Grass Starters win again stay mad fire fighters

>>28945960
Its also gonna get a ground Z form

Fire fighting is a good type combination though.

Grass and Water starters have overall enjoyed their lines.

Fire started off good but went to shit about halfway through the franchise.

I'd be more mad if I was a waterfag, the last good one they got was gen 2

>>28945960
>Grass Starters win
true
>again
totally false, particularly after chesnaught

>>28946070
There's nothing wrong with Chesnaught apart from color scheme, which the Shiny addresses.

>>28945960
KING OF NEVERUSED :^)

>>28946100
>There's nothing wrong with Chesnaught
Chesnaughtfags need to learn to shut the fuck up already.

>>28946143
I'm surprised the irony is lost on you.

>>28946036
>Chespin or Serperior good
Plus charizard is betterthsn every grass starter so its ok

>>28946061
Greninja was good other than that I agree, Gen 7 for water looks awful again though, I've seen so many people talk shit about Popplios evo its funny lol

>>28946178
>implying smug snek isn't god tier

>>28946202
>Gen 7 for water looks awful

Look at this shitty taste.

>>28946228
>tip
go back to your basement neckbeard

>>28946228
Yeah I'm looking right at you.

The only person I know irl who likes Popplio's line now is this one m-f transgender person I know.

>>28946070
I think OP wanted to say Serperior. Its design is decent at best but it wasn't as hated as Firefighter 3: New York trip, or Samurott being quadruped after its pre-evos were biped.

Bonus point for it being the only non-mega Grass starter in the highest tier compared to the others.

>>28946255
>>28946243
Why are you guys so much insecure? are you 12 or something?

>>28946302
>le insecurity meme

>>28946390
Thanks for proving my point.

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>This thread

>>28946302
i love my waifu mon, i'll make sure to jerk off to it every day

>>28945960
if real then robinhoot is the best starter final evo out of all three so far.

the buff cat is all levels of stupid and the mermaid bitch is whatever.

>>28945960
looks like it has shit defenses
>ice shard

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>>28946460

>>28946212
Serperior is trash. Not as bad as Shitnaught, but still bad.

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>>28946492
how can one man's opinion be so wrong

>>28946143
kys

>>28946528
fround the underage.

>>28945960
fag OP it has Tropius syndrome, both look cool but have the same shitty typing. Rowlet 3 is shittier

>>28946302
I've never heard anyone express a positive opinion on the Popplio line outside this contrarian shithole

>>28946589
What's Tropius syndrome? If you're going to say its typing, I'm going to follow up by asking if you think every Grass/Flying Pokemon is bad.

>>28946492
Literally the only bad grass starter is chikorita. Other than that grass has consistently had the best design each gen.

>>28946566
>if I call him underage I win!

>>28946745
Actually yes. All of them are shit except Shaymin Sky because it's a legendary. Stay mad rowlet fag

>>28946589
Tropius is crap because it has a shit typing, shit stats, shit abilities and coverage.
>>28946809
>because it's a legendary
So are many other shitmons.

>>28946809
>Actually yes
>Proceeds to say there's an exception

You've already proved yourself wrong by saying typing isn't the deciding factor. You stay mad.

>>28946832
I'm still right though. To this date, all of you grass/flying fags suck because it's shitty typing. Cry more as ice shards one shot your worthless owl imposter of Noctowl.

>>28945960
Again? What do you mean.

The best starters are:
1. Charmander
2. Totodile
3. Mudkip
4. Chimchar
5. Oshawott
6. Froakie

Grass is shit.

>>28946931
grass fags probably think meganium and chesnaught are good.

>>28946931
>Charmander
>Oshawott
??

>>28947021
>implying anything but muh charizard is the best
Also gen 5 is pretty shit but second place is Tepig. Snivy is shit.

>tfw waterfag until Gen 7

Sorry fellow waterfag, I cound't do it this time

>>28946492
>This shit taste
Out

>>28946869
>is blatantly wrong by Shaymin-S's existence
>I'm still right though.

