>already banned by Smogon FUCKING KEK

>>28662203
wat

>a pokemon only usable in doubles banned by smogon
???

NO YOULL NEVER MAKE AN OU OUT OF ME

OH MY OG I WAS WRONG
IT WAS DOUBLES ALL ALONG

Sauce op?

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>>28662203
>Caring about Smogon
Top jej

>>28662399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maRanuCqY64

>>28662265
this

>>28662203
It'll be RU at best

>>28662446
His ass.

>>28662608
But high tier (probably B or B+) in Smogon Doubles.

>Gyarados uses Hyper Beam!
>Oranguru uses Instruct
>???

You think it would hyper beam again?

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>>28662399
>99
It really was doubles all along.

shitmogon amiriteguyz

>>28662265
t-b.h smogon has a doubles format as well

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>>28662203
this generation is what will finally kill smogon.
Horray for freedom once more!

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>>28662687
>special Gyarados

>>28663107
In what way?

>Smogon
Found your problem

>>28663161
all the pokemon that keep getting revealed are super overpowered compared to past generations. smogon will ban half of this generation. people will stop taking smogon seriously so they can just enjoy the fucking competitive scene without being reduced to a hand full of "smogon approved" mons. smogon is over if it makes this mistake

>>28663264
>smogon will ban half of this generation
Or maybe the old OU pokemon will just go UU, like in every generation.

>>28662203
Isn't smogon mainly OU solo battles?
This will likely fuck up VGC, smogon will be just fine I think.

>>28662699
fug

>>28663264
>all the pokemon that keep getting revealed are super overpowered compared to past generations

Not really. You sound like someone who doesn't know anything about competitive and likes to shit on Smogon because you heard that they "banned" your favorite Pokémon.

>>28662203
Source? I doubt they would ban it that fast

>>28662608
I expect BL2

I don't get it, how is Instruct any different from Encore? How is that banworthy?

>>28662265
It has other moves too right?
So just get rid of that signature move.

>>28663264

>all the pokemon that keep getting revealed are super overpowered compared to past generations

Oh really? Name one.

>>28663459
1. The target Pokemon isn't locked into that move for several turns.
2. The target Pokemon gets to use that same move twice in one turn.

They're completely different. Use your brain.

>>28663459
>I don't get it, how is Instruct any different from Encore?
In every possible way.
Encore: force the opponent to use one move
Orangutan's move: let your companion repeat its attack in the same turn.
>How is that banworthy?
It's not, OP is making shit up.

>>28662265
Smogon doubles is still more fun than VGC.

>Bisharp used Swords Dance!
>the opposing Oranguru used Instruct!
>Bisharp used Swords Dance!

Uh, thanks?

>>28663459
Instruct is double battle focused.

Encore causes the Pokemon to use the same move over multiple turns.

Instruct essentially allows Oranguru to 'give' its turn to its partner, which then uses the same move it used before again in that same turn.

>>28663516
All of them, dumb piece of shit

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>>28663565
>missing the point entirely
>Swords Dance Bisharp in Doubles

>>28663572
Lurantis sure looks threatening, it might even be stronger than the mighty Leafeon.

>>28663572

Care to demonstrate some specific ones?

>>28663616
>OP talks about Smogon
>doubles

I know they have a doubles ladder but it's not like that's where most of the ban shit comes from.

>>28663644
Wishiwashi is outright supposed to be stronger than Gyarados

>>28663715
gyarados is not completely useless when >50% hp

>>28663715
Being stronger than Gyarados isn't really a great achievement, also Pokedex descriptions don't represent the actual gameplay.

>>28663516
Pyukumuku or whatever its name is. Switch into any strong attack for a free, unavoidable K.O. The rest only seem OP in doubles, which should be fine for smogon but will probably turn VGC into an oranguru-colored joke.

>>28663715

And? Its ability is also Defeatist 2.0.

