Is there anything like this for Pokémon?

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>>28889895
D E E P E S T L O R E

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not really

just start with whatever console you have and choose the ones that interest you. flowcharts only work for music

>>28889939
STOP POSTING THIS IMAGE

STOP

>>28889957
yeah there are a few mistakes in it the chart but still its perfectly fine for showing what games are for each console without managing to miss any important games

>>28889969
Yeah you can just crop out the "Gen" bar on the side and BAM it's a chart of what pokemon games are on what system

>>28889895
Pokemon is more like "Just buy the latest for your console if you dont want an imcomplete game, they are all pretty much the same shit anyway"

>>28889975
Except LeafGreen. Apparently it doesn't exist.

>>28889992
>LeafGreen
Pshh, as if they would ever remake the originals.

>>28889992
you mean AquaBlue?

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>>28889895
>Dyna Blade and Revenge of Meta Knight were awesome! = Squeak Squad??

>>28890026
I think it refers to the Halberd 'sections' in Squeak Squad.

Don't have any idea about Dyna Blade though.

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>>28889975
bam

>>28890040
Probably because they couldn't come up with a decent reason to recommend Squeak Squad.

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>>28890095
>Forgettable Music and abilities
>Meh Visuals
>Cramped feeling levels

Squeak Squad was really meh.

>>28890051
Still no LeafGreen

>>28890137
I dunno I liked it enough to 100% it. I love Animal Kirby and Magic Kirby.

>tfw enjoyed every Kirby game I played
Does this series play it too safe? I can't really say anything bad about it, it's just so good.

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>>28889895
But the Kirby franchise doesn't need to be broken down like this, it's fucking kirby. Unless you're referring to lore of course...

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>>28890205
Animal and Magic were nice. Bubble was sorta felt tacked on because of the bottom screen mechanic. Steel was pure shit, though.

Hopefully they'll pull a Jet and Mirror with Magic and Animal.

>>28890232
I wouldn't say Kirby plays it TOO safe. HAL is good at experimenting with Kirby, but still can delivering a solid, quality game.

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>>28890026
>>28890040
Maybe comparing the layout to the Dyna Blade story?
From some random Kirby wiki:
>Similarly to Milky Way Wishes, Dyna Blade features a map that enables the player to select a stage; however, this game's map allows for less free navigation, restricting Kirby's movements to a number of predefined paths instead.

Also
>Not having Nightmare in Dreamland on the list
>Comparing it to the game it remade when it added abilities
It was my first Kirby game, so of course it has a special place in my heart.

>>28890273
>>Similarly to Milky Way Wishes, Dyna Blade features a map that enables the player to select a stage; however, this game's map allows for less free navigation, restricting Kirby's movements to a number of predefined paths instead.
>Squeak Squad has a very similar map system

OHHHHHHH

>>28890051
it's missing LeafGreen

and GS were playable on the original game boy

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>>28890784
W-what?

>>28889895
All mainline Pokémon games are exactly the same so that kind of chart wouldn't work.

>>28890232
Kirby and Donkey Kong Country are the most consistent video game franchises of all time

>>28890051
Now make Leaf Green exist and use the real boxart for B2W2

>>28890824
But they have some noticeable differences, for example in the pacing, animations, music, difficulty, etc.

I vote for X/Y or Leaf Green/Fire Red as entry points.
X/Y because it allows for a newcomer to know all current Pokemon as for today. Leaf Green/Fire Red because it's a stylized Red/Blue.

Then, if they want a more comfy game, would lead to Gold/Silver or Crystal; or Heart Gold/Soul Silver

If they want a completely different experience with totally new mons, Black & White, I don't know.

>>28890784
Hell yeah Daytona

>>28890051
Silver/Gold weren't GB Color exclusive.

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>>28890051
Here's a better one

>>28892709
Why is Pearl the only game down on a second row like that? Fix that shit.

