Ok /vp/, explain wtf just happened at the end of Team Flare arc

but what the fuck are the tiny robots and the visor for

>>28744473
I think that was him using them for mega evolution, since normally you need max happiness with your pokemon

>>28744465
>/v/'s_reaction_to_facebook_buying_oculas.gif

>>28744465
He's just as much interested in killing himself and the rest of Flare at that point because his plan failed. So either he doesn't notice the kids running away or he doesn't care at that point.

>>28744473
To drain the cover legendary's power.

>>28744488
But you don't need max happiness to trigger it?

Nothing really. They just wanted to put Lysandre in a funny looking costume.

>>28744488
That's just in-story shit.

I've seen people use Mega Pinsir Return that did jackshit.

>>28744488
>>28744508
That was his point. He's saying that the machine bypassed that need. Still, I don't know how true that is since I just saw Shauna say in a last attempt to get Lysandre to see reason that he was able to use mega evolution so his pokemon must care for him too.

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>>28744488
>hey here a free lucario you never seen before
>hey let's have a mega battle with our lucarios
>wow your bond with lucario is sto strong

>>28744552
Well, you do see it twice before and apparently it likes you so whatever.

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>>28744581
well it's true. the lucario keeps sniffing your butt whenever it's around, even before she gives it to you

maybe it felt a strong bond from having battled against you too

I was playing X. That shit makes even less sense.

>I'm going to wipe the slate clean.
>You've beat me. Now i'm going to fire this beam right here!
>Did I mention that it's actually going to grant immortality?

How the fuck was he going to perform mass genocide by making everyone immortal? It's not like he had a chance to modify the weapon to do something different; that thing was going to do that from the start. How was that in any way going to further his goal?

I also just realized his pokemon died/became immortal with him and are buried down there. Huh. Don't go to Geosenge Town on a full moon

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>>28744465
Can someone explain me what happend in X version? I played only Y version and I heard in X this story is even more retarded.

>>28744718
Replace anything with death with life pretty much

>>28744718
See >>28744663

>>28744718
See: >>28744663
The only difference is that in X instead of being a kill beam it's a "eternal life" beam.

>>28744465
Honestly X and Y are so retarded, I honest can't understand why anyone would try and defend these games

>>28744465
He didn't WANT to kill everyone, he saw it as the only option to protect the planet. Did you not pay attention at all?

He was hesitant the entire time and it was clear he wasn't a bad person, he was trying to do the right thing but the right thing he was trying to do was completely immoral. He was so wrapped up in his own realisations that he hadn't taken a step back to analyse them and that's where the protagonist steps in and makes him doubt himself. The player character's role in the game is to experience the world/region out of interest/enthusiasm - you play as the hard counter to Lysandre's train of thought.

This is further emphasised by your 'friends'/rivals who represent alternative ways in which the games are played; Shauna just wants to have fun and doesn't care about anything but having a good time with her friends, Trevor wants to collect them all, Tierno has an outside interest (dancing) and his approach to Pokemon is limited to his interest in Dancing/he only uses Pokemon who coincide with what he likes/he's the "I only use 6 Pokemon" guys and Serena/Calem is too busy trying to have the best team that they're oblivious to the eccentricities of the world, the region and everything in it.

What the story gets at is that you need to have an open mind, you need to explore, you need to socialise and you need to get the most out of everything/what the game provides. Cutting yourself off will limit your understanding and you'll limit your experience so someone else who has allowed themselves to see more will overcome you.

But, they didn't pull it off too well because development was obviously strenuous on Game Freak. That's the general scope of the story though.
I empathised with Lysandre at the end; I've made something, seen it for what it is after the fact and wanted to self-destruct with it.

The story is good in theory and weak in execution, essentially. Probably the best story in the franchise so far, just told the worst.

>>28744729
>>28744734
>>28744746
Thank you anons. But what the fuck is the point then? Shouldn't he make Team Flare immortal and then everybody else die because reasons? What the fuck was he fucking thinking?

>>28744549
The whole thing about needing happiness to Mega Evolve is bullshit. You can Mega Evolve Pokémon even when they have 0 happiness.

>>28744705
But it's true. It was friendship at first sight.

>>28744663
>Don't go to Geosenge Town on a full moon
Why?

>>28744773
No no no. The weapon itself is still supposed to kill everyone. When he loses he says fuck it and just decides to release the raw energy on the base so that the protagonist will be cursed to forever watch the world decay.

>>28744814
and people say there isn't Lucario Shilling

>>28744840
And he doesn't attempt to stop you because.....?

>>28744843
Well, there is.

But I like Lucario so I don't mind.

>>28744843
I've seen literally no one who's said that. Even I, someone who has Lucario as his favourite Pokémon, think the shilling is way too damn high and annoying.

>>28744747
X and Y was one of the best pokemon games, so stfu

>>28744863
oh sorry we disagree, you clearly are the more mature adult in this situation

>>28744854
Because GF didn't think it was necessary to add. Just like they thought so many other things weren't necessary to add either, such as an actual post-game in XY and ORAS.

>>28744854
Idk. His pokemon just got beat, all of his grunts got beat, the legendary is gone, he lost everything he was working for... he's just in despair? It's also a kids game so they have to escape.

>>28744875
or a cohesive plot

>>28744873
You really aren't any better than him, though.

>>28744884
At least I don't use child slang such as
>stfu

>>28744771
What was so wrong with the world that he wanted to destroy it? His logic was kind of flawed. I'm pretty sure he makes a point of saying that the main protagonist gave him hope for the future in his Cafe, which is obviously before he has his whatever the fuck it is breakdown.

>>28744747
XY was just rushed and feel unfinished. And they are fucked up technically. You know, the story was good, but told horribly. When I was playing it for first time I couldn't understand what the fuck happend. And they even fucked up Mega Evolutions - Did you know that you only can use Mega Lucario (or two ME, I don't remember) until post-game?
It had good Pokemon even if the Pokedex was small as fuck (I mean new Kalos Mons - 72) It had customization (little, but still good to see) I can't find more +.

>>28744840
This doesn't make any sense either.

The beam still buried (and most likely killed) him with a couple tons of rock. He wouldn't be cursing anyone to do anything.

The weapon at max power was (supposedly) a death ray. The weapon at less power grants immortality, but its' fucking useless because you have to get directly hit by the big ass space beam that blows everything up.

How the hell did the original King who made the damn thing manage to survive it?

>>28744898
No but you're even more narrow-minded than him, so you're both just as bad.