Why are you even posting? lmao

>>28947046
>Charizard
>Garbage for 5 generations
>Barely useable in OU right now even with two megas

>Serperior
>Only gen5 starter above RU

>>28946492

Look I'm no smogonfag but I know Serperior is considered OU so it clearly did something right.

>>28947113
Serp was NU shitmon until it got Contrary

And it looks dumb

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>>28945960
This design is dumb.

I'll admit it's the most aesthetic of the three, but the bow is just head up ass retarded. It just doesn't work. He might as well just launch arrows from thin air, it would make just as much sense.

Yes it's fiction but it's retarded even for Pokemon. It would be like calling Conkeldurr's pillars swords, and showing them slice through things.

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>>28947182
agreed, the animations gonna be retarted as fuck

>>28945960
>Grass
>Winning anything

ICE SHARD LMAO ENJOY PU

>>28947182
>pillars swords, and showing them slice through things.
...
I bet it'll work on the anime.

>>28947355
Why would you leave it out on an ice type?
You're not very good.

What kind of moves is it likely to learn?
Grass, Flying, ???, ???, ???, etc

>>28947156
how good is Greninja before Protean? BL?

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>Venusaur
Good
>Meganium
Trash
>Sceptile
Good
>Torterra
Good
>Serperior
Trash
>Chestnaught
Trash
>Robinhoot
Good

4/7

>Blastoise
Good
>Feraligatr
Good
>Swampert
Good
>Empoleon
Good
>Samurott
Trash
>Greninja
Good
>Poppmaid
Trash

5/7

>Charizard
Good
>Typhlosion
Good
>Blaziken
Good
>Infernape
Good
>Emboar
Trash
>Delphox
Trash
>Luchalitten
Trash

4/7

Water wins.

>>28946036
But anon, Luchalitten and Infernape are the only good Fire starters.

>>28947502
Greninja debuted with Protean so he was OU from the start. Got banned from it when he got Gunk Shot on ORAS.

>>28947513
>"I don't like the design so it's a bad pokemon: the opinion"

>>28945960
>Again
You mean for the first time?

>>28946405
>pointing out a flawed meme argument somehow proves a flawed meme argument

enjoy your waifu, faggot

>>28947513
>Serperior Trash
The only OU non-mega Grass starter, and your dumb ass thinks it's trash

>>28947838
Venusaur is OU too dumbshit.

>>28946143
>>28946178
>>28946492
>>28946931
>>28946943
>>28946070

>All this shit taste in just one thread

>>28947079
>starter stats
>bird pokemon have shitty movepools
>slower than litten
>It's going to struggle against a significant amount of good Pokémon
>Needs a large catalog of coverage moves
>weak to sneaky pebbles
>weak to the most common coverage moves, I.e. fire, rock and ice.

Shymin-S doesn't inherit half of those complications because its not a bird a bird and it's a legendary.

>>28947513
>Torterra, Sceptile and Robinhoot
>Good
NU shitmons will never be good, famalam

>>28945960
>Again
The last time they won was Gen 3. And that was more of a tie.

>>28948082
>starter stats
BST is not as important as stat distribution. Shaymin-S might have high BST but a lot of it is wasted in attack. Rowlet could be better optimized for similar useful stats.
>bird pokemon have shitty movepools
Not an argument, "bird" is not a restriction.
>slower than Litten
Tepig and Oshawott start with the same speed but then change later. Not indicative of final stats.
>it's going to struggle
Not an argument
>needs a large catalog of coverage moves
Grass/Flying gives it neutral STAB against literally everything except Steel, and the handful of Electric/Flying types.
>weak to pebbles
It also has SE STAB against many rock setters, and it's immune to grass status.
>weak to th emost common coverage moves
The most common coverage is fire, fighting and ground, and it's good against two of those.

Again you are moving the goalpost. You said grass/flying is a death sentence yet there is an exception. Its legendary status is irrelevant because that extra BST is wasted in an unused stat regardless. It proves that grass/flying can be good if designed correctly.

