G E N 1 P A N D E R I N G

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>>28649614
mfw no alolan forms of anything but genwun shitties

>focusing on only giving forms to the best designs and most popular gen

I don't see the problem.

>>28649726
If we're being real, Gen 1 mons need these a chance at being salvageable the most due to the power creep.
I'm not saying other mons don't deserve it or that giving only Gen 1 mons Alolan forms isn't retarded, but it makes sense from a gameplay standpoint.

>>28649757
Except Gen V is the most popular gen and rightfully so since it's easily the best.

>>28649757
>focusing on only giving forms to the most boring and uninspired gen

ftfy
and yeah, Gen1 Alola forms are a good thing.

>>28649769
>slow, defensive Ice/Steel
Yeah, I'm sure that'll help.

>>28649769
you mean what megas/hidden abilities were for?

>>28649784
this
no joke
everyone who says otherwise is just jealous

>>28649757
>best designs
Kek.
Also if you think they're so perfect, why bother giving them new forms?

>>28649806
>why bother carbon copying perfect designs instead of making a less good design from scratch?

gee I wonder anon.

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>>28649726
>they reveal a new non gen 1 alolan form
>it's for lucario
JUST

>>28649757
(You)

>>28649802
Megas have been polarizing since Gen VI's release, GF probably just said 'fuck it' and decided to rebuild them from the ground up.
I'll give you HAs though. That said, I can't think of any ability that could save pokémon like Farfetch'd; what they need is cross-gen evos or BST revamps.

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>>28649757

/vp/ talks about pandering as if Gamefreak is going out of its way to reference the games that created the entire franchise. You really don't think the people making these games aren't nostalgic themselves for Red and Green, whether they were involved from the start or not? Plus it's pretty typical of jrpgs to reskin their most recognizable monsters.

I remember a poll indicated that RSE is /vp/'s favorite overall which explains a lot. They're the only games which don't heavily nod to RGBY.

>>28649832
i love lucario but damn why does it get so much love from Nintendo?

>>28649856
I don't remember Diamond or Pearl referencing it much either.

>>28649726
>Lore goes on and on about how alola is pretty much next to kanto and shit moves between the two constantly
>WRYYY ARE THE POKEMON IMPORTED TO ALOLA FROM KANTO?
Fuck faggots who can't into lore.

>>28649832
They wouldn't do that. They're only giving new forms - or replacement forms - to Pokémon whose designs weren't overly popular in the first place.

>>28649877
>cross gen evos

>>28649614
Underage

>>28649867
It has a "cool design" he's a little guy that packs a punch?? Idk

>>28649899
There were cross-gen evos for Gen 2 and 3 Pokémon as well.

>>28649885
the lore wouldnt be like that in the first place, faggot, they could have easily made it next to Kalos/Unova/wherever

>>28649614
>Gen 6
We're diving into the brave new world of full 3D rendering, it'll feel like playing Pokémon for the first time, all over again!

I know, let's build thematic bridges between gen 6 and gen 1, to reinforce the symbolism!

>Gen 7
Pokémon is in the public eye again, all thanks to Pokémon GO!

...Which only uses gen 1 Pokémon...

...Which means we have to pander to gen 1 nostalgia again to capitalize on the hype.

>>28649614
Gen 1 is what keeps the franchise afloat. You can have your cute toys to play with but when they need money they call on gen 1.

As long as Gen 8 has Johto regional variants, I see no problem. This is the first new mechanic I've actually liked in awhile.

If we never see it again, though, then yeah. It's pandering.

>>28649769
Not really. Looking at OU from past gens it maintains a solid percentage of mons.
>Gen 4 metagame 11/48 were gen 1 = %23
>Gen 5 metagame 12/51 were gen 1 = %23
>gen 6 metagame 13/57 were gen 1 = %22

>>28649936
How the fuck are these forms going to work in future? Can you migrate a traditional Raichu to Gen 7? Could you migrate an Alolan Raichu to Gen 8? Would you be able to catch an Alolan Raichu in Gen 8, outside of Alola?