>>28744920
>Lucario
>Kanto starter

And these 2 are given out by random NPC's for no reason, one of them is really well hidden by the legendary bird den

>amphrousite
>gengarite

That's it I think though

>>28744940
I'm not narrow minded, I've come to a conclusion when looking at facts of the game and games before it

>>28744926
Anyway, if Lysandre wants to kill everybody expect Team Flare how he and his team wants to survive it? Wouldn't Yveltal power in this death machine kill EVERYBODY with no exception?

>>28744843
There is but if you have a problem with it you can literally just say no to the location and leave. It pulls you away from the story, but once you have the mega ring you meet all the flags to continue the story. No locario needed.

>>28744926
>The beam still buried (and most likely killed) him with a couple tons of rock.
That's not how immortality worksc faggot.

>>28744951
Abomasite too

>>28745001
Where do you get that again?

>>28744488
Not happiness, but you need a special bond with the pokemon, which in the games your character is so special and awesome that he can Mega Evolve with every pokemon capable of it, whereas most other people can only possibly Mega Evolve one pokemon.
Lysandre bypassed that need with the machines though.

>>28745029
Frost Cavern when you beat shit out of Team Flare Grunts and some random Scientist. Abomasnow gives it to you when you "talk" to it.

>>28744951
Aerodactylite if you has patience finding Old Ambers in Glittering Cave (smashing rocks)

>>28744899
Humans are fucking up the world basically.
Lysandre is pokeHitler.

>>28744840
This is it, the beam itself is a killing beam, but since it lost the firing mechanism (Xerneas), it only keeps the raw energy, which is life energy.

Not saying that it makes sense though, this is about the best I can do

>>28745062
He wanted to snuff out pokemon too.

>>28744899
Figured that with how the population was growing that eventually the world would be OVERpopulated and then everyone would start fighting over everything leading to huge wars like the one that birthed that ultimate weapon and all of this would be scarring the world and making it ugly.

>>28744965
Being honest, I don't think he really expected to have Team Flare survive. That was just a ruse to get their manpower and funding. He was planning on suiciding and taking out as much life as possible from the beginning.

>>28745062
So his logic is
>Humans are so cruel and mean
>Let's kill all of them!

A+ idea GameFreak. They could have added a few sentences of dialog like, "Humans are destroying the environment by wiping the slate clean the world will be able to heal itself from all the destruction people have caused over the years."

There. Fixed it. I expect GameFreak to contact me within 24 hours for my amazing contribution.

>>28744926
> How the hell did the original King who made the damn thing manage to survive it?

Because the first time he used it, it made him immortal. It's only the second shoot that killed everyone.

>>28745173
He's like a poor man's Cyrus because at one point he wanted to help the people world. Then somewhere he thought fuck it people are bad, better go back on what I wasted time and energy and money on

Cyrus was a broken person as a child

>>28745201
*houre supposed to sympathize with him, when in actuality we don't know or see what he's done and it ends up just being a sentence that defines his character

He was expecting them to stand in awe like villains do when a Power Ranger morphs or something

>>28744465
Lysandre did nothing wrong

>>28745201
>He's like a poor man's Cyrus
Aside from the fact that he's way more realistic and relatable than Cryus. Cyrus is just an autistic retard.

>>28745030
Could you imagine if Lysandre had multiple Megas? How cool that would have been? Like having to fight the Shadow Lugia + Six Mons in Gale of Darkness? God damn it.

>>28745279
See >>28745218

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>>28744597
tfw you will never bond with Lucario

>>28745324
As opposed to what with Cryus? His grandparents telling you he was an autistic fuck?

>>28745313
Its impossible to Mega Evolve more than one Pokemon in battle.... right?
Anyway, I wonder why they didn't give him Mega Houndoom.

>>28745347
He was designed as a sociopath a filled that role rather well

Lysandre on the other hand is a shitty character for trying to help people constantly only to double back and decide to kill everyone instead

>>28745352
because Malva had Mega Houndoom

>>28745352
It's also impossible to mega evolve with a mega ring. Or to have a team of seven pokemon. But GF said fuck boss fights.

>>28745368
>Mega Houndoom
What the fuck? Where?

>>28745357
You're retarded. The whole point of Lysandre is that he spent his life trying to help people only to realize that those people are the problem. He gives everything he has to improve the lives of others and they are never satisfied, they always want more and more without bothering to give anything. It's those ignorant people, most people, that cause the world to decay and rot. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

>>28745403
In the anime

>>28745313
That would be amazing. Certainly better than what we got. They could have at least given him six pokemon. The actual catching of Xerneas wasn't that great either. I put it in my team for the showdown and it turns out that it was worse than the HM slave I had that was ten levels lower. I've never been so let down on so many fronts.

>>28745352
He was sucking the energy out of a legendary pokemon. It would've been acceptable. It also would've been a nice explanation for his Lysandrous Rift VR gear he was using.

>>28745426
Sounds like a shitty motive.

>The people I'm helping want more help
>fuck it
>I'm going to kill everyone/thing that isn't rich enough to join me

>>28745426
How did he improve people's lives at all?

By giving them a holographic telecommunication device? That's quite a big ego he has. Not to mention how creepy his chat with Diantha. He's just a delusional person who has grandiose sense of self.

>>28744899
Sorry, I was indisposed.
He explains it in team Flare HQ and I honestly can't remember what his point was exactly. It has something to do with overpopulation or how humanity with Pokemon (who in this scenario are strictly analogues of culture) are destroying the world - like a betraying your genes and the world overall sort of thing. He's got the whole Black Metal 'burn it down and start again, it's the only way' thing going on. He's right, but his approach is unethical.

If they'd been able to really go into it XY could've been amazing, but they didn't. I don't get how people didn't understand it all the same; it's pretty straight forward, kids game storytelling.

>>28745426
It's a shit notice because we don't see him help or notice or see anyone that he's helped

>>28745486
See: >>28745472 and >>28745167

It's still not perfect as we've got to fill in too many blanks, like what exactly were all the compounding moments and instances that led him to his final solution, but it's something.

I dunno. Maybe he ate too many pancakes.

>>28744465
Honestly given how retarded the dialog in Y is and how little everything makes sense I think we can agree that X is canon.

>>28745535
Whoops. Meant
>>28745472
See: >>28745486 & >>28745167

>>28744771
The Lysandre motivations are not the whole story. I would not say its the best at all

>>28745493
Yeah we do; he runs a company that makes technology that helps people and you use it in the game. It's a massive part of the plot.

