Zodiac theory wins again

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>>28989980
Im waiting for the punchsnake.

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>Posting Fakemon

Generic Hawaiian girl theory wins again.

>>28990063
I need this now.

>>28989980
>A fox is a canine, that means it counts as dog!
It would have been a perfect theory if it didn't have a solid counterexample.

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>>28990063
If they somehow make the Snake fire starter a Fire/Fighting type I wont be mad in fact I might it use if the grass starter isn't any better

>>28990063
>A second lizard fire starter appears and zodiacfags says its a snake
>>28989980
the one that grasp straws like Fennekin line being a dog or Cyndaquil line are mice?

>>28990063
>Gen 8 gives us a fire/dragon
>Zodiacfags try to retcon Charizard to Snake, because it wasn't really a dragon anyways

>>28989980

I'm not that familiar with china, but at what point did they add a furry luchador to their zodiac?

and don't pretend anything past tepig is even vaguely pig/boar based.

>>28990268
It works as a damn dog. You're probably one of those faggots who said the rugby monkey prediction was wrong because Passimian is a lemur.

I still have no fucking clue how zodiacfags think Typhlosion, a badger, is supposed to be a rat.

>>28990534
It's a badger? Uh. I never stopped to think about Typhlosion.

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>>28990268
>we could literally get a snake, horse, sheep, and ox fire starter and people will still be saying it's bullshit because fennekin is a fox

>>28990565
Then litten disproves it - there is no cat in the chinese zodiac.

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>>28990063

>>28990594
lmao

>>28990593

Any stage in a Pokemon's line counts.

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>Foxes are Dogs
>Echidna/Badgers are Rats
>Dragons are Longs
"No"

>>28990593
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger
>largest member of the cat family
>part of the zodiac
>litten is a cat with an inverse color tiger pattern
>lucha is clearly tiger themed
>many real life luchas use tiger imagery

>>28990594
When it leaks, /vp/ will see it's first stage learns Head Smash on a trailer and sperg out about it being type rock.

>>28990622

Cat -> Slightly Larger Cat -> Luchador.

I ain't seeing it bud.

>>28990651
My point is "What do you guys look for? last or first stage?"

>>28990676

>a large cat with big claws, fangs and stripes isn't a tiger

>>28990572
We could get a earthworm and Zodiacfags would say "well worms are long and limbless just like SNAKES! Close enough!"

>>28990427
It's a tiger

>>28990688
They cherrypick.

>>28990755

now, I have seen tigers.

and they don't look like that.

>>28989980
Anyone's got a bigger version of this?

>>28990382
I can see that happening.

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>>28990970

>>28989980

Congratulations on shitposting another new thread about the same boring thing?

>>28990457
Sure, just like how Cyndaquil works as a damn mouse.

>inb4 >>28990565
Then Charmander is the Lizard Pokemon. Not Dragon Pokemon or Long Pokemon.
The LIZARD Pokemon.

>>28990457
No, it doesn't.
Dogs and foxes are EXTREMELY different animals in Chinese and general east asian mythos. Dogs are seen as loyal and dependable, while foxes are seen as cunning tricksters. Those are complete opposites, anon.

>>28990593
there IS a cat

incidentally, the cat and fox are interchangeable secret zodiac animals

saying there isnt a cat is like saying Ophiuchus isnt a thing

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>>28990382
they would actually do that desu

>>28991285
You forget, Zodiacfags will cherrypick whatever definition they need to in order to make their delusion work.

>>28990369
>suggesting fennel foxes are related close enough to make the connection to dogs (both canines) and same with shrews and rats (both rodent) is grasping straws.
Actually desu I don't know why I expect mutations such as yourself to make the connection without being explicitly told

>>28991740
1) It's cat and rabbit.
2) No. That's the Vietnamese zodiac.

>>28990593
>Moving goalposts is okay when WE do it!
Tigers are cats anyways.

>>28991285
>Sure, just like how Cyndaquil works as a damn mouse.
Yeah like that since as posted its the Fire Mouse Pokemon. Glad we agree.

>>28991862
>>28990688

Read the thread before throwing shit.

>>28991649
>muh cultural differences
I can't with you fucking people. Japan isn't still an isolationist state, they're able to educate themselves about Western ideas about animals, they definitely are aware foxes are canids. Actually fuck the rest about culture, they know they're canids because they're not retarded. It works fine.

>>28991763
Well, this >>28991786 definitely reminds me of it.

>>28991875
Oh sure, I agree Cyndaquil is the Fire Mouse Pokemon.

