Riddler Discussion

>>28690903
Did Riddler ever confirm the starter leaks?
If not, you should probably remove it.

>>28690966
Riddler confirmed they were real long ago

>>28690903
It was the answer for a Riddle, he even removed it from the picture. It was the one of the Water Margin character, it was made alltogether with the Monk Staff and the Voice Actor/Anime ones.

>>28691016
Okay, show it then.

>>28690966
Just by putting them in his dex they automatically real.
>>28691027
The monk dude totally forgot, my bad.

>>28690903
>Turns out Oranguru wasn't an answer to a riddle
Are you blind or is your memory failing you?
Oranguru replaced the man with the fan.

>>28691055
That doesnt prove my question at all, anyone could put Picture by Picture of what he'd have posted.
Show me his actually comfirmation.

>>28691027
Yeah, it looked like a Chinese strategist, like Zhuge Liang. The fan that he's always depicted with. That was when I knew Riddler was for real.

>>28690903
So the staff really is for Jangmo-o. Dragon/Fighting confirmed ?

Also, finally he updated it.

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>>28690903
Hmm riddler has made no mention of a dolphin. Possible theories:
>firstly, RiddlerDex doesn't have open slots for all Pokemon, just ones teased in riddles and expected evolutions
>riddler has incomplete information, possibly just access to promotional material and not the game itself
>the dolphin is a tapu
>the dolphin is marshadow
>the dolphin is an Alolan form
>the dolphin is an UB
>the dolphin is wed to some super specific concept that one of the extant riddles alludes to
>there will be future riddles and new spots will be added to the dex accordingly
I think that about covers it

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>>28690903

Oranguru was Zhuge Liang.

>>28691087
Riddler himself is the one that makes the pictures, newfag.

>>28691087
>Riddler got both rugby monkey and oranguru right
Damn.

Wait, when did Riddler hint toward them? Did he hint at them both at the same time?

>>28690903
>3 Fakemon
>5 "riddles" which are trolls
Riddler is simply ebin.
Just like (You).
Stop believing fakes.

>>28691118
Do you think he doesn't do riddles anymore because that is all the pokemon that will be revealed pre launch that aren't part of an evolutionary family already?

>>28691087
Fuck off

>>28691131
No shit, you brainless twat.
However this doesn't prove he made the Pokédex one.
Show me the proof already.

>>28691148
They were among his N# riddles.

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>>28691148
Some time ago, before the trailer with UB-01.

>>28691167
>WAA WAA MOMMA SPOONFEED ME WAA
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3773780366

>>28691164
No, I think he didn't want to put out anymore because he simply didn't have access to it and trying to get it would expose him and that wouldn't be good.

>>28690903
aristotle is Type Null/aether foundation, we've been over this
the dotted line indicates that aether foundation, Type Null and the UBs are all related just as was speculated

So Jangmo-o only has one evolution, meaning it isn't the pseudo-legendary?

>>28691167
He did tho

>>28691167
It's on his fucking thread, google it.

>>28691167
He literally makes the grid and the grayed out pokemon icons in the dex, how dense can you be?

>>28691167
>being this new yet trying to act all cocky
>>28691200
>actually spoonfeeding him

Riddler was never the source nor mentioned the final evolutions

REMOVE THEM FROM THE LIST

>>28691161
Underrated post

>>28691209
How many time must we say it, he doesn't leave spots for things we don't know will evolve. There could be 50 pokemon between Jangmo-o and the staff.

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>>28691032
There you have all his correct riddles + answers so far. You can see in these two threads how we were discussing these last month:

https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/27922819/#q27923923

https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/last/50/28367054/#q28370867

What's that asian girl doing there?

>>28691164
That might be possible if the Riddler only has access to promotional material and information from marketing. Which implies that Aristotle (who might be the third mascot legendary judging from the "dex" positions) will be revealed before instead of after the game's release.

He might also have seen the mid stages. If they look similar to the leaked starter evos, then that might be the reason why he only recently added their art to his "dex". Because if they look similar enough, he would probably figure "Yep, there is no doubt or uncertainty anymore regarding them. They're real from the looks of the middle stages, and I can safely add their artwork to this."

>>28691253
B8

>>28691253
RIDDLER IS THE ONE WHO IS MAKING AND UPDATING THE LIST

>>28691200
There's literally nothing there that proves otherwise.
The burden of proof still remains on you.

Come on.

>>28691284
What the fuck are you smoking? Run google translate on it and click your way to the last few pages of the thread and you will see that he is the one making the grid.

>>28691284
Here's your last (You)

>>28691253
He made the picture himself, he put them there they are real.

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>>28690903
>Toucan isn't part of the Pikipek line
>We're actually getting a genuine toucan
Reveal when?

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>>28690903
Why are UBs there

>>28691319
>>28691321
I still don't see shit.

>>28690903
1. Oranguru is the one that was speculated for Alolan Spiritomb or another Pokémon due to its picture was related to a character who was associated with 108 spirits.

2. UB-01 is associated with Aristotle; for Aether and hyperspace/worm hole. It is put there for dashed line; indicating it /is/ what the riddle is for.

3. UB-02 are confirmed after UB-01, so there is no need for an actual riddle or hint to express their presence.

>>28690903
>Turns out Oranguru wasn't an answer to a riddle
yes it was

you just didn't know all of the riddles

Okay, so then perhaps the Monk is tied to an evolution of Jangmo'o, and then I guess a snow doll maybe the ice/ghost snowman is tied to the one with the doll from darker than black given all the ties to water and snow. Cause it's weird he doesn't mention the snowman anywhere so it's probably is how he ties into them.