>>28745535
I just figured, after scrolling through, that the missing piece of my explanation >>28745486
was that he's disillusioned from working his whole life making technology to help the world and seeing it used by people to lazily take advantage of convenience instead his intention of making the world a stronger, more productive place.
And then full on Black Metal burn the churches.

>>28745493
Besides like everyone? Considering he invented the holocaster?

>>28745426
You sound like you are implanting your own back story and development to Lysandre because you like him

>>28745596
How the fuck does that HELP anyone?

>>28745579
>The story regarding Lysandre is not about him so AS FAR AS I CAN SEE it's bad despite my not making a point
Always nice when someone decides to pop in, say something is bad and not make any actual points.

>>28745472
I get it, you lack empathy. Stop posting.

>>28745482
>>28745493
Why does it matter? Its an objective fact that he did. You're just being needlessly nitpicky.

>>28745604
But this is 100% all from dialogue. I thinl perhaps you instead are trying to oversimplify an argument simply because you don't like a character.

>>28745626
>he thinks cellphones don't help people

>>28744488
The machines let him enter the digital world. From in there he can bypass the Pokémon firewall and install the Mega evolution virus in order to trigger mega evolution.

>>28745675
>people in need
>gives them cell phones
>decided he can't help everyone and decides to kill everyone

>>28745641
That's bad story telling from an objective point.

Show don't tell

>>28745629
The pacing is poor, the characters outside Lysandre aren't good, its silly nobody could see he had a darker motive, AZ's entire existence is pointless and is only a plot device for the weapon existing in the first place, and I can't connect to Lysandre's extreme opinions that this was the only thing that could be done. There seemed to be no criteria for who would be killed whether it be selfish people or not, and he himself seems completely disconnected from the rest if the team who are just rich idiots. The disconnect between him and the rest of the team is larger than all the other characters

>>28745656
Is this one of those "if you don't like a character you don't understand them" type people? Because I get enough of that shit over at /co/

>>28745696
>oversimplification
You're being purposely moronic. That's not all he did. No, it doesn't hold your hand and explain in detail every single thing he did to help people. It still happened. Several NPCs confirm it.

Are you pretending cellphones are super important?

>>28745708
Yes, it's bad writing. Like all of the Pokemon games. Gain a little bit of context, dude.

>>28745727
I don't care if you don't like the character. I care when you're outright wrong about things.

>>28744549
All the machine did was monitor and regulate energy.
As for mega evolution, all that requires is a bond it's never specified what kind of bond.

>>28745340
What the fuck is with the font color here? It makes it nearly impossible to read.

>>28745746
No, the "rest of the games do it so its OK this one is worse" argument isn't good

>>28745656
I'm not that dude, I liked Lysandre, and I still think you're bringing in some outside stuff here. The only thing I remember being stated in dialogue is that the world was on the path of destruction with how populated it'd become and how limited resources would be.

The rival and Shauna are the mouthpiece since the MC is a mute and they were arguing all through out that section of the labs that maybe the world would be overcrowded and people would fight over everything until there's not even anything left to so much as steal, but maybe they'd instead share what's left even if it isn't much.

I JUST finished that part yesterday and don't remember anything coming up about his motivation other than that. He obviously had something happen that made him lose faith in humanity, but that's never really said.

>>28745772
Not really?

>>28745783
Go talk to Sycamore.

>>28744926
>He wouldn't be cursing anyone to do anything.
Except for the fact that the rocks trapped him forever under the rubble.

>>28745782
It's not an argument? Again please use basic context. We're talking about a Pokemon character. That inherently requires you to adhere to a certain lowered standard of writing. Trying to lampoon a character because of that level of writing is fucking pointless.

>>28745062
Aside from Flare, I've never actually encountered anything to support his claim in kalos. Shitty as it is the nature appears to be preserved well. The only thing is the pokemon village but that's it Or maybe he's self aware of how shitty and underdeveloped the game mechanics are in kalos or something?

>>28745675
Maybe cellphones help people, but he didn't invent the cellphone. He just made a cellphone able to produce holograms.

>>28745825
Yes. The context is that its badly written for Pokemon.

The lower standards doesn't mean everything is inherently equal within this criteria

>>28745493
There's a few NPCs, a Pokemon Ranger you fight off of the top of my head, that say things like "a man named Lysandre helped me become what I wanted to be and I'm very grateful".

>>28745830
That's bad writing. Or maybe it's just like N. Where they want to empathize with a character they actively portait as 100% wrong. Without the legendary chosen hero part...

>>28745772
I think you might be partially color blind, man. Not memeing. It's happened before over in /v/

>>28745801
You mean on the path to the next gym? Did. If he's got more back in his lab I should go give him a listen.

>>28745807
He wanted to curse the MC and friends by "forcing them to watch the degeneration of humanity" or some bullshit. That would've been truly suffering if he turned out to be correct. Probably more a personal hell for him than kids that probably didn't give too much of a fuck and were optimists, but he was pretty far gone anyway.

>>28745850
It's pretty much on par with everything aside from Gen 1. And that gets a pass because all you have to do to make Giovanni look like a mod boss is have him try to make money.

>>28745837
Prove it :^)

But no, there's no reason not to believe the game when they tell you multiple times he has helped people. Arguing the objectivity of that is silly.

>>28745875
I honestly just dont agree. But at that point we'd be arguing opinions.

>>28745746
You are honestly embracing the games getting worse

>>28745727
>The pacing is poor
Yeah, it's pretty bad

>the characters outside Lysandre aren't good
Nah, I'd say they all do what they're meant to, there's not enough forcing the plot out for some of the audience so someone who isn't really paying attention will just completely not get it

>nobody could see he had a darker motive
I wouldn't call t darker by any means and it was pretty obvious early on that he was the big bad guy, but it was obvious too that he was an excellent person who was involved with all of big good guys and that he'd simply snapped.

>AZ's entire existence is pointless and is only a plot device for the weapon existing
AZ is important to the plot and it seems as though there was more planned that they had to leave out due to deadlines. His inclusion also added real legitimacy to Lysandre since he captured a giant, immortal man.

>no criteria for who would be killed whether it be selfish people or not
Team Flare would survive. They were impressionable youths with money. He used them to fund his project and they are young and easily influenced enough for him to go about setting up an ideal society afterwards

>The disconnect between him and the rest of the team is larger than all the other characters
Yeah, because they're only a team in name. He uses them for funding and sends them on jobs, they have no authority, they're pawns. His executives are all fanatics like him, too. They're not his friends, they're people of use to his plan.

I think you just weren't paying proper attention to it.

There's also the localisation issue, since understanding this level of storytelling is still built into Japanese audiences through TV, cinema and all other media. In the West people have grown accustomed to being spoonfed every little detail so there's an issue of the audience being too stupid to get the plot.