>>28649877
New evolutions for Kanto mons, a large chunk of the Sinnoh dex are Kanto mons, lake trio are basically Mews, old man professor, a return to the mysterious/odd vibe from the first games and another genuinely creepy location, Elite Four members who use several Pokemon outside their specialty type, long cave sections, the starters parallel the Kanto starters particularly in posture, ie Venusaur & Torterra being heavy wideass dinos with plants on top, Infernape is slimmer edgymon with an everburning flame, Empoleon is a stout fatty with metal features

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>top 3 favorite Pokemon aren't from Gen 1
>really like Gen 1 regardless
>enjoying these forms and new mons while /vp/ spergs the fuck out
This ride can't get any better.

>>28649929
Pretty sure most of the pokemon designs for SM including the alola forms have been completed for a few years now, at the least long before GO was released.

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op here i thought this thread was archived woah

>complaining about gf pandering the best Gen

/vp/ is truly full of underage contrarians.

This is what I'm concerned most about for SM. I remember X/Y looked alright but then it turned out to have so much fucking gen 1 wank.

>>28650048
>best gen
I've yet to see S/M even reference gen V

>>28650013
The Pokémon Company and Gamefreak would have known about its existence much earlier. It was announced to the public about a year ago.

>>28650048
Shhh, you're not allowed to like Gen 1 the best. You'll trigger all of the DSkids.

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>>28650066
>gen V

Sure buddy, keep believing in that meme.

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>>28650010
Basically this.
Feels good to be on the boat where you don't particularly dislike any mons or gens.

>>28649911
Is he proud of his power?

>>28650008
All the previous gens had new evolutions for their mons.
All the previous gens had gen 1 Pokémon in them too, and DP has a big selection of Gen 2 and 3 Pokémon too.
All the Professors at that time were old men.
Gen 3 had a 'creepy location' too. It's not a reference, it's an RPG trope.
Flint using non-Fire types has nothing to do with pandering, it's just retarded decision making.
Every game has long caves, the hell are you talking about?
I really don't know how you could draw parallels between the Gen 4 and 1 starters, and not those of the two Generations in between.

>>28650082
>meme
sorry that I have working eyes to tell what a good game is

>>28650010
>while /vp/ spergs the fuck out
Wait, I thought it was genwunners who were sperging out because it's ruining muh childhood.

>>28649958

Yeah, why not? Just add one or two more bits to pokedex data to differentiate them.

I'm not GF, but I'd say Alolan Raichu is only catchable in Alola (or maybe a Safari Zone), but Chanos Mareep is catchable in Chanos. Normal Pikachu is also catchable and evolvable in Chanos.

For obvious reasons, you can't transfer from Gen 8 to Gen 7 at all, but you can trade an Alolan Raichu to a Gen 8 game, and use it alongside a regular Raichu.

They share pokedex entries (although there may be a way to have them each have individual flavor text) so catching them all does not technically include regional variations.

>>28650126
I'm only seeing people sperg out over "MUH PANDERING".

>>28650148
>Chanos
I like the sound of that

>>28649893
>ninetales
>not popular

>>28650148
What the fuck is a Chanos

>>28650117
Sorry I'm not going to bring the list of "why Gen V is the worst Gen", it's too damn long.

>>28649784
Agreed

>>28650109
Gen 3 had no new evolutions for Kanto mons, only Wynaut. Prof. Birch is young. Mt Pyre is not remotely creepy compared to Lavender Town or the Chateau. Bertha has Sudowoodo and Aaron's ace is Drapion. Okay, so not several. The cave sections in Gen's I & IV definitely take the longest to explore. Of course there are parallels between all the starters, but IV's reference the original starters more blatantly.

>>28649846
I think Farfetch'd's purpose is to be a shitmon and Gamefreak will emphasise this by keeping it a shitmon.

>>28649784
Gen V is objectively the best in the series, but not the most popular by a longshot. /vp/ is the minority, and even then the board's still split on it.

>>28650191
I think that means you just don't have one. Regardless of which gen is the best though, it's definitely not Gen I. I like Gen I for being the first taste of the series, but the only thing it has going for it now is nostalgia

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>>28649784
>Except Gen V is the most popular

Only in /vp/ of course, the shithole that nobody cares about.