>>28947954
wow yeah he's so dumb jokes on him there's even more pokemon to prove his point

>>28947954
>non-mega

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>>28948117

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>>28947485
Those legs could be good for Jump Kick or something similar. Rowlet is stated to attack with kicks. I could Fighting and Flying go together very well. That with Grass STAB and a boost move would be a good start. Even Close Combat could get in there.

It doesn't need a lot of types, it just needs the right types. Normal will be there. Dark moves like Night Slash could happen. Steel Wing, not that it'll be useful. U-turn and probably some other Bug moves. Ghost unlikely though Shadow Claw is a stretch possibility. Could follow Noctowl and get some Psychic. Poison, Rock, Ground could surprise us but I doubt it. Fairy and Dragon unlikely and unnecessary, but even fucking Chesnaught got Dragon Claw. Water, Fire, Ice, and Electric obviously all but out of the question.

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>>28948937
I see it getting a signature version of Hone Claws. Being an archer pokemon it makes sense for it to have a move that increases one's accuracy and attack.

So something like Brave Bird, [Hone Claws], High Jump Kick, Leaf Blade? could work.

>>28947999
hahahahha

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>>28949117
No reason it couldn't just get Hone Claws, too. I think Swords Dance is likely since physical Grass types often get it and Talonflame has now set a precedent for raptorial birds getting it. High Jump Kick might be a bit less likely because that's technically a knee kick, and Rowlet3 has those backwards-bending ankle joints of typical bird legs. Jump Kick is more like a drop kick so that would be acceptable.

Realistically, we all know that if this thing gets tapped as a GameFreak favorite then it'll get whatever the fuck it needs. The hints that Ash is getting Rowlet and the thought put into its design suggest that they are trying to get a new Greninja going here. Weird coverage moves? Tinted Lens? Gale Wings? A unique and useful ability? GameFreak can provide if they see fit.

I'm most interested in the stats. Rowlet has high HP and was the middleman for speed, but that has changed in the past and could change again. It would be better off Physical than Speciql unless I got CompoundEyes or No Guard or some shit, which would make things like Hurricane or Grass Whistle nasty. Most of the moves I could see it making use of are physical, and the high HP may be to provide a Brave Bird recoil cushion. I love this Pokemon conceptually, shaky physics be damned, and I hope it runs out at least respectable in battle.

>>28946178
Charizard is one of the worst starters in the series and is saved primarily because of the double megas.

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>>28945960
When was the last time grass starters won? Gen IV? Have grass starters ever won?

>>28946931
Charmander is trash in gen I and in the remakes.

>>28949517
Gen I is the only time they've won and there's a case to be made even then for Squirtle.

>>28946061

What horrid taste.

>>28946739

You clearly haven't looked very far then.

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>>28949517
>Venusaur
Great, Tied w/ Charzard for Winner
>Meganium
Shit
>Sceptile
Great, Tied w/ Blazaken for Winner
>Torterra
Great, Winner
>Serperior
Good
>Chestnaught
Good
>Robinhoot
Great, Winner

>>28949517
They won gen V in retrospect by snek finally getting contrary in gen VI. Also please don't imply gen IV had any other starter than Infernape.

>>28947052
>he went with Samurott

wew lad

>>28947586
Calling someone insecure isn't a meme. That claim predates the internet by many years.

>>28947586
>le waifu

Shut up, retard.

>>28949517
They only won Gen 3.

>>28947586
Keep your buzzwords to you my man.

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>>28945960
Sure OP

It's fire darkers btw

Grass
Venusaur Good
Meganium Good (don't get the hate, someone explain why)
Sceptile Great
Torterra Good
Serperior Good
Chesnaught Okay
Robinhoot Good

Fire
Charizard Good
Typhlosion Good
Blaziken Good
Infernape Good
Emboar Worst Starter
Delphox Braixen/10
Beltigre Okay

Water
Blastoise Biased so great
Feraligtr Good
Swampert Great
Empoleon Good
Samurott Okay
Greninja Good
Otter thing Good despite the obvious implications

it was only fair considering that chesnaught is the worst starter of all time

>>28946061
You're obviously not a waterfag. The only one I don't like is Samurott

Only shit grass is Meganium, only shit water is Samurott, meanwhile fire has both Emboar, Delphox and the new guy. But Charizard has two mega so it must be ok

>>28949718
>Meganium Good (don't get the hate, someone explain why)

It looks feminine enough to put off boys that are afraid of cooties, but not feminine/furry enough to attract furfags. Also pretty bad battle-wise. I like its design though.