And I'm wondering if all the blanked out Pokemon at the bottom are mons who you can get post-game in Alola and the rest of the ones you find normally there. It makes sense given a lot of them fit the themes are overall feel they're trying to give to the game. Just weird they aren't keeping the duos together especially when it would make sense to have Jigglypuff line in Sun, Cleffa in Moon, Braviary in Sun the other in Moon etc. Though I'm curious if any of the listed mons for Kanto get megas cause kinda weird they've only done the full families of Alola mons as mons based on version exclusives except for like Rattata's line.

>>28691284
When you git gud and realize that you were BTFO a long time ago, I hope you're embarrassed about how fucking unwarrantedly arrogant you were being.

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>>28691366
here's some shit for you to see

>>28691376
But if Aristotle had been answered he would have removed him, there is more to that riddle.

>>28691388
Except there isn't baby proof.
Show me it or fuck off.

>>28691055
>Just by putting them in his dex they automatically real
You know, I believe the Riddler as much as the next guy, but that absolute belief is a bit... jarring.

But that's not what I'm here for.

- The khakkhara staff could possibly be Jangmo-o's evo.
- Yin is a Doll, and Yukie Nakama is an actress; this might be alluding to a puppet/puppeteer Pokemon. Or another SM exclusives.
- Aristotle and UB-00 being divided with dotted line instead of sharing a square; this would mean UB-00 is somewhat related to Aristotle, but is still its own... thing. I'm leaning towards the possibility UB-00 is a part of something bigger.

>>28691413
Aristotle isn't necessarily a riddle
notice how it's separated from UB-01 with a dashed line? that likely means UBs (or UB-01 at least) are related to Aristotle, which is very likely referring to Aether Foundation

>>28691421
These guys have shown you more than enough proof. (You) are just a baiting shitposter that wants to keep the denial meme alive. End (You)rself.

>>28691421
You have been given the link to Riddler's posts, look through his whole thread before posting again.
Or better, fuck off, you're not entertaining anyone here.

>>28691449
Yin/yang dolphins water/fairy(bottlenose) and water/dark(orca). Or dolphin and snowman version exclusives. Neatly ties a bow on the Chinese leaks

>>28690903
Bottom greyed out ones are getting megas or alolan forms

>>28691265
>>28691265
>>28691265
pls respond
Is that a riddle? If so, can anyone post the picture here?

>>28691470
Still nowhere in sight.
>>>28691484
>you are mean and we proved it to you!
Except you didn't.
There's jackshit there.

You just have to prove it.

>>28691449
Well, at this point with him having gotten nothing wrong I don't see a reason why I shouldn't believe him.
Has the riddler ever hinted at pokemon, already part of an evolutionary line we know at least one other pokemon?
Was the staff hinted before or after we got Jangmo-o.

>>28691267
Perhaps Aristotle is just meant to represent 'greek'

Which means that Marshadow is a Manticore, a monster from greek mythology.

>>28691535
>>28691198
She is a riddle. Only problem is we stil don't know what it is.

>>28691561
1: click this link http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3773780366?pn=17
2: scroll down to the bottom
3: accept the fact that you are a dense and lazy waste of a human life and that no-one loves you
4: neck yourself

>>28691576
Before. Only once this incomplete dex was made, everyone connected the dots.

>>28691594
It's not like we will know before we see it.

>>28691577
Could be that he's hinting at more than one thing with Aristotle. I think a Manticore would be a good design though.

So a manticore with ties to aether could work.

>>28691630
Just did.
Still got nothing to see.

By the way, I'm not getting registered to your chink website so end your own miserable life.

>>28691630
Why do you keep replying to a blatant shitposter baiting for (You)s? At this point you're being almost as retarded as him.

>>28691577
Actually, the statue and the Marshadow name are seperate from each other. And if it's a manticore, the this could in fact be hinting to Solgaleo and Lunala's pre-evo.

>>28691577
Well a Manticore is 1/3 lion 1/3 bat. Maybe Marshadow isn't a Manticore but the last third of it.

>>28691577
>Manticore
>The manticore (Early Middle Persian Mardyakhor) is a Persian legendary creature similar to the Egyptian sphinx. It has the body of a red lion, a human head with three rows of sharp teeth (like a shark), sometimes bat-like wings, and a trumpet-like voice. Other aspects of the creature vary from story to story. It may be horned, winged, or both. The tail is that of either a dragon or a scorpion, and it may shoot venomous spines to either paralyze or kill its victims. It devours its prey whole and leaves no clothes, bones, or possessions of the prey behind.

>It has the body of a red lion
>sometimes bat-like wings
Wait, Solgaleo and Lunala match these... perhaps Aristotle is the dragon/scorpion remaining?

>>28691681
It must really suck to be this brain damaged, looking at all these people being able to figure out exactly what's going on, but you're just standing there as a lone outsider, forever unable to be part of it due to your parent's unfortunate decision to have a child with their siblings.

>>28690903
Aristole is like mew or celebi.

Any pokemon greyed out or not shown can get a mega or alolan form or cant be caught in game.

>>28691720
But why is it dashed with UB-01? Is it both a UB and the last of the trio?

>>28691577
There's no evidence that Marshadow is related or connected to anything else in that list, including Solgaleo, Lunala, Aristotle and the UBs.

For all we know it could be a completely isolated mythical like Volcanion or Meloetta.

>Aristotle legendary might be a manticore
Oh hell yes please.

Also, remember the rumored pre-evo? Maybe Aristotle legend will be involved in that somehow?

>>28691737
>Can't prove it
>Has to damage control his way out of it
Top kek
Anyway, I found the thing and that's not really any proof until you show me who's the original Riddler.
That thing can easily be manipulated and I'm ashamed to see people fall for such.

