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Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread

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Welcome to the Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread. Talk about new episodes, old episodes, upcoming episodes, anime Pokégirls, sub releases, discuss, speculate, bitch and moan, etc., etc.

>NOT-SHIT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/#PocketMonstersXYSubbed

>Citronic Gear On's music rips:
http://pastebin.com/C2gkFb0g

>Newfag Airing/viewing order guide:
http://pastebin.com/anb9qe55

>Sun and Moon Anime Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_2ADXIyEa4

>Movie 19: Volcanion and the Ingenious Magearna [Jul 16th]
http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWtBDuxrcS0
Excerpt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMWw5xiwW8

>LET'S GO SEE GEKKOUGA IN THE THEATER! SPECIAL GEKKOUGA VIDEO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj-34tfTiqo

Next episode:
>XY&Z44: We Start at Zero! Clemont's Decision!! [Oct 6]
http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pokemon_xyz/trailer/

Upcoming episodes:
>XY&Z45: One Last Battle with Ash! Serena's Choice!! [Oct 13]
>XY&Z46: Farewell, Ash Greninja! Xerosic Strikes Back [Oct 20]

Shit people will ask:
>Is this season good? I haven't watched the anime in [x] years and-
Yes, it's fucking good, just start watching it already.

>What's the point of watching it anymore?
To enjoy the ride.

>Will Serena win da Ash?
Never give up until the very end.

>Muh subs when?
[PM] is subbing XY&Z. Their releases can happen any time of the week.

Old thread:
>>28588853
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POCKET MONSTERS 44 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_-_044_-_Paras_and_Parasect[H264_SUB][F7D3A8D8].mkv.torrent

MOVIE 1 TRAILER SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_Movie_1_Trailer_1[H264_SUB][518DF777].mkv.torrent

XY&Z38 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_038_Kalos_League_Victory!_Satoshi's_Ultimate_Match!![H264_720P][918FFA54].mkv.torrent

XY&Z19 POKÉTV SEGMENT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_019_The_Master_Class_Begins!_A_Maidens'_Fight_Where_Sparks_Fly!!_PokeTV_segment[H264_720P][0492E6FA].mkv.torrent

XY&Z39 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=843882

XY&Z40 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=845935

XY&Z41 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=847987

XY&Z42/43 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=850249

NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS XY&Z44: WE START AT ZERO! CITRON'S DECISION!! (OCTOBER 6TH)
>The incident caused by Flare has come to an end, and the Kalos region starts getting restored little by little. Clemont is also busy restoring the Gym and repairing the Citroid. On the day before the Gym is finally going to reopen, a boy comes to visit Clemont. The boy tells him that he challenged the Citroid to a gym battle once and lost against it, and that he has now come for a rematch...
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Misty
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UPCOMING SHIT:

POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 50 (Sep 18th)
>Abareru-kun and Rinka-chan Attempt to Make a Tapping Sumo Game with Pokémon Handicraft / The Lyrics for the Original Song Project are Complete!

XY&Z45: One Last Battle with Ash! Serena's Choice!! (Oct 13th)
>As Serena is torn on what she should do next as a Performer, Ash proposes a Pokémon Battle. What will Serena do!?

XY&Z46: Farewell, Ash Greninja! Xerosic Strikes Back (Oct 20th)
>Everyone thought the Team Flare incident was over. But Xerosic, who escaped during it, has once again started making a move! Ash and Ash Greninja challenge him to a fight to stop his terrifying ambitions!!

XY&Z -MOVIE VER.- (SATOSHI)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6d63pkrvpvcqry3/XY%26Z_MOVIE_VER_%28Both_Sizes%29.zip

THE PIKACHU SONG (PIKACHU)
http://www.megafileupload.com/7hw9/The_Pikachu_Song.m4a

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA SOUNDTRACK
http://www.filedrop
per.com/movie19soundtrack

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA MANGA
CHAPTER 1: http://imgur.com/a/PAdz8
CHAPTER 2: http://imgur.com/a/cGC71
CHAPTER 3: http://imgur.com/a/l6bs1
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Is Lillie liked in Japan as much as she seems to be here?
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This fat baby is going to be a major character.
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>>28592523
was top-tier for a while but you can tell the studio wanted nothing to do with her by Johto.
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Pikachu will be the one to make Serena confess to Ash.
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nth for Shudo was right
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REMINDER: DO NOT BUGGER THE SATOSHI.
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>Greninja's death causes so much trauma for Ash that he reverts to a dumber, more immature version of himself
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Ash and Colress working together to unravel the mysteries of bond phenomenon and restoring Ash-Greninja WHEN?
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>>28592580
The big question is if Bonnie and Clemont are still with Ash/Serena in the Ash vs Serena episode.
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I don't watch the anime
What's the thing about Greninja dying?
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>>28592574
Well, he is or will be a Trial Captain.
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I dont want her to leave me
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>Sa..to..shi
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>>28592506
Everything in sun and moon looks way to promising its like xy was a nightmare and im having a dream now
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>>28592621
>literally in OP
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ALL HAIL STALE
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>>28592579
She was shit
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>>28592621
He will lose the synchro power.
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>>28592612
No Anon! i am from the FUTURE OF SCIENCE! GRENINJA DEFEATS XEROSIC AND IT TURNS OUT THAT MALAMAR IS WITH THE OTHER MALAMAR! GRENINJA GETS SENT INTO THE FUTURE AND SM IS THAT FUTURE! ALL HOPE WILL SEEM LOST JUST FOR GRENINJA TO APPEAR AND FOR ASH TO SYNCHRO AND THEN USE THE MOST POWERFUL Z-MOVE! TRUST ME ANON!
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Obligaroty Lillie post
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>>28592639
Let's heal our wounds in the serene beaches of Alola.
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Raichu eating too many psychic pancakes episode when?
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So was following XY worth it? I mean I greatly enjoyed the series, but I really wanted to see Ash win the league. 3 losses to Alan especially was overkill.