>>28649877
Someone doesn't remember Professor Oak showing up.

>>28650010
this

>>28650164
Well on /vp/ yeah but when I go to magic and the conversation gets to pokemon, most people don't like them.
Normally saying that Exeggutor looks dumb.

>>28649784
If you count the people who have played every game and aren't blinded by nostalgia, yes. But gen I and III are definitely the more popular if you include normies

>>28649784
Gen V being the most popular is a meme. Last year it was the most hated and Gen 3 was the most popular. Next year Gen I will be the most popular. The year after that Gen IV will be the most popular.

There's a fucking hivemind cycle that you cucks blindly follow to fit in.

>>28650284
I just wish somebody would site a source on any of these claims.

>>28650297
Source: the fanbase.

>>28650284
>le le le zelda cycle meme
I just want you retards to die

>>28650301
to follow up on these sources:
http://www.strawpoll.me/1491453/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/6051411/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/1322843/r


All of those were taken within the past year. all of them have Gen V near the bottom.

Gen V being the best is a fucking meme.

>>28650320
The Zelda Cycle was created when some fans didn't like Skyward Sword and so the fanbase claimed people never like the newest one. It was created as damage control. Gen V being the most popular is a recent development in the Pokemon fanbase.

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>>28649867
Kids love Lucario. They can't get enough. If they knew about sucking dick they would suck Lucario's dick. But they don't know because they are kids.

>>28650344
Doesn't change the fact that it's always been my fav. I think it's just the silent majorities taking over when their favorites start to get praise

>>28650381
Most kids know what it is nowadays. No thanks to social media.

>>28649614
>Gen 1 is the most popular far and away
>W-why are they giving attention to genwun on its 20th anniversary????

You guys are literal retards

>>28650386
literally the fucking excuse everyone has: "Well it's MY favorite".

There were so many of you fucking faggots in Gen VI with their love of Hoenn despite the fact that in Gen IV-V all people had to say about Hoenn were fucking water and trumpet jokes, then suddenly people make those jokes in Gen VI and it's TRIGGERED Central.

>>28650381
most of /vp/ would suck Lucario's dick

>>28649792
It's still got 8 resists and 1 immunity. It's weaknesses are a bit too common but if you can remove its checks it could at least be a solid spinner.

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>>28650435
I just want some variety. X/Y had a pretty much 1:1 copy of Viridian Forest for christ's sake.

>>28650545
That probably has more to do with X snd Y's intentional Gen 1 pandering than lack of creativity.

>>28650561
Which is what I meant. Gen 6 had assloads of it. Hell even a lot of Gen 5's designs were based on Gen 1.
I just want pandering and references to be balanced out.

>>28650545
this reminds me that I don't think I ever went into Santalune City ever again after leaving it the first time.

>>28649856
Typical or logical in general, doesn't make it less retarded and annoying.

>>28650597
Gen V was literally meant to be gen 1.5. Being the first region of the new country and all.

>>28650610
>I don't think I ever went into any city other than lumoise city after leaving it the first time.
I straight up remember nothing of X/Y's locations other than the city with the fairy gym because there was a giant ass tree in the center.

>>28650654
You mean a reboot? Only it failed because people don't care about brand new mons and only want their favorites.

And then people complain about Gamefreak never changing.

>>28650360
You sure? I remember /vp/ loving the fuck out of it when it was released up until Gen 6 started, and then it just became incredibly divisive.

>>28650545
Were X and Y just an asspull to buy GF more time to work on Gen 7? I keep getting that feeling more and more.

>>28650717
I think it was that and nintendo pressuring them so more people bought 3DS'.

>>28650700
The current generation is always loved until near the end of it.

>>28650743
Now everything makes perfect sense.

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>>28650678
>tfw the exact reason why you bought bw and logged something like 300 hours on it was because of the "whole new dex" gimmick
>tfw you didn't finish bw 2 because of all the old mons everywhere
>tfw you quit xy 10 hours in because of all the old mons clogging the dex
>tfw you didn't buy oras because it was just a remake with all old mons
>tfw seriously considering on not buying sm due to all the "look at all these old mons!!" bullshit
Fuck this series. Seriously, it's like it fucking hates me.

