Should Pokémon be more adult oriented?

>>28802625
Doesn't need to be adult oriented.
The old NES games most of us grew up with weren't adult oriented, difficulty doesn't stop kids from playing.
Back then everyone was stuck on the same parts no matter the age, a game wasn't just something you played just to pass the time, it was a fucking experience you had to be committed to finish it.
That's what I wan't from the games I want to feel that I'm doing something it takes some effort to accomplish.

>>28802625
By "adult oriented" you mean harder or having a more serious tone in terms of story/lore?

>no is winning
good

I don't mind those subtle adult jokes/themes like that ferris wheel event with some trans guy.

Why the fuck should it? You're still going to buy it regardless.

>>28802625
That's a very broad question.

I mean what do you mean by 'adult oriented'? Darker plots, mature themes, blood, and gore?

Do any of those really add to gameplay or storytelling or free up the writers from any restrictions at all?

Here's something: give us an example of what you feel an adult oriented Pokemon plotline could be, and then I might give you a more definitive answer.

In the meantime, I lean towards "no".

Id like to see sex more violence and maybe swearing. Also I think gore would help the series out. It makes things more interesting than boring monster catching and battling

>>28802625
Can I say Kind of?
It needs a bit more of an adult edge like how origins handled it, but still kid friendly enough so that they can still be interested and have fun.

Just don't do what sonic did with shadow and 06 and you should be fine.

I don't care about them adding or not adding adult dialogue, but they definitely need to increase the difficulty from the mindless cake walk Gen 6 was.

>>28802625
The main games? Not necessarily.

But it'd be nice if there were more spin-offs with a more mature target audiene

No, we just need an actual adult alternative to pokemon that has a chance to actually thrive against pokemon in the market

I may be threading on thin ice here, but I wouldn't hate a graphic adventure spinoff title that's more serious and deep. Kinda like that Detective Pikachu game, only without Danny Devito and Christopher Robin, and with a more sinister vibe. Like maybe you're on the trail of an evil Team trying to poach rare pokemon or something

I think pokemon is in real need of more sexual themes. The audience is now grown.

I'd like to see it geared for more all audiences,
as opposed to just intended for children.
Clearly, adults also like to play Pokemon, and
many of which who do take competition rather
seriously. I think that's something that should
be addressed.

>>28802916
Pokedex entries are canonically horseshit most of the time

http://www.strawpoll.me/11315697

Op here. Heres a better poll

>>28802625
GF and Nintendo make no secret that they want Pokémon to be something that's timeless, something all ages can enjoy. and I think they do a well enough job. For 25 year olds who were playing Gen 1 back when they were 6 years old to still be excited about a new game coming out, that's something you rarely see in video games, where either the game has to mature with its original audience, or be stuck for just the kids of each generation.

so no, darkening the plot or adding more adult themes is not in the best interests of the franchise if they want the widest audience possible.

I personally think Pokémon's themes are pretty thought-provoking as is as well. I mean Gen 4 involved a man who was willing to destroy the universe just so he could essentially ascend to godhood and rule a new world, and Black and White involves a man manipulating and abusing a child as a means to obtain what he wants. It's definitely not baby-level-bullshit.

I think at this point Gamefreak should have realized they have a big market in the young adults with nostalgia, I think that's the reason for all the Kanto Alola forms, but they should make one if the 2 versions slightly more adult oriented. I don't think they should go full Fire Emblem with both games completely different but probably one of them being a bit more challenging would be enough.

japan dont like adult pokemon oriebted

>>28802995
>implying that the Pokédex being more accurately described as a folklore compilation is a meme

>>28802956
>people will fall for this

>>28802995
It is wrong retard. It's just nonsensical fluff, which shouldn't be taken seriously. Obviously, Macgargo is not as hot as the sun or the world would be destroyed.

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>>28802625
No. It should just stop assuming everyone that plays it is a baby. There's always a way to appeal to all audiences (ex: difficulty modes) but GF seem to want to ignore a large chunk of us.

>>28803096
It is wrong retard. And no one will ever take it seriously or consider it "canon".

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If by adult themes you mean lewds then yes.

>>28802625
God no

>>28803129
Endyourlifeassoonaspossible

If the Pokedex can't be wrong why does my Cubone's mother not die when I breed?

