BW, BW2,X&Y AND ORAS ARE NOT CANON

Please stop

Got any proof to back that up, fuckboy?

I thought Gen 3 through Gen 5 was its own canon. Gen 1 and 2 were its own thing and XYORAS as well.

its been confirmed that there are alternate universes, as said by the zinna girl in oras.

Every game is canon. Even if there are inconsistencies, you can just assume the previous thing was retconned for the newer game. But there all canon and all share a universe and have basically the same history except for the retcons. Which is why you saw Looker in Gen 6, and see Dexio and Sina in Gen 7.

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>>28926955
Friendly reminder that it's time, anon.

>>28927102
I'm pretty sure Zinnia just theorizes that and everyone calls her nuts.

Every game is canon like >>28927114 said, but Pokemon has never really cared about canon and we shouldn't either.

>>28926955
you dumb as fuck?

pokemon rby,gsc - 1st universe

pokemon: frlf,hgss,dpp,bw/bw2 - 2nd universe

pokemon xy,oras -3rd universe

pokemon aola,anime -4th universe

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>>28926955
Why not 2 canons?

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>Pokemon has to deal with multiverse bullshit now

Goddammit

Why couldn't it have just been a retcon

>>28927527
Pretty much this except that

Xy,oras,aola,anime are still the same universe steven mentioned alain in oras.
Also each catridge represents a different timelime with each playtrough being canon.
I think why people are butthurt about is that the games are mentioning thr anime making it canon but if you dont have a high level of autism you should be enough to enjoy the game as it is.

cry more

>>28927666
Seriously though who the fuck in gamefreak thought putting ash in the game and lowkey promoting a shit series would be a good idea?

/vp/ takes this shit way more seriously than anyone actually making the games does. And I thought I had autism talking about Zelda lore.

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>tfw gen 1 and 2 are actually the non-canon generations

>>28927666
Wrong aola,anime are a universe on their own.
Ash meet with may and there was no primal groudon/kyogre in his story. Also jessie james appeared in yellow so alain being named in oras proves nothing.

>>28927978
ah makes sense sry for doubting you anon-sensei.

>>28927666
Wait I thought ash being a trial master was fake. I dont want the anime shit in my games.

>>28927623
You know the parallel world thing was since gen1. It is also just to justify how to trade between two players. It is just a parallel universe where the players are. The link cable makes the connection between them.

Also it helps to explain, why weren't there mega evos and shit. Different universe

Do I have to eatch thr whole anime and ash jobbing the leagues to enjoy a full canon experience?

>>28926955
Oh, you again.
Stop making yourself look like a fucking idiot.
Superglaliefag

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>>28926955
Who the fuck cares, the lore is so deep i can barely get my balls wet in it. This is not some dc-multiverse where every story must be cataloged.

If you ask me, I couldn't care less about this shit, unless they step it up and actually write some good storyline. So far it's muh shounen with saving world and asspulls all around.

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HOW MANY TIMES DO WE NEED TO TEACH YOU A LESSON, ANON

>>28927030
Only rse and oras are confirmed separated.

>>28927455
No, everyone believes her. She doesnt theorize either, she said her clan observed the other universe.

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Something about the way you word things sounds familiar.

>>28927527
Proof on non rse games being separated from gen 6?
Proof on gen 1 and 2 being canon?
Proof on the anime being on the same canon?
How about products that arent the game or anime?

>>28927666
>Pretty much this except that

>Xy,oras,aola,anime are still the same universe steven mentioned alain in oras.
>what is a cross canon reference

>>28928884
>steven mentioned alain in oras
Gary was there first! Back in gen1.

>>28928884
>Proof on non rse games being separated from gen 6?
oras post game: zinnia said that some universes might not have mega universes in it.
means rse didn't happen in the same world oras did.

>Proof on gen 1 and 2 being canon?
what about pokemon from gen 1 now being transferable to the main game?

>Proof on the anime being on the same canon?

Ash greninja

>How about products that arent the game or anime?
you mean like the manga? Since the game decides what is official and since the name Ash is in it. the mangas ain't canon until they gonna be mentionned.

>>28926955
>>28927527
The canon timeline is:

r/b/g/y/fr/lg = r/s/e/or/as > g/s/c/hg/ss = d/p/pt > (b > b2)/(/w > w2) > x/y > s/m

Since only one version occurred, there are theoretically 5*5*5*3*2*2*2*2=3000 distinct timelines.