>>28946178
Charizard is better than every starter. Not just the Grass ones.

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>>28945960
Honestly the only visually bad starters are Meganuim, Chestnaught, Samurott, Poppmaid, Delphox and Emboar

Even those have defenders

At least from visual design perspective the others are all pretty good

You can argue back and forth forever which "wins"

If anything, the closest single objectively "winning" starter is Charzard given that its one of the Faces of Pokemon and has two mega evolutions

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>>28946931
>Memekip
>best anything

>>28949788
It's probably just the battle thing. It has grass syndrome where it gets pretty much no good coverage. Its only saving grace was being able to learn Earthquake unlike Serperior.

>>28947355
>Fire
>Winning anything

STEALTH ROCK LMAO ENJOY PU
See? I can do it, too.

>>28949788
I thought the hate was because it's a shitty Pokémon with an acceptable design.

>>28945960
I just hope they it make it right. giving sceptile blades but SP Attack is kinda silly. I Hope this grass starter is our speedy sweeper, and SP attack might make more sense. I see Litten becoming a physical bruiser. And Popplio becoming a special wall.

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>>28946474
>Dartrix's face when

>>28949631
Infernape is better. Torterra in the anime was a huge jobber while Infernape is one of Ash's strongest Pokémon.

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>>28949870
>yet another fire fighting type
>better than the world turtle

>>28949916
>world turtle
Blastoise and Torkoal pulled off the turtle design better. Plus Torterra has the same design scheme as the first two Grass starters. It's comfy, I have to admit, but it sucks in battle and is too slow and useless.

>>28948372
So did regular Venusaur fell from OU? That's probably because there's no point in using him when you can use the Mega.

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Ice beam.
Seeya later!

>>28949788
It ruined Bayleef

>>28949957
And Bayleef ruined Chikorita.

>>28949945
STAB grass arrow.

See you never in PU: the experience

>>28949645
Samurott is the best starter for a BW run.

>>28949944
He's RU now. It makes sense unfortunately, Grass/Poison is very average.

>>28949945
>mfw Robinhoot gets protean and access to poison-type moves
Yiff in hell

Charizard
Typhlosion
Sceptile
Infernape
Serperior
Delphos
Litten3

>>28950060
great taste

>>28945981
>type combination matters

Tell that to me skill link + rock blast

>>28950135
Can't you just use a flying move?

>>28945960

Except Waterbros won grasshole.

>>28950060
Switch Delphox with Greninja and your taste is golden.

>>28950213
Funny joke. Popplio isn't exactly the most popular starter outside of this contrarian wasteland.

>>28950213
The only good starter Water has going for it is Greninja. The rest range from meh to mediocre.

>>28950213
All I know is that fire lost. I'll be mad for all eternity.

When was the last time grass won?

>Gen 1
Charizard = Blastoise > Venusaur
>Gen 2
Feraligatr > Typhlosion > Meganium
>Gen 3
Blaziken > Sceptile > Swampert
>Gen 4
Infernape > Empoleon > Torterra
>Gen 5
Emboar > Serperior > Samurott
>Gen 6
Greninja > Delphox > Chesnaught

>>28947838
That's just because of his broken ass ability + leaf storm.
Literally more conceptually broken than greninja

>>28949482
t.unovabortion

>>28950243
I honestly don't like any of them but I chose Delphox first. Only Protean Greninja is good and I don't count that as Greninja because it isn't easy to get

>>28950286
Venusaur won gen1

>Charizard
>Feraligatr
>Sceptile
>Infernape
>Serperior
>Greninja
>Robinhoot

I have superior taste.