>>28745173
That was basically it. He tried being helpful before and ended up so disgusted with how selfish and negative people could be that he said fuck it murder everyone. Then he tipped his fedora or something.

>>28745953
>characters appear twice and are never seen again doing anything relevant
>serve their purpose

>>28745922
I agree. I'll just leave it with this. Archie and Maxie don't ever explain why they think the way they do in Gen 3. Cryus never explains why he thinks emotions are bad, save for his parents telling you he was a lonely kid. N is cheating because he was only ever exposed to abused Pokemon. Ghetsis' ambition on the other hand never gets explained. It has always been like that from my perspective.

>>28745953
>In the West people have grown accustomed to being spoonfed every little detail so there's an issue of the audience being too stupid to get the plot.
It shows especially in this gen of pokemon.

>>28745946
No? The writing has little to do with Lysandre's characterization. His writing is basic Pokemon tier. Pacing and content are what has been getting worse.

>>28745801
>"and maybe someday the population of people and pokemon will actually increase to where resources become very scarce. If someone acts out of greed in such a world, surely some will go without. If all living things keep acting that way, there will be nothing left at all in the end. Why, there won't even be anything left to steal, will there? But what I really wanted was for him to put his ego aside and lead everything to greater heights. I never had this discussion with him, though. So i'm partially responsible for this.

Yeah, ol' Sycamore seems to be lending credence to his motivations being impending overpopulation, but here's the bridge, being made worse by people choosing the path of greed.

>>28746007
And Lysandre, after having spent so much time trying to help people, had come to the conclusion that it was inevitable. Most people were just bad, or at the very least selfish, people.

>>28745968
>Cyrus never explains why emotions are bad

>"here should have been no strife. But what became of the world? Because the human spirit is weak and incomplete, strife has spread... This world is being ruined by it... I find this state of affairs deplorable..."

>"his world of ours is a crude one. In a word, it is incomplete. It has been, and always will be, a struggle to survive in this world. We humans and Pokémon are likewise incomplete. Because we are all so lacking, we fight, we maim... It is ugly. I hate the incompleteness."

>"he emotions roiling inside me... Rage, hatred, frustration... These ugly emotions arise because of my own incomplete spirit!"

Direct quotes from the guy himself. He explains it MULTIPLE times throughout the game, as do the other characters associated with him.

>>28745965
>a purpose requires omnipresence
Some characters purpose are simple to say a line. You're pretty dense, mate.

>>28745974
I like to remark at how Western translators turn the likes of Mangaka into 'manga artist', which sets a bad precedent and creates an audience of people who think 'artist' means 'doer'. The West is full of media so shallow that there's a huge amount of people who can't even speak properly anymore.
Like, Pokemon is a kids game and the stories are really straightforward but here we have a huge thread filled with posts by people who didn't understand a straight forward story and arguing that they are right for thinking a story whose plot has been explained within this very thread had no plot because they are incapable of active participation with a medium.
Passive viewing is the biggest problem in Western Culture, from a creative standpoint. That and people using 'art' wrong.

>>28746040
Let me rephrase. He never shows why emotions are bad. He just says they are when everything we experience in the games doesn't lend credence to that idea in the slightest. Same concept.

I found the story of Y to be really fucked up, to be honest. While it wasn't executed properly (likely because of the whole "let's have it available in X amount of languages at launch" thing), it has some interesting themes. Nothing that hasn't been covered in other, better RPGs, though.

Black/White had the best story in Pokemon.

>>28746044
Purpose involves doing something. Why not have one constant admin

>>28745968
Oh, Gen 3 was equally bad in that department. I can't argue there. Even now, Archie's motivations seem silly.

Ghestis doesn't have a viewpoint. He specifically only does it so everyone will release their Pokemon and he will rule as the only person who has them. In BW2 he decided to do the same thing but by force.

Cyrus was positioned as insane and always like that, so he doesn't need the motivations like Lysandre does, who is someone we should be sympathetic to

>>28745953
So his plan was to get rid of selfish people, and his plan would make it so only the rich selfish kids in his team survive?

"They all do what they are meant to"
That's why its bad. The characters are, more than any other game in the series, clearly filling out a role and are nothing more than that. They aren't interesting, just baseline roles a we go through the motions. This is true for the game locations and lore as well. We don't even see the legendary outside the Flare HQ, because their lore was used purely for that one role in that one scene. When we got to the second town and they all gave me a nickname to be BFFs despite just meeting me, I instantly thought "this is not genuine". Bad.

AZ was a wanderer who was depressed and guilty. He probably walked in there himself. There is no legitimacy as we have no time to connect to him as a person before or after. Who cares that he caught this guy we see once?

>that last part
So it is "if you don't like it you just didn't get it."

>>28746102
This is so wrong, but I'll respect your opinion enough that I won't argue against you.

>>28746077
>he never shows why emotions are bad
Ignoring the fact that even in the pristine world of Pokemon, people still get angry at each other which leads to them doing idiotic things...

>"Rage, hatred, frustration... These ugly emotions arise because of my own incomplete spirit!"
Cyrus himself IS the reason emotions are so bad. It's his own anger and frustration at himself and those around him that led him to the ultimate breaking point, and deciding to completely wipe out reality for his own.

Saturn himself points this out after the main story:
>"Our leader, Master Cyrus, hated the very idea of spirit. He hated spirit for being incomplete. And yet, using fiery exhortations, he rallied the spirit of others. What he hated most, he used to control others. Isn't that ironic?"

>>28746130
What didn't you like about it?

>>28744465
I read a fanfic where Lysandre became immortal and the player characters immortal or some jackshit and it was awful and immoral or some shit and equalled murder and having never played these games I assumed it was some retarded fanfic tier shit but then I realised it was canon after reading bulbapedia.

Uhh

>>28746126
AZ had so much potential. He's literally based on The Wandering Jew; it would've been so good to see him play more of a role.

>>28746126
I would mention that of course Lysandre's recruitment method is inherently flawed the idea behind it is that only people who were valuable, people who made or innovated, would be able to afford the fee. Also he probably got to a point where he didn't care and just wanted to fund his goals.

>>28744837
Seconding this. I wanna know too

>>28746136
Right. So Cyrus is insane. He stays in the Distortion World and the Pokemon World is back to being great? Cyrus hates the world because he hates himself is all I'm getting from that.

