Was the Fairy type a mistake?

>>28838802

Might have been a mistake.

No point in backpedaling now.

nope, some Normal types definately aren't normal type..

>>28838802
Can I tweak it? It's just overpowered as it is right now, it seriously needs some changes to not be obnoxious.

>>28838802
defensively no
offensively it literally just replaced dragon wholesale, hyper voice = draco with no drops, it needs another reasonable resist or two

>>28838873
>defensively no
>resists bug for some fuck-all reason even though bug is already one of the shittier offensive typings
no, make bug SE against it

>>28838802
Wouldn't remove it, but definitely tweak. For starters, I'd make it weak to Bug, Fire, and maybe Psychic to give them a bit of a boost.

>>28838802
Total mistake
Could've been weak to normal types to finally give the type an edge. Instead, they just nerfed types that really didn't need it.

>>28838802
yes

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>>28838923
>fairy weak to fire
>Klefki and Mawile are kill

>>28838932
Fighting-types and Dragon-types kind of needed the nerf, but hitting Dark-types while simultaneously nerfing Bugs even more wasn't necessary.

>>28838802
>Would you remove it if you could?
No. Just it being SE to Fighting types. I don't mind it resisting fighting types but also being SE against them in a generation with Gale Wings and Aerilate seemed a little too much.

>>28838953
Makes sense seeing as Fire resists it.

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>>28838953
>>28838923
Please don't.

>>28838830
Like Chansey and Regigigas.

>>28838802
YES THIS NAZI LAND IS GOOD

No just make it weak to ice and bug

>>28838802
why does it resist bug? Why did they have to fuck bug over more?

Poison and Steel were shit offensively before so that was a good thing. Bug becoming even worse was not.

>>28838873
>bitching about hyper voice
>a non stab normal type move
>it is only fairy type for 5 mons which 2 of them are nfe
>all real dragons have access to draco meteor
ISHYGDDT

>>28838802
Yes.
Make a new type weak to Ice and Bug instead.
You can keep the poison weakness.

>>28839026
this desu

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>>28838996
I don't see him complaining about his x4 weakness to Fire.

>>28838802
Yes.
None of the new fairies save for xerneas are worth a shit.
The type itself is busted and only served to break all the older pokes it was given too.
It has no real definition aside from "cute pink shit"
It resulted in a pretty shitty eeveelution

It's a waste of useless space

>>28839074
That's because he only has one other weakness

No because fuck dragon types.

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>>28839099
Mawile fould also have one other weakness though...

>>28838802
The good ones are just too fucking well made

>>28839036
>steel was shit offensively
>coming off the Bullet Punch+Iron Head+Meteor Mash meta
>proceeded by the Lucario and Excadrill meta

>>28839099
I was meming.

>>28839111
Trips of truth. Fairies confirmed as best decision GF ever made.

>>28838802
steel nerf was a mistake, fairy is ok.

Remove the bug resistance. Make it NVE against grass and bug.

>>28838802
It's too late to remove it, but I definitely expect it to get a new weakness and maybe something else to resist it, OR make dragon NVE against it.

>>28838802
>fairy is super effective against hyper offensive types

>fairy is weak to types which lack an abundance of offensive pokemon

why is this allowed

it shouldn't be strong against dark
dark is like one of the shittiest types among with bug now

>Make fairy weak to ice
>Make ice resist fairy

Fixed.

>>28839730
It's one of the best offensive types neutral stab wise.

>>28839730
Dark type was okay in gen 4 but it went downhill

>Was the Fairy type a mistake?

No. It needs more weaknesses and types resistant to it

I don't mind it but its theming is inconsistent as fuck and they should have re-typed legendaries.

>>28838802
The only mistake was giving it 3 things to be SE against but only 2 weakness.

Yeah, it's cool that poison and steel got a little bit of a buff but Bug and Grass definitely need something.

Fairy being SE against Dark does make sense but, if you take Fairy lore into account, Dark should also be SE against Fairy since most Fairies are easily corrupted. If Dark was considered too strong before that, fine, leave it as is BUT Ghost should have been either SE against Fairy or, at the least, should have resisted the new type.

