a barking sea lion that becomes a mermaid. As a seals are literally "dog mermaids"

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>>29057550
>Charizard isn't a dragon

>>29057728

You're a fucking idiot.

>>29057759

>denying the water zodiac this hard

>>29057209
>so
>not soo
Learno too speako someo japaneseo, whito piggu.

>>29057810
Eastern dragons and western dragons are completely different animals.

>>29057786
>Sorry, but they do have to be the same animal for it to logically follow a zodiac theme
That's your opinion, and it's obviously not what chinese fags think. No one has ever claimed that foxes are dogs, and cyndaquil is called mouse in the pokedex.
Not bothering to read the rest, because it's irrelevant, you're looking at it from an entirely different angle and keep ignoring the actual argument

>>29057843
It's still a dragon. A German Shepard and a pug are both still dogs.

>>29057448

/thread

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>>29057550
How is Venusaur not a Synapsid? They're literally mammals with reptilian characteristics.

>>29057861
No. that's like saying catfish are cats. They only share the name.

>>29057849
Actually, that's exactly what zodiacfags think, "Canine = Dog, therefore Fox = Dog". You don't really have a valid theory or argument if it relies entirely upon make-believe.
>m-muh Pokedex
Ok, Blastoise is a shellfish. Got it.

>>29057662
that "motif" is only there in the first place because you decide to stretch your broken theory as much as you can so it fits even though it's blatantly wrong.

You want to consider a fox as a dog because they are in the same family while ignoring that the sheep and the Ox are in the same family but purposefully kept separate for being a different animal.

You want to consider an Echidna as a rat because it has fire mouse as it's descript, By this same logic Typhlosion is an actual volcano.

You only count charmander line because of it's final stage, never mind the fact that Typhlosion is in no way a Rat.

>>29057881
How the fuck that horrible thing resembles venusaur at all? My ass looks closer to venusaur than that.

>>29057861
It's really not. Eastern dragons are only called dragons out of Western convenience. It's like calling a Kirin a Unicorn.

>>29057896
You keep saying the same thing. Foxes aren't dogs, fennekin represents the dog because their families are closely related and the fox gets praised in the year of the dog.
Let's say for a second you're right and Zodiacfags think exactly like you (they don't, they know they aren't supposed to be the literal animals, something you want to force), how do you explain the other 5 starters? a mere coincidence?

>>29057950
>a mere coincidence?
Yes, they are popular animals in Asia, after all.

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>>29057906
Venusaur isn't aquatic, and is a a mishmash of mammalian and reptilian parts. A Synapsid would suit it perfectly.

>>29057886
>>29057919
Then what the hell is the correct name for whatever the fuck a European dragon is?

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>>29057022
>>29057108
>all the fags in this thread that don't know these images were created to mock zodiacfags and weren't meant to be taken seriously

>>29057022
Both water and grass are forced as shit

>>29057843
>>29057919
Then how come the Eastern dragon (Gyarados) isn't a dragon, while the Western one (Dragonite) is a dragon? Charizard is more similar to Dragonite than Gyarados.

>>29058031
>Venusaur isn't aquatic
Neither are garchomp, stunfisk, hippodown, etc

It is just a warted toad with cat ears and claws, just like other pokemon who are also mixed like squirtle who is a mix of squirrel and turtle.

>>29057950
You mean the other 4; Charizard is a western dragon, not a long.
Otherwise, yes. Blaziken is based on cockfighting, Infernape and Emboar are both based on characters from Journey to the West, Luchalitten is based on a wrestler. You're making connections where there aren't any.

>>29058076
I'm the anon they replied to but the typing of the Pokémon doesn't really mean much since GF can give the Pokémon a type based on whatever they want

>>29058019
>badger

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>>29058077
Please explain how this is inaccurate. Its some pretty interesting shit.

>>29058045
Drake.
"Dragons" if, we apply that exclusively to the chinese base of the godly lizards.
Drakes would sport large wings, bipedal or quadripeadl.
Wyrms would basically be draconic snakes who have wings but no other limbs.
Wyverns would have wings in place of a set of arms.
And then there's the Qilin or whatever that's the fucked up deer things Arceus and Corrin's dragon form are based on.

