Can't argue with logic

Despite the cancerous style that this image is using, I agree with its implied rankings of the games completely.

Conflating subjective opinion with objective fact is functionally equivalent to shitposting.

>>28814366
Logically HGSS is the worst for adding a ton of unnecessary tedium and not rectifying the mistakes of the original game. Not to mention adding a minigame with the potential of causing damage to the touch screen when played by children.
And a copy paste frontier.

>>28814397
This.

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Yes I can.

>>28814397

Don't forget the cut content.

>>28814385
This desu

>>28814439
Absolute shit taste.

>>28814454
t. hoennpleb

>>28814366
pretty on point except i would turn BW and B2W2 down a notch

>>28814439
You have shit taste desu.

>>28814439
Well
This was shitty

>>28814439
>positively impressed by XY
Opinion disregarded.

>>28814458
t. Kalosperm

Hgssfags are the absolute worst fan base when it comes to the games.

>>28814477
>>28814483
>>28814507
>>28814532
t. obnoxious antiXYfags

>>28814543
No they're not and the fact that you've convinced yourself to believe that shows the degree of contrarian shithead you are.

HGSS are the games with the most sense of completeness in the entire franchise.

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>>28814366
Gen 2 really wasn't that good.

>>28814444
quads confirm

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>>28814544
You sound like someone who lives gurgling sperm

>>28814544
t. contrarians in denial

>>28814558
>anyone who disagrees with me is a contrarian shithead

>>28814595
That's right, run to the "anyone" umbrella, completely ignorant of how you're criticizing HGSS of all games.

>>28814608
Name a better game than HGSS. What you fail to realize is that Gen 1 and Gen 2 are in the same boat. The regions are linked and the style changed only after Johto, not to mention it was the end of Tajiri's vision.

>>28814640
Platinum and bw2 are both immensely better games than hgss.

>>28814586
This t. meme really needs to die. I've only just started seeing it in frequency and it's already older than dirt

>>28814668
>only just started seeing it
t. Newfag

>>28814608
Gen 2 was probably the most innovative gen though. I didn't even play gen 2 when it came of, it's probably has the largest advancements from any generation

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Everyone has their own taste
Their own flavour

>>28814640
>ignorant of how you're criticizing HGSS of all games.
Really? I'm pretty sure I am aware that I'm criticizing HGSS "of all games". Seriously, do you think they're some sort of Holy Grail of Pokémon, that can objectively be identified as better than all others? That there is a consensus among everyone, that yes, they are the best games? Because that is absurdly far from the truth.

>>28814678
Wrong

>>28814366
I agree with that ranking 100% good taste from whoever made it.

>>28814691
>it isn't because I say so

>>28814678
gen 5 to 6 is clearly the biggest advancement

>>28814711
>it is because I say so

>>28814691
Explain

>>28814695
Samefag

>>28814667
Platinum is good, but it's a salvaging of shit games that set the bar lower, so people look on it favorably when they don't realize the standard it was raised to isn't even that much higher.

BW2 works the same way, considering the restrictions put on by BW where you couldn't access previous mons made you appreciate BW2 more for allowing you to. The PWT was a good move, but Gen V as a whole still had a horrible aesthetic expanded upon by the multitude of shit designs Unova had. That is to say, the selection pool was still awful.

HGSS not only had 2 regions, but had Following Pokemon, a Battle Frontier, and several Legendaries from the various generations, connecting all 4 of the generations.

>>28814366
would change fire red/leaf green with emerald, but don't ever use this cancer image style again, thanks - granted I need to play b/w, b/w 2.

>>28814687
>That there is a consensus among everyone, that yes, they are the best games? Because that is absurdly far from the truth.
Maybe you didn't get the memo, but they are. The fact that this is even an argument is baffling, considering the sheer amount of content it offers vs. any other game.

>>28814734
>several Legendaries from the various generations, connecting all 4 of the generations
By that logic, ORAS is the best.

>>28814366
The Johto games are overrated as fuck.

Yes, they're good. Best in the series? Not by a long shot.

>>28814385
/thread

>>28814718
Alright

>2 new types
>special defense stat
>backward compatibility
>tutor moves
>day and night cycle
>genders
>breeding
>rematches
>phone calls
>happiness
>All of Hold items
>original battle tower
>cellular connection
>has an event for a legendary
>original animated Sprite
>new pokeballs
>in game clock, and time based events

And a few more

>>28814608
I would agree with this ; I love gen 2 the most but I will not defend it to the death, it's just a nostalgic thing for me, gen 1 was honestly kind of shitty but battling friends and trading with them was fun.

I hate when people say "gen 2 was the best!" Or that "It's so innovative!", it added a day and night cycle which quite a few games by that time had already done and a re-challenge system which was awesome but it was by no means "Innovative", cunts.