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>Holo caster
>holocaster
>holocauster
>holocaust
I figured it out guys

>>28746200
Inb4 slowpoke

>>28746106
>Purpose involves doing something
Yeah, and a character automatically does something by existing. What character does nothing?
The admins would make a lot less sense if you gave them any more involvement. Most of team Flare are morons Lysandre is exploiting. Then he has the Scientist guy and the Elite 4 member who also does the News on his Holocasters.

>>28746126
>So his plan was to get rid of selfish people, and his plan would make it so only the rich selfish kids in his team survive
So you just can't into a story.
He concluded that humanity had become selfish and so he aimed to restart with a loyal section of humanity that he could guide. He could embed the ideas he deems 'good' into them later.

>clearly filling out a role and are nothing more than that
That's all a character is meant to do. You don't put superfluous elements in your stories, it distracts from the message.

>AZ was a wanderer who was depressed and guilty
AZ was rushed and he sort of regurgitates his role in the story via dialogue. He was clearly cut because time restraints.

>if you don't like it you just didn't get it
I never said I liked anything. I'm giving an impartial explanation, something I'm actually experienced in doing.

The games in general suffered from GF clearly underestimating how much time and money the new engine would need and the story and content suffered because of it. There's still enough of both to understand what they wanted you to, though. You can spot a creative compromise when you've made enough of them yourself.

>>28746157
>I would mention that of course Lysandre's recruitment method is inherently flawed the idea behind it is that...
>>28746126
>So his plan was to get rid of selfish people, and his plan would make it so only the rich selfish kids in his team survive?

I'm pretty sure he had no intention of actually ensuring anybodies survival. That's why the only requirement to join was "do you have the money and will you work for me." He was using them for funds and manpower. Lysandre's such a stand-up guy, proof being in all the stuff he's done for the region (that we players never get to see or are really told of other than random stuff like that one ranger who was funded by Lysandre) that everybody saw him as a great dude and wanted in on that.

>>28744465
All he needed was a setting that showed what grieved him was a reality. If Kalos had just been through a long war or some traumatic happening and people were climbing all over each other just to survive, his plan would've at least have been understandable. He could've been a great antagonist.

This good man who dedicated himself and his resources to making his country better only to find out all of it amounted to nothing. He snaps and decides that most humans are filth and they need to be gotten rid of to make the world beautiful and sustainable again. He just wants a fresh, new start.

It was right there for GF to do. All Lysandre is missing is the right setting.

>>28746139
N was a terrible character, Ghestis was a terrible character with LITERALLY no motivation, the supporting cast, including gym members, were all awful, including the sudden decision to make them the "law enforcers" of their lands, the villain plot was terrible (being champion means you can force people to release their Pokemon/control the region? The fuck?), and the Dragon characteristics were dumb.

>>28746198
>Cyrus is insane.
Exactly.

>He stays in the Distortion World and the Pokemon World is back to being great?
Of course not.

One: the Pokemon World is still suffering from the effects of emotions, just as he said. Ghetsis's greed led him to lie to a young child for years, and then try to take over Unova. Lysandre's anger and desperation led him to nearly wipe out the majority of life on the planet by torturing innocent Pokemon. Nothing is -fixed- when it comes to Cyrus's ultimate goal.

Which leads to two: Cyrus isn't STAYING in the Distortion World. There is literally no line of dialogue of his that implies he's happy just being alone in the Distortion World. In fact, there's the exact opposite:
>Cynthia: "Why do you seek to change the world? If you hate our world you should just go off somewhere alone. Find somewhere where you can live without seeing others."
>Cyrus: "Why should I run and hide from the world and have to wait quietly? My aim is to rid our world of the vague and incomplete thing we call spirit. By freeing ourselves of that, our world can be made complete. That is my justice! No one can interfere!"

And of course, there's his final line:
>"This, I promise you. I will break the secrets of the world. With that knowledge, I will create my own complete and perfect world. One day, you will awaken to a world of my creation. A world without spirit."

Cyrus isn't stopping within the confines of the story. He's still studying, he's still planning, and if Gamefreak ever looks back at their older games and realizes "oh shit, we have this guy still out there!" we could very well still see him come back.

>Cyrus hates the world because he hates himself is all I'm getting from that.
That's the crux of it. We know Cyrus was always a loner, but that his parents were also very neglectful to the point his grandfather wishes he had stepped in and taken him away from that household earlier, but that's all the info we get.

>>28746151
I didn't like AZ because it felt SUPER "we're trying to make a new N but with none of the effort."

>>28746198
Why is that not enough for Cyrus' role? He does this better than Lysandre. His team are canonically a bunch of buffons because its just a cult pretending to be an energy corporation, with the grunts no knowing what's going on. He's a fanatic with ridiculous ideas we aren't supposed to find sensible. But they come from how he veiws the world. His crazed character means this extreme response makes sense.

>>28746236
Several times in this thread, people (I assume you) talk about how people can't understand the story or characters because they didn't like them

Are you really calking the things that make characters and settings more than empty vessels with which to carry out their one note roles superfluous?

And yes, the games suffered. But you are arguing what the game was meant to be by filling in blanks. I'm arguing what the games are based on what was given. And you are filling in much more blanks than even GF at this point. I just think you are looking at its max potential and rating the reality higher than it is based on that.

>>28746157
But why fund his goals if his goals were being put aside anyways?

>>28746314
You didn't play the games did you?

>>28744663

>I shall grant you eternal life! I'll give you the pain of endlessly waiting for a beautiful world to finally be built!

He literally says it.

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Who was the more worse villain?

>>28746259
>All Lysandre is missing is the right setting
But... Pokemon is analogous to our world so putting in a filter like that would be counter-intuitive.
Lysandre's ideology matches up with a lot of contemporary philosophies. A big discussion right now is the problem with a society who is caught up in the capitalist, infinite distraction trap; people lead by convenience who become too lazy to actually so much as think for themselves. People who go to see a movie because on TV people go to the movies and then decide on seeing the Adam Sandler movie because that's the one the TV showed trailers for the most times.
It's a very real part society, it's actually the majority of the developed world at this stage, and platforms like Spotify live off of it by exploiting people's inherent refusal to find things for themselves - people who would rather pay to be told what they like by an algorithm than actually go an experience anything for themselves. So that's the real life issue the game touches on, it was actually a huge talking point around the time of the games' release, too.

The setting is perfect, the only issue is the pacing and the audience being made up of the same people Lysandre considers 'rotten'.

>>28746390
We don't see the destruction or pain people have brought to the world. Or people being selfish, competition isn't bad (mega ring) but that's not being selfish, that's survival of the fittest

Why does he want to destroy the world? Because humans are bad, yet we have no evodence of this

>>28746378
How does that quote explain how an immortal gun will kill off everyone?