>>28691755
>>28691461

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>>28691737
Stop replying to obvious bait. Anon. You're only getting yourself riled up over nothing.

Alolan bulbasaur? Fire grass? Dark grass? Fighting dark?

>>28691766
Seeing that it's after Magearna it's more likely to be an event legend.

>>28690903
>UBs before Magearna in the dex
PLEASE let them be Pokemon. I need my swole skeeter and waifu plankton.

>>28691819
Didn't the chinese leaker outright call Marshadow a MYTHICAL pokemon?

>>28691819
I think some leaker mentioned Marshadow was a mythical

>>28691824
They're not Pokemon, though there's the possibility that they're catchable.

I hope they're catchable. I want Mosquito bro.

>>28691842
Translations can't always be accurate on such small differences. Chinese leaker wasn't solid evidence.

>>28691865

If they're catchable, they're Pokemon. Poke Balls only work on Pokemon.

>>28691814
IIRC the list on the bottom has nothing to do with Alolan forms or the regional dex, I think it just shows pokémon that have appeared in trailers (colored) and other promotional material (grayed out).

>>28691842
Legendaries are called mythical pokémon in Chinese. It's a direct translation.

Toucan confirmed for late game, dammit game freak at least have the snowman be early game.

does nobody else notice that the 3rd legend and UB01 are connected?

Also I wonder when he'll update his list for "?"s for things like Wimpod that are sure to evolve.

>>28691950
3rd legend doesn't necessary need to connect with the other two and we don't know if Aristotle and Lunala are connected themselves.

>>28691913
The greyed ones havent been shown in game or trailors.

Theres also ones not there at all.

>>28690903
>toucan isn't Pikipek3
this doesn't support my headcanon, I refuse to believe it

>>28691950
Only when it's 100% confirmed they do. I think it's because he doesn't know himself some say he has only worked in promotion.

>>28691950
He only uses "?" when it has been officially confirmed. Like the starters and Pikipek having three stages has been shown in the dex, and there being four guardian deities has been mentioned in dialogue.

>>28690903
According to Cresselia (the translator), the riddler also claimed that Drampa, Bruxish, Salandit and Mimikyu are part of a family.

I kinda find hard to believe the Mimikyu stuff, but an evo could potentially be amazing

>>28692042
That would explain why a lot of his stuff comes close to the date trailers are released.

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>>28692001
>The greyed ones havent been shown in game or trailors
They were not explicitly shown, but they were present in some way. Like that poster with a Meganium in a tourist's shirt, the Horsea and Chinchou in that concept art showing a aquarium/museum/hotel, or the Tyranitar comb in pic related.

>>28691498
>dolphin and snowman version exclusives
The version exclusives we have seen are practically the same species however, so I doubt it will go that far.

Hopefully not, at least. There probably will be more shitposting than usual if it is.

>>28692093
Somebody already corrected that in another thread about the riddles and said that he used family for single stage Pokemon like Miltank too so it's not really hinting at their evos. Idk Chinese tho so this is only second hand info that could be entirely incorrect.

>>28692140
Maybe the snowman is paired with the sand castle

>>28692093
This has been disproven many times, he refers to all lines as family, even single-line pokes of older generations.

>>28692093
Wasn't that just a mistranslation/misunderstanding on Cresselia's part?

>>28692093
Actually, if I recall correctly, that was a mistranslation, they aren't actually part of evolutionary family, more "all pokemon are a big family", "ohana" you know.

That doesn't mean they won't have evos/pre-evos do.

Aristotle is either the source of UBs or that Lunala/Solgaleo pre-evolution people have been talking about. If it's the latter I can it somehow using the powers of the UBs in battle in the same way Eevee uses eeveelutions during its Z-move

>>28692161
>>28692174
Gotcha
Chinese is a very weird language, I guess that means nothing then

>>28692181
Yes, the guy even called her out in one of his posts stating that she misinterpreted it.

>>28692114
Ah.

So pokemon not shown can still get a alolan form?

>>28692093
Salandit is pretty obvious tho.

How many new Poison types do we need so that the gen 1 poison types are fewer than all the other gens combined?

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>>28691349
>mfw that anon acrualy was on to something when he claim the Tcan shirt wad going to be a pokemon.

>>28692280
If he has mostly all the info then tha could mean that he knows at least one of these doesn't have family

>>28692306
6 more to equal.

>>28690966
You realize that the Riddler is the one who made the image in the OP, right?

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Salandit's getting an evolution, r-right?

>>28692300
Possibly.

I'm sad that we won't get Alolan Parasect, but at least Victreebell, Golem and the Nidos could still get something.

>>28691842

Yes.

It uses the exact character for them in Japanese and Chinese, 幻, which is distinct from what's used with normal legendaries.

So the facts are:

>It's an event/Mythical Pokemon as confirmed by the Chinese leaker and backed up by Riddler, who places it behind Magearna instead of the mascots in his images (actual 3rd mascot is seemingly represented by an Aristotle bust and related to the UBs and Aether Foundation)
>For some reason it was publicly trademarked with the starters and mascots
>It has unique typing
>Riddler said the secret of Marshadow is already out, you just have to add up all of his posts

>>28692440
There is no way it won't. I just hope the don't decide it should be dragon and change its type.

>>28692504
Do we have a reliable translator to gather every thing the riddler has said in those 17 pages?

>>28691449
For N1:

Yukie Nakama stars in a show called Trick, where she's a fake psychic/magician debunking spiritualists.

And then we have Yin from Darker Than Black, an emotionless Doll that uses water as a medium for her observer spirit/aura.