>>28814764
That's not how logic works. If I said Q had X, Y, and Z, just because R has Z too doesn't make it the best.

>>28814734
>HGSS not only had 2 regions
One of which is the shittiest region in the series, the other which is cut down quite a bit from the games it belongs to and has nothing to do it in it except dart from Gym to Gym mindlessly.

It's barely a selling point anymore.

>>28814779
Half of that isn't good. It's just features for the sake of being features.

>>28814784
See >>28814779


I should also mention that there's

>move deleters
>HM usage prompts
>barely a fraction of the glitches in gen 1

>>28814819
>It's just features for the sake of being features.

What did he mean by this

>>28814734
But you only think hgss is good because it salvaged the shit show that was gen2.

Actually it didn't even salvage it since a lot of the problems of original johto were not addressed in hgss.

I will never understand why people consider BW2 to be good, It was awful, I kept putting playing it on hiatus, and when I finished I was like "thats it?"

>>28814819
You can literally say that for any generation

>>28814850
For example
>phone calls
This didn't do anything positive for the game. It was annoying. As far as rematching trainers, vs seeker was far and away much better.
It was only implemented because LOL check it out now you can receive phone calls now!
A feature that didn't do anything for the game. A feature put in the game so they can say they put it in the game. A feature for the sake of being a feature

>>28814859
>great campaign
>amazing post-game that rivals the campaign in length
>lots of great now QoL features like Habitat Dex, repel prompt
>links up with your original save file in a cool way
>great selection of Pokemon second only to X/Y
>an actual sequel and not just a cash in
>Join Avenue
>Pass Powers
>PWT
>etc

Did you even fucking play the game? There's a reason why so many people consider it the best entry in the series.

>>28814859
Same
I only forced myself to finish it because XY were coming out

>>28814880
I don't know they signified the first ever rematches and gave out items.

>>28814790
>One of which is the shittiest region in the series, the other which is cut down quite a bit from the games it belongs to

If you legitimately can call Johto the shittiest region when it has islands guarded by whirlpools, a lake with a Shiny at its center, a mountain where you can fight the strongest player and past persona, and an overall playground for the first ever roaming legendaries, you're either lying to yourself or genuinely have garbage taste pushed by contrarianism.

>nothing to do it in it except dart from Gym to Gym mindlessly
If you're going to be so bare-bones you can argue this for any game pre-Sun/Moon.

>>28814851
Not true, since Gen 2 was far from a shit show and was an immense step forward in its time.

>>28814869
Right but gen2 was the worst offender

>>28814896
That's literally gen 6 anon.

Fucking Sky battles?

>>28814893
>tiny
>towns are also small as fuck and only a couple have any actual personality, namely Ecruteak and Olivine
>pokemon of the region get hardly any representation
>doesn't have its own villainous team and just rehashes ROKETTO DAN

Sorry, it's gotta be the least interesting region in the series. If it weren't for Kanto I doubt you faggots would circlejerk over it as much as you do.

>>28814366
>emerald being worse than platinum

You can fuck right off, OP.

>>28814944
>>tiny
Full size.
>>towns are also small as fuck and only a couple have any actual personality, namely Ecruteak and Olivine
Your memory is so dogshit, or you're just purposefully mis-characterizing them.
>Violet City with Bellsprout Tower and the sages
>Azalea Town home of Kurt the Pokeball maker
>Goldenrod City where the radio tower and game corner and department store left it a buzzing hive of activity
>Cianwood City that became home to the Battle Frontier and had the whirl islands and island life simplicity of not even a real mart, but a pharmacy
>Mahogany Town that bridged the Lake of Rage and had a very unsettling feeling with Rocket operating out of it
>Blackthorn City, the original home of Dragons with even a cave dedicated to them

>>pokemon of the region get hardly any representation
>>doesn't have its own villainous team and just rehashes ROKETTO DAN
Because it served as a continuation, so the plot and Pokemon were spread across both regions instead of clear-cut distinctions which would have made the pair regions more copypaste.

>>28815045
>Violet City with Bellsprout Tower and the sages
Okay, fair enough, this is a pretty decent town.
>>Azalea Town home of Kurt the Pokeball maker
An NPC living there doesn't make it any special. It's a boring as shit tiny as fuck town otherwise, and no, not even the well saves it.
>Goldenrod City where the radio tower and game corner and department store left it a buzzing hive of activity
It's a good city but every game has one of these, it's not unique. Saffron, Rustboro, Jubilife, Castelia, Lumiose.
>>Cianwood City that became home to the Battle Frontier and had the whirl islands and island life simplicity of not even a real mart, but a pharmacy
Again, this town is tiny as shit and basically has nothing on it except a gym in the originals. Even Gen 3 did this type of town much better with Dewford.
>Mahogany Town that bridged the Lake of Rage and had a very unsettling feeling with Rocket operating out of it.
Eh, it's not bad, but it's not great either.
>>Blackthorn City, the original home of Dragons with even a cave dedicated to them
You'd think with these kinds of distinctions they'd put a bit more effort into it, considering it's the last town and all. But they didn't. Nothing about this town makes me think "dragons". They didn't even make fucking music for it and just re-used the Azalea theme.
>Because it served as a continuation, so the plot and Pokemon were spread across both regions instead of clear-cut distinctions which would have made the pair regions more copypaste.
And that's exactly the problem. Johto does not stand on its own. It's just an extension of Kanto.