>>28745604
Watch the Ashnime, Lysandre's motivation is explained perfectly.

>>28746432
But the ashnime is implanting their own back story into these characters too

>>28746432
Because the anime is canon

>>28746355
>people (I assume you) talk
I assume otherwise

>Are you really calking the things that make characters and settings more than empty vessels with which to carry out their one note roles superfluous
I'm not sure what the fuck you were trying to say there but I'll try to respond.
A character is in a story to express an idea which is necessary to impart the larger idea meant to be expressed by the finished story.
A character who expresses anything more than they need to do as part of the story would be adding superfluous elements to the story which is counter-intuitive.

>you are filling in much more blanks
I'm not, I'm discussing the game and what was presented. I don't know what wasn't presented. I can tell when the game presents something in a way that says "hey, we need to squeeze this in here, sorry" due to experience.
I didn't rate anything, though what could have been is a very exciting prospect.

>>28746364
Black and White? I did.

Unless you're talking about B2W2, in which Game Freak managed to salvage a shit first set of games by doing a direct sequel, although it's pretty pathetic that it took them four games to make a decent story.

>>28746431

He was only trying to kill people in Y you idiot. In X, he wanted to make everyone never-changing so they would be young and beautiful forever.

Why is Lysandre in charge of Team Flare is Malva is much stronger than him? Why didn't Mavla help him out since she's the strongest Team Flare member?

>>28746473
You call the gym leaders law enforcers
Which isn't true

And the Hero's of Unova used the dragon and N became worthy+bring the champion no one could defy his request

>4 games to make a decent story

What did he mean by this

>>28746449
It should have been. Zygarde plot was better than the Ultimate Weapon one.

>>28746492
Rigtt. She was a big factor in the media so she could've reports sent to sidetrack you or hvve you and the gang falsly accused of being suspicious

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>>28744899
Lysandre is a hypocritical,that's pretty much all his character is about.That's why he wants to repopulate Earth with Team Flare even tough they are a bunch of idiots,he believe he can judge others.In this sense his a good villain even if he wans't a good character because he is realistic.He is like Donald Trump or Lenin.

>>28746486
No he still wanted to kill everyone and let himself become immortal

>>28746492
Maybe she had already left Team Flare before the plan started.

>>28746520
Oh definitely XYZ was great. People actually did shit in it

But it's not canon

>>28746546
Then why would she be so buttfrustrated about you stopping them?

>>28746541


X: I would make this world unchanging and eternal so all beauty will last forever.

Y: I would end the world in an instant so that beauty never fades

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>>28746486
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just pretending.

>>28745772
Makes it a lot easier honestly.

>>28746390
Kalos is a beautiful, peaceful place where the only person who is shown to be unhappy is Lysandre himself. We are never shown any examples of the things that trouble him.

In a story, you can't have someone say a place is in a horrible shape that's in need of fixing and then show it to be a perfect place where everyone is happy. Real world issues don't matter. It has to be shown within the story for it to make sense.

>>28746414
Ah, come on. Read the thread and pay attention to the game.

Lysandre is like a romanticised Steve Jobs, complete with a Heathcliff like build and hair-do.

He made some cool technology that allows people to anything at anytime and he'd hoped it would lead to a new age of people being more proactive, getting out more and helping to make the world a better place.
However, people use convenience for further laziness (see: the real world) and so everything he worked to achieve was undercut by humanity and it's wretchedness. In the game it's also implied that Pokemon being used as tools is part of the laziness as well, you can incorporate how most Pokemon are based on cultural stuff but you don't really need to go that far.

The only solution is to refresh the world and begin anew, conditioning the remaining people to live in the way he had envisioned to begin with.

He has an ideology and wants so much good and people being shit denied him his dreams. He ultimately snapped and, being completely within his own ideas having been working to make them happen the whole time, seeks to see them fulfilled without any focus from outside of himself.
That's why Sycamore says he could've prevented it. It's important when you make stuff that you talk to other people.

I find him an incredibly empathetic character - I can relate wholly. He spells it all out, though, so I really don't get how anyone doesn't understand it outside of looking at the way audiences take in media hyper-literally and without paying any real attention.

>>28746314
>>28746473
Now I want to use the "you just don't understand it so you don't like it" defense

Really though, Ghestis just wanted to trick people into getting rid of Pokemon so he'd be the only one with them.

>>28746466
I think I'm replying to more than one person. Are you even OP? One autist jeeps condescendingly saying "everyone who didn't get this is a baby who can't understand stories unless they like it and Lysandre.

Also, I don't think you get what I'm saying. The characters and places needed more so they felt like actual things, and not just roles in a story. You don't get connected to things that are obviously filling a role and nothing more. You meet AZ once so you know him and then get an info dump in the conclusion so you get his specific role. And that's it. Its just checkbixes being checked off so you have a baseline story that feels more like a play than Mario Bros 3.

>>28746515
Did YOU play the games?

Also, Plasma's plan was "use one half of this legendary duo," which is pretty fucking stupid, since N proves to be a pretty terrible Pokemon trainer unless he has a Legendary on his team, and there's ANOTHER DRAGON THAT EXISTS that will fuck him sideways.

When their plan fails, Ghestis has a temper tantrum and blows his entire facade over a fucking Pokemon battle.

>>28746645
He spells it out, but has nothing to back anything up except an item 2 people had fair competition over

>>28746642
An anon once said Kalos suffers from Paris Syndrome, whereby Japanese people over-idealise Paris.

I am inclined to agree with him.

>>28744552
On the story you would need a strong bond to use i,and its said that lucario feel in love with you first sight

>>28746696
Well that's completely retarded

>>28746388
Anankos atleast has a backstory to him, and he brought over the best characters from Awakening. Both are still bad nintendo villains, but I don't get the connection beyond that.

>>28746667
No, I did understand it. It's just fucking stupid. Who models a plan around "truth and ideals"? Who spends their entire life raising a kid alongside Pokemon with the minute chance that he'll be able to control a legendary dragon? Not to mention, other evil plans in the series revolve around making money, killing loads of people, restructuring the topography of the entire world, and destroying the universe- Plasma's plan just comes off as lame.

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>>28746538
>Like Trump or Lenin

>>28746642
You're missing the point completely. The very thing you're calling 'living peacefully' is the issue he addresses as people lazily going around, sitting in cafes and not actually doing anything. People use Pokemon for transport, people use Pokemon to run electricity. Society is run of technology and people just absorb it all, they don't make use of it to further provide for the world, they selfish take advantage of what's given to them.

