Who would win?

The higher res one

>>28842202
Mega ray and both mewtwos are the most powerful megas.

>>28842202
I would.

Mega Fug

>>28842202
The one with 180 base attacks that can use hold items

>>28842202
super ultra mega fug

>>28842350
Even if mega kanga is using rock tomb and gets a fake out?

>>28842411
Mega Fug has its Flying weaknesses covered with its ability.

Whereas Mega Kanga can't do shit against one or two Dragon Ascent.

>>28842477
Fake out + outrage would kill fug

>>28842807
But Fug outspeeds Khan, and who the fuck runs Outrage on anything non-Dragon? Maybe Ice Punch but I don't remember if the thing gets it

>>28842912
If fug gets hit by rock tomb itll be slow enough for khan to outspeed. And kill fug with outrage. Although that would be a wierd moveset to run because mega mom usually uses earthquake for its for damage.

Counter Mom will be a thing in gen 7

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>>28842202
hurr i wonder

why even ask?

>>28842973
Fug still outspeeds prior and after Mega Evolution, only thing Khan can wish to accomplish is to ge off a Fake Out
Khan would have to be running some weird ass set like Adamant 252 HP/252 Attack with Rock Tomb and Ice Punch to win

fug resists power up punch

>>28843036
So Mega Kanga wins. Fake Out + Return kills Rayquaza unless they both get minimum rolls. Assuming they get middle rolls, Kangaskhan wins.

>>28842202
Fug

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>>28843085
not now

>>28843085
Not if Fug is running Life Orb

>>28843159
>>28843165
You can't just change sets you need to go with the top one on the list or the most popular one. Everyone knows most popular Rayquaza is Lum Berry.

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>>28843159
Now

>>28843191
Literally where

Also extreme speed

>>28843191
If you were playing 6v6, that would be the most popular set, but if it were 1v1, no reason not to run LO or CB, and the argument is irrelevant in a 6v6 setting because you have 5 other mons backing each of them up so fake out wouldn't necessarily be a factor, and khan could always catch it on the switch, so either could win in that setting, but 1v1 khan gets BTFO

>>28843191
>this much in denial

>>28843212
On Showdown. And on VGC if you saw VGC they basically all held Lum Berry. Probably why smogon has that set at the top of the list of sets. Also what would Extreemespeed do.

Turn 1
Kangaskhan Fake Out, Rayquaza Flinched

Turn 2
Rayquaza does whatever, it doesn't kill, Kangaskhan uses Return, Rayquaza fainted.

>>28843243
You always have to use the most popular. Making sets specifically for defeating the other pokemon makes it all pointless.

>>28843253
Return only kills if kanga gets good rolls. Otherwise it would need to hit 4 times with return to kill.

>>28843253
If we're going with meme excuses then Rayquaza runs Protect in VGC, so no Fake Out

>>28843277
Only if it gets medium rolls you mean. You should assume it gets the medium rolls.

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This thread is a trainwreck.

>>28842202
If Mega Khan could beat Mega Fug, it'd be AG instead of Mega Fug

I haven't been made this angry in a single thread anon like....
Ever

>>28843294
Why would you use VGC when this isn't a double battle. You should go with smogon.

>>28843274
>You always have to use the most popular. Making sets specifically for defeating the other pokemon makes it all pointless.
the meta game in which that set is the most popular doesn't reveal anything about who wins the matchup. A 1v1 metagame would have entirely different most popular sets, and mega ray w/ life orb would certainly be a contender for most popular

1v1, m-ray beats m-khan

>>28843366
In some retardedly obscure case using the non-most popular set it beats Mega Kangaskhan. Like Magikarp can beat a Ho-Oh that only knows Leer. But using the most popular sets like you're supposed to, Mega Kangaskhan wins.

>>28843274
>You always have to use the most popular.
If you're a faggot yeah, also how is switching Lum Berry for Life Orb making a set exclusively for beating Khan? It's not like you're running mixed with Focus Blast while holding a Chilan Berry

>>28843456
Someone posted the most popular sets and now they/someone else want to change it because Kangaskhan wins. Want to change it specifically for Kangaskhan. Can't do that. Kangaskhan wins end of story.

>>28843429
However, there isn't a Magikarp set that can beat every single possible variation of Ho-Oh. Mega Fug has several sets that can beat every possible variation of Megamom.