All of seems to revolve around Psychics and Ghosts and the manipulation possible with that. I wonder what it'll be.

>>28692461
Is there chart for ones who could still get one?

Koffing and arbok?

>>28692396
Buff. It is not going to happen

Are you counting Salandit and at least one evo?

>>28692504
If Riddler gets his info from promotional material, does it suggest that we might have a Victini situation with Marshadow, where it's an early purchase bonus?

>>28692512
Yeah i hope this thing become poison/dragon too.

>>28692567
Literally look at the lower half of OP's image. Everything not listed there has not appeared in any way and and are still in the running.

>>28692569
6 more from today.Not counting anything we don't know.

>>28692615
Wow, GF really dropped Poison hard.

>>28690903
How do I read this?

>we've seen 48 new pokémon so far
>tfw that's almost half of the new pokémon we're probably getting this gen
It's XY all over again

>>28690903
What is this story about Aristotele? Did I miss anything?

>>28692755
>almost half

You mean over half.

>>28692784
Aristotle was the person that suggested Aether as a fifth element. It's a clue for the Aether Foundation.

>>28692755
Gen Vi introduced 32 lines not counting legends. Also showed 40+ mon before release. I am pretty sure we are in a similar situation

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>>28692039
I feel you m8

I cant believw you fags habent put it together yet. Namely, Marshadow IS type: null

>>28692807
The Riddler implied that Lunala's number in the national dex is #820, and considering we still have Aristotle, Magearna and Marshadow after that (and maybe other mythicals as well), we're guaranteed to get at least 102 new pokémon this gen.

>>28692858
Will it be called Toupeck? And will we name it 2Pac?

in the new trailer someone had a shirt with a toucan on it so toucanmon confirmed i guess

>>28692858
But toucans are from the amazon
Then again, they did made a lemur which is from madagascar

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>>28692567
Here

>>28691349
It is Pikipek's evolution.

>>28693046
no

>>28693041
I'm oddly confident about a seaweed Tangela line happening.

>>28693041
>there's still hope for Alolan Rapidash
PLEASE

>>28693046
It isn't look at the OP

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>>28693087
Then the riddler is wrong.

>>28693128
Wasn't pikipek's evolution in a poster in the background somewhere, it still looked like a woodpecker.

>>28693041

wait when did we see Kingler?

>>28693041
Thanks.

>>28693041
Why is gyarados, alakazam, and slowbro lines not marked for havkng megas?

>>28693077
Tangrowth not being a gen 1 mon makes it pretty unlikely for Tangela's to get an Alolan form.

>>28693390
Red line = seen in previews and confirmed no alolan form (includes all pokemon regardless of having a mega or not)

Blue line = not seen in previews but has a mega evolution (which is likely grounds for having no alolan form)

>>28693390
Because they are already confirmed not to get Alola forms, the focus of the chart is Alola forms not megas.

>>28693511
There's no law to say alolan forms are gen 1 only though

>>28693511
Pichu is a Gen 2 mon but Raichu got an Alola form.

>>28691115
I remember a while ago someone was drawing supposed leaks and Jangmo-o's evolution had a tail that resembled a monk staff.
He may have just seen the riddle and guessed, but it would be nice to look for the thread and see if anything comes from it.

>>28693550
The line ends with a Gen I mon. Tangela's doesn't.

>>28690903
Marshadow is Solgaleo and Lunalas pre-evo

>>28693550
Pichu and other babies evolve into Gen 1 pokémon, and we've seen from Pikachu, Exeggcute and Cubone that there's nothing wrong with non-Alolan pokémon evolving into Alolan forms.

But it wouldn't make any fucking sense for an Alolan Tangela to evolve into a regular Tangrowth. And at this point you must be delusional if you think non-Gen 1 pokémon are getting regional forms in SM.

>>28693648
But you're just making up rules you can't possibly verify.

It's unlikely they've strayed too far from gen 1 pokemon, sure, but there's nothing to stop them seeing Tangela and designing an Alolan Form for it and its evolution.

>>28693742
Hell, with 7 lines from Gen 1 getting an Alolan form, it's quite possible that we could still have 4/5 unrevealed Gen 2 Alolan forms that haven't been revealed yet.

>>28693041
So going by this we have:

Still in the run tier
>Arbok
>Nidoqueen/Nidoking
>Clefable
>Venomoth
>Victreebell
>Tentacruel
>Golem
>Rapidash
>Farfetch'd
>Dodrio
>Dewgong
>Muk
>Weezing
>Seaking
>Mr. Mime
>Jynx
>Omastar
>Kabuto

Could go either way tier
>Vileplume

Probably not tier
>Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee

Not muh genwun tier
>Lickitung/Lickilicky
>Rhydon/Rhyperior
>Tangela/Tangrowth

Legendary-tier
>Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres
>Mew

>>28693795
My thoughts:

Doesn't make sense to have fossils getting new forms, or the legendaries. Would they risk a Jynx form after black-gate in Gen 1? And what would you do with a Mr.Mime to alter it? Similarly, the Hitmons (not including Top).How can a pile of radioactive sludge become anything else?

That leaves us...

>Arbok
>Nidoqueen/Nidoking
>Clefable
>Venomoth
>Victreebell
>Tentacruel
>Golem
>Rapidash
>Farfetch'd
>Dodrio
>Dewgong
>Weezing
>Seaking
>Vileplume
>Lickitung
>Rhydon
>Tangela

I would guess that Dodrio and Tangela are likely choices. A cassowary-type thick-footed Fighting/Flying Dodrio. And a Water/Grass seaweed Tangela/Tangrowth.