You shouldn't have any issue understanding this. You're arguing that a problem you invented not being present makes the problem he explains non-existent.

>>28746667
So you're complaining that a story about something needs to have other stuff in it too because you want it to be something else?
What?

>>28746676
>Character who is set up in game by other characters and technology as a philanthropist and genius inventor who explains his own plans and frustrations which are pretty obvious anyway from interactions with grunts and NPCs doesn't make sense because I want more pointless inventions being mentioned.
That's not how stories work. Something is presented to you in order to get across a message and that's it. You don't need to flesh it out with extra stuff purely to appease a handful of autistic people who want the story to be something else entirely.

>>28746748
Well the kid COULD talk to Pokemon. Kinda special. And he's shown to have other plans in the works.

>>28746748
The dragons were used by the "Heros" of Unova and are the founders. They aren't using the traits to control them. They are using N's things for people to respect him as a leader like the original dragon user. Also N was the champ and that was apart of his plan

Plasma just wanted control of the region

>>28746798
>Villian say X that he's the good guy
>trust him without any doubt or evidence to support him

>>28744746

What do the protagonists say is bad about eternal life? I'm against the idea but I'm interested in what the game has to say

>>28746819
>instead of reading this point or any of the in-depth explanations in this thread, I'll make this nonsense shitpost where I display just how bad I am at reading simple English
What... How did you become like this?.. How is it possible to be this incapable of understanding a simple, basic story?
You do know that the post you made is indicative of the very problem he complains about and cites as his reason to destroy the world, right?

>>28746541
That sounds like it'd become boring

>>28746748
I can't deny that the amount of autism involved in raising N his whole life was pretty stupid. Can't deny that.

Also, like Gen 6 the story makes much less sense in one version

>>28746798
I want it to be better. I just don't think the game has good characters or locations. Why is wanting them to be better making the game something its not? Unless you mean its not good.

>>28746799
As I said, I think that B2W2 redeems the awful plot of the first game, but even then, controlling the region is such a boring goal, and they never even come close to it. Team Rocket was pretty much already in control of Kanto and, to a lesser extent, Johto.

>>28746805
They are using the traits to control them. That's what the Dragons represent, and that's what N had to embody in order to actually control one.

The whole concept of "grand heroes" with legendary dragons was just so off-base in comparison with previous Pokemon games. In previous games, the legendary Pokemon were seen as forces of nature that could barely be controlled. The plot of BW, and even B2W2, kind of cheapens the legendary Pokemon and scales back how powerful they really are.

I mean, we can just agree to disagree, as I said I didn't really want to argue this in the first place. I feel that, just because BW tried to focus the progression of the game around story, doesn't mean the story was necessarily good, at all. It was over-emphasized and really not all that engaging, but again, this is just my opinion.

>>28746825
Nothing at all. Before it is only said that Lysandre's intent is to wipe out people and pokemon.

Literally only at the end after he's beaten does he fire off what energy is left and goes "THIS WILL GRANT YOU ETERNAL LIFE" and the kids all get the fuck out of there.

Which is good because Lysandre is an idiot and the mega ray blasts the place to pieces and buries him under a couple tons of earth and whatever the weapon was made of. Depending on how that version of "eternal life" worked he might be dead too.

>>28746872
What did I miss?

>>28746878
I have no idea how any of the characters are 'bad', they all filled their roles well. A couple of them could have benefited from more appearances - specifically Tierno, Trevor and the entire Pokemon League crew.
Locations wise, I don't see any issue with the region at all.
I feel like the entire game is missing one little part where you talk to the elite 4 Flare member without knowing she's involved and she fills you in on some secret information and that would tidy up the story and make it easier for the Adam Sandler movie sort of audience to digest. And then a post-game AZ quest as well. That would have worked. But it isn't necessary at all.

>>28746954
Either you're "only pretending to be retarded" or you missed the part in lil' Jimmy school were they taught the rest of your class how to read.

I think the real question is how the fuck did Sycamore not catch onto his plan in the first place?

If your friend wanted to make the world a beautiful/better place through firing a massive laser beam, you'd think you'd catch on a little sooner...

>>28746926
Yeah, Johto Team Rocket had a signal that controlled Pokemon and were about to make an army of shiny Gyarados which is pretty fucking badass. Plus they also controlled Sevii. They might actually be the most successful Team.

Also, while I like the BW story, I find it massively overrated

>>28747006
Just preference and opinions. When you, Bianca and Cheren took your first step on Route 1 together, I connected with it. When Lyra calls you just to share her thoughts on her Marill, or her grandparents imply she has a crush on you, I connected with it. When your friends all come together to call you Big A (I named my character Acheflow) I felt like they wanted me to connect with it.

Sane with the region. Stuff like "this base is a converted Ninja hideout so that's why we had the space to build it" and adding the ninja watchtowers adds interesting history to an otherwise boring location that only exists to be a base of operations

Saying "everyone in Lanucosa goes inside every night out of fear of what's at Giant Chasm" and showing it helps paint the legendary as scary, while showing that the town has personality. That was sorely missing from Kalos in my opinion.

>>28746954
Nothing. Most of that chain is ignoring the population problem that got brought up towards the end of it all in favor of trying to make it seem as thought the way the people conducted themselves was the only problem and "It's possible to make something of it, so it's fine."

That one guy somewhere in all the bitching talking about the setting not supporting Big L seemed the closest to swaying me to one side or the other. I remember thinking it was really weird that when I busted through the Power Plant everything seemed fine and they even talked about how whatever advancements they were making was lessening the burden on pokemon or something. Lysandre says it's going to shit, but it's your average comfy pokemon land.

>>28747117
Ah, I get the lack of atmosphere and the soullessness of the games in general, yeah. I feel that whoever directed it was more concerned with the idea and cared less about literally everything else. That and the development problems because of the new engine lead to a mess of a game. There's also all the implied secrets that they've done nothing with. I imagine the entire game was such a sore spot for the team that they decided to make a new region instead of following up on it like they must have initially intended.

It was definitely missing that, yeah. It was very like Gen 1 in that regard, which may have been intentional.

>>28744837
>>28746196

Can someone explain? Is there any hidden gimmick that I don't know about?

>>28747209
You understand me now. I realise I probably wasn't clear with what I meant before.

I do agree that Kalos felt like it was supposed to have more. And yeah, it feels like the ideas themselves should be enough when the execution wasn't. Like the idea of riding Pokemon routes was supposed to he good enough to ignore that it was more tedious than Sinnoh marshland.