>>28663758
Anon asked for specific examples of Gen7 Pokemon outperforming Gen 1 Pokemon, goalpost-kun. And we don't have fucking gameplay, the games aren't out yet.

>>28663788
>Substitute twice
>Sweep the shit out of everything

It's not hard, anon.

>>28663812
>we don't have fucking gameplay, the games aren't out yet
This is why saying that it will be better than Gyarados is baseless.

>>28663829
Why do this gimmicky shit when you can use a sweeper that's actually reliable, has a real ability and four moves?

>>28663565
>Xerneas used Geomancy!
>the opposing Oranguru used instruct!
>Xerneas used Geomancy!
>Xerneas is charging!
Kek

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>>28662399

>>28663891
Deoxys-level base sp. atk, maybe?

>Oranguru used Instruct on M-Kang!
VGC doubles is fucked.

>>28662203
you've got to be fucking kidding me

>>28663856
The fact is, they said Wishiwashi is supposed to be stronger than Gyarados. This is the only thing we have to base their respective power levels on, and it's pointing to the new Pokemon being stronger than their counterparts.

>>28663965
>Oranguru acting as a father figure to the baby Kang

>>28662203
I don't believe it because Smogon doesn't care about doubles enough to be that fast.

>>28663161
They will receive a Cease and Desist letter from GF.

>>28664030
What would they ban it from when the metagame doesn't even exist?
Besides, Smogon Doubles is well balanced.

>>28663965
>Implying that it isn't already fucked thanks to PRIMALS OF HEALTHY META

>>28663990
Here's a thought
maybe we could not sit here and spout baseless retarded opinions and just hold off on deciding until we can actually play with the pokemon

>>28663965
>mega kang used power up punch!
>oranguru used instruct!
>mega kang used power up punch!
rip everything

>>28662203
Dicks out for Oranguru

>>28663829
you realize it's the opposite, right? at <50% it goes out of school form and back to solo

>>28664032
I fucking wish.

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>>28663965
>power up punch x 4
Jebus crist.

>>28664101
And then mega Kang got double targeted and died.

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>>28662203
hoyl shitt

>>28663776
>See Pyukumuku on enemy team
>Don't play like a giant moron

Alternately
>Opponent dedicates an entire slot to MAYBE dropping exactly one pokemon if all the proper variables are in place
>OP

>all these casual fags missing the entire point of smogon

All of my topu kekus

>>28664132
I see, I see. I guess we'll just have to see how fast it is, because it's got insane Sp. Atk, I hope it'll have enough speed to back it up.

>>28664273
>Instagib a setupmon
>Not great

Anon, you just don't get how good this thing will be. assuming it has enough HP

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>>28664277
Because you'd much rather prefer being told what to do by a bunch of Jews who have no real power over the game?

Oranguru proves once and for all pic related.

>>28664377
What are they telling me to do exactly?

>>28664010
That...actually sounds pretty cute. Hope they have the same egg group then.

>>28664377
No you legit retard.I play smogon because i don't like my whole team going asleep. I use whatever mons I like the most apart from Ubers in OU because it's fun and I don't care about losing/winning.

>>28662399
observed

>>28664377
>Providing guidelines to balance the game from ridiculously broken unfairness is being told what to do by a bunch of jews

You know you can play however you like, right? You don't HAVE to follow the guidelines.

>>28662687
Choice specs porygon-Z adaptability hyper beam.

>>28663616
You can still get away with shit like Boosting Bisharp in Doubles if you lead Fake-Out.

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>>28664450
Your daily reminder that smogon can't handle this poke

>>28664610
That one guy with 6 arceus couldn't handle that Pokemon. Moody is the epitome of bad game design, at least from a competitive standpoint. Just stall and you'll be completely indestructible.

>>28663264
>people will stop taking smogon seriously so they can just enjoy the fucking competitive scene without being reduced to a hand full of "smogon approved" mons.
This argument is brought up a lot, why do people think this? If anything, isn't it easier to use your favorite pokemon in a smogon format because they are tiered with pokemon of similar viability?