>>28650788
Are you saying you didn't catch 'em all?

>>28650807
I ALREADY CAUGHT THEM ALL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I DON'T CARE ABOUT CATCHING THEM AGAIN!

BW was great, exactly because I hadn't caught any of these fuckers before. They were new.

>>28650048
But anon, my gf only panders my dick.

>>28650807
Gennuners didnt

>tfw no Alolan Mawile

>>28650717
If it turns out that ORAS and XY were only there as like tech demos and SM is fantastic, then I would be 100 percent OK with that.

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>>28649784

>>28650545

ORAS was an asspull. XY took something like 3 years to make and it was a required stepping stone with 3D to get to the level SM is at.

>>28650788
Same. I loved BW for it too, though I loved B2W2 as well because I played the fuck out of BW and then wanted to go back to using some older mons as well.

I can't tell if the people GF are pandering to still play the game or if a lot of others are just buying anything they churn out regardless.

>>28649885
>Lore goes on and on about how alola is pretty much next to kanto
It does not. This is absolute bullshit.

The thing that angers me the most is that they pull the Gewun Pander-Bomb literally right after already having given us the entire National Dex on a silver platter. Seriously, within Gen 6 only you could literally catch every single 'mon in existence, INCLUDING legendaries and mythicals! And now SM is coming with a dex made up of 80% old 'mons and nobody is going to catch them because we all already fucking have them.

>>28651104
well you won't have them if they made them exclusive to SM

>>28649614
Makes me wonder how they plan to bring back Gen 1 in Gen 8

>>28649614
I can bet Samson Oak will give you a Kanto starter

>>28651104
Yeah and also we just got Kanto starters and legends in XY, its almost obvious they'll throw them in once again in SM

>couldn't find the pokegirl thread
>sees gen 1 pandering thread
>good enough for me
>remember not a pokegirl thread
>no whitney :(

>>28649614
They give people what they want. Stop being salty because your gen is not relevant

>>28650862
Don't call your hand gf, it's gross

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>>28649769
>tfw it's another episode of the " gen 1 pokemons are bad competitivly" meme
Shut the fuck up memer.

>>28651146
Remakes that combine the story of RBYFRLG with GSCHGSS.

>>28649614
I really wish they would stop the pandering all together for any gen, really. I really liked how B/W was just new Pokemon at the start, it was an interesting idea that if were better executed could have been more enjoyable to go through. I understand they do it for Gen 1 because it's the most popular(When you include people who don't actually play or remember it only based on nostalgia), but it's incredibly boring to see stuff like Alolan forms happening to just one generation of Pokemon when there should 100% be more forms for a wider variety of mons from various regions.

It just feels like a waste to me, to aim for just one generational appeal and while seemingly ignoring the others for the sake of popularity.

Fuck GF for having Corsola in this dex but no Cross gen Corsola Evo/Form/Mega Evo.

>>28649784
Things I agree with: The post

>>28651146
Remake the first games but with Megas, obviously.

>>28650344
>Strawpoll
>no captchas
As if proxyfag bots opinions mattered at all

>>28649885
And where do they state that?

>>28649784
Sales numbers disagree with you

>>28649784
I wanna cut your fingers for writing that. Gen V is shittier that shittiest shit of the shittiest shits.

Gamefreak knows which is the best gen, why don't you?

>>28651924
There are two ways to pander, I feel.

1. Straight up bringing back old shit.

2. Putting a new twist on old shit.

Likewise, there are two ways to counteract these two forms of pandering:

1. Bringing only new shit.

2. Adding new twists to the formula, but only applying them to new shit.

---

What BW did, was not bring back any old shit. All new shit.

I feel like there's a happy medium, where you could mostly introduce new shit, but what little old shit you bring back you provide a twist on.

I'd rather see Mega Charizard and Alolan Marowak in a game as a form of pandering than seeing Pidgey on Route 1 of the new game.