>>29058108
it's a bunch of retarded stretches with even dumber explanations

>>29058045
European dragons are dragons, the problem is white pigs use the same word for sheng longs. They don't even use the correct word for China.

To all anti-zodiacfags
It doesn't matter what you think, as I already said, you think they should be the literal animals, but Zodiacfags don't. Why is it so hard to look at it from their view point? I can, you should be able too. You can't just change the argument to prove it wrong, you're proving YOUR argument wrong. As I've already said, the only way to break this pattern is to make a fire starter from something completely unrelated. A bug, a frog, a turtle, a repeated animal like a dog, wolf, lion, mouse, a bird, etc. You're not getting their side of the argument, you cannot prove it wrong
This is just going in circles, you adapt it to fit your criteria and prove/disprove it, but the ONLY way to end this argument would be that, an unrelated animal. By gen 12, we could have 8 literal zodiac animals and 4 related ones, and this same discussion would keep happening, a side with "not the same animal, mere coincidences" and another with "they're closely related, so they fit"

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>>29058077
>Rick and Morty

>>29058098
Now this is advanced denial, let's ignore one of the themes, right? a wrestler can't possibly be a tiger, right?

>>29058120
Don't all of those still technically count as a type of dragon though?

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>there are still people denying the electric type zodiac

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>>29058160
>family guy

>>29057550
>Swampert isn't a mudskipper
>Torterra doesn't have clear ankylosaurus inspirations

>>29058180
Yes. Entirely.
They're all "subspecies" of dragons.
Anti-Zodiacfags wanna throw a hissyfit because both the Zodiac Dragon is eastern, even if the Charmander line is the jap myth of the salamander.

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>>29058194
>Wander over Yonder

>>29058194
>>29058160
>unfunny memers

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>>29058076
GF dragon types are european dragons (Doragon), not eastern dragons (Ryū).

Also Gyrados is a dragon like koi, but it is closer to kois than dragons.

>>29058171
I didn't say that, did I? I said there's no connection between them, and that there are valid reasons behind their designs apart from a clickbait-tier theory.

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>>29057022
>serperior being a snake somehow means that it's a prehistoric animal
>even though it's smaller than ones that currently exist

could mozart be still alive??

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>Danganronpa

>>29057022
sugomori went on record saying serperior was based of french aristocracy as depicted in rose of versailles

>>29058188
Forgot Eelsnektross

>>29058128
>Fennekin can be a dog without being a dog!
>Cyndaquil can be a rat without being a rat!
>Charmander can be a long without being a long!
This is your "argument". Why is it surprising that most people aren't retarded? Why should we pretend to be retarded?

>>29058188
Plusle and Minun are bunnies, you should add them as rabbits. Also togedemaru as pig (hedgeHOG) for some laughs.

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>>29057532

Yeah it does.

>>29058262
please take your pedobait back to /co/

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>>29058217
>Looney toons

>>29058195
Swampert is an axolotl and torterra is a tortoise.

>>29058243
Its evolutionary line represents how snakes slowly lost their limbs through evolution. I'd say it represents a prehistoric animal more than any other grass starter.

>>29057550
>Charizard is not a dragon
kek

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>>29058243
>implying serperior is a snake

>>29058307

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>>29058300
monsters inc

>>29057532
The only way they're not the same animal is if you refuse to read books

>>29058230
Sorry, a part of my post got cut off. I meant to say that Charizard does fit as a dragon, you can't honestly expect that they had the idea from the start. most likely someone pointed it by the 4th or 5th generation and they decided to roll with it.
And by the second point, I meant that the animals are the base theme, they didn't think of a wrestler first and decided to make it a tiger, they thought of the masked tiger wrestler. So saying that they were based on the secondary theme is not likely

>>29058283
It's not "can be a literal dog", it's "can fit as the dog". I have no horse in this race, so I'm out. You can continue to pretend to be retarded, you're no different for changing their arguments.