Checkmate, Richard

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>>28802625
>Should a game about fighting with living ice creams and animals with superpowers be more adult oriented

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>>28803159
>not wanting to fug your pokewaifu ingame

What are you, gay or something?

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>>28803152

>>28803211
Richard is short for Retard, did you know that?

>>28802625
What do you mean adult oriented?
Like a more complex story?

Or do you just want titty monsters (literal and otherwise) in your pokemon game.

>>28802625
Nah.

It's fine that the series isn't super-violent or Shonen levels of crazy.

Sometimes it's nice for a series not to be corrupted by the flaws of real life. Not even sure the series is ready for traumatic moments like character/Pokemon deaths to be a regular thing outside Pokemon in movies and the occasional villain meeting his/her doom or Pokemon successfully harming people or battle injuries being more graphic than a hard exhausting "shove" that winds the target.

I can see if the idea is to give the world building SOME level of authenticity, like seeing Sycamore light a cigarette, Surge have flashbacks of what kind of war he fought or hearing about Wulfric wanting to tie one on to beat the cold (much less offer some liquor to his Abomasnow). It nuances the world, sure but it's also unnecessary to whatever the series just means to convey.

It's a walking commercial, even if there's older fans here and there it's best it STAYS as a walking commercial.

>>28802625
Noooo. Adults are always imposing their shit on kids stuff. Whether it's in the form of innuendos, tone, or whatever--it's annoying and it needs to stop. Let kids have their own shit for once. Arceusdamnit.

>>28803211
except for the fact nobody has seen an actual animal in Pokemon other than Pokemon themselves, and a lot of them have predator/prey relations (pidgey and caterpie for example), and some humans actually EAT Pokemon.
So in all essence of the word, Pokemon are animals within their own realm of existence. Pokemon was a term coined by the fact you catch them in pokeballs and they can be shrunken down to fit in ones pocket.
>Inb4 Indian elephant
Pokemon multiverse is a thing, perhaps the original kanto games have Pokemon and animals co-existing.

>re-
>spon-
>ding
>to
>Richard
ISHYGDDT.

>>28802625
If you want to have more philosophical debates and a more complex plotline, yeah, sure.
If you want to fuck your Pokemon, no.

I want more sex and violence.

Get dating sim/VN elements in the game with dialogue choices so your character can fuck/get fucked by NPCs.

Also make Pokémon die in battle. If fainted by a critical hit, it dies. Whoever kills the other's Pokémon has to provide monetary compensation regardless of who wins. Also, if someone killed your Pokémon, you have the option of attacking them directly in battle. If their HP is depleted, they either die or get severely injured (if kid trainers) and are removed from the map, though this gives you a bad reputation and might close certain shops and Pokémon centers to you, although it opens less reputable ones and adds more trainers to areas (Police, Ace Trainer and the new Bounty Hunter classes) who will come to challenge you. Conversely, Trainers whose Pokémon you killed might attack you directly, and if your HP is depleted you die, no return to a Center, you have to reload a save.

>>28802828
What are you? A fucking faggot? Nobody wants some turtle or elite 4 members having se

>>28803111
This. I mean, AT MOST only like 5% of it can be considered ambiguously canon.

Here's the ultimate poll: http://www.strawpoll.me/11316203

>>28802828
(you)

There should be a difficulty setting or a hardcore mode.

i want pokemon to be more for the adult audience just so my favorite pokegirls can have cowtits.

oh and current demographic of pokemon players are in their mid to late twenties so i think that will help as well.

"Adult oriented" tends to just mean sex and swearing.

No, I don't want that in my collectable monsters game.

>>28802625
Every "adult oriented" game I've played besides Dark Souls has been way too focused on cutscene bullshit

so no

Visual novel elements would massively improve the game.

>>28802625
If it was more like a Miyazaki film, for children but with real serious undertones but still light hearted. I like my badass mons but it's funny playing as little shits and fucking the big guys up.

>>28802625
Yes, I should be able to FUCK Chicken-chan, Lillie and Lusamine and the games and anime should be full of ecchi moments

No.

>>28802828
Maybe (you) should play a different game.

>>28803281
Yeah I agree with this. Pokemon is about exploring a comfy world. There's tons of other "dark" and "gritty" video games out there. Let Pokemon stay Pokemon.