And the end of the day the majority of the Johto towns are just visually uninteresting, small, and the only good ones are the ones that are pushing the Japanese motif a little bit. If you didn't return to Kanto in the post-game I guarantee these would have been remembered much differently.

>>28814819
>It doesn't count because I say so

>>28814779
>2 new types
Poorly utilized. Acquiring steel types was a pain either because they were trade evos that required an item as well, Skarmory which was version exclusive and only available after the 8th gym, or a gen 1 line.
Dark types weren't any better about this. Most of them can't be acquired until after the 8th gym or even the Elite Four.
>day and night cycle
Which is in part why gen 2's internal battery dies out so quickly and renders your save file worthless far more quickly than any other gen.
>rematches
>phone calls
These are basically the same feature considering you only ever use phone calls for rematches. The NPCs gave maybe a couple other details at best that might be of any interest but nothing substantial enough to call it a good feature. Rematches in that gen were also pretty unreliable and limited. You're better off with most of the post gen 2 methods, and yes I realize that the later games should naturally have more improved versions of what gen 2 had, but my point is that gen 2's utilization of its own features was weak enough where I can't really concede them as a point for it.
>happiness
That was introduced in Yellow.
>All of Hold items
Hardly. The vast majority of berries, more meta items like the choice items or life orb, the EV training based items, and other miscellaneous items came from other games.
>cellular connection
Are you trying to pass this off as a good thing or are you desperate for filler in your list?
>has an event for a legendary
Define your idea of an event, because Mew was more or less an event Pokemon for gen 1.
>original animated Sprite
And they weren't very good. They had more frames than the gen 3 and 4 sprites but most of them had super awkward animations. Look at Ho-Oh's Crystal sprite and see how dumb it looks when it's main body and wings barely move but it's head is jiggling around.
>new pokeballs
Gens 3 and 4 made new pokeballs too.
>in game clock, and time based events
See day/night cycle.

KALOS HATERS, UNITE

>>28816583
and suck unova's balls

>>28816186
was your mother raped by a johtoddler or what

>>28814442
I didn't play HGSS much but didn't they only cut the casino?

>>28816186
>Poorly utilized.
That was the point. New Pokémon and new types were a juicy extra back in the day, something you had to hunt yourself. And they made it pretty damn good.
>renders your save file worthless far more quickly than any other gen
implying you still play a Pokémon game 5 years later it came out unless you want to restart from the beginning.
>These are basically the same feature considering you only ever use phone calls for rematches
But that's wrong. You received phone calls for esclusive items and, in two words, "lore building". Having a trainer commenting on his last battle did a lot for making the world of GSC even depper and lifelike than it already was.
>That was introduced in Yellow.
For literally one Pokémon. And it did nothing gameplay-wise. On the other hand Eevee, Golbat and Chansey would love to tell you something...
>other miscellaneous items came from other games.
But GSC did it first and in a satisfying way. Gen II meta was already filled with item-based movesets.
>Are you trying to pass this off as a good thing or are you desperate for filler in your list?
It was the first Pokémon game that allowed you to be connected to the internet. Do I need to say more?
>Define your idea of an event, because Mew was more or less an event Pokemon for gen 1.
You must be trolling by now.
Celebi. Crystal. If this doesn't ring a bell, google these two words togheter.
>And they [sprites] weren't very good
Opinions. For me and many others they were outstanding.
>Gens 3 and 4 made new pokeballs too.
But GSC (and HGSS) are the only games where you can BUILD your own Poké Balls. You had the possibility to learn about the process that creates Poké Balls, and the Apricorns made the whole thing even deeper and more interesting.
By the way most balls introduced in gen III-IV are just reskinned apricorns.

Trust me anon, I've seen many people having shitty opinions but you're of a rare kind.

>>28814586
That's you

>>28814439
don't listen to all the other anon, your pic made me genuinely smile, and not in contampt or sarcasm.

>>28816186
You sight gen 3/4 doing it 3 times when it's a list of gen 2 innovations

You're really reaching

>>28814397
This. It's also not fun to play.