>>28693893
I'd rule out Tangela since Tangrowth is a Gen 4 mon and they're clearly sticking with Gen 1. I highly doubt they'd give Tangela an Alolan form and have it evolve into a normal Tangrowth.

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>>28690903
What's the reasoning behind the older Pokemon under his list?

>>28693931
Have appeared one way or another to exist in the game.

>>28693893
>Sandshrew, Vulpix and Meowth lines were exclusive to Blue, so was the Bellsprout line
>Arbok, Oddish and Mankey lines were exclusive to Red
I'd like tho say that these guys are the more likely choices, but then we have the Growlithe line (also Red-exclusive) being confirmed not to get alolan forms.

>>28692553
i think it's going to be an idol doll, maybe it will be hawaiian themed or maybe not. but a doll seems to be pretty certain.

>>28694015
Mankey line is also out since Primape was shown in a trailer, unfortunately.

>>28693893
>How can a pile of radioactive sludge become anything else?
You just have to be creative nigga

>>28692595
fuck off dragonfag babby. it needs to stay poison/fire.

>>28694065
Oh yeah you're right

Red-exclusive mons are getting the short end of the stick

>>28694015
Although, if we go with 'counterparts', Mankey should've got a form. But it's ruled out. I guess it's all random based on what they created and liked!

Hope to see Alolan forms for the following:

>Ekans line (Poison/Ground)
>Nidoking/Nidoqueen (Poison/Fighting)
>Venomoth (Bug/Psychic)
>Bellsprout line (Grass/Fire)
>Tentacool line (Water/Electric)
>Golem (Steel/Fire)
>Ponyta line (Fire/Fairy)
>Goldeen line (Water/Steel)

>>28693893
Pile of magma.
Pile of water.
Pile of mud.

Your point invalidated.

>>28693893
>no hula dancer jynx in Hawaiian set game
Dropped

>>28694173
I just meant, based on flavour text of Grimer/Muk (sludge that became radioactive), it seemed hard to make it become something else.

Sure, a pile of magma or sand or mud is possible as a pokemon, but how would it change from radioactive sludge to magma? Doesn't make sense

I guess it could became a dual-type though, as a Poison/??? type, depending on what it interacted with in Alola.

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>>28694178
Seriously if they don't do this then I'll be disappointed.
Just change the skin and hair color and they would be good. Maybe like Redish orange skin and a similar hair color?

>>28694311
I mean, they changed Bellossom from its original Oddish-purple skin colour to green because of the complaint potential.

Would they dare risk making another hula pokemon that's vaguely dark-coloured?

>>28694311
why do we need this when we have bellossom, comfey and pa'u oricorio? they should leave it alone.

>>28692826
I think it means there'll be 5 Ultra Beasts

>>28694297
They would claim that Aloan Grimer and Muk were the ORIGINAL Grimer and Muk and that pollution in the Kanto region caused them to change shape.

>>28693893
Considering Grimer/Muk came to life by X-rays from the moon, I think it'd be neat to have Alolan Grimer/Muk be Moon exclusives with some other Alolan mons being Sun exclusives.

>>28694552
Oooh, interesting idea.

>>28694075
give me one good reason other than "it's unique"

>>28693795
>>28693893
>Meowth/Persian (Dark and Dark/Psychic)
>Koffing/Weezing (Fire)
>Ekans/Arbok (Water)
>Rattata/Raticate (Dark/Normal)
>Sandshrew/Sandslash (Steel/Ice)
>Vulpix/Ninetales (Ice and Ice/Fairy)
>Nidoqueen/Nidoking (Poison/Fighting)
>Grimer/Muk (Ground)
>Tentacool/Tentacruel (Water/Electric)
>Goldeen/Seaking (Water/Ghost)
>Rapidash (Fire/Fairy)
>Venomoth (Bug/Psychic)
>Raichu (Electric/Psychic)
>Exeggutor (Grass/Dragon)
>Marowak (Fire/Ghost)

Please GF

>>28694528
It also fits the planets theory
>UB-01 = Mercury
>UB-02B = Venus
>UB-02A = Mars
>UB-03 = Jupiter
>UB-04 = Saturn

>>28694770
why is that not a good enough reason?

why don't you give a good reason why it should CHANGE types? because it's a lizard? top kek. the onus is on you buttmonkey.

>>28694868
This. 03 can resemble Wicke and 04 Faba.

>>28694904
i wasn't even the first guy

personally i think it should have had split evos of both typings

but to answer your question it could evolve into a komodo dragon and it already learns dragon rage

besides, then it would have a stab that appreciates corrosion instead of making it kind of useless

>>28694994
>komodo dragon
>HAS to be a dragon

literally fuck off. not all lizards have to be dragons. you posted a cocky as shit reply yet have nothing to back that opinion with other than "muh komodo dragon!!" which doesn't have to be a dragon at all.

>>28691382
The mons at the bottom are previous gen mons that are in the Alola dex. The colored in ones have been revealed in trailers or other promotional material and the greyed out ones haven't been officially shown, but hinted at.
For instance, Krabby, Horsea, and chinchao appear on the water hotel, but haven't been shown in battle yet.
As for missing counterparts, the list at the bottom updates just as the Alolan dex does. We probably just haven't seen them yet.

>>28695120
well it doesn't have to be, but i wouldn't hate it if it became a dragon

if it became poison/dragon people like you would shit on it just for not being poison/fire

also you didn't address it being better with corrosion competitively and the fact it learns dragon rage, a move that only one pokemon not associated with the dragon type in any way learns

>>28691498
>yin/yang dolphins
Steve Jobs once said "people don't know what they want until you show it to them"

>>28691204
Then why is it still there as Aristotle rather than being replaced by Type Null or the Aether logo?