>>28890385
>>28890884
G/S were designed for the GBC though. You're missing out if you play it on a regular Gameboy.

Best game to start with isn't even on the chart.

>>28892735
>Implying Classic would be better to start with than Ultra


ebin

>>28890273
Nightmare in dreamland is a remake of adventure dude

just play in release order

You should do this for 99% of all video game series.

>>28892778
No that's the worst idea especially for Pokemon.

>>28890137
I thought beating down on the squeak squad when they came for your shit was satisfying as fuck. It was pretty average overall though.

>>28889895
I'll never understand why this chart always recommends you start with Super Star Ultra but there's no direct line straight to the games that most heavily follow Super Star's style. Why do you have to play Kirby 64 first to realize you want to play RtDL because it's like SSU? Just put a Give Me More line straight from Super Star Ultra to Return to Dream Land. And I know the story isn't that important in Kirby games, but the order this sends you in with regards to the Dark Matter games is fucked up.

>>28892783
Faggot

>>28892852
>unironically telling people to start with gen 1
>the most unappealing game
Gens 1 and 2 are so incredibly outdated it's hard for anyone new to get into them.

>>28892887
Gen I games are only outdated if you played the other games before, what you clearly did because you weren't alive before 9/11

>>28892928
>Gen I games are only outdated if you played the other games before
Ironically the only reason you wouldn't find it outdated is if you haven't played other RPGs before it. That just goes to show how young you are if you think they stood the test of time.

>>28892967
They are fine, they are the best sold pokemon games for a reason.

>>28892709
I wanna argue with this picture but I really can't

You can easily beat any Pokemon game just by overleveling a single Pokemon. It's not like Gen I game being outdated makes them more difficult or hard to play.

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>>28892709
>the golden era

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>28892974
>they are the best sold pokemon games for a reason.
Because Japan needed something to do on those long train journeys and the west was taken in by the anime.
Just a reminder if the other handheld systems at the time had taken off as well as the GB pokemon wouldn't have been as successful.

>>28892967
> Ironically the only reason you wouldn't find it outdated is if you haven't played other RPGs before it
Huh, I've played many other RPGs and I still don't find Gen I games outdated. If you want outdated GameBoy RPGs, take Final Fantasy Legend for example.

>>28893031
>Huh, I've played many other RPGs and I still don't find Gen I games outdated.
I have my doubts about that you have. Gen 1 is more archaic than most SNES RPGs.

>>28892709
>remake
>not nostalgia pandering

>>28892709
>Emerald
>Stale
If you're gonna put Platinum in "The Golden Era", you ought to bump up Emerald too. Even if it kinda breaks the order-of-release pattern, it's not really fair to say Emerald is on the same level as RS, DP, and FRLG.

Also I wanna say you're wrong about Sun and Moon being nostalgia pandering, since they're not out yet, but what with Niggoak and Mimikkyu and such, you're probably right.

>>28893088
The only remake to solely pander to nostalgia was HGSS. FRLG was made because we needed a way to access the pokemon lost by the hardware change. ORAS was made to have the other half of the Dexnav that wasn't in XY.

>>28893100
Emerald wasn't very good

also how are alolan forms not pandering? They're literally touching up old designs

>>28893100
There should be a "neo" era for gen 3 in all honesty. It did change the formula from the previous two gens after all.

>>28893110
You know, I completely forgot about the Alolan formes, too.

I still have hope for it, but all this pandering is a pretty bad sign so far.

>>28893110
>Emerald wasn't very good
Nor was Plat but Sinnohfetuses still praise it for things done better in other gens. What's your point?

>>28893126
>plat wasn't good
>decent story
>added on distortion world was a great change
>great tracks like giratina theme and frontier brain themes
>83 on metacritc Emerald is at 76

hmmm

>>28893047
Because maybe you should compare RPGs from the same console? The SNES had more power so of course you were able to do more stuff with it.

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>>28893142
>metacritic

>>28893159
You do realise that power doesn't affect mechanics right?