>>28664610
>>28664663
>only two pokemon are banned from the banned list pokemon for being to OP
>one is an ancient dragon whose power dwarfs titans that shape the earth
>the other is a small annoying beaver
If there isn't a comic about this there should be.

Why is this guy so broken?

>>28662399
shieeeeeeet

> pokemon uses z-move
> opponent uses encore
What do you think it will happen? Pretty sure encore will just fail, but still

>>28665269
>Pretty sure encore will just fail
This.

>>28664101
>hitmontop used fake out!
>M-Kangaskhan Flinched!
>Oranguru used Instruct!
>But it failed!
>Landorus probably used its Z-move or something at this point because you're playing doubles and Landorus is probably going to murder that Kangaskhan

>>28663572

>tfw when they can't name even one pokemon to support their argument

Actual autism. Congratz

>there are fags that still obey Smogon like a little bitch

>>28664663
How did a Bibarel stall long enough to sweep 6 Arceus?

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>>28664542
>sheer force feraligatr with wave incense
>waterfall

>>28665628
Moody

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>combine with Serene Grace Togekiss with Air Slash
>perma-flinch your opponent to death

>>28665269
Maybe the opponent gets locked into their Z move but it just keeps failing

>>28663571
>telepathy
>choice surf/eq etc twice in one turn

THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN

>>28664076
that is only every 4th year tho

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>>28665737

>>28665633
252 Atk Life Orb Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Bibarel: 243-289 (67.1 - 79.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

How did it survive long enough to get evasion high enough to survive?

>>28665737
>>28666557
Oranguru seems extremely slow, so I don't see it causing any flinches to anything with average speed or faster.

If you're facing a slow stall team then it'd be useful.

>>28667463
Leftovers with protect substitute cycling

>>28665630
why use wave incense when you have a life orb

>>28662265
I'm betting you can use it in one on one just fine, and it happens on the switch out.

>>28662203
Why the fuck would he if they don't know how the new meta plays out? That's just dumb

>>28665737
oh no.

>>28663459
Instruct (I'm assuming so don't take my word for it) is only meant for Double Battles.

Your teammate will use any move it has, using up their turn. When you use Instruct, it makes your teammate attack again, using your turn.

This coupled with Telepathy will make Oranguru unstoppable in Doubles.

>>28662203
Does anybody give a shit about Smogon Doubles?

>>28667851

Instruct is a move, not an ability. Unless you're talking about Receiver, which Oranguru doesn't have.

>>28662203
Just use Taunt

>>28668840
I do. It's a lot better balanced than VGC doubles. I actually see variety in it.

>>28667463
>>28667563 this, also evasion boosts.

>>28667562
Stall doesn't exist in doubles

>>28668840
It's my favorite meta desu
Singles gets stale, it's also nice to play a meta without a shit ton of clauses and bans

>>28669091
http://battlespotstats.com/ great variety

>>28665737
>Skill Link Cinccino with Tail Slap
>Kings Rock adds a 10% chance to flinch per hit
>Instruct
>literally 100% flinch chance on a 187 BP move

>>28669260
He's talking about Smogon, you clod

>>28669411
>literally 100% flinch chance on a 187 BP move
That's not how probability works you dip
It's actually only about a 65% chance

10% chance of flinching = 90% chance of not flinching = 0.9
It hits 10 times so 0.9^10 = 0.35 = 35% chance of not flinching after 10 hits = 65% chance of flinching on at least one of the hits

What if you pair a really slow Oranguru with a subpuncher?

>>28663102
But nobody plays it because the important double format is VGC and Smogon bans there would be retarded.

>>28669961
Doubles has different bans than Singles

>>28669815
which is why Togekiss or Shaymin work better, as you get a 84% chance to flinch opponent

87% if you slap a King's Rock in there as well

>>28670002
King's Rock doesn't affect moves that already have flinch chance.