>>28843429
a 1v1 situation IS a retardedly obscure situation

the reason it doesn't run life orb most of the time is because it's in an environment where it doesn't need to worry about netting an OHKO on m-khan. So if you go by most popular sets, Shedinja beats the fuck out of M-khan, and gengar, and whatever else. It doesn't make sense to restrict pokemon to their most popular sets from other metas to settle who wins in a 1v1 slugfest. That's just denial when you put those ridiculous restraints to justify what you want rather than what is

>>28843520
But it's not the most popular set so it doesn't matter.

>>28843528
How would Shedinja do that when Kangaskhan has Sucker Punch and most Shedinja don't carry toxic, in PU anyway, don't know what they carry in Ubers. Anyway you always have to use the most popular sets or else most of the time it would just be a back and forth saying well what if this pokemon had this and then countering but what if this had this. So you just have to use the most popular one.

>>28843587
Oh well they carry will-o-wisp so yea they would beat a Kangaskhan one on one. Unless Kangaskhan had some stupid set specifically for it, but thats not how you pick who would win.

>>28843519
>Khan wins because I say so
We're talking 1v1 dumbass, not a full 6v6 on your "le poorfag simulator", why would anyone run Lum Berry over Life Orb in a situation like that? What is Khan gonna do, run Dizzy Punch? If you wanna keep your Lumeme Berry you gotta make it a full 6v6 and doing so would factor in countless other things, so fuck off already

>>28843587
Most shedinja carry will-o

and you're acting like the most popular sets are something inherent, when it's reactive. In a meta where netting that extra damage matters, then obviously a new set will become the most popular. And it's not like LO isn't a set, just less popular than lum because there's not a good answer to status for Mray so it's more popular, but you will NEVER see defense creeping M-kangas in ANY tier

>>28843607
>that's not how you pick who would win
Then how would you pick who would win? This is retarded, Pokemon can have variable movesets and stat distributions. You're telling me to pit these two Pokemon against each other and NOT modify them so they have the best chance of success at beating the other?

In that case Shedinja beats M-Kang 100% of the time. Done, Shedinja is the best.

>>28843629
>Khan wins because I say so
It wins because using the most popular sets like you're supposed to, it beats Rayquaza. Don't be mad, just whenever you're in a situation where you're 1 on 1 with a Kangaskhan against your Rayquaza, know you better switch out before you get destroyed.

>>28843678
>like you're supposed to
because you say so?

>>28843678
>like you're supposed to
wat
says who?

>>28843669
How is Shedinja the best just because it can beat Mega Kangaskhan, Pokemon is a game where everything is supposed to be beatable. Nothing is the best, there is always a Pokemon that can counter it. I mean one on one, Golduck can beat Primal Groudon, but Golduck is obviously not the best. Neither is Shedinja but it will beat Mega Kangaskhan one on one. No you can't change sets because most of the time it would just be back and forth trying to counter what the other person made up to counter. You have to use the most popular set.

>>28843678
>like you're supposed to
Just because you are unable to think for yourself doesn't mean everyone else's an autist like you, I run a fucking White Herb for V-Create and Dragon Ascent

>>28843681
>>28843705
What logic dictates. Obviously the person who posted the image agrees which is why they posted it.

>>28843712
Why do we have to use the most popular set? Because you're an autist who can't handle anything else?

Maybe we should just variable sets and figure out if each mon has a way to counter that set. If it ultimately can't then it loses.

>>28843727
>what logic dictates
there is no logic here, it's just someone saying "you have to use this because I said so"

>>28843727
logic dictates you use the set most viable for the environment, and for some reason you can't wrap your narrow-minded head around the fact that this environment isn't using fucking lum berry

>>28843739
>>28843746
>>28843753

You have to use it because like I said it would just be back and forth most of the time. Like I was in a thread where it was Machamp vs Conkeldurr and that's what happened. And it happens all the time. It's stupid to try and make up sets people don't use for the purpose of this. You have to use the most popular set. For a match up that would logically happen.

>>28843727
>What logic dictates.
God, you must be some fedora like that one Arcanine guy on Showdown
Rayquaza has no need to fear for any kind of crippling coming from Kangaskhan, so "logic dictates" you would run Life Orb instead of wasting the item slot on a Lum Berry that's never going to be used

>>28843784
I think we need to start over from point 1 and define some shit

What question are we actually arguing over?

>>28843784
>"It's stupid to try and make up sets people don't use for the purpose of this."
>There's literally 2 Life Orb sets and a Choice Band one on Smogon

>>28843818
But its not the most popular set. You only want to change to that to beat Kangaskhan specifically. Can't do that. Kangaskhan wins.

>>28843784
If you're talking about logic than the match-up would never happen in AG. Logic has no meaning here, you're just enforcing an arbitrary restriction because you think it's too much trouble to actually find an M-Ray set that can obliterate everything Kang has to offer.