There's modifying old shit (what GF's been trying to do since Gen 6), and there's just straight up keeping old shit around with no changes (what BW remedied).

>>28649784
Only here and because you're mostly underage babies.

It's literally a meme.

>>28649784
doesn't help the cause if the designs are shit. And I mean much more than just gear, rubbish and ice cream mon

Reminder that anyone who """hates""" gen 1 is literally an underage retard or a contrarian fedoralord.

>>28652302
There's a lot of good ones too, though. Doesn't help that the early routes are fucking plagued with shitty looking mons though.

>>28650246

I still don't understand why people insist on "salvaging" or "saving" pokémon, when stuff like Farfetch'd, Delibird, Spinda, Luvdisc and many more just aren't meant to be any good.

Keep shitmons shitmons. At least by being a shitmon they keep a semblance of an identity. It's not like the vast majority of shitmons can't be used in-game.

Like this
>>28651924

Why does Corsola out of all pokémon need an evolution? What would that even add to it at this stage?

I also dislike the concept of Alolan variants, but that's not solely because it's obviously pushing a gen I angle. That's bad enough though.

>>28650148
>gen 8
>chanos

shut up

>>28649614
Maybe you guys should realize this year is the 20th anniversary of gen 1, not of other gens.

>>28649614
>pick between three starters from a professor
>only carry up to 6 mons
>store other ones in the PC
>Pokedex
>turn based combat

I'm sick of GF pandering to Gen 1's gameplay formula. It's bullshit.

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>>28652843
There's a difference between holding serious conviction/belief and having a categorical/universal hatred for anything and everything from one specific gen for no reason other than to have the hatred.

These aren't my favorite Pokemon out of some autistic obligation to like shit from multiple gens for the sake of anonymous identity politics on a Norwegian carrot farming board. They're my favorites because I like them.

I don't understand how people can actually defend them giving Alolan forms only to Gen1 Pokemon.

Do you hate every other Gen or something? Do those other Gens not have interesting Pokemon that can make interesting Alolan forms?

Why is a new concept like Regional Form restricted to only one generation of Pokemon when there's 6 Gens of Pokemon to choose from?

>>28649885
Doesn't it make more sense that the regions that are further away be the ones with forms. Unova has Kanto mons and since the separation happened way earlier forms would be more common.
Fuck faggots who can't think if their made up lore makes sense.

>>28652944
>defend them giving Alolan forms only to Gen1 Pokemon
>Do you hate every other Gen or something?
Just because something doesn't trigger me doesn't mean that I hate its antithesis. That's retarded.

>>28649846
Farfetch'd is the equivalent of a joke character in a fighting game, just like Dunsparce and others after them.

>>28652843
Can't wait for you all to run this new meme into the ground already.

>>28652979
It's just lazy. I'm not entirely opposed to having regional forms (they even tried, if only a little with Shellos), but how they are only in Alola and everywhere else the pokémon are the same doesn't add up. I'm a bit skeptical to whether regional variants are going to keep being introduced in later generations, which in turn would mean it has little to do with the "lore" and everything to do with a lazy gimmick.

That, and several of the Alolan forms make no sense. Even if you accept that Sandshrew migrated from arid areas to icy areas (this is at least more believable than a Vulpix doing the same), why is it steel? Why not keep the ground-typing?

Of course, there's also the focus on gen I pokémon as well, but that would almost be nitpicking.

Gen 1 got so many shit-tier and lazy designs.

GF knows this and they has decided to fix them shitty-ass designs by introducing the Alolan Form!

>>28652422
Does it even matter? They haven't done the same thing for later generations.

>>28649784
wtf I hate gen 5 now

>>28649757
>faggots replying think this is bait
Daily reminder that Game Freak is making bank off genwun pandering

>>28649757
Popular ≠ Good

There are better options to get Alolan form, mega, Z-move or another shit, but they only make Gen 1 pandering again and again.

>>28649885
>alola is pretty much next to kanto and shit moves between the two constantly
Where's it say this faggot

>>28653334
They are popular AND good

>>28651889
It's not that they're bad competitively it's just that Gen 1 pokemon suck and desperately need redesigns

>>28650545
What is this