Best starter /vp/?

>femaleonly2.0

>>29025951
You misspelled worst

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I want to FUCK her

If this thing doesn't get serene grace...

>>29025987
>Serene grace
>60% scald rate

I don't know whether im angry or excited.

>>29025978

Ebin.

>>29025951
Rowlet > Litten > Popplio

Brionne > Dartrix > Torracat

Robinhoot > Poppmaid > Luchacat

>>29026003
Still not as bad as Air Flinch.

>>29026003

And Ice Beam and Moonblast.

Yeah

Brionne's the best

I don't really give a damn about the lady in the gown, that no longer looks like a sea lion

Brionne may be girly, but at least she looks more like a sea lion than this bleached Barbie

>>29026029
It's worse considering you can outspeed the air flincher.

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>>29025981
And this is why people hate popmaid

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Of course, OP!
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>>29026045
>muh realism

>>29026076
cropped porn?

>>29026086

I think it's something to mimic the PMD profile avatars. Not porn.

>>29025951
I don't care about the porn but the frills on its tail and the spikes right below its hips annoy the ever-loving shit out of me.

>>29025951
Objectively the worst starter ever. Even the mountain sized shit pile that is Chesnaught is preferable to that thing.

>>29026167
why would the spikes be near the feet?

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>>29026168
>Objectively

>>29026062
People want to fuck any pokemon, even you.

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>>29026045
>no longer looks like a sea lion
>literally a bigger Popplio with hair

where the hell would her vagina be located

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>>29026184
Yeah I know, but it starts getting bad if they mention their lust in ever fucking thread. The chances are much lower in for example a Feraligatr thread

>>29025951
If Dr.Seuss was a furfag and he was asked to draw a mermaid,Poppmaid is what would happen

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>>29025951

Yes, indeed.

>>29025951
It is LITERALLY the worst starter, and by quite a margin.

I'm a girl. Not a tomboy, a real girl. And I hate that abomination. The idol crap going on there is so disgusting... I have usually no problem with over the top feminine pokemon but the plastic mermaid toy doll .... They tried too hard. As much as I love Florges, I don''t understand how they went this far with a starter final evolution. Godamnit drop the pink, it's making me sick to look at it.

God no. Honestly I've become more tolerant to it. But in the same way I'm tolerant of Keldeo and Rhyperior. Yeah it's an awful pile of hot garbage and I'd prefer it didn't exist. But I just won't use one and not think about it.

>>29025951
Yes

>>29026062
Ah yes, of course that's why you do

>>29026399
That's just your biased opinion on idols showing, when you have worse stuff like Jynx and yes, Florges

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>>29026399
>I have usually no problem with over the top feminine pokemon
>complains about it being over the top

>>29026467
>Yeah it's an awful pile of hot garbage and I'd prefer it didn't exist

Did it kill your family?

>>29026279
>anything
>worst than Samurott

Good joke.

>>29026813
>samurott
>not meganium or typhlosion

>>29026813
It's the second worst, but it's not anywhere near as bad as the visual abomination that is Poppmaid. I'd go as far as saying that it's not just the worst starter, but that it is literally the ugliest Pokemon I've ever seen. It's really fucking shit.

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>>29026867
>I'd go as far as saying that it's not just the worst starter, but that it is literally the ugliest Pokemon I've ever seen. It's really fucking shit.

>>29026894
>unironically defending poopmaid
Please leave. Now.

>>29026894
I am.

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>>29025951
yes,new favorite starter.

>>29026942
>Wahh! People disagree with my opinion!

>>29026867
>Jynx, MrMime, Triggeredfish, etc are better than this
Your irrational hate for a well-thought-out and pretty design is almost amusing

>>29026813
>samurott
>not the abomination called "torterra"

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>>29025951
That does not look like Torterra. Hopefags are so funny.

>>29026971
Everyone in the entire world is morally justified in hating this abomination, especially since we all wanted a manly clown.

>>29026971
Nice meme picks. I'm glad you let /vp/ do your thinking for you.

>>29026971
He didn't mention any well thought out designs, though. He's talking about poppo3.

>>29025951
nice bait
not even close
only .01% above luchalitten which is dead last

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>>29026399
>its a whale being insecure over 2d episode

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>>29026971
>Your irrational hate for a well-thought-out and pretty design is almost amusing

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>>29026995
>especially since we all wanted a manly clown.

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>>29025951
nah

Frankly, I just wanted Popplio to evolve into something obese, ugly and retarded to laugh at Poppliofags about.

Since I couldn't even get that, I will just have to bash the piece of shit out of spite.

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>>29026991
>implying that torterra is best starter.
dude, are you blind??

>>29026997
>Mr. Mime and Jynx
>meme picks

>>29026971
>well thought out and designs
>"Okay so a deal has kind of a mermaid body, right? How about we just make it a mermaid with float hair and shit the stick seashell jewelry all over it because it's a water Pokemon. Because it's a mermaid, right?"

I'm not saying anything for or against poppmaid's design. But to call it well thought out and designed is a fucking stretch to say the least

>>29026995
no. no we didn't.

>>29026995
>we all
no, we didn't. clowns aren't likeable, and balliofags think their opinion is the only thing that matters

>>29026996
>meme picks
what? do you actually like one of these things? seriously?
If I didn't think for myself, I would hate Popplio like you are doing right now

>>29026997
it is, you can dislike it, but calling it lazy or the worst Pokemon is incorrect, unoess you don't know what that word means, or you refuse to open your eyes

>>29027032
m'anon

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>>29027090
>implying that is not
I dislike it when people have wrong opinions

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>>29026399
I'm a girl. I'm also a tomboy. And I fucking love Popplio3.

The personality it has going on in great, both concept and execution are great, and I legit do not have a problem with a 87.5% male Pokemon being female and vice-versa.

Florges is a fucking abomination my g what the fuck are you smoking, how can one's taste be so shit.

>Not a tomboy
>a REAL GIRL
That frequents the one of the lesser quality forums on 4chan? Get off of your high horse, we're all degenerates in this cesspool.

>>29027055
>>29027114
>>29027116
Yes let's just fucking ignore that every fucking fan evolution for Popplio out there are CLOWNS and variations of CLOWNS. Fucking delusional dipshits.

>>29027137
>Get off of your high horse, we're all degenerates in this cesspool
Most of 4chan is normie central, buddy. It's not 2006 anymore, and we're not on /b/.

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>>29027161
>every fucking fan evolution for Popplio out there are CLOWNS and variations of CLOWNS.

Why are clownfags so stupid?

>>29027137
I'm a woman, and I feel that any starter that looks overly feminine like braixen or popp3 is a dumb idea. If they're going to do shit like that, the least they could do is flip the gender ratio.

>>29027236
Bottom left is blatantly a jester, don't try to fool anyone here.

>>29027247
>le gender ratio meme

Starters are only 87.5% male to keep them rare. Eevee's is the same for this exact reason, and yet it has feminine looking evolutions like Glaceon and Sylveon. This argument is just weak.