>>28892709

The "golden era" should really be called "the even more stale area"
Hence why Nostalgia pandering now tries to bring everyone back

>>28893142
>>added on distortion world was a great change
You mean a colossal waste of time. There was no reason for it beyond artificially extending the game.

>>28893198
So it should be something like
>original
>neo
>stale
>pandering

>>28893204
I can say that about Sky pillar

and thats why they gutted the fuck out of it in oras

>>28893209
The difference there being it didn't force you to go slow especially in Emerald. That and there was something beyond the legend in there to break up the monotony.

Want to try that one again anon?

>>28893142
>Emerald wasn't good
>decent story
>added Magma Hideout, Mirage Tower, Navel Rock, Birth Island, Faraway Island, Expanded Safari Zone, and more locations
>great tracks like the Frontier Brain theme
I can do this too.

>>28893204
>There was no reason for it beyond artificially extending the game.
Then I guess you should just get to the final boss at the beginning of your adventure

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>>28893243
What that doesn't even make fucking sense, it wasn't interesting it was a shitty gimmick tower and thats why it was gutted in oras

distortion world was actually interesting in finding out that the distortion world goes with giratina

Hoennbabs like you that press A through in entire game are fucking it up for the rest of us

>>28893253
Or maybe, just maybe, they should have used the dungeon they already had for it instead of fluffing the game up with a gimmick.

>>28893251
>when the frontier brain track was so shit they didn't even bring the battle frontier back in oras

they actually brought back the good battle frontier in HGSS

>>28893257
>distortion world was actually interesting in finding out that the distortion world goes with giratina
So you agree that the actual area was a complete and utter waste.

>>28893265
>frontier brain track was so shit
It's in ORAS. The frontier might not be in, but the theme is still in.

>>28893265
But the Emerald frontier was only in Emerald.
Also if it were the good one no one would have gotten pissed because of it.

>>28893269
adding in mechanics like walking on walls, hopping, objects appearing in and out of reality was a really fucking cool experience for me and my friends

Some of us actually like having different types of places to explore that isnt the ocean hoennbab

if you want a linear experience where you go from point A to B in a straight line with literally no obstacles try X and Y

>>28893293
Not him, but you make the Distortion World sound like a glorified test area for Gamefreak attempt at 3D.

>>28893301
of course its a fucking test area. They testing out the technology
'
X and Y was a whole test game, thats why it was short as fuck and had 0 thing s to do when you beat it

They had the means to try it out and it was cool for a change.

I understand its a puzzle and that takes a little brain power but I promise you its not a bad thing to include in a video game

>>28893321
The problem is, you make it out to be some kind of golden feature that's indicative of Platinum.

I hardly remember it as anything but a winded, albeit, cool maze that led to Giratina.

But besides the navigation, there's nothing to make it stand out aside from the graphics. No wild Pokemon (which is unfortunate, but makes sense in lore), and all.

Also, you say XY had no post game even though it had the Gym Leader Rematches in the Chateau? Oh and the Chatelaines.

Honestly, besides fixing the entirety of Vanilla DP, what did Platinum add?

Distortion World, catchable Regis aside from the trio master, gym leader rematches, and the Battle Frontier.

Emerald has about the same amount of content, if not maybe a little more, and that's probably because sprites are easier to work with instead of a 3D Engine.

It took them 5 games to get pseudo 3D to function fast with BW. Gen IV's a bit sluggish, which is a shame, since Sinnoh is a very neat region, but very tedious to go around in.

>>28893391
>catchable Regis aside from the trio master
Weren't these like event exclusive too? Like you needed an event gigas or something

>>28893293
Oh, so you're a child who's easily amused by flashing lights and graphics rather than some kind of substance.

>>28893419
Yes, but I don't think there's a point in gimping Platinum, for what it has to offer.

I'm just saying to the guy that Emerald has about has much new content as Platinum, maybe even moreso.