So I guess this means we're never getting a genuine gorilla Pokemon right?

>azumarill uses belly drum
>oranguru uses instruct
>azumaril uses belly drum

>>28662699
Jabberwocky!!

Fancy seeing her here XD

>>28670096
>dies
can you target enemy pokemon too?

>>28664778
Taunt can counter it

But thanks to telepathy, it causes mind games as to whether it would Instruct, do a damage move, or protect itself from being focused

So yeah, it's ridiculous

>>28670205
>what are EVs

>>28669589

>Megas
>In Sun and Moon

>>28663107
>Lets make freedom by taking away options from players
>Lets make freedom by forcing people to play VGC
>Lets make freedom by removing tiers and making shitmons absolutely unusable

Anti-Smogonfags are this retarded.

>>28663264

>i dont know anything about smogon

>>28670079
>genuine
You mean my mom's gorilla?

>>28670353
>bad opinions
>in this thread

>>28663616
Still, double SD or NP in one turn is pretty damn scary

>>28663636
DON'T YOU DARE SHITTALK LEAFEON YOU (shit, what was the stock insult again? Oh, I remember) REDDIT PIECE OF SHIT

>>28670899
> (shit, what was the stock insult again? Oh, I remember)
Wow this is the most reddit thing I've seen in someone's posts in months.

>>28670954
XD Check 'em!

>>28671000
Checked.

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>>28671000
So...this is the power...of Reddit.

Woah

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>>28664542
>choice band slaking used giga impact!

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>>28663107
>John Smogon always puts a gun at my head and forces me to play like he wants

>>28663107

>tfw anon doesn't realise smogon actually allows for more freedom than the normal game
>tfw anon doesn't realise that dominant strategy will always be in effect and some movesets and EVs will always be more effective than others.

>>28671000
The most glorious shitpost currently on this board.

What exactly does Instruct do? Make the target use the previously used move again for free?

>>28670288
so your entire team relies on not losing 1 HP on the first turn. And you can still only kill one enemy on your second turn, so you're guaranteed dead

Anon..

>>28664010
>My wife's son

did no one notice that Sash Eevee is guaranteed to Baton Pass +2 in every stat?

>>28671942
Machop used Mach Punch!

>>28672124
>the every Poke has priority meme

>>28671805
Yes. And it happens immediately.

>>28671942
It needs to hold the Z Crystal

>>28670096
>>28670288
>>28671866
>first BD maxes attack
>due to Att being already maxed, second one fails

Come on anons, wasn't that hard

>>28662399
my nigga harambe at it again

>>28663107
>this generation is what will finally kill statistical analysis
>this generation is what will finally kill strategizing more than one turn ahead of time
>this generation is what will finally kill people playing pokemon competitively
>this generation is what will finally kill skill

Threadly reminder that in the sum total recorded history of /vp/ there has not ever at any given time been posted any proof that a karenfag has graduated highschool.

>>28670110
What the fuck are you on about?

>>28671471
more like its the only non shitpost on this shit board

lol competitive who gives a fuck
it was always imbalanced with smogonfags trying to create some semblance of balance out of the whole mess

>>28672190
Huh. That sounds pretty powerful.

How common are double/tripple battles anyway, though? I don't really ever hear about them competitively and there's only been four in the story mode of X so far.

Or is it like monkeymon can set up an Instruct on something that has just used a move and switched to him or vice versa?

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>>28672630
Let me guess...
>there is a small amount of actual RNG that can't be influenced, therefor a game can never be played competitively!

>>28664377
Oranguru isn't banned you stupid fucking autist.

This thread just proves once and for all that /vp/ literally has no idea what it's talking about when it comes to not only Smogon, but even competitive Pokemon in general.

>>28663107
is
is that that anime drawing of mabel