>>28693041
Why not use the one the Riddler posted?

What is even the point of the Riddler leaks? We never know what they're hinting at until after official announcements.

Is your life improved somehow by knowing there possibly is a Pokemon that's maybe based on a toucan perhaps?

>>28695923
He held us confirm speculation and he also gave us an idea of how many Pokemon there might be in the region so I say he is a better than average leaker.

>>28695250
yeah no shit i would hate on it if it became poison/dragon. why drop a unique typing that nothing else has for one that's already been done?

and i couldn't give two shits whether a typing is better competitively. if that was all that mattered the game would be bland as fuck.

>dragon rage
yeah and you know it's possible they are just trying to branch some moves out instead of being restrictive?

>>28697485
it is

but honestly i just hate people like you who shit on mons over unique typings, besides it would be different than dragalge who was more water-based than fire-based

but oh wait only typing matters

if salandit's evolution had the same stats, same moves, same design, same ability but you'd love it as poison/fire but hate it as poison/dragon you need to sit down and realize how obsessed you are with the fucking typing.

emboar isn't the same as infernape

mantine isn't the same as gyarados

probopass isn't the same as aggron

but they must be the same shit, their typing is the same

fuck you and fuck everyone obsessed with unique typings, i don't even care about what salandit's typing becomes, i just hate people like you

with that said, branching out dragon rage distrobution is cool

>>28691118
>the dolphin is marshadow
That does jive with one of Gnoggin's theories, specifically the one that the pokemon anime company copyright flagged despite it not containin anything but him talking to the camera.

Sounds plausible.

Has he actually confirmed the amount of new pokemon this gen?

>>28697428
and how many is that?

>>28697871
100+

>>28698078
That's every region nigga

>>28698319
>every region
>Kalos
>71+

>>28698389
Kalos has ~450 pokemon in the region.

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This is from the Riddler, too, isn't it?

>>28698429
That is someone else's leak from here but he said (correct me if I'm wrong) it was important.

>>28698486
There was that one post leak I know, which this leak references, but I was under the impression that this was him directly. I think he said some of it was real and some of it was fake.

>>28698530
I'm pretty sure that was the one that had the thing about Oak returning and the Dolphin with yellow sacks on it.

>>28697428
>confirm speculation
But "confirming" there's an Ice/Ghost snowman is meaningless. They're just words which are largely irrelevant until you actually see the Pokemon.
>how many Pokemon
Yet you say "100+" which is about as vague as you can get. Again, it's completely meaningless until the game is released and we get a confirmed number.

>>28698570
No, he's referring to the post that mentioned Lusamine being Lillie's mom and Solgaleo/Lunala's Pre-Evolution.

>>28698404
Sorry, didn't realize Kalos had ~450 NEW pokemon. Learn to read.

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Ok, I'm going to set the record straight because people still seem to be confused on what the list of pokemon on the bottom mean.
They're simply mons from the previous gens that are confirmed to be in Alola. The colored in ones have been shown clearly in battle or the overworld and such. The greyed out ones AREN'T confirmed for Alolan forms or megas (Doesn't necessarily exclude them from Alola forms though). It simply means that we haven't seem them officaially and currently only have hints.
Pic related shows how each of the mons has been hinted at in pokedex order.
Venusaur, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr are there because the other starters of that gen are.
I can't find Weavile or Lumineon families though. There is one sign on the water hotel that I can't see clearly and maybe Waevile/Sneasel are represented through clothes that I didn't make the connection to.

>>28700578
I wouldn't add a lot of those based off just items and shirt patterns. Seems like stretching it.

>>28698429
This is actually from the leaker, yes. He made mention to another post here and said some of it was right, some of it was false. The info he presented is like that, too, such as Passimian being Fighting instead of Ground/Fighting.

>>28692114
speaking of, isnt that mega t-tar?
doesnt this confirm megas

Since Marshadow was trademarked at the same time as the cover legendaries, people automatically jumped to the conclusion that it was the third member of their trio. For the last three generations, the cover legendaries have both starred in a movie alongside a random event Pokemon (Darkrai, Victini, and Diancie). Given that the leakers keep calling it a mythical Pokemon, maybe Laluna, Solageo, and Marshadow are all going to be headlining the next movie, and they were trademarked early because of legal reasons involving the pre-production of the movie?

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>>28701148
The Riddler himself points them out

Bump for interest

>>28699130
Nobody said "new" Pokemon.

>Learn to read.
Follow your own advice.

I still cany believe vp is so heated about a guy who dont even posts leaks but does some riddles that dont mean shit untill the reveals which we have every few days anyway

Why wont he say something that is a real leak for change? Whats the point of this bullshit

I feel like putting a picture of a toucan after everyone has speculated a toucan from the shirt is a cop out.

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>Catchable UBs
>So few Pokémon with evolutions

Say it ain't so.

>>28703803
Idk about the UBs but the evolution chart gets update based on trailers (like when they show Pokedex entries with unfilled spaces) so most of these Pokemon will probably evolve.

>>28703054
speculation is fun

>>28703054
Because if he actually said the stuff he'll be in trouble with his company for violating his contract. Doing it in the form of riddles is a clever way of circumventing it.

use ur head ffs

>>28703054
It's boring to just leak right away. Just from that dex he posted, we can get a lot of new things.
Like why is Jangmo-o so far from the legendaries if it's a pseudo.

>>28704578
>Like why is Jangmo-o so far from the legendaries if it's a pseudo.
There's nothing really saying it's a psuedo. We didn't know about Beldum, Bagon, Gible, Deino, or Goomy until the games themselves leaked.