>>28893293
>Some of us actually like having different types of places to explore that isnt the ocean hoennbab
Dude, there's like, nothing there to explore. All there is is giratina and the orb. That's it.

>>28893321
>I understand its a puzzle and that takes a little brain power
It's literally just a straight line to giratina. The flare base was more of a puzzle tycoon's the distortions world was.

>>28893451
>tycoon's
Damn phone
Than*

>>28889895
>Kirby's Adventure
why not Nightmare in Dream Land?

>>28893476
Check the notes in the bottom left.

>>28892709
Original Era - Gen 1

Stale era - Gen 2

First innovative era - Gen 3

Stale era again - Gen 4

Second Innovative era - Gen 5

Nostalgia Pandering so Hard it goes beyond stale - Gen 6

>>28893547
This works

>>28893547
Actually call gen 2 the degradation era and make 4 the sole stale era.

>>28893547
Golden Era - Gen 1

Shit Era - Gens 2-6

>>28890026
It had a similar world map style with short levels.

>>28889895
As much as I like Super Star DL3 is my favourite.
One for zero and two for that artstyle.

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What would their teams be?

>>28893668 (you)

>>28893711
>human

>>28889957
"wait why? It's just a gen cha-" >>28889939
wtf why would games in the same gen not be compatable? I get the chart is for the machine it runs on but damnthat need to get changed in wording to prevent fights but that's probably what you want

>>28893547
I wouldn't call gen 2 a stale era. It added a fuckton of very important game mechanics and stuff to do beyond just going on with the story mode. It was more of an improvement gen than a stale gen.

>>28893745
It was created as a bait image to begin with

>>28893749
It was pretty stale. After all new mechanics don't matter if the content, appearance and progression are near identical to the last.

>>28893760
That's why it's an improvement gen. It didn't do much that looked very new. But it practically invented exploration in pokemon and fixed a lot that was wrong in the previous games. Gen 1 was the buggy incomplete prototype, gen 2 was the proper game.

>>28893776
I'd say gen 1 is the alpha, 2 the beta and 3 the finished product seeing as they haven't made any major changes since they restructured the game in 3.

Okay cunts let's make this image for pokemon. Paintfag get in here

What game do we start at?

Or just branch the games to each other without a start point

>>28893890
BW2

>>28893895
No way that's the starting point.

I'd see that as a "I want completely new pokemon to choose from / harder difficulty"

Yes I know it's not hard, but for infograph purposes

>>28889992
Fire Red should be kicked off that list too.

In my opinion the most appropriate way to play them is to choose a game from each generation and go through them in the order in which they came out. Personally I like third versions the most, which include B2W2. But that's an exception in which playing the original BW makes the experience better.

>>28893910
That's more like black and white. BW2 is pretty much the best of everything.

>>28893943
+ And you could play remakes once you're done with the main game from which generation it comes from.

>>28893956
>playing remakes after
Nah, you may as well just start with the remakes.
Unlike Kirby where it's debatable whether or not NiD is better than Adventure the pokemon remakes are objectively better than their originals. The only exception being ORAS and Emerald where the two are different enough to provide a different experience.

>>28893711
What's this from?

>>28893711
Wait who's the first one?

>>28889939
>>28890051
I wonder if there really are people who believe this ?

>>28893910
X/Y shoyld be the starting point - you can go for increased difficulty, more exploration, more lore, etc. X/Y is basically the most vanilla experience, so it's a good jumping off point to find what someone really wants.

>>28894017
That's a good point actually.

>>28894017
Yeah I think xy should be the start as it's the current gen on the current console, has decent gen 1 pandering, isn't too difficult and indeed a good entry point.
Then you could branch off to oras for a "samey" experience (same engine, mechanics, difficulty etc)

>>28893984
Um well, they are remakes for a reason, and original games were made to fit what they felt was a good idea at the time. I much prefer the original games over their remakes.