It does feel like they wanted to add more, even in this or a follow up. The part of Kalos directly below Lumiose feels noticabely empty, like it was left for a sequel

>>28747381
With the series' transition to (more fully realized) 3D, I feel a lot less text was used to embody the tone and character of the region, and that Game Freak focused on visuals before anything else.

>>28745001
Too bad it's useless, even ingame

>>28744465

His plan was to exterminate everyone except for the "chosen" (basically just Team Flare and a few others, like Professor Sycamore and Maliva) but obviously, it backfired because he didn't have enough power due to the the protag catching Yveltal. The beam was suppose to spread like Buu's Genocide Cannon, but it just went back in his face, and ended up destroying the machine.

It was clearly shown that Lysandre wasn't right in the head, and became increasingly desperate as some kids thwarted every move of his in such a short amount of time.

Doesn't mean that Team Flare isn't the second worst team tho.

>>28747517
This I agree with too. But it did nothing hut hurt the games. Especially since I didn't love the visuals either. They were just adequate

So wich one is the "Canon" version? Y?

>>28744488

>even though you can see the Mega Ring on his finger
>even though Shauna clearly stated that Lysandre had a bond with his Gyarados which is why it was able to mega evolve.

It was to absorb the box legends power since it wasn't in their possession anymore.

>>28747695
I mean, Game Freak treated the transition to 3D as if it were some godsend to the series, it it just shows how old-fashioned (and/or lazy) they really were.

>>28745604
That's literally what he states in game, retard.

>>28744863

Maybe if the game kept the pacing of between the 1st and 2nd gyms throughout the whole game.

>>28747744
I was talking about all the posts, not the very last one at the end of a conversation. Plus that was like 200 comments ago, but that's for helping to explain now, I'm sure we didn't move past this hours ago

>>28747737
Which is why I'm going to wait before calling Alola my favorite region like so many other anons because it really takes more than fully realized 3D to make me like a setting. And the hype for both XY and ORAS made so much people extra mad when the games ended up being meh

>>28744465
The shooting up and then dropping down is just how the laser works. Its pointed straight upwards, how the heck else is it supposed to actually blow things up. You getting away is just you getting away. They couldn't like, actually kill you. He actively says he only had enough power to blow up the base so I don't know why there's confusion there.
>>28746642
I don't think they needed to do this. I believe Lysandre was a great villain (for pokemon) but I don't think the other guy is correct that the issue is that the people being lazy in the coffee shops and shit was what his issue was since it's pretty clear that what he hates is thieves, ruffians, people who steal from others for only themselves, and while being sitting around doing jackshit in a cafe could be reprehensible to some that wasn't the point of lysandre.

I dont think they needed to "show" it just because that's not the mood of Pokemon. The guy was right on the money that they didn't need to because the world is meant to be generally analogous to ours. We recognzie that as an issue in our world so are supposed to know that what he says in issue. On top of that, the characters in the game also acknowledge that it was a real issue even if we never see it. They shouldn't try and make kalos a very shitty place to justify what he wants to do because this is a kid's game. It's supposed to be light and fun. They shouldn't have to make Kalos a hive of scum and villainy to justify his actions when we should naturally be able to parallel his actions to our real world. We aren't supposed to assume the Pokemon world is all sunshine and rainbows, the game just doesn't generally show the shitty parts because that's not what the focus is.

>>28744771

>What the story gets at is that you need to have an open mind, you need to explore, you need to socialise and you need to get the most out of everything/what the game provides. Cutting yourself off will limit your understanding and you'll limit your experience so someone else who has allowed themselves to see more will overcome you.

Isn't that the overall message of Pokemon as a whole?

You're suppose to go around the world, make new friends (either people or animals (or in this case, monsters)), and allow them to help you grow as a person.

>>28748226
But we know the poke on world is supposed to be better than ours. I can't remember where it was stated but it's a decidedly idealized place, with nothing like political conflict or racism or the like present

>>28748304
Because it's a kids game. It doesn't show those things. It's not what the experience of the games is about. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Even if you don't believe that, like I said, your rival ACTUALLY SAYS that what Lysandre says is true, but that the way he wants to deal with it is wrong which obviously it was.

>>28746696
Which makes no fucking sense btw. That's just GF excuse to force lucario onto players.

>>28744899

He wanted to make the Earth, beautiful again.

>>28748376
Because killing everything/one it will not make it a barren wasteland....?

>>28748414
He's being a tard. Lysandre's motivation wasn't literal beauty.

>>28746198
>So Cyrus is insane.
In a way, yes. He's more of an extremist/Control Freak than anything else.

>He stays in the Distortion World
More or less; it's easy to assume that he's now stuck in the distortion world since he's too obsess with removing spirit from existence altogether.

>Pokemon World is back to being great?
It remained the same, yes. While it's true that spirits bring both the bad and good in the world, it beats having it under control of an absolute madman.

>Cyrus hates the world because he hates himself is all I'm getting from that.
Blame it on his parents for making him like that.

>>28748414

"Beautiful World"

>>28748428

Team Flare goal is to create a "beautiful and better" world while making money, eliminating everyone who does not follow their standards.

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>>28744899

From his journals in the labs:

>When I was young, I went on a journey around Kalos with my Pokemon.
>I reached out to help those suffering because they had nothing.
>At first, they were grateful, but eventually, they began to take my help for granted and demand more and more...
>Will fools like these people consume the Kalos region?
>This world is stable and secure.
>So the population of people and Pokemon continues to increase unabated.
>But there is a limit to the amount of money and energy the world is capable of producing.
>Either everything is lost, or only a handful are saved.
>This is something best not left to man...
>I must use a tool of higher power.

>>28748859
>Be a farmer.
>Work hard everyday to make plenty of produce.
>Die in a death ray because some French faggot on the other side of the world is buttmad about some people mooching off him.

What an asshole.

>>28746931

Lol that's fucking ridiculous

>>28749159
>Be a farmer
>My Pokemon do every single thing for me

>>28749159
Well yeah what he wants to do is not supposed to be a nice thing.

>>28748859
Pass laws to controll how many children people can have that change as necessary. Have mandatory vensectimys and what ever the female equivalent is called. Give people that reach the child limit enough time to get the operation and have it change as they need. People who go over the child limit have to pay a tax penalty unless they were adopted.

I don't know how they would get pokemon to do this but I belive they could get humans to.

>>28746931
X is objectively the worst version.

>>28746492
I figured that Lysandre might have been canonically stronger but was toned down for the sake of gameplay.

>>28750856
Fuck off Mao

>>28748859
Malthusian faggot