>>29027111
It is, the developers thought about it for a long time, longer than any fan evo out there at least. I mean, just look at them, they're all just bigger Popplios with circus themes, no one predicted a mermaid, so assuming they just thought about it on a whim or that the transition to it makes no sense is false

>>29027161
And since when do fan evolutions matter? what the hell do you mean by this?
Fans just take the designs at face value and fantazise about the evolutions, without at least taking a look at the DESCRIPTIONS that should give you a real look at the concept and themes of the monster.
Fanfiction is always right? is that your point?

You CAN hate it, even for petty reasons such as "my fanfiction was wrong? no! it can't be! i hate it", but outright calling it the worst Pokemon is ridiculous hyperbole, and makes me think you're still not a functioning adult. Everything you may hate about it, exists in worse form in earlier generations

Do we seriously have to have multiple threads a day talking about how awful poppmaid is, then people shouting how wrong that is, and vice versa?

The fact that this has to be the most polarizing starter in a while should speak for itself.

Literally no one in these threads is ever going to change the opinions of the people they're arguing with. You're all screaming into the void here.

>>29026399
>>29027137
>>29027247
Okay at least one of you isn't female.

>>29027273

Way to miss the point.

>>29027318
The furfuckers started it.

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>>29027247
>Caring about a pokemon's gender

>>29027318
We're fighting for a just cause to ensure that waifufags and furfags never has any say in the designs of all future pokemon in the future. With these threads, we're ensuring that Poppmaidfags learn that they're unwelcome on /vp/.

>>29026399

Another girl here, I'm here to back you up. I've had so many female pokemon influence in my life, literally never even cared about them. Some times, I pick them, other times, I simply don't, but that doesn't mean I hate them, I acknowledge that they exist and don't mind them at all.

I honestly don't care if I get flak for this, it's just a bloody opinion, but I seriously just do not like Poppmaid (or whatever her name might become) at all. It's supposed to be cute and elegant, but quite frankly, I actually think it's not. It feels like too much of a forced evolution, even after having seen Brionne. And maybe I wouldn't mind her that much if there were splits, but if there so happens to be none, yeah, it leaves me a bit mad because this is kind of a big fuck you to sea lions. I feel like I could tolerate the idea, but the idea of the Popplio line being so inclined towards it being even more feminine than any starter we ever had despite the fact that sea lions do have tremendous gender differences is really unsettling to me as well.

I mean, it's not that we shouldn't have feminine starters, because we always had them to begin with, seriously, we can't deny them, but what in bloody tarnation happened to gender neutrality here because it feels like they threw that out the window for the sake of making a idol pokemon.

>>29027247
I'm attack helicopter, and I consider it a grave insult that there's no pokemon based on an attack helicopter yet. They should have made Popplio's evolution an attack helicopter.

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>>29027366
>implying those groups had any say in any GF pokemon design ever

>>29027337
Those people are faggots. You're also a faggot. Choose to be less of a faggot and hide bait threads.

>>29027366
>implying fan input has ever or will ever influence the actual games in any way ever.

>>29027366
holy shit
is this satire? you deserve a (You)

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>>29027366

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>>29027247
>caring about gender.
i guess... you are a tumblrina, right??

>>29027395
No fuck you, I'm going to fight the good fight and engage every furfaggot I see. It's a meme war lad, and we can't all be draft evaders like yourself.

>>29027307
Guy, it's literally JUST a fucking mermaid seal. That's it. Just because a concept artist sketched out four or five versions- if that- before refining it and settling on a version they like doesn't make it some grand magnum opus. It makes it the most basic thing I could possibly imagine that some guy spent an undetermined amount of time on.

Also don't talk shit. You have no idea how much time anyone put on it because you don't work there and you don't know the guy who did it. For all you know it was shitscribbled on a diner placemat.

Also also comparing it to fan guesses has absolutely no basis whatsoever to the quality of the design. It just shows that it was unexpected. Which is subjectively a good or a bad thing. By that logic, in the alternate dimension where clownlio is real, we're having this exact same thread, and you're saying "it's just popplio but bigger and with a mermaid motif"

>>29027307
>but outright calling it the worst Pokemon is ridiculous hyperbole
Why? I genuinely 100% think that it's the ugliest Pokemon that I've ever seen. That's not hyperbole, that's the absolute truth.

That sceptile is drawn weirdly

>>29027467
>Guy, it's literally JUST a fucking mermaid seal.

Oh, the "it's literally just an X" meme, which can be applied to 99% of Pokemon.

>>29027497
>that's my subjective opinion
ftfy, with included redundancy

>>29027467
You can dismiss ANY Pokemon with that. It's just a fire dragon, It's just a emperor penguin, It's just a fox magician, etc. Of course it's just that, this isn't Digimon. It's not a magnum opus, but it's not a thoughtless design either

>>29027521
Yeah. It can. Which doesn't change a thing when I say "it's well thought out" doesn't mean shut.

Nice goalposts though.

>>29027555
>>>I genuinely 100% think
No shit it's my opinion you illiterate cretin.

>>29027621
I just replaced the last part
>That's not hyperbole, that's the absolute truth.
It's not the absolute truth

Anyway, I don't believe you're being serious, you'll probably calm down once the game releases and you forget about your clown dreams. Jynx exists, and outside nostalgia, no one would ever pick her over this mermaid clusterfuck.

>>29026399
>Thinks adding the fact that their a girl makes their shitty opinion anymore valid.

>>29027820
It's the absolute truth that I think it's the ugliest Pokemon out of all of them. How hard is this to comprehend?
>Anyway, I don't believe you're being serious
Anyway, I don't believe you're being serious about not thinking it's the shittiest Pokemon ever. See? I can do it too.

>>29026867
You're just baiting at this point anon.

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I like it. It's my favorite water starter anyway. My bro Cyndaquil will forever be No. 1

>>29027893
>Not agreeing with me means you're baiting!
Epin.

I really like the design. It may top Empoleon as my favorite starter design, though I want to see the model for Popp3 before I make a final decision.

>>29026995
>Thinking that is legitimate reason to hate.

I wanted a Clown strongman sea lion at first too. But I'm satisfied with Poppmaid.

>>29027247
>Assuming the fact that you're a girl makes your shitty opinion anymore valid.

>>29027927
It's a perfectly legitimate reason to hate when the 'could have been' is superior to the real deal.

>>29027913
Same could be said about you anon.

>>29028008
No it couldn't, because I haven't accused anyone of baiting.

>>29027988
>Superior to the real deal

What makes it superior?

>>29027883
Ok, I believe you, anon. Sorry for doubting you

>>29028036
The fact that it's a manly clown and not a shitty mermaid..

>>29028050
Thanks.

>>29028075

That's subjective anon.

>>29026995
I really didn't.

>>29028091
>MUH SUBJECTIVE

At this point, subjectivefags are worse and more obnoxious than objectivefags.