>make a difficulty selection right off the start
>leave the game as it is on normal
>put smarter AI, more leveled trainers, more hold items, better movesets, more mons for gym leaders and etcetera on Challenge mode
>maybe throw two or three extra lines of dialogue with jokes only adults would get in this challenge mode
>voilá

You still get the kid market without alienating the older people who still stuck around

People expecting mature plots and darker tones are playing the wrong series. The game mechanics are the ones that can be revised and more thought out more than dumb 6yo kids playing it because the market for pokemon is way, way broader than this

>>28802625
Yes it should because actually "target audience" is not interested with pokemon.

Pokemon will only benefit from more adult plot or being aple to play as more mature or adult trainer who can just live from pokemon training

>>28802625
no

there's every other place to go be an adult, leave my escapist childish hobbie alone

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The only reason an adult oriented Pokemon game would work would be if it delved into the complexities of the lore and world. Better exploration of the Pokemon wars and some of the legends you get bits and pieces of from libraries. Show more of the gray morality of Pokemon ownership, not just training, and better flesh out the biology and behaviorialism of wild Pokemon. Not anything like "omg look how dark it is a mawile is tearing open a zubat and eating it's guts" but instead just normalizing their behaviors that might seem gruesome but are undoubtedly part of life just like our own life cycles

>>28804011
I like the idea of portraying them as monsters and beasts like they were portrayed to be in gen 1. Them being more aggressive rather than being jolly goofy creatures.

VN elements so I can finally play as the boringshit beta gary stu harem protagonist I've always wanted.

>>28802625
I think the fact that yes is winning shows the board is majority underage,

>>28802625
No.

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No. It's a kid's game, and will always be a kid's game. And that's perfectly OK.
If you want "muh Pokemon for adults" just play SMT.

that 50/50

It doesn't need adult themes, it needs MEANINGFUL themes. After all there are as many shitty adult themes as childish themes.

>>28802625
If by adult themes you mean shit that adults get faster than kids, then sure why not.
If you mean "Adult themes" then no, as pokemon should be a game for everyone really.
In a sense they're already doing the first with how heavy shit got with the X & Y main and ORAS post game stories... less with ORAS though
Seriously ginger shaq hitler was an enormous surprise to me and made me say "holy shit is pokemon getting edgy? my fucking god"

>>28802625
If by adult-oriented you mean it needs more porn, then definitely.

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Yes

>ITT: Manchildren think a franchise developed for and marketed towards babies should appeal to adults

>>28803063
>sun's heat can destroy the world
>what is a nuclear explosion
Gas yourself you retard

>>28810157
>ITT: Teenagers think the thing they enjoy should be made edgier and more "adult"
FTFY.

Pokemon/yokai- kids
Digimon- teens
Smt- adults

>>28810459
>Smt- adults
>what is Persona

It should be all ages oriented.

Honestly B/W tier story with difficulty settings is all you can ask.

>>28810484
>what is a spin off

>>28802828
underage

>>28802625
i think yes
i want a lot of murder and sex in my pokemon games

It pretty much already does tackle adult themes- the afterlife, mob crime, murder, animal abuse, existential crises, truth vs ideals (and the idea that "truth" is not always set in stone), implied suicide, the question of what is beauty and if it matters, and so on. The only way to make it more mature would be to include sexual themes or rape related themes (no reason to) or to flat out show gore or people dying (again, no reason to).

>>28810495
so a generic shounen arc?

It just needs to be a fuller game with better gameplay. It can even have the same shitty story as always if you're allowed to do shit like build your own house, become a pokémon professor, become part of the evil team, become a gym leader etc.

>>28811839
Why thoughy? why would adding shitty subsystems and side tasks make it a better game? Why can't a game just focus on doing what it does best as well as it can? Why does every game need to be bogged down with irrelevant garbage?

>>28811818
Yes? Pokemon aims for a large audience. To appeal to that, your story is going to be generic. Something generic can still be enjoyable with good execution.

>>28811839
>You Can Do Anything :^) game design
awful

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>>28810540
>what is a spin off
Several games made by Atlus but not Persona

>>28814057
Persona began as a spin-off, though, and many people still consider it as such.