The strength over Fighting is the somewhat weird thing. I could kind of understand Fairy resisting Fighting but also being SE against it seems like overkill.

>>28838802
is that... usagi drop?
yeaaaah
*pedobrofist*

also no. its a good counter to dragons, and provide nice defensive backups to my waifus.

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Why does it resist bug?

I think it needs tweaks, but the idea of a type immune to Dragon is nice if only to prevent "Press Outrage to Win: The Game".

>>28842050
I get the connection between dark and bug types but I dont get this. Magical girls beat tentacle monsters? Not from my experience.

>>28838923
Psychic resist and SE against it, psychic needs the boost. Remove retarded bug resist, give ice a resist as well, possibly grass too. Otherwise that's enough. You should learn from psychic that there's such a thing as reactionary overnerfing. It has a place and it's not even really that BAD but it could use a nerf. But too many people are trying to nerf it out of anger nonsensically.

>>28838956
Also this.

>>28842176
magical girls DO beat tentable monsters in canon. those monsters are there so later in fanon stuff will happen, but canon>fanon.

>>28841599
>Fairy being SE against Dark does make sense but, if you take Fairy lore into account, Dark should also be SE against Fairy since most Fairies are easily corrupted. If Dark was considered too strong before that, fine, leave it as is BUT Ghost should have been either SE against Fairy or, at the least, should have resisted the new type.
None of these things actually make sense lorewise. Maybe in some more modern fairy fiction but fairies are morally ambigious really, they can't be corrupted because they're not explicitly good. Likewise, ghost being SE makes even less sense because there's nothing to suggest in mythology ghosts have power over fairies but many things suggest fairies have power over ghosts (when they aren't also simultaenously ghosts themselves). It's best they remain neutral.

Once again agreed on fighting. And as for the overall subject, dragon needed the nerf, anyone who doesn't think dragon needed the nerf is out of their mind.

Be weak to bug and it's all good famalam

>>28841599
>The strength over Fighting is the somewhat weird thing. I could kind of understand Fairy resisting Fighting but also being SE against it seems like overkill.
yes, thank you

>>28839122
Also thank you. This is why I say fairy is barely OP, if at all. Steel types are not shit offensively. Poison types could use a bit more though. It's honestly a matter of moves. Give poison some more offensive moves and you don't need to do much of anything. That being said it can afford a nerf if it means giving another type a buff.

It's just too strong. Give it another weakness, and/or one less thing to be SE against.

>>28838864

Dark should have been SE against Fairy. That's really all you need.

>>28842592
Because Dark types aren't OP enough right now, eh?

>>28842592
Magical girls > monsters.
Why is that hard to understand

>>28842592
Yeah because that's balance in Knock Off: The Meta. Don't be dumb.

>>28838802
No, I'm not a melodramatic faggot.

I would remove the bug resistance and that's it.

Nah

>>28838802
Would've been better served as a 'Cosmic' or 'Power' type that included Pokemon like plateless Arceus, Regigigas (maybe dual typed), and the Togepi line, as well as moves like Hyper Beam, Selfdestruct, and Bide that aren't in the same thematic space as Tackle, Pound, etc.

It's already implemented, though, so it's easier to tweak it than replace it entirely.

>>28842727
Tell that to U-Turn.

>>28838802
Buff poison. Better offensive Poison users, and make Poison SE against Water because Water could use the nerf too and it makes Poison more relevant as coverage.

Fairy type got us Sylveon. It has to stay.

>>28838802

No. It's a perfect balance against Dragon-type.

>>28844437

oh god its the poison>waterfags here to improve the meta

it would kill the very flavor of the water type

>>28838802
yes and yes

>>28844437
I agree with buffing Poison, but I'd be satisfied if they just made it SE against Fighting types.
It confounds me that it isn't. Fighting type relies on its body. Poison obviously compromises that.
I mean hell, Poison already gets defensive benefits against Fighting moves doesn't it? Why not go the full way? Makes more sense that way.

Make Poison SE against Normal or Fighting, I like the idea of this >>28844581

>>28838802
Kinda, the idea is good but The typing on which its super effective and not effective don't make any sense.