>>29028036
Imaginary things are better than the real deal 100% of the time. Everyone shits on every single Pokemon, it could be the same or even worse if Popplio became a clown or Litten became my mom's tiger, and people here find this hard to believe.
Not everyone can be happy, but the outrage is retarded, but hey, this is 4chan

>>29025951
She's so fucking bad lmao,

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>>29026867
>Autism

>>29028117
autism

>>29028134
Ebic.

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>>29028075
>Balliofag

>>29027247
I'm a guy and I like Pop 3. Not even sexually either, since I'm more into legs. I just think its a nice thematic evolution and is aesthetically pleasing to me. It being feminine literally doesn't mater to me as the only impact it has is making it more annoying to breed.

>>29028208
Same. I didn't care about Popplio before this, but
>Acrobat > Idol > Diva
is more appealing to me than
>Clown > Clown > Clown
Ballio looks like a shittier Walrein desu, so I'm glad it didn't go that route

>>29028118
This. What's the point of whining about this stuff constantly?

>>29028036
We're not master psychologists lad. We can only speculate as to what precisely about any given design makes it appealing or abhorrent to us. You've got two choices: We literally never talk about Pokemon designs again since none of our opinions really matter, or we continue to do as we do right now and argue over obviously subjective opinions.

>>29027366
Fans have nothing to do with designs. If seeing this Pokémon gives you a boner, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!

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>>29028263
Popplio is not a Crobat, anon.

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Here's why so many people are mad:
Honestly, Popmaid is a really cool design. If it's part Fairy it might be one of my favorite starters ever. The thing is, Ballio was an even better design and now it seems we aren't getting it. That sucks.

>>29028322
>Ballio was an even better design
kys

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>>29028322
Walrein > Ballio
I already have my manly walrus, so I'm not sad

>>29028403
I'm not really sure why you think Ballio and Walrein look similar. Looks more like a guy in a sea lion suit.

>>29028322
Popmaid is SHIT, and Ballio is just sort of OK. That's all wanted really, something that at least didn't look like ass.

>>29026991
Dude i'm in a tie between venusaur (maybe because mega) and torterra too. Glad someone likes him too. I like how with his moveset can literally cover all his weaknesses also by learning Stone Edge via TM.

>>29028441
I understand, especially how you don't get that satisfaction when you look in the mirror.

>>29028433
The back hair and nose, mostly
I disliked the "bipedal" design of Ballio, because it made no sense

>>29026399
I feel like it tries too hard to appeal to girls.

Hahahahaha jk. This is clearly aimed at the younger girls who'll be buying the game. They will love poppamaid to pieces.

That being said, I don't hate poppimaid but I never have and never will like it's design. It's colours make me feel ill to be quite honest, especially that hair.

Robin hoot is the best imo.

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>>29028474
SHUT UP.

>>29026209
I think the main difference is the narrow shoulders, which isn't really characteristic of sea lions.
I don't give a shit though

>>29028474
Blown the FUCK out

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>>29028545
You started it.

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I like it because it reminds me of song of the sea, which is a good movie

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>>29025951
No matter how hard you delude yourself, it still looks like an ugly tranny. It's actually kind of ironic. Pic related.

>>29028672
>ugly tranny

ebin

>>29028303
I giggled

>>29028672
That girl's actually passable besides the horrible hair.

>>29028680
>best starter

ebin

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>>29028672
>people who have a different view than me are delusional

>>29028692
He looks like a jewish guy I know.

>>29028693

(You)

>>29028493
But the entire popplio line is capable of being bipedal

>>29028693
Considering the fact is the only one that doesn't have a shit typing or high expectatives of being a shitmon, yes.

>>29028672

If that chub boy/smol girl transformation is true in any way, then dayyyymn. Most likely fake though, but still. Similar eyebrows though.

The one afterwards is just meh. I mean, it looks like a pretty okay transition because it's generally something that can take some time and isn't bloody magic, but appearance wise, she's I'm just rolling with it since they prefer being called like their intended gender pretty common.

>>29028757
>Popplio line stands on their fins
>Bipedal literally means two legs

>>29025978
HA HA HA NEVER HEARD OF THAT JOKE BEFORE HA HA HA

Not when Emboar is around, idiot.

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>>29028714
People who have a delusional view are delusional.

This thing is ugly. It's just a giant condom covered in clutter, mismatched shapes and unflattering colors.
The teardrop head is awful and its anatomy is overly simplistic. It tries to cover up with girly features, but that just highlights its ugliness in contrast. Like a tranvestite. It tries too hard to be feminine and just ends up ugly. Like a transvestite.
Just slapping humanoid feminine features on an animal is lazy, and uncanny. In fact everyone hated Jynx for its stupid wig and dress, yet they praise it on this thing. It doesn't add up.
Even the most feminine starters could feasibly be male, like Delphox. Foxes are feminine looking creatures after all, but you can envision a male fox. A male Poppmaid just straight up looks like a tranny though. The parallels just keep going. Popplio isn't even a feminine first stage like Chikorita or Fennekin, so a bunch of boys who choose it will be blindsided by this estrogen monstrosity. It's a damn shame. Also, girls don't like things just because they're feminine. They have to be visually appealing too. They wouldn't like an ugly Barbie, which is exactly what this thing is.
And of course, back to the tranny parallel, defense of this thing is akin to SJW shit, trying to brainwash you into acceptance when your own natural instincts tell you that it's repulsive. No amount of shilling will intrinsically change that.

You're not fooling anyone but yourself, Poppcucks.

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>>29029049
>yfw it's real nonetheless

>>29029085
A real big mistake.

>>29029109
Finally I can relate to my starter

>>29029049
Is this a new pasta?

>>29029140
kek

>>29029049
I find it appealing.

This will make a pretty decent pasta though.

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>>29025951
I don't care for it and probably never will desu

>>29029049
>someone can actually be this upset over a starter looking feminine and also not liking how it looks
cool

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>>29029049
>having this much autism

>>29029049

calm the fuck down, anon

I hate the bloody thing too, but this is just stressing yourself too much at this point and just because you go "I hate it because [insert gigantic argument here]", doesn't make the Poppmaid fans like it any less

I'd be more okay with it if I just simply had some splits though, I'd probably even think of it as not existing, it's more the thought of a species with sexual dimorphism having a starter this clearly feminine with no other option to it that makes my head scratch more than anything else

>>29029420
>hurr durr u mad

Whether I'm upset or not doesn't change the fact that I'm right

>>29029586
Well, you've got tigerman if you want something that looks like a guy all the time. There's a reason we can pick more than one Pokemon. Not every one of them is going to appeal to you. I agree its a pretty strange turn making a starter lean heavily toward one gender in appearance but it also isn't a thing that matters to me at all since I still find it appealing.

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>>29029619
Dude it's just a feminine looking sea lion. Calm the fuck down, you'll live.

>>29029619
>I'm right

The majority of that autistic rant was just you trying to pass off your opinion as fact, dude.