We did, however, know about Lucario, Axew and Noivern. All of whom turned out not to be the psuedos like people thought they would be.

>>28704578
>>28704498
But he gives you NOTHING. You wont even realize what he mean untill the reveal

Whats the point of that Battle Frontier chick? Nobody knows because its too stupid to even speculae about it

>>28704683
you can't be this retarded, anon.

>>28703085
It was a new hint/kinda reveal. Why wouldn't he include it ?

>>28704864
He's right though. The riddles are completely pointless.

>>28704887
how are the riddles pointless though?
see>>28691264

>>28704894
Because we still have no clue what they mean until the official reveal. We just went through this.

At best, it's a way for this riddler guy to say 'look, I knew stuff before you' after the stuff is revealed.

>>28704683
Do you not enjoy the speculation and guesswork around the riddles? The ponderings over what the new pokemon could possibly be? And the 'aha!" moment when a new reveal matches a riddle?

I think it's fun to generate discussion and make guesses, rather than a full-on leak of info that will spoil every trailer from here to the game release.

>>28704906
agreed

>>28704906
This basically.

>>28704901
>At best, it's a way for this riddler guy to say 'look, I knew stuff before you' after the stuff is revealed.

But that's why people are interested in him in the first place and it's better than the people that make giant ass lists and say "screencap this" or "Ask me anything" only for it to be proven BS days later after getting people excited.

>>28704906
But it's so damn vague that we don't really have any more idea than we did before he posts. The only one on there that isn't vague as fuck is the toucan and that was leaked by a trailer.

>>28704941
So people are just looking for some guy to look smugly down on them from a position of superior knowledge? Not buying it.

>>28704906
>And the 'aha!" moment when a new reveal matches a riddle?
This is pretty much the only thing you can do.

The riddles only serve the purpose of showing that he knows the information. You can't actually glean anything from it except "maybe it's a monkey that plays football".

People can theorise all they want about what Aristotle is supposed to mean but none of them will really have any idea at all until it gets revealed and everyone can see retroactively.

I said this before and I'll say it again: riddle leaker is showing you guys info that can only make sense in hindsight, and is only doing this shit for attention.
He's a smug asshole who wants to wave around the fact that he knows things no one else does while you all play manic guessing games for his amusement. You're being played for someone's ego trip.

>>28705059
I'm cool with that.
Dude gets an ego trip, we get some direction with our theory crafting instead of stabbing in the complete darkness. fair trade.

>>28705059
>>28704950

Sounds like you're projecting a lot onto him

>>28705089
The fuck do you think projecting even means?

>>28705059
That may be true, but hey at least it's SOMETHING. It's better then being left in the dark and running around like blind people.

>>28705059
And? It's fun and he's fueling our sense of curiosity. I don't think anybody cares if its an ego trip as long as we're still getting hints of new info.

>>28705059
I'm having fun speculating, I don't care what he does.

>>28704958
Ask yourself - do you really want to know all his info in advance? Would you prefer he dumped all the info about Mimikyu, Passimian, etc. in one infodump?

It would've ruined the trailer reveals.

This way, we get some fun speculation and people can see if their guesses were on the right track. Maybe you don't like that idea, and that's fine. But I think it's interesting.

>>28705098

Assuming things about someone's personality like them being a smug asshole who wants to be superior to others, without any real proof, because they know they would feel/do the same if they were in his position

>>28705104
Has anyone correctly guessed anything from his riddles, without another leaker providing additional information? Because if not, it's not really any better than guessing wildly.

>>28705123
You're either wrong, or you're right and suffer from a complete lack of self-awareness.

>>28705123
Or it's a common, clichéd assumption.

>>28705128
I mean, the rugby monkey thing has been mentioned for weeks and weeks.

>>28705145
Mentioned in another leak, so no, it was not guessed from his riddles.

>>28705128
Like I said, at least he gives us clues instead of dumping everything and it's fun to speculate. We may not know it now, but when it's later on revealed, we can then see who came the closest to solving the riddle. And personally it's better then revealing absolutely everything at once, it gives us info, but enough place to wildly speculate on what might be left and therefore it still keeps an elemenylt of surprise.

>>28705160
So you want leaks, but you don't want those leaks to actually reveal anything at all?

>>28705160
>it gives us info

Except it doesn't, that's my whole point. Nothing he's teased can be taken to a correct conclusion until after the reveal. You're not gaining anything from his leaks because you don't know anything about the game until it's officially revealed, and you'd have know it then with it without his riddles.

>>28705178
Please read again what I said. It gives us info, but it's still vague enough to not be spoonfed straight off the bat and let speculation come in.

Plus, like I said, it's better then dumping a full paragraph of info that looses quickly its surprise factor. What would you prefer ? For me to tell you like some or half of the new content and let you speculate what is left and be surprised when everything gets revealed ? Or just write down three pages of information and spoil absolutely everything ?

>>28705214
Riddler doesn't 'give you some and let you speculate on the rest', he just gives you nothing.

>>28705214
Also you might want to consider that there's a middle ground between revealing nothing and revealing everything. The actual leaks we've had which seem accurate so far still leave almost everything about the game out.

>>28705232
>he gives you nothing
If stuff like this is "nothing" in your eyes, then no wonder you want to be spoonfed absolutely everything.

>>28705202
Riddler bridges the gap between information days, he gives us things to talk about when there are no news. Do you think fake leaks and corocoro's promises are enough to keep hype going, they cause frustration, there is some satisfaction when a riddle is answered.

>>28705267
Anon, vague 'clues' that cannot be taken to a correct conclusion are not leaks.

Seriously, if you can show me a single example of someone correctly guessing the answer to his riddle based purely on said riddle, I will accept that these 'leaks' are not completely useless.