>>28950249
>le everyone hates Popplio meme

>>28950286
Serperior won Gen 5, Sceptile Tied Gen 3 with Blazaken

>>28950175
>What is coverage

>>28950445
I thought you just wanted to beat Fire/Fighting. Also Rock Blast is kinda shit coverage with Grass and Flying since you're still walled by Steel.

>>28950286
What are you basing this off of? Battle viability, main gameplay viability, design?

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>>28950420
>superior tatse

>charizard
>typhlosion
>swampert
>torterra
>samurott
>delphox

Get on my level.
Also
>not choosing the starter based on their vaiability on your team

>>28950305
>implying

>>28950475
It can't be main game viability because Serperior is the worst starter ever for normal runs.

>>28950489
>>swampert
Barafags aren't welcomed here.

>>28950464
Steel is not that big of a problem for RobinHoot.
Rock blast gives it coverage to fire and ice which are its main weaknesses

>>28950513
Swampert is the best fucking option for RSE. Absolutely nothing stands in its way barring the rival battle on the way to Mauville.

>>28950430
Funny joke. Popplio's had a mixed reception since its reveal and Poppmaid hasn't changed that. Brionne just makes it worse.

>>28950528
It doesn't matter if it's good if it's too ugly and hideous to look at. Besides, all of the Hoenn starters are good in-game, so it doesn't really matter.

>>28950496
>Forgetting Meganium

>>28950553
At least Meganium has another region and Earthquake to possibly redeem itself.

>>28950546
Treecko gets no moves and Torchic doesn't absolutely smash the game like Swampert does.

>Gen I:
Venusaur > Blastoise > Charizard
>Gen II:
Meganium > Typhlosion > Feraligatr
>Gen III
Sceptile > Swampert > Blaziken
>Gen IV
Empoleon > Torterra > Infernape
>Gen V
Samurott = Emboar > Serperior
>Gen VI
Delphox > Greninja > Chesnaught
>Gen VII
Owl 3 > Poppmaid > Tiger

>This triggers the /vp/

>>28950527
>walled by a single type
>not a problem

Fighting lets it beat both Steel and Ice. Or Ground gets Steel and Fire. Both are much better options than Rock.

>>28950594
>anything over Serperior
>honestly believing that fat pig and retarded water weasel better than the smuggest snek
Your tastes were almost patrician tier too

>>28950589
>only liking Pokémon for their viability
You're no fun.

>>28950594
You're right on gen 1, 5, and 7 though

>>28950677
If I like all of their designs I go for viability, anon.

>>28945960

I only rate the final evolution.
1 - Grass 10/10 Fire 10/10 Water 2/10
2 - Grass 7/10 Fire 8/10 Water 9/10
3 - Grass 10/10 Fire 10/10 Water 10/10
4 - Grass 8/10 Fire 10/10 Water 10/10
5 - Grass 6/10 Fire 5/10 Water 1/10
6 - Grass 2/10 Fire 5/10 Water 9/10
7 - Grass 10/10 Fire 2/10 Water 10/10

>>28945960
But grass has only won once before
>Gen 1:
Fire
>Gen 2:
Water
>Gen 3:
Water
>Gen 4:
Fire
>Gen 5:
Grass
>Gen 6:
Water

>>28950754
1 Genwunner the not-dragon/10
2 ok
3 shit taste
4 agree
5 they are all shit
6 literally the only 1 starter gen

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>>28950720

10/10 taste
are you me?

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>>28950708
>>28950754
>liking Shitpert's design
kys

>>28949631
I didn't expect to see someone with the same taste in Grass starters as me. You're cool in my book, anon.