>>29029619
You are right. In that you believe that. The argument doesn't actually require a rebuttal because a vast majority of your points are purely subjective and can't be argued against because that is what you believe to be bad. However, I believe that many of the design elements, sense of progression and apparent inspiration of the whole line makes it good and appealing. Arguing this way only ever leads to posts that go in circles so there is literally no point to them other than to show that such opinions about these things exist. It doesn't "prove" anything other than people are passionate enough to type out a bunch of nonsense that at the end of the day, doesn't matter at all. And yes I mean me as well.

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>>29029049
>It's just a giant condom covered in clutter, mismatched shapes and unflattering colors.

>>29029619
Incorrect, also you've some kind of Intractable autism to be this mad.

>>29029049
This is the kind of shit argument that makes ugly ass designs like Popplio2 or 3 acceptable to the people. There is not tranny parallel, Brionne is girly on purpose to attract little girls into buying pokemon.

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>>29029049
>tl;dr: I think it's ugly and I'll project my views to make it seem like everyone agrees with me! Delusional Poppcucks!

Not sure what you're tying to accomplish here.

>>29029772
I know what its intention is. I'm saying that's not the result.

Lucario's intention was to be cool but it just ended up looking stupid. Not unlike this thing.

>>29026813
>Samurott
>The worst
>While Meganium and Emboar exist

>>29029916
There is nothing wrong with Meganium.

Emboar is just barely worse.

>>29026399
I'm a girl. Not a tomboy, a real girl. And I love that majestic fucker.
Stop trying to be special, we all got opinions.

>>29029049
wew lad
I'll enjoy my new favorite Pokemon, and I'll love it more when I know some autistic fuck out there that can't accept the fact that feminine things exist got cucked out of their masculine sea lion. Stay mad retard

>>29027424
A tumblrina would want it to be 100% male, dumbass.

You know, I didn't realize that /vp/ was so full of trapfags and people who embrace the mentally ill trans mentality.

Guess it's tumblr seeping through.

>>29029978
I don't really care that it's feminine, I care more that it's ugly. I love Milotic for example.

The overly feminine part is just an objective flaw for a starter, which should be more gender neutral, especially if it starts that way.

>>29029916
Emboar is def worse, but leave Meganium alone.

>>29029706
wtf i hate gusty now

>>29029978
>>29030035
Can't we just be happy with what we're given? People lived with Chestnaught, why can't we live this one?

>>29030035
i dont really see samurott or chesnaught or emboar (or new litten3) being gender neutral but eh whatever

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>>29030035
>The overly feminine part is just an objective flaw for a starter
>objective

>>29030076
>can't you just be happy with shit?

Chesnaught was pretty bad but this thing is definitely worse.

I still hold that Emboar is the worst overall, but Poppmaid is down there.

>>29030118
Yeah, well in my opinion Typhlosion, Meganium and Venusaur are the worst starters

>>29030035
Why is it an objective flaw? Why should they be gender neutral?

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>>29030118
Why don't you select another starter then?

>>29030148
I swear to Christ if Venusaur were a newer starter people would despise it. It is ugly as fuck. It seriously think it only gets a pass because it was gen 1. It's fat, has a dumb blank looking face, and warts and shit. And it only got uglier in motion in stadium.

>>29030118
>Poppmaid worse than Chesnaught
Damn, that's some real shit taste right there.

>>29028672
I'd fuck it

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>>29030180
Who says I'm not? Just rightfully shitting on Poppmaid.

>>29030162
Because they should be suitable for any player, since every player gets one. It's particularly important for them to have as much universal appeal as possible.

>>29030148
>Venusaur

Pic related, your opinion

>>29030199
damn i love venusaur its too ugly not to love, in my top 5 pokemon love the design, get that hes one big ug toad

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>>29030253
>Rightfully shutting on Poppmaid

>>29030253
Your opinion is trash for disliking Poppmaid. Do not reply to my posts ever again, you tasteless genwunner

>>29030199
You are retarded. Venusaur is the good kind of ugly. It's a big beastly monster.

Poppmaid is the repugnant kind of ugly, in that it tries to be pretty but just looks like a fucking clown, literally and figuratively.

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>>29030253
>Just rightfully shitting on Poppmaid.
>rightfully
>he thinks he's some kind of hero for having an opinion on a Pokemon design

>>29030286
Figures it's Poppmaid fags with the irredeemably shit taste.

>genwunner
I love lots of designs in gen 7. Poppmaid is easily the worst. A stain on an otherwise good gen.

>>29030253
You can't and shouldn't always aim for universal appeal. Why should starters have to do that? It's literally impossible to always create a design everyone will love. It's not like people ever pick then randomly anyway. If Popplio becomes a bunch of little girls' favorite Pokemon, that's greateven if it means some boy gets a disappointed here it evolves into something girly, because there are 800+ Pokemon that kid if it really bothers him can use instead. It's better to have designs that some people will love even if it means some people will hate it. Pokemon has enough Pokemon that there can be some meant for specific people, and starters have no reason to be forced to try and appeal to everyone which has never been the case anyway. Ay best people liked or loved one and thr others are fine. You shouldn't be aiming for fine. You want people to have strong feelings for your designs, even if some people hate it, because if they care enough to hate it means they are the ones you don't need to get in because they already in.

>>29030287
In my opinion, Venusaur is the repugnant kind of ugly, and Poppmaid is beautiful.
What makes you think your opinions are better than others? Autism?

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>>29030314
>le liking it means you have poor taste meme

>>29030253
>Because they should be suitable for any player, since every player gets one. It's particularly important for them to have as much universal appeal as possible.
>trying to apply a one size fits all mentality to Pokemon designs so that we never get anything that takes risks or surprises us

I'm glad you don't work for Game Freak.

>>29030287
>Has a stupid fuck blank stare mouth open face
>I-IT WAS MEANT TO BE UGLY SO ITS OKAY
Just because it was meant to be a certain way doesn't make it good

>>29030314
>defending the ugly fat toad with pimples
>thinks his opinion is valid and has good taste
wew
everyone I know who choose Bulbasaur restarted their game and selected Squirtle or Charmander instead once they saw that piece of shit

I like the Popplio line, but I can see why other people wouldn't like it.

I don't know why the fuck would have such a vocal hissy fit about the design of a Japanese cartoon monster for a video game.

>>29030118
The first two gens of starters are the ones I care about the least. I don't really hate them, but I don't feel too crazy about them either.

>>29030349
I said starter you fucking asshat, not Pokemon.

>>29030320
Because starters are Pokemon that virtually everyone uses, and you don't want to blindside them with a fucking travesty like Poppmaid when they're halfway through the game, forcing them to begrudgingly tolerate or abandon it.

>>29030325
You're free to think that shit tastes better than chocolate, it's your opinion. But that doesn't mean your opinion is worthwhile.

>>29030314
Honestly I find it a very strange phenomenon that a lot of people will claim to like most or all gen 7 designs so far, but it just so happens that the final forms of the starters leaked anonymously and out of the blue are the ones they hate the most. I mean, if most other designs are home runs, why does it just so happen this group is one that people hate? Because they nitpicked it to death to prove it was fake and now don't want to go back on it? I just find it hard to believe this bunch thst leaked suspiciously that we had Jo reason to previously believe are the ones that are the abominations.