ORAS is a difficult case, because it tries to build upon the XY lore. Does this mean that XY can't occur in a timeline with R/S/E? I could understand that, but we'll probably never know for sure if a version of the events of XY took place.

The anime mostly isn't canon to the games, but there are references to it, which means a couple of non-conflicting parts of it are.

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>caring about what's canon in pokemon

>>28926955
Take your autism back to r/pokemon

>>28929210
This autistic kid knows his shit but still caring about the pokemon lore which not even the devs give a fuck about anymore is pretty sad and you should feep bad.

>>28929210
>Ash greninja
Not conformation, the anime timeline also doesn't fit with the game timeline.

>>28929497
> ash greninja
> no confirmation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciqAkdXQ9dw

watch the full trailer son

>>28930152
He meant it's not confirmation of a canon connection.

>>28930181
Ash-greninja is in the game and playable in the main game. Which means ash exists in the game universe. Therefore canon.

>>28930221
And Jessie and James were in Yellow, but they never showed up ever again.

We also don't know what the context for Ash-Greninja's appearance is. Maybe it pops out of a Hoopa portal.

>>28930221
>Which means ash exists in the game universe.
Except for the fact that even in the anime it's a pure coincidence that it looks like Ash as one existed generations ago that looked exactly like it. Not to mention the anime timeline STILL doesn't fit with the game timeline.

>>28930181
But ash pokemon is in the game...
It literally is named after the said trainer.

>>28926955
Origin Giratina was anime-only before Platinum got revealed, so Platinum isn't canon as well.

>>28930268
So? Not all the games in the series fit each other in the timeline that doesnt mean they arent canon.

>>28930221
Which means the timeline is complete bullshit and nonsensical given the immense differences between the anime world and the games' world.

>>28930335
no its just means the anime is in a different timeline. It was never suspected to be canon before because it was never linked with the main games.

>>28930319
>Not all the games in the series fit each other in the timeline
Except they do.
It's
Kanto/Hoenn > Johto/Sinnoh > Unova > Unova2/Kalos > Alola
In the anime it's
Kanto > Johto > Hoenn > Sinnoh > Unova > Kalos > Alola
With a whole bunch of messed up ages and what not.

You'd have to do some major restructuring of events and heavy retconnning if you were to fit the anime in to the game's canon.

>>28930319
It's not that it's not canon. It's that it's its own canon completely separate from the game.

>>28930298
Origin Giratina was revealed before the movie.

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>>28930406
no they don't Oras/xy doesn't fit with the other games there were no mention of mega pokemons.Its not a retcon either. In the delta episode we get to know that pokemon world operates on different parallel universes wher ein one mega exists and othe not.
Just because ash grneinja is froma demo doesn't make it non canon since you can play it in the main game which connects anime world to the game world.

>>28930505
You realize that immediately after Zinnia says this everyone calls her crazy, right?

>>28926955
there is no canon or non-canon, there are just 2 separate canons. wtf

>>28930505
>no they don't Oras/xy doesn't fit with the other games
That would make every reference and mention to other games and a whole variety of things make no sense at all. In any case it's already a fact that those events happened in the Mega verse in some way.

One of the key things cementing that is the NPC that mentions Plasma in XY as well as the painting of the Gen 4 frontier.

>>28930570
you realize that the ancient wise tribalist having an idea that gets called crazy but is then true in the end is a trope right

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>>28930570
>>28930592
>going against in game facts
wew lads.
> In any case it's already a fact that those events happened in the Mega verse in some way.

that was the whole point behind this series.

>>28930701
You do realise your post adds nothing constructive to this conversation right?

>>28930820
>You do realise your post adds nothing constructive to this conversation right?
lierally (you)

>>28926955
How do you piss yourself this bad

>>28930872
Well duh.

>>28930820
if you the same anon who said this >>28930570
you should keep your mouth shut.

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>>28926955

everyone shut your mouth and watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxWd7X5JJw

the true canon ^

>>28931132
>Gen 1 and two are canon
Stopped reading there, he fucked up.

Friendly reminder that pokemon are noncannon

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>>28931262
>gen 1 mons now being able to be transferable via pokemon bank
>old school pokemon linked with the rest of the games
where were you when you got exposed son

>>28931461
The same place you were when you realised a connection doesn't make something canon.
Just look at the GC games.