That means it doesn't represent the Rat sign.

>>28991904
Take your own advice you stupid bitch I was giving a reply.

>>28991925
Feel free to keep sperging, but care to elaborate?
I'm not getting the point of your reply.

>>28991911
>That means it doesn't represent the Rat sign.
Amazing. And zodiacfags are the ones grasping at straws.

Alright everyone pack it up no reason to keep arguing with retards.

>>28991954
I don't agree with you guys, but that one argument does sound mighty stupid.

>>28991906
>they're able to educate themselves about Western ideas about animals
And yet they regularly choose not to.

>>28991954
Aren't we all now? Grasping at straws I mean.

>>28989980
Worms are snakes, Llamas are Sheep, Hamsters are rabbits, Gazelle are oxen and Camels are horses.

Saying a fox is like a dog is like saying a giraffe is like a horse, or that a deer is like a goat, or that a dove is like a chicken

>>28992735
>Saying a fox is like a dog is like saying a giraffe is like a horse
>comparing two canids is the same as comparing an oddtoed and eventoed ungulate
no

>anti-zodiacfags think they're not the autistic ones while going full no fun allowed on a small scale theming pattern that means nothing in the long run and is basically just a low key running gag from gamefreak
Jesus christ /vp/

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>>28993132
I like discussions.
I just want consistent arguments for why this pattern is perceived.
I know it's pointless since we can't confirm it is or isn't without word from the creators, but I would like to understand.

>>28989980
I don't recall humans being part of the zodiac.

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This is a japanese mouse

>>28989980
> again
That would require it to have won before

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>>28993305

This is a japanese mouse

>>28993333
Checked.

>>28993132
I'm fine with making theories itself.
But when you have to start grasping at straws to prove your point, then I have a problem.
And when you make a thread like this, as if it's some kind of a competition, never mind the fact that it's still a possibility, then it's a bigger problem.

Case in point, that one wholly-accepted alchemy theory pic where the starters are connected to alchemy. You know, the one where Popplio and Rockruff are posed in a very unnatural way?

That said, the zodiac theory itself is fine. Some of them is stretching it - like Cyndaquil - but I at least can see where you're coming from.

Why are you antizodiacfags so fucking stupid?
They're not supossed to be the literal animals, they're references or allusions. I'll believe in it until we get an elephant or lizard or something that isn't a reference to the chinese zodiac.

>>28993451
I don't follow.
Your scope in this thread gets ever wider, but we are the stupids?
Can you define your standing theory?

>>28993451
>lizard
Not exactly an anti-zodiacfag, but Charmander IS the Lizard Pokemon.

>>28993562
Not the same anon, but it's barely even a "theory". I wish people wouldn't call it that. It's more of an allusion, where the animals may not always be directly the Zodiac creature, but so far they fit the general theme

>>28993451
so far we got a
>"dragon"
>rooster
>hog
>rodent
>monkey
>canine

and now is a tiger

only 5 more

>>28993720
>Inb4 some Youtuber makes a theory about Pokemon ending at Gen 11 because of this
I believe the Zodiac starters, but I wonder what they'll do if they go that far with Pokemon?

I see a pattern indeed, but I don't really think GF is forced to stick to it when designing the pokémons. I think it goes more like

A: let's do a fire mouse!
B: oh, sure, what about this drawing?
A: it looks cool, but more like an echidna, no?
B: ah, we can play with it too.
[Cindaquil is born]

>>28992735
>Saying a fox is like a dog is like saying a giraffe is like a horse, or that a deer is like a goat, or that a dove is like a chicken
No. Saying that a fox is like a dog is like saying a zebra is like a horse, or that a deer is like a caribou, or that a dodo is like a flightless dodo.

>>28993754

Western zodiac

>>28993796
>like a flightless dodo
*like a flightless dove

Also: Cindaquil and Charizard being atypical might be explained by GF developing the pattern AFTER some fans said "hey, are you following the Chinese zodiac for fire starters or what?".

>>28993754
The next one will be a cat. After that it'll just be dropped because a cute pattern isn't worth the whole franchise.

Actually, I'd like to hope they'll have revamped starters entirely somehow by that point anyway.

>>28993720
So now all we have left is

>fire snake
>fire horse (AKA Rapidash)
>fire ox (actually sounds awesome)
>fire goat
>fire rabbit

>>28991087
hazeldex would be proud.

>>28993940
>gorgon
>centaur
>minotaur
>faun
>playboy bunny

Bipeds win again