>>29030378
This. I loved Charizard and Feraligatr as a kid, but now I always forget about them, except Charizard because it gets pushed hard, of course. Meganium is the only one I never used

>>29030405
Neither is yours. Starters are not universally appealing, you're on /vp/, you should already know this

>>29030405
Yeah, starters are Pokemon virtually everyone uses. Like I said, they don't pick them randomly. They pick the one they want. If it doesn't become what thy want that can just ditch it or put up with it because thy aren't going to feel betrayed by a fucking video game because one virtual pet didn't evolve exactly how they wanted it to. It is LITERALLY impossible to make designs that every person will love. And you don't want people to just be okay with it. There are so many Pokemon that they can afford to pander to specific people, make a design they'll LOVE. That the can call THEIR Pokemon.

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>>29030368
Remember Anon, shitposting on /vp/ is all they have in their lives

>>29030405
>You're free to think that shit tastes better than chocolate, it's your opinion. But that doesn't mean your opinion is worthwhile.
right back at ya, friend

>>29030361
It's a fucking animal you stupid fuck. You don't need to force a humanoid expression and personality on it. "Personality" is just an excuse for bad design.

>>29030367
>ugly fat toad with pimples
>it must have anthropomorphic beauty to be appealing

Found the furfag.

>>29030253
>since every player gets one
No. Every player has the option to use one of three different ones. They also have the option of using several different Pokemon because that is what the game is about. And I personally find the more radical and thematic pokemon to the more base and in my opinion, bland starters of the first two generations. I find the move toward more potentially controversial design styles more appealing to me in general, even if I won't like all of them, there is a good chance that one will stand out above the others to be my choice.

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Can be female

>>29030475
>still defending that piece of shit
>ad hominem
I'm so sorry your friends forced you to use that thing, anon. It's ok, you can admit it sucks and that you used the supperior Blastoise and Charizard

>>29030475
Wew, you're so defensive and mad that someone doesnt like Venusaur you made up some point to argue against. I don't even know where you got that from.

This is the most clinically autistic thing I've ever seen on this board.

Fuck all yall.

>>29030405
>shit analogies
golden

>>29030553
Your reasoning for disliking it is fucking laughable. It only reinforces its quality when only idiots like you attack it with such asinine reasoning.

>>29030548
It's only logical for me to assume you're a homo when you dislike something for being monstrous.

>>29030405
>starters aren't Pokemon

>>29030405
You could literally replace Poppmaid with any other star in that sentence and it would still apply. Nothing that you say is exclusive to Poppmaid because it is based on an opinion of how you think something should look. Everyone knows that people aren't going to like it. But you should also be able to accept that people are going to like it. Neither opinion is more correct and that is the concept that you just don't seem to get.

>>29030635
I could say this exact, EXACT thing to you about whatever you said about popplio3. Verbatim. And you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong either. You can cry shit taste all you want. I'll just throw back at you because I have as much justification backing me as you do.

Imagine how flat on its face Pokemon would have fell if this Phurseal replaced Blastoise for the original starters? Why can they get away with this furshit these days? Are we gonna get starters that are monsters ever again and not just sexualized deviant art animals?

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>>29028474

>>29030635
Why is it okay for it to be an ugly wart monster with a flower randomly growing out of its back? I like Venusaur too, but when you keep trying to pretend taste is objective you make yourself look like a fool.

>>29026399
*pinocchio voice* I'm not a tomboy, I'm a REEEEAAAAALLLLL girl!

>>29030693
Charizard has more porn than almost any other starter. What a stupid argument.

>>29030693
I would say about 90% of the playerbase of Pokemon is probably not thinking of this seal in any sexual way. And remember Pokemon has fans around the entire world. I'm pretty sure the amount of people who draw porn and jack off to Pokemon in general, much less popplio3, are a very small minority. It's just a mermaid that's also part seal because that's what it evolved from. Can games never thave mermaids because thy might be sexualized?

>>29030635
>still defending that piece of shit
>ad hominem
I can do this all night long, baby

>>29030743
You don't understand anon, if it has human elements its made purely to appeal to furfags. It's not like they want to combine certain human elements because they think it could be thematically interesting or anything. It's all about the furries.

>>29030742
Why are you fags so obsessed with which Pokemon has more porn? Are you saying Charizard is more furry the Delphox? There's a fuckload of porn of it because degenerates exist and it's a popular mon. Literally unrelated to what I was talking about.

>>29030693
I bet you're one of these fags that bitched about gen V's starters too. Emboar is exactly the cool monstruous creature I love.
I'm sure we'll get more monstruous starters in the future, and people will bitch about them too

>>29030801
I mean, imo Litten3 is pretty "monstrous". Besides being big and mean looking, a cat headed man is a pretty classical kind of monster.

>>29030791
But that's exactly what you're talking about. Furbait is made to attract furries, and Charizard has more furry porn than most other starters combined. It's literally furbait

>>29030791
Because what are you even using to quantify "appealing to furries." Furries liking a Pokemon or a Pokemon having human elements doesn't mean shit, and its stupid to even bring furries up in arguments and cry about how a Pokemon is sexualized. If that isn't what you are talking about then what the hell is your point? Are you saying you want starters that are less inspired by more human elements and themes? Because if so say that instead, because that is a reasonable position that doesn't try to scapegoat your issue to something unrelated. And if that is your position then that is unfortunate, but I prefer the cross with more human themes as they result in more interesting creatures in my opinion. The first set of starters, sans Venasuar, are all rather generic in my eyes.

>>29030742
Every Pokemon has porn of it, and Charizard has been around for 20 years. That's not an argument.

Poppmaid looks more like furshit in its official depictions.

>>29030724
Because there are different kinds of ugliness, and Venusaur's ugliness fits with its overall monstrousness. Poppmaid's ugliness runs counter to its theme of beauty. A visually conflicting design is a bad one.

Despite Venusaur being deliberately ugly, it follows aesthetic principles better than Poppmaid.
Its colors transition smoothly from blue-green to green, to brown, to pink, rather than jarring blue to white to pink everywhere.
It has more complex anatomy and depth, with a very detailed and three-dimesional head, body and plant, while Poppmaid is just a flat, simple teardrop head on an ovoid body, with a bunch of simple circles and spikes on it.
It balances complex shapes with simple distinct colors, while Poppmaid's various shapes and conflicting colors, all overlapping each other, create a visual mess.

So Venusaur as an ugly monster is more aesthetic than the "beautiful" Poppmaid.

You mean the worst.

>>29030968
>Its colors transition smoothly from blue-green to green, to brown, to pink, rather than jarring blue to white to pink everywhere.
Stopped here. There is literally no difference in how the colors "transition" between each other. Get out of here

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Everyone ITT needs a chill-pill.

>>29030781

Is this sarcasm? I hope so.

>>29030968
ugliness is subjective. please stop, Poppmaid is ugly to you, beautiful to others, and most people don't care. why do you insist on trying to force your shitty opinions down everyone's throat?
Just accept the fact that people love Poppmaid and hate Venusaur. That's the point of Pokemon, to have something for everyone

>>29030693

Here's a better question: will faggots like ever stop blowing things out of proportion?