>>28843788
Everyone runs Lum Berry. Hence it's the most popular set.

How did the Fug thing start?

>>28843830
Why can't you do that though? Pokemon use different sets. If everybody used the most popular set then usage statistics would indicate that, but they don't. Usage of that set isn't 100%, so there's other sets. Hence, we can use other sets. There aren't any set restrictions in AG.

>>28843831
The restriction is the only logical way to handle these "who would win" arguments. Or else in a lot of cases, there would be no winner, because one set could beat another but then another set could beat that new set and so on forever.

>>28843841
How can you say that, sweepercalc doesn't even track AG usage. It's literally just the first set on smogon, you don't know what garbage sees use in AG

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>using a mega legendary competitively

What kind of pussy does this?

>>28843862
I've already stated why. So now let's just say, most of the time, a Kangaskhan running into a Rayquaza on AG, the Kangaskhan wins. So Kangaskhan wins the thread.

>>28843845
Rayquaza in German starts with fug

>>28843878
Here ya go famalam
http://www.smogon.com/stats/2016-08/moveset/anythinggoes-0.txt
>Rayquaza-Mega
>Life Orb: 20.363%
> EV spread: Adamant:0/252/0/0/4/252 13.487%
>M-Kang
>Ev spread: Jolly:0/252/0/0/4/252 28.550%
Done, Mega Fug whens.

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>>28843885
A couple of people

>>28843895
That's... not quite how it works in AG considering you have a full team backing you up.

>>28843935
I see a bunch of pussies there wow

At least they are competing against other pussies instead of slinging that shit onto everyone else.

I'm semi-joking.

In a 1v1 preparing for one another Kangaskhan really can't beat Ray unless it runs 252 HP/252 Def and Counter. I think CB dragon ascent is too much for kang in any other eventuality. Then it comes down to mind games, khang would run fake out, return, counter and substitute and mega ray would run protect,
Dragon ascent and a special move like d-meteor or d-pulse. Ray has to decide between protecting or attacking turn one and kang has to decide between subbing or using fake out, from there ray can predict counter and boost or predict return and attack. It's pretty much a 50/50 with those sets. Not sure about Draco meteor vs 252 HP/252 Def,

>have been wondering why the fuck people have started mentioning Rock Tomb recently
>it turns out the move got buffed the fuck out in Gen VI
slowpoke.7z (3 GB)

>>28843935
That's... literally the same 6 pokémon all around. How can anyone have fun like that?

This thread reminded me just how retarded smogonites are.

>>28843274
>moving the goalposts

Why even ask the question then? It's literally just a question of looking up the most popular set and plugging it into a damage calculator.

Its not as if LO fug is an unviable or even uncommon set I think, not as unlikely as Rock Tomb/Ice Punch as was mentioned earlier.

>>28842326
Mega Mewtwos are barely better than the original.

>>28846695
so? the original alone is ridiculous strong.
Mewtwo Y is so fucking fast and has ridiculous spatt with a awesome huge movepool dude.
gid gud

>>28843678
>like you're supposed to
No one supposed that at all even once.

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Mega Fug using Z-Move

>>28843159
>Life orb
>Mega

Pick one.

>>28848476
>not understanding why Fug is literally banned from the ban list tier

autism

>>28848476
2014 called.

>>28848476
>>28848547
>>28845573
>implying /vp/ shitposters actually play Pokemon
All they do is shitpost about how their favorite bro is either neglected or the best

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>>28848476
>he doesn't know

>>28848649
To be honest i didnt know until this thread. I always assumed mega rayquaza was like other megas and unable to hold items because its a mega.

>>28848713
So you don't actually play the game but spew your autistic arguments regardless, since if you played it you would have known, kill yourself.

>>28848713
How the fuck did you not know? Did you play ORAS?

>>28848728
Uh i have oras i just caught mega fug and never used it. Not that anon you were talking to about items.

>>28843831
>you're just enforcing an arbitrary restriction because you think it's too much trouble to actually find an M-Ray set that can obliterate everything Kang has to offer.
Bulky Specs with Draco Meteor.

>>28843332
Any Mega can beat Mega Fug if things work in your favour.

>>28844152
Namefag, stop trying

Defensively IV/EV the Mom with Fake Out and Seismic Toss ez

>>28842202
Mega Rayquaza not only deals more damage and has better speed and defenses, but can also equip a Life Orb, a Choice Band or a Leftovers.

>>28843036
>Lum Berry

>>28843253
They have Lum Berry because they don't have to go against Kanga and instead have to counter status shit.