>>28705288
We could talk about random guesses and it'd be just as likely to be accurate.

Asking stuff like:

"How many professors are in Alola, 1 or 2 or 3 or 4?"

Seems like more than nothing to me since everyone knows what he is getting at.

>>28705292
No one here refers to the riddler as a leaker, or his riddles as leaks.
The most recent example is people guessing Aether from the Aristotle bust.

>>28705292
Well if this is useless info for you, then why are you even here ?

>>28705352
I was hoping someone would be able to explain to me why everyone is feeding to this riddler guy's ego trip and acting like he's the second coming of Jesus, but they haven't been able to.

Never mind, I'll leave now, you can all go back to wildly guessing in peace.

>>28690903
What if the leaked starters pics are just a way to say the starters are indeed based on an archer, wrestler and siren without those specific ones being real?

>>28705456
That'd be fine by me honestly, I like these general concepts as much as I like the Pokemon themselves so as long as they keep Litten's belt for cooking I'll still be happy.

>>28705375

Thanks.

Haven't followed many leakers/leak threads, who exactly is this guy? He seems to be far more credible than other people, at least.

>>28705553
He's John Gamefreak himself.

>>28705553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkdr5agBghY

>>28705553
Is your life only the Pokemon go general and the waifu threads. He along with the chinese leaker are the only legit leakers. He only post hints for us to speculate on.

So is Riddler's profile picture of Colress a riddle?

>>28690903
the voice actress one straight up confuses me, is it a new mon or an evolution to an older one?

>>28705726
Nothing says it's connected to Oranguru, I say new.
>>28705721
Possibly, since I think he updated it recently.

>>28705375
The only reason why people take him more seriously is because the info he gives is actually true. It's not a fake leak.

Of course, according to your argument if a leak doesn't directly give you info it's worthless, but having something legit that you can't guess is better than having nothing at all.

>>28704662
Axew was gen5's pseudo nigga

>>28706348
>having something legit that you can't guess is better than having nothing at all.
>knowing someone else has legit info is better than nothing at all

We already know the people who work on the games know shit we don't.

>>28708529
No

>>28708529
Hydreigon. Do you know anything about Pokemon?

>>28708994
They both were. Just like Salamence and Metagross were both gen3's pseudo.

>>28709901
Metagross isn't pseudo, it has to be dragon

>>28709947
>what is Tyranitar

>>28709947
T-tar isn't dragon and it's a pseudo.

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>>28709947

>>28709901
Metagross and Salamence both have 600bst. Haxorus doesn't.

>only on space after Jangmo-o
>no space after salandit
>pikipek gets 2 spaces though

Yeah he's wrong

>>28709970
>>28709990
It's a dragon, it's just not dragon-type.

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>>28710036
How's the fishing going? Looks like you almost caught some.

>>28710036
Nigga how does that even make sense? How can you be a dragon but not a dragon?

>>28710056
Charizard, Gyarados should I name more?

>>28710056
Ask Charizard and Gyarados.

>>28710097
>>28710115
Charizard X is dragon

>>28708529
>>28709901
>>28709947
Oh good lord, the retards are out in force today.

Alright fine, I get it, T-tar counts, so I guess it does have to be a dragon-like pokemon then. Which means you're right Metagross isn't one. Weird. I've been wrong all this time.

>>28710026
He only adds a (?) if the pokémon's evolution has been confirmed or at least hinted in some way.

Things like Morelul and Wimpod will almost certainly evolve, but we can't be 100% sure yet, while the existence of evolutions for the starters, Pikipek and Alolan Meowth, as well as the existence of 3 other Tapu Koko clones, have been confirmed in trailers and other official material.

Also, we still don't know if the staff has anything to do with Jangmo-o. It could be one of its evolutions, but they could also be completely unrelated.

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THE ARISTOTLE LEGENDARY

>>28708529
>>28709901
>>28709947
>>28710036
If this is not bait, then I want to know how are you still alive if you're THIS brain dead.

>>28691577
There was a speculation thread the other day talking about how Marshadow having a unique typing, Marshadow being part of the box legendary trio, and Sol/Luna having a shared pre-evo could all be connected.

The shared pre-evo is a psychic type manticore, which can evolve into any of the 3 of them. All 3 evolutions have Psychic as their primary type, and become one of the 3 animals that make up a manticore.

Psychic/Steel Lion, Psychic/Dark Bat, and Psychic/Poison Scorpion.

>>28697591
yeah except the difference here is you're wanting to change a unique type into an already done one. which is a big difference to the examples you give, which either already start as the same type or change from a pure type and go into a dual type. i have no problem with existing types being done again, but not by dropping a cool new combination.

if you're too retarded to understand that and just want to jerk your dragon fetish then that's your problem. you've made it pretty clear you're just a dragon babby.

>>28697591
Jesus what's your problem mate

>>28712198
okay i sucked at making it clear that i basically only started this because i hate the idea that only the type matters

i don't care if it's poison/fire or poison/dragon i'd like both

i just think it shouldn't be shat on over typing if its evolution somehow managed to have an amazing design but end up poison/dragon

don't even have a dragon fetish cause i wouldn't even be mad at all if it stayed poison/fire, it just pisses me off that people out there will shit on a potentially good design if it changes just because it wasn't unique anymore even if it ends up playing nothing like dragalge in both single and multiplayer

I made this thread yesterday and holy shit has it derailed. Let it die already.

>>28705456
I don't expect anyone to be that clever/obtuse

>>28691885
What if you use ultballs instead?

>>28690903
>no Salandit evo

RRRRRRRREEEEEEEE

>>28713587
Dumb REEEEE poster.