I think the question is more can it be done without alienating the main audience, and the answer is no, there is no way.

I think it would involve removing the linearity and giving the MCs personality which while cool I think is better suited for a side-game of some sort.

>>28814182
you can consider your mom a spinoff, i don't give a fuck

persona is part of the shin megami tensei series, always been

spinoffs were the dancing and fighting games, but the numbered series were always "shin megami tensei"

They tried with Pokemon xd, darkness
Pokemon conquest and bw2 but those sold bad, So no

Don't they already do a banging good job making the female leads subtly sexual? What needs to happen is they need to implement a hard mode and the completion of hard mode earns you a different colored trainer card and some other quirks.

For the anime the adult humor is far better than blatant ecchi themes.

>>28814272
No game called "Something XD" would ever work out. And they had to add an edgy subtitle like Gale of Darkness to it too. It was dead before the start. Funny thing is the game isn't even that bad.

>>28802625
>"games should cater to me and not the targeted audience even if I am out of the age-group"

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That split though.

>pokemon is for le 5yo kids you're out of the target audience if you're playing a kidz game xPPPP

When will you idiots stop repeating this shit? All the marketing material for nintendo, even on the beginning of the pokemon series, marketed for teenagers and young adults too. All the latest propaganda and the whole big deal of Pokemon Go was to appeal to adults that grew with the series. Pokemon stopped being a kids only thing since the fucking first game.

>>28814244
Being a spin-off doesn't make it not part of a series.

But it's not mainline. It has nothing to do with the main games in terms of both themes and gameplay at this point. The only difference is Persona actually sells and one of its characters is becoming the new mascot for the company.

Honestly I don't get why Atlus doesn't just make Persona the main series and forgets about SMT, it would be much more lucrative. And when you put a lot more love, effort and detail in a secondary series than you do in your flagship, may it's time to move the flag if you get my meaning.

>>28814347
>But it's not mainline. It has nothing to do with the main games in terms of both themes and gameplay at this point

It is mainline you idiot. It was since the beginning. Atlus knows very well how to brand their countless spinoffs and persona never got treated as one. Every single game had the Shin Megami Tensei title and treatment, you can dismiss all you want because you don't think it's "adult enough", but you're just being a retard and your hissy fit will change nothing. Persona is mainline SMT and since persona got released all the other SMT games are getting more like persona and not the opposite

>>28814272
>those sold bad
>Three weeks before its release, pre-orders of Pokémon Colosseum made it the best-selling game on Amazon.com. In the game's first week of release in the United Kingdom, it boosted the GameCube's market share from 16% to 32%. It was the best-selling GameCube game of May 2004, and fourteenth among all consoles. In 2005, the game was certified as part of Nintendo's Player's Choice line in North America, representing at least 250,000 copies sold. As of 2007, the game has sold over 1.15 million copies in the United States and 656,270 in Japan. It is the best-selling RPG for the GameCube.

>As of January 2013, Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 have combined sales of 7.81 million copies worldwide.

Conquest was a shitty spinoff and isn't even as serious as the PMD games. And in that regard
>As of September 30, 2008, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness combined to sell 4.12 million copies worldwide, according to Nintendo. The reviews for the game were average to positive. The games were scored as 59 out of 100 by Metacritic's review. GameSpy gave the games a 4/5 star rating. Both Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness have received a rating of 7.5 from Nintendo Power. The game is usually criticized on its repetitive game play, but heavily praised for its mature, heartwarming story. The story has been acclaimed as one of the best in the series, further inclining on how Mystery Dungeon continues to be a more favored spin-off of the original Pokémon games.
That's not even counting Sky.

>>28814378
I'm not the guy who said it wasn't adult.

And I favor Persona over mainline. I want it to become mainline so Atlus's release more Persona and stop wasting time on obtuse dungeon crawlers with edgy religious crap.

But you have to be pretty dumb to deny it was ever anything but a subseries to the mainline when it was specifically designed as such.

