An offensive Eviolite?

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>>28993856
>Scyther with offensive eviolite

Scyther @Iveolite

>trapinch banned from LC

Mixed sweepers suck so half the stats are wasted, mixed defense is good however. It doesn't exist b/c almost no Pokemon would use it. At best it would mess with lower tiers via Pokemon like Kadabra or Archen.

Why the fuck would you double offenses and speed when Eviolite only boosts defenses by 1.5x?

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>>28993874
>sneaky pebbles

>>28993856
Wouldn't an offensive eviolite just increase atk and sp atk by half?

>>28993919
Like three or four total Pokemon use Eviolite and that still exists.

>>28993856

Kadabra would hit pretty hard.

>>28993932
It would work like eviolite...but for atk and sp. atk.......

>>28993856
Rhydon would hit pretty hard.

>>28993927
OP here, sorry, i fucked up. Meant 1.5

That would make lightball irrelevant

That would be absurdly powerful, like completely fucking busted.

Put it on some shit like scyther and you have things with around 200 attack.

Little cup would have to ban the item, most likely.

Even if speed wasnt doubled it'd be nuts.

>>28993964
So half.

Also
>...
kys

>>28993981
Good

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>135 Attack Carvanha
>143 Sp. Attack Electabuzz
>143 Attack Sneasal
>150 Sp. Attack Tangela
>150 Sp. Attack Magmar

>>28993987
>>28993984
Yeah, OP here, i fucked up. It was meant to be x1.5 like Eviolite but im an idiot.

>>28993856
>doubling

It would boost it by 50%, not double it.

And if it worked like it should it probably wouldn't be broken

>>28994032
Well thats a lot less absurd, but you're gonna run into some issues, especially regarding things like Sneasel and Scyther having higher attack stats than Weavile and Scizor.

>>28994020
>180 Sp. Attack Magneton
>143 Attack Graveler
>195 Attack Rhydon
>143 Sp. Attack Seadra
>150 Attack Piloswine

>>28994020
Those aren't how stats work actually. You forgot the 1.5x boost to IVs, natures, and EVs.

Like how Azumarill's attack stat with huge power isn't 50>100. A maxed adamant one is closer to 150 base attack.

Monferno.

>>28994115
Damn. I guess that makes it even more ridiculously broken?

>>28993856
>Doubling
that isn't how eviolite works

>>28993856
Magmar would have more than 130 speed and around 150 attack and sp. attack. A fast mixed attacker with moves like overheat, thunderpunch and machpunch.

>>28994053
OP, have already said that i fucked up, was meant to be x1.5

>>28994159
OP, have already said that i fucked up, was meant to be x1.5

>>28993919
>Mixed sweepers suck so half the stats are wasted,

I think that's fine considering this is increasing 3 stats and regular Eviolite only increases 2. This would increase more stats, but the same number of actually useful stats.

I like the idea of helping out some NFE so that they have a chance, but maybe it would be better to buff eviolite? It could boost defenses by 1.75 instead of 1.5.

Although I think offensive eviolite would not be overpowered, considering it takes up an item slot.

>>28994297
>It could boost defenses by 1.75 instead of 1.5.
Why the fuck would you do that? It would just push the few Pokemon broken with eviolite to be even better when they already didn't need help, and the shitty Pokemon who never got used with eviolite are now still never used because why the fuck would you use eviolite wartortle over Porygon2 or Chansey?

>>28994216
a second after I posted

Anyways, I could see Electabuzz being decent. With a Modest Nature it hits 463 speed, giving it essentially base 182 Speed (or base 161 with a +Spe nature). While its not the strongest thing, I see it revenge killing things, which it has plenty of power to do.

Magmar and Scyther are in a similar boat, although I think Electabuzz would be better due to its typing.

>>28994324
>after

shit I meant before

>>28993930
>Defog
>Roost

>>28994259
I wouldn't say having both attack stats it useless. The only reason mixed attackers suck is because they usually don't have enough stats for speed or very weak defenses.

If defenses are equal, then a fast mixed attacker is still better than a fast specialized attacker. They have more viable moves, and are more versatile as they can be set up to go against physical or special walls.

>>28994381
Except they only have 4 moveslots still, so a special attacker can handle everything that isn't a special wall. A mixed attacker has to worry about not having the right coverage for a regular bulky Pokemon rather than worrying specifically about walls.