>>28950420
>infernape
>superior

Please

>>28950824
Just for (You)

I just wanna see the world burn, but, personally:
1.Venusaur > Blastoise > Charizard
2.Typhlosion > meganium > Feraligtr
3.Sceptile > blaziken > swampert
even though swampert is good.
4.Empoleon > Infernape > Torterra
5.Serperior = Emboar = Samurott
Unpopular opinion: i feel like gen V has the best starters.
6.Greninja > Delphox > Chesnaught
7.Popplio > Litten > Rowlet

>>28951055
Charizard last, Popplio first
kek

Serperior is literally the best poke ever. Prove me wrong.

>>28949117
Who are the 9 not very effective?

>>28951338
Zapdos, Emolga, Rotom-F, Aegislash line (4), Thundurus (2).

Basically only Doublade, Zapdos and Thundurus are relevant* since Rotom-F and Emolga are PU and Aegi is banned. Everything else it hits for neutral or SE damage.

>>28951453
There's a chance Aegi could come back next gen, like the Latis, Salamence, and Garchomp.

>>28948082
Owls aren't birds

>>28951522
Here's your (You)

>>28951522
Yes, they are.

>>28945960
>again
since when? They only won once before

>gen 1
Chamander
>gen 2
Totodile
>gen 3
Treeko
>gen 4
Piplup
>gen 5
everyone lost
>gen 6
Froakie

>>28949460
>Swords Dance is likely since physical Grass types often get it
Exeggcute
FUCKING EXEGGCUTE
gets it.
Every single Grass type in the history of grass types learns it.
EXCEPT:
Leavanny's Prevos
Whimsicott line
Maractus (although Cacturne and Cacnea do)
Pansage + Simisage
Skiddo + Gogoat
It wasnt until Gen5 they started not giving it to literally every grass type.
Yes, the Turtwig line gets it too.

>>28948082
>>weak to sneaky pebbles
Oh if only there was a near-universal move for Flying types that recovered health...
Rowlett is bulky as sin, theoretically. It'll be able to fit plenty of Roosts if it wants

>>28951617
>everyone lost
Spotted the Serperior user.
Samurott unarguably kicks shit in with Waterfall and X-Scissor, or Ice Beam and Surf/Scald. Could stand to be a tiny bit faster or get DDance or something but it's plenty strong as is.

Aside from Gale Wings or making up an ability, what ability would make Rowlet UU/OU at least?

>inb4 gayl wungz hurr

>>28951688
No, you spotted the only gen I boxed the shitty starter. Out of the gen 5 starters Snivy is especially the shittiest line

>>28951742
PROTEAN

>>28951797
>owls
>camouflage

You're not wrong, but you're not right either.

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>>28951822
baka ningen

>>28951742
>>28949460
As I said further up, Tinted Lens already has a precedent with Noctowl and would be pretty sweet. Always a handy ability. Even a unique or new ability would be awesome, it doesn't have to be Protean tirer. With good stat distribution, coverage of at least Fighting, and a respectable ability Bowanowl could be plenty fine.

>>28945960
pls don't be Shaymin-Cancer form 2.0

>>28951688
>X-Scissor

Use Megahorn pussy

>>28951860
What does some bark have to do with anything?

>>28951742
Serene Grace :^)

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>>28945960
it's going to be a grass/dark type isn't it?

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>>28951935
Give Protean.

>>28951546
for you

4U4U4U4U

>>28951998
Grass/Dark
Fire/Dark____
Water/____

Count on it.

>>28951055
I'll do one based on in-game viability taking into consideration TMs, Pokémon you play against, and other available mons. This only takes into account the gen they appear in of course.
>Blastoise >= Venusaur > Charizard
>Feraligatr = Typhlosion > Meganium
>Swampert > Blaziken > Sceptile
>Infernape > Empoleon > Torterra
>Samurott >= Emboar > Serperior
>Greninja > Delphox > Chesnaught
>who knows for gen 7?
Just my opinions. Yes, you can beat the game with any Pokémon ever we know but some do it quicker and more smoothly than others.

>>28952259
That cat is going to be Fire/Fighting and you fucking know it. The transexual serial killer-looking seal is going to be Water/Fairy, and the Owl is going to be Grass/Dark and look great but get smashed into the ground by fucking everything.