>>29031004
Yes there is you ignorant fuck. Venusaur transitions from cool to warm colors, with brown as the center. Poppmaid abruptly goes from blue to pink, with solid white creating a big void everywhere.

>>29031065
Aesthetics are less subjective than you think. The fact that you're so opposed to basic aesthetics means you have brain problems. Or you're just forcing yourself to like it. That's Poppmaid fags in a nutshell.

>>29026399
>I'm a girl
K A L O S
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S

>>29030968
>Its colors transition smoothly from blue-green to green, to brown, to pink, rather than jarring blue to white to pink everywhere.
Popplio3 doesn't have Pink everywhere, in fact, Venusaur has more pink on it. And all of Popplio3 colors are part of Popplio's color scheme >>29026209
Did you even read your arguments before posting them?

>>29031065
He's right though. Something can be objectively ugly.
And since when do people hate Venusaur? I've seen more people talk shit about Popplio3 than on Venusaur.

>>29031093
Oh, so you're a retard that thinks their opinions are facts and everyone else is wrong. You have actual, non-meme autism.

>>29031137
Yes, like Venusaur.
And people hate everything, Popplio's evos are just the fad of the week

>>29031106
Venusaur's pink and other colors aren't spread out haphazardly. It has a pink flower and pink inner flesh, with red eyes to complement it all. Poppmaid on the other hand has pink spikes that have no logical reason to exist, other than to give it pink somewhere on its body. It's tacky.

I know they're part of Popplio's scheme, but Popplio has better distribution of those colors.

>>29031196
>has pink spikes that have no logical reason to exist
most pokemon have these useless details
>but Popplio has better distribution of those colors.
again, this is subjective. can you accept now that you're not objectively right?

>>29031196
>has pink spikes that have no logical reason to exist, other than to give it pink somewhere on its body. It's tacky.

It's going to be so funny when if it turns out they do have a purpose after we actual information on it.

>>29031196
Poppmaod's colors aren't spread out haphazardly. It has pink stars, and pinks fins to compliment it.

See how meaningless your statement was? It applies equally as well. It loses no meaning if I use the way you described Venusaur's random warm colors to describe poppmaid's. Because it means nothing. You are just saying shit.

>>29031269
If it's the same kind of shit like shells on Samurott's legs being a sword, it won't change much

>>29030968
I'm glad you chose to ignore the post directly above you, considering it addresses your other points. "furshit" Isn't an argument. It's something you assigning to the Pokemon based on your own perception. Your description of Venasaur being good is purely an opinion based on what you find visually and thematically appealing. It doesn't matter how much "complex anatomy and depth" it has if those thing don't appeal to you. Poppmaid does have more simple shapes than Venasaur and that to me allows it to have more complex inspiration and other additional elements that flow together nicely. Having a realistic seal head on Poppmaids body would not flow as well to me and works in a way that is believable for the style it uses. Features are exaggerated to make its theme more obvious and the silhouette unique. The contrasting dark blue that transitions into a lighter blue with the frills works well and the tapering off at the end of the tail makes it look like a dress, which is another design decision that I think helps the theme and looks appealing. The hair invokes the feeling of waves and is cleverly tied off with bubbles that are present in all of the Popplio lines themes. The pink is also light enough and distributed enough throughout the form to add a pleasant visual contrast to the general cooler colors in the design. Of course, liking all of these things together is entirely subjective. Just because these elements are there doesn't mean you have to like or dislike them. The same with Venasuar as well. Visual appeal and art theory are useful tools but they aren't rules that can perfectly describe what everyone will feel when they see something.

>>29031239
The details don't relate to its animal, its type, its theme, its function, nature, practicality or anything. The fact that they couldn't incorporate those colors better into its design makes it a bad design choice, especially when they just make it messier.

I am objectively right, I'm sorry you don't understand anything about colors.

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It's just a seal.

>>29031275
Seals don't have fins like that. And if it's going to have fins, why are they small and useless and only in that area? How do they relate to the creature at all? No, they aren't grounded in anything rational, they are only there for color. That's poor design.

>>29031301
>implying I'm reading all that shit

>>29031395
Oh come now. I read your dumb bullshit. The least you could do is read mine you silly shitposter. I mean, I could have formatted it better, but its late and this thread isn't particularly worth it.

>>29031395
Frogs don't have cat like ears. Why does Venusaur have ears like that? It's pointless.

That's how stupid you sound. These aren't bound to follow real life animals to a T. Also way to move the goalposts. It was bad before because it they were warm colors seperate. then you say Venusaur had aarm colors seperate from each other and used some vague bullshit like they "compliment" each other and i spin it the same way for poppmaid. Now it's bad because seals don't have fins around their waist like that? Really?

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>>29031395
>>29031416
Really makes you think why you're investing time trying to change and explain something that won't change. Whether you like it or not, don't be discontent as a product of some board online.

>>29025951
No.

>>29025951
Worst starter

>>29031323
>>29031395
What a load of shit, have a last (You)
The colors of Poppmaid are used in a way that makes you think of mermaids, that was the objective of these design decisions. And they succeded
Frogs don't have giant flowers on their backs, they're Pokemon, not animals
And please, be polite and read the other post you ignored, or fuck off
Bye faggots, I hope you enjoy the games, I know I will

>>29031395
It doesn't have to because it isn't purely a seal. The thing about cartoon animal creatures is that they do not need to have things that exist for a functional purpose. It could exist for visual appeal, color, or any other number of reasons. It doesn't actually matter because it isn't a thing that exists in real life. If the design appeals to you then its good. If it doesn't its bad. For visual things like this it doesn't actually need to have a functional purpose to be appealing to someone, which is the main point of its existence. You could argue it doesn't actually work with in its universe, or that it doesn't make sense but those things don't matter when someone else could argue against it based on exactly as little evidence as you have. As a fictional creature meant to be used by players, all it has to do is get someone to use it. And it will.

>>29031560
Someone cut out the article title out so I can just have the picture. It's hilarious without context.

>>29031508
Nigga, don't write a book and be surprised people glaze over it. Nobody wants to read a wall of text.

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>>29031560

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>>29031594
>It's hilarious without context.

>>29031465
First of all, Venusaur is a synapsid, not a frog, you ignorant faggot. Not surprised you don't see the faults in Poppmaid when you don't know shit.

Second, ears have a practical purpose and a basis in nature. Poppmaid's fin things don't.
Venusaur's elements are separete from each other, and the colors aren't scattered, they're situated in organic-looking spots such as where you would see inner flesh. I'm not complaining that the inside of Poppmaid's mouth is pink. Poppmaid just has arbitrary parts added only for the sake of having a color in that spot, and serving absolutely no other purpose or relation to the creature.

Furthermore it doesn't end at the pink, the large expanses of solid blue and white with no rough detail are jarring and make its entire body look flat.