>>28993856
English not your first language?

>Eviolite for just attack and special attack
Like 5 pokemon get a better option. This effects lower tiers mostly. A choice item on the (faster) evolution is always better. Compare the alternatives for eviolite, the assualt vest gimps support pokemon and there is no physical variant.
>Eviolite for attack, special attack and speed.
Fuckton of prevos are now just flat out better than their evo. Examples;
Sneasel hits only just not as hard as life orb weavile, and is faster which is the main point.
252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 129-153 (37.8 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 133-156 (39 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Same story with Kadabra, except it hits harder than Alakazam.
252 SpA Choice Specs Kadabra Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 186-219 (54.5 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 175-208 (51.3 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Haunter
252 SpA Life Orb Haunter Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 156-185 (45.7 - 54.2%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 172-203 (50.4 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Interesting one, Pawniard. It actually outspeeds base 110's which is incredibly relevant as that's shit like latios and mega metagross.
252 Atk Choice Band Pawniard Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 120-142 (35.1 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 134-160 (39.2 - 46.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>>28994417
Maybe it should only be a x1.3 boost to Speed, Special Attack, and Special Defense for NFEs?

>>28994417
>>28994461
How about just a 1.5 boost to speed

>>28994322
>what are tiers

>>28994461
Same story just for fewer things.

>>28994486
This is fine too really, more options for NFE's in the lower tiers. As i said earlier the only reason we have eviolite being relevant is there is no real alternative for the evolved forms that don't completely and utterly miss the point (assault vest) or just don't exist at all. Offensively, there's the choice items and life orb.

>>28993919
Mixed sweeper sucks...

Dude do you realize some of the biggest threats to stall are mixed mon with strong stab moves?

And people wonder why stall is often said it is hard to beat, it is because folks like this can't invest their pokemon other than 252/ 252 Jolly, adamant, timid or modest...

>>28993856
the problem with most nfes is speed, even with a free choice band/specs they probably wont be very good
it would end up being just a select few that are usable like electabuzz, scyther, kadabra, sneasel, etc
also porygon2 could probably run an offensive set since its stats are actually good even without eviolite

but thats really it
generally nfes arent made with bulk in mind so its either glass cannon or bust
and theres a reason people dont use lightball pikachu as it is

>>28993943
It would hit just as hard as LO Alakazam

252 SpA Kadabra Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 225-265 (70 - 82.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 226-266 (70.4 - 82.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

So there would be little point in running offensive eviolite kadabra unless it remains in a lower tier than alakazam

>>28994521
Imaginary things that don't matter to anything official, but also a necessary evil to be able to use more Pokemon competitively.

The fact that there is a tier for Pokemon not even good enough to get into "never used" tier is bad enough, adding more Pokemon in the pool which basically previously did not exist just makes that worse.

>>28994417
>252 SpA Choice Specs Kadabra Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 186-219 (54.5 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>Choice Specs Offensive Eviolite Kadabra

what did he mean with this

>>28994736
specs and offensive eviolite are the same boost so I simulated it with specs. Hoip de doip

>>28994417

>English not your first language?
OP here, what about my post made you think that? Was it just the fractured sentences/too many questions?

But yeah, that does make a lot of pokemon better than their evolutions. I just want some of the well-designed second stages (e.g. Quilava) to have their time to shine.

>>28994625
I chose to add to both attack stats so you wouldn't need to have a Speciallly offensive Eviolite and a Physical offensive Eviolite- it simplifies it down to one item. Obviously most mons wouldn't use both stats, it just gives you the option of using it on a pokemon trained in either. But mixed mons would get a good boost too.

Huge Power Bunnelby + Offensive Eviolite instant LC ban

>>28995047
My point is that mixed wallbreakers are amazing, that idiot dared to say they sucked, stuff like Draco Meteor Garchomp and freeze dry mamoswine shit over so many stuff it is honestly ridiculous.

People need to realize that mixed sweepers have a real niche and not everything is just 252 atk /spatk and 256 on something else.

>>28996661
What do you think a good EV spread would be for something like this ?

>>28993856
It wouldn't be as powerful as you think. Most nfe Pokemon don't have the speed and defenses to make it work.
Stuff like Kadabra and Scyther would get a lot stronger tho.

>>28994714

If it doubled speed too then it would be vastly superior to Alakazam.

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It would be nasty.