>>28952066

That would be color change. And it's a shit ability.

>>28951881
What are the odds that GF would give the same ability of that caliber to two similar mons? They're both owls

How would Robinhoot fare with something like Moxie or Defiant?

"winners" of every gen, by popularity
>Charizard
>No obvious winner, but probably Typhlosion
>Blaziken because it got a mega before the other 2
>Empoleon
>Serperior, maybe? idk they're all shit
>Greninja
S/M's will probably be Luchalitten, ash will get it in the anime and kids will eat that shit up. Alternitively, another gen of Greninja/charizard pandering.

>>28952808
Gen 4 was Infernape by a long shot

>>28952808

Robinhoot will be the star of the next anime.

>>28945960
>that terrible design
>win again

LOL

>>28952808
Assuming the leaks are real it's pretty obvious that ash will get the owl. Luchalitten is too generic to be the next greninja.

>>28952808
Don't force your favorites as the winners, anon.

Gen 1 had Charizard winning by a GREAT margin, but all the starters got plenty of love.

Gen 2 had Feraligatr winning by a small margin, with typho being "quite cool". Meganium was ignored and stayed like this until this day.

Gen 3 had Sceptile winning it. It was the most used, had an excellent deck in TCG, was Ash's ace, cool design. All of 3 starters were great, again. Also, you can't call someone a winner of gen 3 by something that happened in gen 6 and, even then, because gamefreak forced(and REALLY forced) blaziken down our throats, Sceptile still stands as a winner. Cool mega design, again appeared in XY...

Gen 4 had infernape winning by a long margin. Torterra wasn't up to the competition and Empoleon was just a disgrace.

Gen 5 was the war of no option: Three shitty basic stages, middle evolutions and final forms. Oshawott line was pitiful in everything and snek had the chance to win by design only, but it was so disgraceful even stat-wise that made people reset their games to the cool westrling pork that actually could fight.

Gen 6 was FROG - THE GEN, biggest gap of them all.

Gen 7 have 3 great mons, i'm amused. I love popplio's like, they're all awesome, fabulous and the middle stage is cute as fuck, but RobinHoot just got me hard.

gen 1:
water > fire > grass

gen 2:
water > fire > grass

gen 3:
grass > water > fire

gen 4:
grass > water > fire

gen 5:
fire > grass > water

gen 6:
water > grass > fire

gen 7:
grass > water > fire

ya I would say grass/water are better than fire starters

>>28953057
It seems likely, popplio is more fit to be part of a performing thing than anything, and it's not cool for them do do ANOTHER infernape.

But remember that we're talking about an anime that fucked everything up on purpose and, by the looks of it, it'll be kanto/unova all again. I can see him getting all three and evolving none.

>>28949631
>shitnaught
>good

How can someone be this retarded?

>>28950420
Switch Charizard for Venusaur and you're literally me.

Still a solid list. Best ranking in this whole thread.

Charizard
Feraligatr (or none who cares about those)
Swampert
Torterra
Emboar
Chestnaught
Luchalitten

>tfw when your opinion will trigger tons of autists and you love it

Venusaur
Feraligatr
Swampert
Torterra
Samurott
Greninja
Robinhoot

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>>28953953
>literally me except for charizard and luchalitten

Your opinion is pretty good, anon.

>>28953953
>being proud of being contrarian scum

Im a denial fag coming to terms with these starter reveals cause they might really actually be true.
I just dont understand whats with this hard swerve in the design and themes for these guys. They dont make sense.Cool cat turns into hottblooded cat, water sealthing entertainer turning into just the WORST fucking looking thing ever, Owl that loves it appearance evolving into a thing that hides it in a hoodie like cape. I just dont know anymore.

>>28945960
it's Fire/Dark you hippie cuck

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>>28945960
Seriously. Developers are biased against fire types. Ever since Gen 1 Fires types have been stuck in same meta-stat box. The fire types usually have predictable stats ( charizard = typhlosion) While grass and water have higher degree of stat freedom. They are not confided to slow special and defensive stats like in gen 1.