>dude! that girl looks like a guy!
>it's not a guy
>I know, but it looks like a guy.
>but it's not a literal guy
>I'm not saying that. I said that it looks like a guy
>it's. not. a. guy. shut up reeeeeeeeeee

>>29058359
>you can't honestly expect that they had the idea from the start. most likely someone pointed it by the 4th or 5th generation and they decided to roll with it.
This is my current theory. I used to be staunchly anti-Zodiac and I considered Fennekin and later Litten to be the final nails in the coffin, but after seeing that Luchalitten is explicitly referred to as a tiger internally I'm kind of wondering if they are just running with it at this point. Gen 8 is going to be what really makes or breaks it for me.

>>29058422
Also, I think it's painfully obvious that the weapons thing and the prehistoric animals thing are bunk, and equally obvious that all of the Water starters are semi-aquatic animals.

>>29058359
If they thought of the animals first, why is there a fox and badger?
A Fox is not an appropriate stand-in for a dog, no matter how much you pout and stamp your feet.

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>>29058276
only first stage - added Tynamo
>>29058285

>>29058287
>>29058352
there in distinct genus, oxen are bos and goats are Capra

saying there the same is saying chimpanzees and humans are the same

>>29058413
Looks are fucking sbjective, assiryans used the same word for canine and feline.
>Litten confirm dog zodiac!

>>29058329
delete this

>>29058462
It's almost complete! Please GF add mokey and ox this gen.

>>29058413
But it CAN'T fit as a dog. That's the point. Your theory falls apart when you stop playing pretend.

>>29058496
>>29058462
are you trolling?

>>29057022

water is based on semi-aquatic animals
or whatever its called

>>29058462
Add Elekid on monkey

>>29058475
So are foxes and dogs, Vulpus and Canis respectively.
Fox and Dog are literally as close to eachother as Goat and Ox.

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>>29057108

arrowlet

is obviously a Ornimegalonyx

prehistoric island owl

>>29058499
its sufficiently dog like to play the role you mong

if you're going to argue biological semantics argue the fact they cast a fucking anteater as a mouse there entirely different orders of mammals as opposed to being in the same subfamily

>>29058499
But that's their argument, it can because their families are close, this isn't a "both are mammals" thing. I heard a chinese say that the foxes get praised in the year of the dog, but I can5 find anything online. The single biggest stretch is the cyndaquil line. it simply doesn't fit at all.
I still think that it started on gen 5, because there are too many coincidences

>>29058565
>>29058623
Honestly I want every generation from here on out have afire starter that kinda fits but not really. Like a water buffalo, mountain goat, eel, tapir, and a pika

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>>29057550
>Torterra is not a Anky
>Greninja is not a Frog
>Swampert is not a mudskipper
kek

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>>29058587
I wanted to correct you but then I looked at it legs and fuck

>>29058620
Again, it's not "sufficiently dog like" at all. How is an animal known for slyness and deception remotely similar one to an animal known for loyalty? The theory is based on an aspect of culture and mythology; If it doesn't fit that way, it doesn't fit at all.

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>>29058778
Fenniken is a long hair chihuahua thou

>>29058462
>grasping this hard
It's one of those "it's not there, but I want to see it" posts.
>it's a hedgeHOG
Neck yourself. It's liberally the fire zodiav thing all over again.

>>29058842
thats_the_joke.jpg

ITT: Zodiac fags getting triggered again.

Cybdaquil was the one that really broke this argument. And if anyone says "b-but it's the mouse pokemon", you're an even bigger idiot especially since shrews, weasels and badgers have nothing in common with a mouse.

>>29058842
*literally
I probably shouldn't type this fast

>>29058870
I get that, but you know there will be that one idiot that's gonna believe it.

>>29058887
Cyndaquil broke a pattern that didn't exist yet?
youdon'tsay.tiff

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>>29057070
Voice.