In any contest where you have to output the most damage, you'd use Life Orb.

Espeed would do shit since it's still slower then Fake Out.

>>28844152
Theyre not pokemon fans, theyre faggots trying to seem superior.

Mega kangashan shpuld be banned.

>>28843935
The 6th guy have all my respect for not using pdon and mega-kangashkan.

>>28843901
>autist arguing for Lum no where to be found

>>28845573
LO fug is most common fug

>>28843935
I wonder what that Lilligant tried doing.

>>28850262
Doubles speed in sun with sleep powder

>>28848815
I'm not trying. Because if I did, I would end up going against pussies that use legendaries against normal pokemons.

Here's how Fug wins every time.

Turn 1
>Fug uses Extremespeed
>Kang uses Fakeout

Turn 2
>Fug uses Dragon Ascent
>Kang Fainted

>>28850468
Fake Out has higher priority than Extremespeed.

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>>28845504
that's the thing fun is completely taken out of the equation it's all about "winning"

>>28847479
Mega Fug won't need an item for Z-Move. Still gets Life Orb.

>>28843253
Idiot ray in VGC runs sash

>le most common sets!

We're pitting these formidable beasts against each other one on one, sine missione. They will of course use the best possible set against this specific foe. Adamant Mega Fug outspeeds Jolly Kangaskhan (both with 252 speed EV's).

But Mega Kanga OHKO's with Outrage. No need for Fake Out. So unless Mega Fug can OHKO it loses with these spreads.

It can. With Life Orb Outrage. Thing is, Kanga will never outspeed so it will invest in Defense. With 4hp252def, it tanks the hit.

So you put a Choice Band on Mega Fug against 4HP/252Def Mega Kanga. It goes 92,7%/109%, its almost a coin toss.

But you invest 252hp252def in Mega Kanga and you can tank the Choice Band Outrage from Mega Fug. And win with minimum rolls from Fake Out+Outrage.

Ofc Mega Fug can go Choice Specs Focus Blast (or even Draco Meteor). So it's hard to speculate. But I give Mega Kanga the edge, since if you turn it into a 50/50 is-it-banded-or-with-specs, if it is running choice specs, it has to use 90% or 70% accuracy moves (Draco/FocusMiss).

A 120hp/252def/136sp def careful mega kanga has ~94%chance of tanking both Choice band Outrage AND choice specs Draco Meteor, forcing mega fug to use Specs Focus Miss.

You could argue Mega Fug tanks Fake Out/Outrage with 120 defense EV's against this Kanga, but he will be locked to a move and Kanga has Sucker Punch priority...

It's a complex problem folks. These too truly are the top of the crop.

>>28851002
>Thing is Kanga will never outspeed so it will invest in defense

Based on this assumption, why have you opted to not give Fug any defensive evs?

>>28851565
Adamant MegaFug literally outspeeds Jolly Kanga by 1 point. I decided to finish the text there, because it will never end. If we invest in such a way FakeOut/Outrage won't kill, there is always sucker punch. If Fug is not locked to a move so it can extremespeed turn 3, it will lose even more health with Life Orb, or have way less power with leftovers (?). Too many variables. And don't get me started on alternatives... Like Haban Berry Mega Fug lel

Actually now I'm thinking of something for Mega Fug. Give me a sec

>>28851861
Did u forget that they actually have to mega first?

>Fug used protect
>Kanga's fake out failed

>Fug used D Ascent
>Kanga used whatever move it wants

>Fug used extreme speed

>>28851889
Actually this is a good point. Fug has to run Timid or Jolly to not get outsped by Megamom turn 1 and die to Outrage

>>28843191

That's not how this works anon.

>>28852435
28hp252def228attack doesnt get ohko'd by Jolly Mega Kanga, and kills with Dragon Ascent/Extremespeed.

>>28842223
I don't know why but everytime i see your tripcode my autism intensifies

>>28852702
Does that factor in LO recoil or no?

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>>28848713
>being retarded

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>>28850182
nigga the 6th guy thought this was last year's VGC

>>28850262
waifubait, literally got chokeslammed with talonflame's dick

>>28842202
Open Pokemon Showdown. Have somebody use one, you use the other. Any legal moves, no 'b-but people don't normally run that moveset!', see who wins the most out of 3 battles.

>>28848766
Don't try and lie your way out of this one because you have to use Ray against Zinnia and Deoxys.

>>28854371
Thats stupid bullshit

>>28854742
Who cares?
It's pokemon.

>>28855154
What i mean is you use ray against deoxys but not zinnia. Where did that come from?