>>29031625
Mr.madatfemininesealions wrote almost the exact same amount of text previously expecting people to read it. I guess his words are just more important.

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>>29031643
Fug here's a better one.

>>29027137
PLEASE BE IN TEXAS

>>29031674
Wonderful

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>>29031712
I don't get it, how can it be better like that?

>>29031664
The last part is mostly due to inept 2d artists, and will definitely look better when on the model.

Also, the spines on the tail has me thinking I've seen that exact design element before, but I can't for the life of me remember where. But I agree they probably could've found a way to incorporate pink on the tail in a better way.

>>29030405
>If someone doesn't like a Pokemon, thats unforgivable!

>>29031666
4 lines of texts feels like less of a chore to read than 7 lines of text.

But I didn't read either so...

>>29031745
I think the spikes are there so that the little dress thing slightly resembles a shell.

>>29031664
Why would any of that matter for a Pokemon designed for a 3D model? Also why does a long expanse of a color even matter? A lot of animals, including seals, are long expanses of a single color. Poppmaid isn't an art piece. It's a Pokemon. The only vaguely arbitrary part are the pink fins, which are likely purely aesthetic. It doesn't appeal to you and it doesn't need to. But those things can appeal to people. Also using certain words like "scattered" doesn't make the point objective when you can replace it with "strategically distributed." It only makes it more obvious your argument is based on your own personal visual biases. Which would be fine if you didn't have some obsessive need to prove to everyone that it's not good.

>>29031765 I don't think >>29030968 is four lines of text.

>>29031561
No it doesn't have to be based in anything other than aesthetics, but that makes it worse than a design that is. That's why Venusaur and numerous other Pokemon are better than Poppmaid.

>>29031508
Milotic makes me think of Mermaids without having clutter all over it.
The giant flower has a purpose and directly relates to the creature in question. The fins do not. And again it's not a frog.

>>29031301
Poppmaid doesn't need to have an exact seal head, but the head needs to be more detailed than just a fucking tear drop. They could maintain the same silhouette while making a head constructed of more than one shape, to make it look like an actual creature instead of a plastic toy.
Every Pokemon has exaggerated features. Features can be exaggerated without being overly simplistic.
The hair doesn't complement the other blues. If its body was some kind of transitional color between the dress and the hair it wouldn't be as abrupt, but again, the white just creates a big void that divides everything instead of bringing it together.

>>29031860
I disagree.


Thanks for reading though.

>>29031852
Your right, it's less that 4 lines of solid text.

See we have these things called paragraphs, and a return key which breaks up sentences.

>>29031893
Alright you cheeky cunt, I'll give you that. I did say it was late though.

>>29031664
It's not a seal. It's not just a seal. The colors make no sense on a seal.
Do you seriously not see why these colors were used in such a way? Hint: the secondary theme

And almost every Pokemon has these little visual things that serve no purpose.
What's the point of Magmar's frilly arms? Wartortle's tail? Vanillish's straw?

And please, stop. I'm starting to feel sorry for you. You're not objectively right, your opinions are as shitty as anyone else's. You won't convince anyone with subjective arguments, the same way no one can convince you that Venusaur's hideous. Your arguments make sense in your head, but they may sound like bullshit to another person.
Look up the definition of autism, and seek help immediately

>>29031818
Seals have texture and shades that break up a single color. Same with every real life animal.

That said, a single color would be better than Poppmaid's conflicting colors. The expanse matters at that point because it fails to bring its parts together.

Scattered means that the colors are both separate and not distributed well. Again, Venusaur's colors are distributed in a logical way, with pink being in parts that you would expect to see it, and parts that make sense on the creature. Poppmaid's pink is just there for its own sake and clashes with the rest.

>>29031967
Let me get this straight, your argument on why he's wrong and the spines on the tail are perfectly good design choice.

Are that other pokemon have odd design choices?

This is seriously what you consider your winning hand here?

You know what? The secondary theme doesn't really mesh with spikes either, if anything something like pink hearts would make more sense AND have the contrasting pink color down there.

>>29031967
Magmar's arms are scaley. It's a reptilian creature. And the scales are a complex shape rather than just a color.
A tail is practical, and Wartortle's tail evokes waves and its water type. It's also directly tied to its theme if you read its pokedex.
Vanillish's entire motif is ice cream, and the straw is an ice cannon.

None of these things are as utterly tacky as Poppmaid's details.

Its theme doesn't require this specific choice and distribution of colors.

>>29032000
Distributed well is "subjective." Looking better is "subjective." Failing to bring its parts together is "subjective." I know you're likely starting to hate that word and how much I use it, but it doesn't change the fact that from my perspective, those things just do not apply. It's why people like different things and why they think different things look good or bad. White, blue, pink, and light blue are not conflicting colors. Pink transition to white and contrasts with blue, which transitions to light blue. These things looking good or appealing is purely up to whoever is viewing it.

>>29032000
Poppmaid's colors are distributed in such a way that makes you think of Mermaids. Mermaids have different colors for the upper and lower body. They make sense.
"Organic" is a thing that Venusaur has going for it, not every Pokemon will follow that pattern, because they have different inspirations.
You can't make a mermaid without hair or two distinct body parts

>>29032071
I'm telling you why it's a bad design from an aesthetic sense. You're free to disagree but that just means you have poor aesthetic sense.

>>29032093
Aesthetics are not objective. They are guidelines for general appeal.

>>29032093
i think poppmaid is way aesthetic enough.

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>>29032093
>I'm telling you why it's a bad design from an aesthetic sense.
So you admit it's all just your opinion?

>>29032045
Yes, it needed color contrast, and the pink star earring things help. The fins could have a function you know nothing about, because we kbow nothing about it.

>>29032063
Magmar's arms aren't reptilian. Look up Mambo dancers.
Wartortle's tail looking wavey serves no purpose. If it did, Blastoise would have it too.
Vanillish's straw is unnecesary and makes it look more artificial, instead of the stalactite with snow it's supposed to be
See, they're extra details meant to add something special to the designs. They aren't based on real life features of these animals, they're just there. Do I have to remind you this is Pokemon and not NatGeo's Zoology Guide?

>>29032093
If you were ever wondering how to sound like a pretentious fuck about Ookemon designs, this is how.

>>29032063
The only "tacky" thing you point out about poppmaid is the spikes, and we don't even know everything about the design. The fact that we can glean so many themes and inspiration from Poppmaid without knowing much of anything about it makes it a strong design in my eyes.

>>29032093
I think Poppmaid's more aesthetically pleasing than Venusaur, by a long margin, and that you have no aesthetic sense. But I know I'm not objectively right, the same way I know you aren't right either, because it's SUBJECTIVE

You'll learn about it in school. Goodnight

>>29032045
Pink hearts would be way "tackier" than pink fins.

>>29025951
Yes, best starter. Second place goes to Empoleon
Water stays winning, except Samurott, let's forget it exists

>>29032173
>it can't serve a purpose cause it's evolution doesn't utilize that purpose

I guess monkey tails don't have a purpose.

Also, I know enough about fins to know that having several random spikes at the middle really doesn't help anything.