>>28894052
>I much prefer the original games over their remakes.
That doesn't mean there's any reason to play the originals you know at the most they should be secondary or mentioned in notes like the Kirby one.

>>28894017
At the same time ORAS has a bit of everything from each generation so that could be an equally good branching point.

>>28894100
I don't really care for Kirby, but the thing with Pokémon is it has a vast amount of mechanics that evolve within the introduction of a new generation, so it feels off playing a remake instead of the game that is played the original way it was created. Just the way I see it.

>>28894142
Oh I see, so it's nostalgia.

>>28892990
who?

>>28894142
> It's better to play the broken Gen I games rather than the remakes

>>28890784
didn't know you posted here, pal

>>28889939
Nah man.

For Kirby, you ALWAYS START WITH SUPER STAR.

For Pokemon, you ALWAYS START WITH HEART GOLD/SOUL SILVER.

It's the LAW.

>>28894804
>For Pokemon, you ALWAYS START WITH HEART GOLD/SOUL SILVER.
No.

In any case is anyone actually working on this?

>>28894804
Why would you start with remakes lf the worst games?

>>28894856
>Implying it'd fit /vp/ is it wasn't just 'start with my favorite' 'if you want to have less fun try all these other games'

>>28894875
(You)

>>28894804
You start with FTLG or XY

>>28894175
Literally no. I'm not a particularly nostalgic person, I just enjoy original mechanics. I'm not saying they're just as good as current ones, but I appreciate them.

>>28894727
They're only broken in comparison. They laid the foundation for what pokémon games are today, without them you wouldn't have all your precious advanced mechanics. You can play remakes all you want, but they're in no way the origin of the games for what they are today.

>>28894875
>implying XY was already remade

>>28894954
I fucking hate the nostalgia non-argument. The mechanic changes fundamentally change how you interact with the games. You don't get to use a triple elemental punch Alakazam for coverage in the current gens. The lack of certain items also change how you approach battles and stuff.

>>28894954
>Literally no.
What else could it be?
The originals are objectively inferior to the remakes in every way mechanically and visually.
The only reason you would prefer them is if you have nostalgia over the sprites and chiptunes hell the original games are even easier.

>>28894984
>You don't get to use a triple elemental punch Alakazam for coverage in the current gens.
Except you can anon. You can use whatever you want in main game runs, it's always been like that.

>>28894954
>They're only broken in comparison.
They're broken for games made in 1996. If you ever touched an RPG prior to or an RPG on the same system, despite the lack of them, Pokemon will still come out on the bottom.

There's no reason to play the older games.

>>28894017
I think FRLG works too and makes more sense since it's an earlier entry and the player wont be disappointed in going backwards (sort of) feature-wise.

>>28894804
Calm down there pal.I started with Kirby's return to dreamland and it didn't really change much for me.Everyone can experience the franchise however they want.Or watch Kirby right bact at ya.That's their choice.

>>28893711
???
Marx
??? (Maglor?)
Sectoina
Haltman

Why would you start on super star

it's bad

>>28895791
t. contrarian

>>28895791
Anon,my first experience with Kirby was Kirby Right Bact At Ya.This cartoon had some very bizarre shitThe best thing about it was Meta Knight sounded like mexican James from team rocket

>>28895828
Back at Ya was shit but they picked some great voices.

>>28895837
I like the fact that Nightmare(?) made an apperance and they've thrown bits and pieces of lore in it too,such as Galaxia being semi-sentient.

>Start with FRLG

>Want more primitive?
>RBY

>Want more unique?
>RSE

>Want next in the story?
>HGSS

Then narrow it down from there

>>28893031
I honestly can't compare the battle mechanics of Pokémon to other RPGs just because each gen continues to fix/update the formula and not overwrite it with an ATB bar.
I started in gen 1 and going back to it today, it's more inconvenient than it is outdated.

>>28898166
>Every RPG is ATB