Hey /vp/, on a scale of 10 to 10, how much do you hate Stealth Rock?

>>28629310
10, apparently.

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0

>>28629310
5 i guess, i don't use it and my team doesn't really suffer from it so i'm pretty indifferent on it

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>>28629310
10

>>28629310
4

>>28629336
*Sends out ghost type pokemon*

>>28629310
they help prevent birdspam and endless switching in singles. they're definetely something that promotes a healthy singles meta.

I use stealth rock/10

>>28629310
>He plays 6v6

faggot

>>28629310
Bout three fiddy.

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0/10

Fuck birds.

>>28629310
0 prevents dragonites everywhere

As an HO and HO user, I love this shit.

The amount of ohkos and 2hkos it ensures its just impossible to pass.

Without them the games would drag on and on and on...also fuck sashes and multiscale.

I seriosly think it needs to be nerfed, but as a monotype bug fag, it's the only recourse I have against switch happy talonflames.

It helps against fire and lying in general though, which obviously give bugs some of the most trouble

>>28629563
>HO and HO user
What's "HO"?

>>28629665

Hyper offensive

My main problem with it is how widely accessible it is
It wouldn't play nearly as big a part of the metagame if it was just restricted to the Pokemon who can learn it through level up or breeding but they had to make it a TM and a move tutor move.

10, but only because Volcarona is my favorite Pokémon.

Like a 3, but that's because in use battle spot. If I was on smogon I'd be pissed that all my bug, fire and flying mons were gimped 100% of games. In fact, part of that 3 is from when I played smogon OU. Its rare enough in battle spot that I can't even get mad when I see it.

>>28629310
10.
It's the only entry-hazard that has a type that gets factored in, whereas Spikes does no extra damage to things weak to Ground.

It can do as much damage to a Flying mon as 3x Spikes to a non-Flying mon - and it only needs one fucking turn to set up.

9/10
Only good point is that it can hurt flying types, what spikes can't do. But it needs a fucking nerf, why spikes need 3 layers to do 25% when one layer of rock can easily 25% half the game ?
Remove type effectiveness and don't hurt rock types / make these last 5 turns / absorbed by rock mons / anything that bring these to spikes level.

>>28629310
I dont see a a problem with it since it punishs switching cancer.

I would be okay with it if it didn't do damage based on type. It arbitrarily discriminates heavily against specific types, including Ice which has enough fucking problems.

I hate it so much I want them to make another one that's Grass type. Sure it's a much worse move in theory since so many types resist it, and fewer are weak to it, but it is SE against water, and I'm tired of those little shits winning the lottery on virtually everything. Weather related abilities in type, not weak to any types with priority (because for some reason electric can't do this) while getting their own. Four resists- three highly relevant while only weak to two types. One can't switch in on them and the other one of the is one of the worst offensive types in the game. And almost all of 'em die to Ice Beam...

>>28632187
you must have creamed your jeans when freeze dry was introduced

>>28629310
10 I guess

Necessary evil/10

>>28629310
7/10.
I hate Scald burns and thunder waves more.

>>28629310
>play doubles
>some idiot immediately tries to set up Stealth Rock and Toxic Spikes

>>28632316
stealth rock isn't too bad in doubles, i wouldn't use toxic spikes though since paralysis and burn are way more valuable in doubles

>>28629310
actually i think there should be more kind of "stealth rock"-like hazards

lets say something like stealth icicle, same as rocks but with ice, but overrides rocks if they are already on the field, you have to chose between rocks and ice

and give it only to ice mons

2/10. It annoys me a bit, but fuck Talonflame. Anything that screws that thing over is a plus for me.

>>28629310
9, because being forced to go out of my way to include a spinner/defogger on my team is super annoying. At least it stops Scrubflame, though.

I hate Talonflame more

>>28632353
Giving it only to ice mons means it just wouldn't get used. Part of Stealth Rock's viability is the fact that fucking everything has access to it.

The only way to buff Ice is to make more mons like Weavile.

>>28632442
Stealth ice hits an absolutely retarded amount of OU though.

>>28632488
Sure. But without a good distribution and it overriding Rocks, it won't see much usage.

>>28632291
It's nice, I won't lie, but in the end its only ever profitable to use specifically against water types. Its otherwise a grossly inferior Ice Beam. But hey, since ice types also suffer from really shitty move pools a special attacker might actually have room for both.

Now they need a bug type (web) that hits flying, and a poison type acid that hits steel.

>>28632508
I agree. Rock and Ice are both SE against Flying, and except for Dragon which isn't used much since every other new Pokemon was made Fairy, it has nothing over Rock. It's not the buff Ice needs; Ice needs to lose a weakness and hit something new for SE.

>>28632566
Well the new lizard thing can poison forretress, that's something.

>>28632600
It can just Fire Blast the thing too, so I don't get the point.

>>28629310
10
It was one of the greatest shits that GF ever created
>switch pokemon
>50% damage
if you lost your spinner/defog user you're fucked
moves like this should be more easy to counter

>>28632621
it can also poison heatran

>tfw Smogon bans anything even remotely meta threatening or too dominant/unfun but stealth rock is somehow fine

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>>28632647
every thread

>>28632672
until it changes, smocuck

>>28630905
That was the point though, to hit those who dodge Spikes.

>>28629310
I use it while Talonflame is around

Stealth Rocks is probably the worst balanced move in the game, the only other contenders being maybe Dark Void/Spore and Geomancy.

>>28632647
You are retarded, they tried No Rocks back in Gen V, it just made the game shitter.

I think it's fine except for distribution. ONLY Rock types should get it.

>>28632749
shittier for who? the few elitist friends in the upper ranks who don't know how to play anything else?

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>>28629310
Sneaky Pebbles deal 1/6th of max HP to airborne Pokemon (Flying-type, Levitate, Magnet Rise, etc.) and 1/12th of max HP to everything else. How would /vp/ feel about this?

>>28629310
10. it made me put my mawile on taunt scarf on lead just to make sure i wasn't fucked. on another team without rapid spin/defog, i put the bug/flying type first because it was the only one who trully feared it (who knew masquarauin can sweep with quiver dance?) SR is #2 in what my current pu team is alligned against (weakness to fire was #1). demn pebbles.

>>28631017
switching can be fun

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-436787320
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-440010931

As someone with a focus sash on every other Pokémon, and someone who loves to play bug mono, I hate it. But I also play with teams that thrive on setting up stones, so it balances out the hate.

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INTO THE TRASH IT GOES

>>28633763
>Paranauê
hueee mah nigga