>>28845016
Although I do hate the fairy typing, and agree that it may be a bit op.
However, The typing super/not effective makes just as much sense as the others.

Super effective:
>At the end of most fairy tales, the evil dragon is slain.
>Fairies are known as creatures who wants peace, Fighting (good) Dark (evil) are constantly at one another, a fairy is that one guy in the middle who tries to split up a fight.

Weaknesses:
>Fairies are pure creatures, poison kinda ruins that.
>And finally, in myths, various metals such as steel is said to be harmful to fairies.

>>28844437
>Poison SE against Water because Water
That makes no sense

>>28838802
It was worth a nice little "you tried" star, but
>make it only weak to the worst offensive types
>make it strong against and resist all good offensive types
That's not how you're supposed to balance this shit.

>>28838802
>Replaced dragon with some gay shit
Yes

>Why does it resist bug?
Remember: this is literally the meta type. Some dumbfuck at GameFreak looked at the most used moves and made the Fairy type resist them, and among them was U-turn (for obvious reasons).

>>28838802
Not remove it, just balance it

>>28844534
>>28845329
Have you ever seen what happens when you keep a fish in untreated tap water? Their bodies are VERY sensitive to pollutants, the trace amount of chlorine that is harmless to us is highly toxic to fish.

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>>28839725
Poison and Steel actually has allot of great STAB users. The types themselves were just laughable when using them for coverage.

At least Poison's buff made my bro's Swords Dance set 10x better. Why need Close Combat when you have Gunk Shot?

>>28838802
It's too late to remove it, better balance it

>SE on Dragon
>Dragon can damage Fairy
>Bug SE against Fairy
>Dark SE against Fairy
>Psychic SE against Fairy, possibly
>Fairy either SE against Dark or not very efective

Ice would also need to get better mons in order to not be completely useless, plus making it SE against Water

>>28844581
This is by far the best idea I've ever heard in a rebalancing thread.

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>>28838802
yes

>>28845981
that would make it worse than rock

>>28845981
That's some psychic-tier nerf there.

Yes and yes.

>>28838802
Nope, even though It's not my Main type of Pokemon It's still very useful in some battles

>>28839730
dark is great offensively.

>clefable gets no good fairy moves

>>28845458
Because all fish and sea dependant animals all act in the same way.
Not to mention that the sea will eventually break down pollutants and what not and just spring right back.

>>28842266
Fair enough.

>>28838892
How does that nerf fairy? Bug is a trash offensive typing, are you expecting people to use a HP for it?

Fairies will never get nerfed, Nintendo balances around VGC not smogonshit. Fairy is not even OP in VGC, dragons were and still are to some extent.
The last VGC you saw Xerneas and it was still outclassed by Rayquaza and what do you know, its a dragon.

>>28848253
>Xerneas is outclassed by Fug
What did he mean by this

>>28848274
It means the teams that ran Rayquaza placed higher than standard Xerneas + Pdon combo, you autist.

>>28842176
>le hentai is weird meme xD
What do tentacles have to do with bugs, anyway?

Make Grass resist it at least.

Since fairies often work/live with nature, and can't/won't hurt plants.

>>28838802
I'd change how it matches up against bug and Grass. Maybe have Dragons not very effective against it instead.

Definitely the first two, not sure about the latter

>>28848290
?

Is this now true? >>28843935

>>28848501
That's regionals, why are you pretending to be dense?

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>>28839093
>None of the new fairies save for xerneas are worth a shit.
>Clefairy
>Azumaril

>>28838932
You obviously didn't play Gen V where Fighting and Dragons were the meta alongside weather wars.

>>28838802
No, it's great to have a new type that puts the breaks on Dragon types. Cheap bootleg breaks that work once.

>>28839053
Ice is fine offensively. It problem is abysmal defensive typing.

Can someone post the Screencap of all the people on /vp/ claiming that Fairy Type wouldn't be real?

What do you guys think of this
>poison SE on fighting
>fairy resists fighting, not SE on it
>bug SE on fairy
>ice resists ground and fairy

implyingtheFairytype wasn'tthegreatest thing tohappen toPokemonin the past5years