>>29032210
No you actually have no aesthetic sense if you think popmaid looks better than venusaur. I love how you've acted holy than thou this whole time while completely talking out your ass the whole time as well.

>>29032078
Milotic uses fins to represent hair, and a complex pattern on its tail to better distinguish its halves, avoid having two large voids of solid color, and using red to bring them together, without either part being cluttered by knicknacks, so the whole design is smoother, and thus more feminine.

As you can see, there are much more elegant and subtle ways to depict a mermaid.

>>29032173
>They aren't based on real life features of these animals

This isn't the only criteria I listed, faggot.
The mambo dancer is another inspiration. The tail itself is practical, and incorporating a water motif to the tail is more elegant than just putting colored triangles on a thing. The straw has a purpose and an inspiration, again, unlike colored triangles. You can fight this all you want but those details have much more thought put into them than Poppmaid's clutter.

>>29032093
It's not a bad design, you just don't like it

>>29026003
This is reserved for mega Milotic

>>29025951
>they could have replaced those spikes with a belt of pink pearls

>>29032269
You're still going on about this like you're absolutely right, I was joking but I'm starting to think there's something seriously wrong with you if you actually think liking a ugly thing is the right way to go, and that it's objectively better than other things that you find ugly. No, I'm done with this and I hope everyone else that was responding to you stops too. This is like arguing with a genwunner, and I'm starting to suspect that's what's happening now.
Look up the definition of all these words, especially "aesthetic"

>>29032418
You know I'm not the other guy right?

>>29032296
I don't really get "mermaid" from Milotic's design. "Pretty sea creature" sure. But it seems much more like some weird monster thing. And it's bizarre black and blue stain glass like pattern, seem like more of a clutter than anything on Popmaid's simple form. Having two distinctive halves of color seem more appealing than that to me. Plus, it's dark blue tapers off into light blue dress like elements that feel very organic and help transition to white. Anyway, this feels slightly pointless. I know I'm doing this because I don't have anything better to do and generally like mermaid/singer fuck, even if I don't know everything about it. I guess you just want people to see it your way too, but I feel like you know that you wont actually get anywhere with this style of arguing. We are clearly wasting our time, talking about things that don't really matter.

>>29032472
I'm pretty sure that I responded to the right post, because this makes no sense
>No you actually have no aesthetic sense if you think popmaid looks better than venusaur.
This is the definition of subjective. This is no more right or wrong than saying
>No you actually have no aesthetic sense if you think venusaur looks better than popmaid.

>>29025951

>I'm actually warming up to the seal

Is it Stockholm Syndrome

>>29032587
You just hate new things, so when its not new you can start to enjoy it. Gen4 or 5 are probably your favorite

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>>29032556
No I was agreeing with the other guy, you have no aesthetic sense. Like none.

I like to think after 5 years getting a degree saying I know what aesthetic is, that I know what aesthetic is, and know when it's poorly done and when it's well done.

In the art world, there are just objectively poor design decisions.

>>29032556
Don't bother. I think its about time we left this thread to die.

Can't wait till the point where we have constant threads where we scrutinize every Pokemon's design with several essays worth of paragraphs.

>>29032637
Nigga, someone made 7 solid lines defending it's design, don't think this is a one way street of autism.

>>29032625
Actually, art and design are completely separate fields and you have to qualify the use in order for the design to be poor. Pokemon only need to appeal to someone to fit their use. Don't wave your shitty degree in here and think its worth anything.

>>29032624
>Gen4 or 5 are probably your favorite

yes...

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>tfw you like venusaur and poppmaid

>>29032670
You're right. This whole thing is idiotic. We are way too into this hobby if we feel the need to exhaust so much energy and words into how other people feel about it. We begin talking in circles constantly and never stop even when we realize it. It's like some kind of drug.

>>29032716
Well that means you have half shit taste. Guess which one

>>29032625
Okay big guy, I'm sure you're the local authority on art and take your word for it. No idea why you're comparing that clusterfuck with the Popplio's simple design, but you must have your (totally non biased) reasons. Thanks for entertaining me, though. I got to practice my english a little more, and I'm feeling a little more confident now. Have one last upvote. :^)

>this thread is dying
finally

See you tomorrow. Also don't start threads in this way OP.

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>>29032676
>tells him to go look up what aesthetic is
>he has a degree
>d-don't wave your degree in here ;-;

>>29032727

Ebin.

>>29032739
t. assblasted tumblrette

>>29032741
One'd think people having a discussion on a pokemon raped your family.

>>29032746
Aesthetic
>Concerned with beauty or the appreciation of beauty
>*Giving or designed to give pleasure through beauty
Venusaur was designed to be ugly, and no one finds it beautiful, therefore it's not aesthetic

>>29032746
Not the same dude my man. Design can be qualified, aesthetic is based on personal preference and case by case bases.

>>29032760
Oh good we've gotten to this point. I'm not even going to assume you're the same guy but at least people like you coming in here means we can be done with this.

>>29032819
You keep responding man, you could've left hours ago if you actually had the will power to. But you stayed to defend the pink spikes on the torso on a childrens monster design.

>>29032797
Venusaur is ugly in an unattractive sense, not in an aesthetic sense. You don't have to be attracted to something to find it beautiful.

>>29032853
So beauty is subjective? Glad we agree. Thanks for playing, see you tomorrow

>>29032846
I have absolutely no willpower. Arguing on /vp/ is like crack to me. Pokemon is a passion, and I can see it is to the guy I was arguing with as well. Though I have been doing other things in the downtime between posts. Hope you've been doing the same. Take it easy dude.

>>29032894
Beauty is broad but it isn't completely subjective. There are principles of beauty/aesthetics that something can follow without being attractive.

Goddamn this isn't hard to understand.

>>29033509
Go to bed already.

>>29032797
>Venusaur was designed to be ugly

Venusaur was designed to be monstrous, not ugly. "Ugly" in this context doesn't refer to aesthetics.

>>29033570
Stop convincing yourself that this fucking atrocity of a starter is good already.

If you honestly think it's better than Venusaur then you are a legitimate retard. No two ways about it.

Poppmaid is fine, but people shitting on Venusaur are huge fags.

>>29033579
Man you really like Venusaur, eh?

>>29033591
He's not even in my top 5 starters, but he's infinitely better than this vile piece of shit.

Poppcucks are only further exposing their shit taste by attacking Venusaur.

>>29033624
I never attacked Venusaur homeslice. Anyway, you're starting to resort to memes now. We've been doing this for too long dude. Me you and whoever else is still here for some reason. You're not really going to convince anyone and neither am I, so I feel it would be best to focus on things we do like instead. Perhaps next time. If we keep on doing stuff like this every thread is going to get really annoying for every Pokemon.

>>29033664
Damage control.

>The venusaurfag was so triggered and mad that he literally couldn't stop shitposting for 5 hours straight.
Holy shit, is this the purest form of autism?
It's worse than the guy that wrote a whole essay of why he hated greninja.
You know take the shitposting thing back, this is just outright autism.