>>28814426
>But you have to be pretty dumb to deny it was ever anything but a subseries to the mainline
You have to be unbelievable dumb if you think this is the case. Persona singlehanded killed Raidou, Digital Devil Saga, Nocturne and several other branches of the SMT mainline simply because Atlus wanted to focus on it and nothing else. Persona was never a throwaway project, Atlus knew they had a goldmine in their hands, and when SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI - Persona, a game in the same line as SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI If, SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI NOCTURNE and several other mainline games hit the market, they still kept focusing on it, hence the big success of SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI PERSONA 3 and SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI PERSONA 4

Spinoffs dont get spinoffs, you retard. You know what is a spinoff? Devil Survivor. Demikids. Jack Bros. If you ever played SMTIV and you still think that the "main games" and Persona are different things with totally different subjects then you have some serious form of brain damage

This is one of those times I'm glad they don't listen to their "fans".

>>28802828
Its proven that underage like these things more than the 20+ year old /vp/ autists, you might wanna' get the doctor to check to see if you have the case of the underage.

>>28814244
>spinoffs were the dancing and fighting games, but the numbered series were always "shin megami tensei"
They're spin offs of the spin off and not uncommon.
Also anything labeled with "ibunroku" is more often than not a spin off.

>>28814461
>are different things with totally different subjects
But they are.

SMT is about gods and angels being edgy evil fucks and bombing everything while mythologyfags masturbate furiously in the corner and your character goes around bribing demons and killing their friends.

Persona is about exciting high school adventures with your friends and getting stronger by unlocking the power within your soul with heavy tarot and fortunetelling themes which are 100 times cooler and more interesting than the pot meal of whatever random religious/urban legend crap the devs could think of for SMT.

How are those two the same series of games?

>>28803196
I'd play this

>>28814533
hahaha oh my god i just realized you are using fucking wikipedia as your basis

that's it i'm out

>>28814540
>SMT is about gods and angels being edgy evil fucks and bombing everything while mythologyfags masturbate furiously in the corner and your character goes around bribing demons and killing their friends
>Persona is about exciting high school adventures with your friends and getting stronger by unlocking the power within your soul with heavy tarot and fortunetelling themes


Spot the guy who never played Persona 1 and 2

>>28814578
I couldn't finish those games, way too fucking obtuse. They've aged like crap.

The new ones are much more fluid and better. Not to mention they sell well and are the future of the SMT line as a whole.

>>28814585
Then don't talk crap. The older games had the same shit you said SMT games are known for

The VNzation of the series started in P3 and hit full force in P4 but that changes nothing regarding the discussion that Persona is main series or not. And anyone who played IV and Apocalypse can feel a lot more of Persona influence on it than SMT influence on Persona nowadays

>>28814461
>SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI - Persona,
You mean Megami Ibunroku Persona. It was only erroneously called SMT with the PSP remake.

>>28814612
>erroneously
And then they went and made the same mistake two times for the PS2 games right?

>>28814604
All that means is that I'm right.

From the 3rd game onwards, it's a different series. Before that, it's the same edgygod garbage.

>>28811818
Better a generic shounen arc than a generic 5 page picture book for babies. XY's storyline is proof of that

>>28814326
Nope it's a fucking kids game. I'd say the whole exploitative competitive aspect of the games (Smogon or whatever) are more "adult-oriented" though, but most of that is third party input from fans.

>Persona (Japanese: ペルソナ Hepburn: Perusona?), also known as Shin Megami Tensei: Persona, is a series of role-playing video games developed and primarily published by Atlus.[a] The series is a spin-off from Atlus' Megami Tensei franchise, and was originally based on the high school setting of Shin Megami Tensei If.... The first entry in the series, Revelations: Persona,[b] was released in 1996. There have since been nine further console titles (five main entries and four spin-off titles)

>>28814632
>exploitative competitive

>thinks this is adult

>>28814625
For the west yes. Seeing as they were then changed in their remakes

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>>28803691
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11316203
Don't forget to vote.

Bumping for more opinions

No. Shin Megami Tensei exists for that.

While I came into this thread, I remembered how Digimon has evolved a bit to shoot for an older demographic, specifically targeting people who were children when the series first became popular, but Pokemon is above that. It's getting new players with every release. The older fans that come back to it do so out of a sense of nostalgia- Pokemon doesn't need to update its intended demographic.

>>28810484
>>what is Persona
1) a spin off that with each new game distances itself from SMT more and more
2) not as kiddy as you think the games still have concepts that you wouldn't see in games that are targeted towards a younger audience

What you should have said is DemiKids.

no. god no.