>>29057728
>crocodilians are known for their extremely powerful bite force
>whole line is "big jaw pokemon"
>totodile is known for biting everything
>learns various biting moves
>it's totally based on brass knuckles

>>29058714
>Torterra is not a Anky

it's not it's clearly a tortoise

for one its legs splay out sideways something impossible for an ankylosaur to do. Second ankylosaurs didn't have almost circular bodies. lastly the head shape is wrong they had wide flat heads.

>>29058778
your baking up the wrong fucking tree you autistic fuckwit

the fox dog is the least worse problem with the zodiac theory

anteaters have more in common with elephants sea cows and whales then the do with mice hell mice have more in common with us than they do anteaters. Fucking infernape is biologically a better fit for mouse than typhlosion

on perspective the last common ancestor of a mouse and an anteater lived before the dinosaurs went extinct

the split between dogs and foxes is 7 to 10 million years ago

and you're throwing a spastic fit over a fennec fox being called a dog

>>29058915
>didn't exist yet
If it really was a pattern, it should have been from the very beginning rather then to start in 5th gen I think ? Cause that's probably when it started to be forced.

But either way, this is one of those things I don't really take serious especially with just how desperate zodiac supporters can be.

>>29057797
>implying porcupines aren't rodents.

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>>29058307
Swampert's fins are clearly inspired by a mudskipper's

Torterra has an ankylosaur's head spikes and body shape

Pokemon can be based on multiple things

>>29057786
it doesn't mean the literal species of domestic dog you dumbass. it just means a canine

>>29057022
>Typhlosion
>Rat

it says Cyndaquil is a mouse but it make no sense. it's interesting how the chinese zodiac system fits though.

>>29057551
Fucking retard.
A rat isn't a hedgehog

it's literally the inspiration that come from canids, stop being an uterless and worthless faggot denial retardedfag

>>29057022
now I'm curious. going after chinese zodiacs, that would mean that the fire starter pokemon after Litten in the games released after Sun/Moon will be a Fire-Bunny and the line after that it will be a Fire-Serpent.

>>29059012
holy crap how is /vp/ so dumb.

there are prehistoric turtles too you know? why not use one for torterra because it's a fucking tortoise not an ankylosaur

>>29057551
hyenas are feliformes NOT FELINES

cockroaches are Blattodea and mantids are Mantodea


how are you guys so stupid about animals when that is what these games is about?

>>29059077
It means the next fire starter could be a bear and Zodiacfags would still find a way to call it a rabbit.

>>29057108
also haast's eagle is not prehistoric. it went extinct in the 1400s and why are you using an eagle for an owl?

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>We literly just got a tiger
>People are still in denial

>>29059132
>3 Pokemon already break the theory
>WHY WONT YOU BELIEVE OUR SHITTY THEORY WE KEEP FORCING

wew

>>29059220
>three
I count two.

>>29059077
The order is completely random.

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>>29057108
Did samurott just eat swampert!?

>>29057108
>>29057022
>Venusaur
>Dicynodont
youre grasping at straws

>>29059240
Charmander requires stretching to only consider its final form.

>>29059307
pls

>>29057247
Does he fight with his back?
Don't follow the spic meme pls

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>>29059266
More like a white Basculin. I don't think Mudskippers live in the Amazon.

>>29059266
>implying swampert is a fucking trout

>>29059004
Too bad stoats and badgers aren't.

>>29059511
That is terrifying! holy shit

>>29058714
Greninja is not THAT frog. That one is poisonous, Greninja is one of these that lay eggs in foam.

Also swampert is an axolotl and torterra is a tortoise.

>>29057022
Stop forcing your stupid trends spic

>>29057022
>Chinese zodiac isn't in order or released in conjunction with proper year
>wolverine is rat
>fox is dog
>Feraligatr is brass knuckles despite not having anything on it
>Marshtomp is war fan... Samurott is also war fan because the designer literally said its' tail is based on one too.

>Fire
Chinese Zodiac + Fighting style
I know, it that is true than magic is a fighting style, but GameFreak is stupid enough to allow that
>Water
Semiaquatic + Weapon

>Grass
Prehistoric Animal + flower or fruit
....I don't know, that feels dumb, but looking for pattern will always feel like that.

>>29060218
Honey badger is a fighting style?

>>29060569
its called being a badass

>>29057108
>rowlet
>not using grallistrix
>it's literally native to hawaii

>>29057108
>foxes are dogs
>canids are dogs

>>29057469
So are humans and monkeys but you don't see anyone autismally declaring Infernape a human do you?

>>29057022
>Porcupine/Wolverine things are rats
>Foxes are dogs

No.

>>29057070
Mace?

>>29060990
typhlosion is a yellow human

>>29057108
>swampert
>a mudskipper
>not an axolotl

>>29061040
quagsire and wooper exist

>>29061067
Yes, and?

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>>29057022

No matter how much denialfaggots deny it, the zodiac is a real pattern and water is all amphibious animals.
No idea what grass is. It's not prehistoric animals though.

>>29061040
>>29061067
Wooper and Quagsire are salamanders. Giant Japanese Salamanders to be exact. Salamaders have gills just like an axolotl when they're young, hense wooper.

Swampert-line is an Axolotl. (And part mudskipper somehow?)
Similar animals, but not the same.

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>>29057108
>Club
>Seal

>>29060218
>fire = zodiac + fighting style
Think it actually might just be that fire must be blatantly encorporated into their design.

>Charizard's flaming tail
>Typhlosion's neck flames
>Blaziken's flame pattern on legs and fire bursts out of wrists
>Infernape's heads on fire
>Emboar's shoulder/neck flames
>Delphox's wand fire/fire symbol on skirt thing
>Litten3's fire belt

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>>29061133
So this is rat? Where is its caracteristic wormlike tail?

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>>29057108
>torterra
>ankylosaurus
>not a cabonemys
d u l l a r d s

>>29061246
Thats more a design joice than an inspiration, tho.

>>29057550
The only thing you got right is Rowlet, as it's fonal evo is a cuban giant owl

>>29061355
>not both

>>29061133
>muh denialfags
Wow, the obsession never ends.

>>29057022
Debunked with gen 7.
The weapon based one is definitely Rowlet now, and none represent a prehistoric animal.

>>29057375

Prehistoric isn't broken, there's such things as prehistoric animals.

>>29062899
Literally all animals are prehistoric, stop this meme.

>>29057022

It's really more by generation

>Gen 1
Mutations based on Air, Water, Land

>Gen 2
Life Cycle/Growth, Mammal, Flowers and Reptiles

>Gen 3
Adaptability/Evolution, flightless bird, a speedy dinosaur, a mud dwelling amphibian.

>Gen 4
Gods, Hanuman, Genbu, Poseidon

>Gen 5
Noble Warriors from, China, France and Japan

>Gen 6
Old RPG archetype, Mage, Fighter, Rogue

>Gen 7
Gender Roles, masculinity, femininity and androgyny.

>>29062857
Litten should've been a sabre toothed tiger

>>29057108
>prehistoric animal
>Haast's eagle

wew lad

>>29057108
Could it also be argued that, from parts 3 and beyond, the fire starters were based off of fighting styles?
Blaziken=muay thai or kick boxing
Infernape=kung fu
Emboar=sumo
Delphox=Magic (like in an rpg)
Then, if luchalitten is real, we could throw professional wrestling into the mix?

>>29057022
>mfw this thread
Sometimes I wonder if we're all just overthinking this and Gamefreak just made the starters without THIS much depth. Yeah, the gen 6 starters obviously have a theme, but other than that, is it really all that much? The zodiac is pretty accurate, but the prehistoric animals is debatable, and the weaponry one is just not entirely consistent (especially with Feraligatr and Swampert). Remember how people thought Pyukumuku would be Water/Fire because it had the symbol for fire on its face when really that was just a butthole thingy? What if the whole alchemy thing is just us overthinking? Is Gamefreak really that accurate with detail?

The worst part about all this is that we will never ever know the truth.

>>29057022
>shuriken
But Greninja's design has no shuriken in it. They're his signature move, yeah, but his design, which is the basis for that image, has no pointy ninja star.

>>29065569
the X shapes on his thighs, also his general ninja-based appearance