Also sad about Serena/Amour, even though there's not much to say.
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XY&Z47: Thanks for the Memories, Kalos! Return to Masara Town!!
>After saying goodbye to his friends from Kalos, Satoshi finally returns home to Masara Town. Upon returning, Satoshi is challenged by a new trainer who just received their starter!

XY&Z48: A New Adventure in Alola?! Just Fuck My Shit Up, Writers!!
>After Pikachu loses to the new trainer's Hitokage, his mother decides Satoshi should go back to school. As no school in Masara Town will accept him, Satoshi is forced to head to the faraway Alola region...

XY&Z49: Serena's Training Begins! To Become Kalos Queen! But...?!
>Back in Kalos, Serena begins her training with Yashio. After experiencing her harsh and unforgivable training scheme, Serena runs away. With Satoshi gone and her dream dying around her, Serena decides life is no longer worth living...

XY&Z50: Devastating News from the Kalos Region! Satoshi's Suffering!!
>Satoshi is ready to leave to the Alola region, although he has no interest in going to school and is only going as he is forced to by his mother and the professor. Satoshi then hears about devastating news from Kalos! Serena has...?!

XY&Z51: I will join my friend! Farewell, Pokemon World?!
>Satoshi, knowing he will only suffer in the Alola region, decides he has no choice but to join his friend Serena in death. But Satoshi's mother hears of this, and using Barrierd's psychic powers, makes Satoshi and Pikachu forget Serena forever!!

XY&Z52: Iris Returns! Kibago Gets Lost Again?!
>Satoshi runs into his old friend Iris from the Isshu region before he takes his plane! Satoshi must race against the clock to not miss his flight as Kibago gets lost!!
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Can we all agree that she's the "main" girl?
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>So, who could win the Satoshi?

Dead girls not count
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>>28592822
From the looks of things she, Lana and Lillie will all have the same importance.
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>>28592822
She can be my main girl whenever she wants.
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>>28592822
Vagina Brock
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>>28592796
seems awufully legit, thanks writers also that kibago lost kek
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>>28592822
Mallow looks downgraded from her game counterpart, doesn't look anywhere as attractive.
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>>28592842
It's rather bizarre, Mallow is clearly taking on the "Male" role that the Male companions usually have, Lillie is narrating and seems to be the one to introduce Ash to the class and help him and Lana seems to be the one to get a starter where as Litten and Rowlet seem likely to be Ash's.
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>>28592876
She looks the same.
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>>28592909
Well its obvious all 5 of the island trial leaders and Lillie are the "main cast."

Since Ash has no traditional companions this time, they're essentially the main group.
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me playing dem pokemon
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>>28592842
Blue, yellow, and green
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>>28592876
She looks exactly the same.
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>>28592796

Thanks for the hearty keks, anon.
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did ash win the pokemon league?
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>>28592950
No she doesn't. Game Mallow looks more teenager and has curves. Anime Mallow looks like she's much younger.

She doesn't even look like May, Dawn and Serena did where they looked like teenagers.
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>>28592928
In that case who will take what roles?

Mallow = Cook
Lillie = Exposition
Lana = Starter
Sophocles = Running gags/inventions
Kiawe = Guywhohastotakecareofthesestupidfuckingkidsholyshitishouldbefuckingwomenbutiambabysittingwhathtefuck aka Brock
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But are they students aiming to take the mantle of Trials Captains or already are captains? If they aim to be that, does that mean the anime will have original trial captains? Could be this a sequel to S&M?
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>>28592506
So, Serena and Ash are going to battle to decide what Serena should do

If she wins, she stays in Kalos and trains as a performer

If she loses, she goes with Ash to Alola

GUESS WHO'S GOING TO THROW THE FUCKING MATCH GUYS
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>>28592876
I don't know man, take a loot at those hips.
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>>28592974
Kiawe looks more of the fiery, stubborn, hotheaded yet noble and serious type.
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>>28592976
Nah, Ash will graduate and create a Alola League, he will be the Champion with Mallow/Lana/Sophocles/Kiawe as the Elite Four and Lillie will become the regional Professor.
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>>28592976
All the island leaders seem like they're de-aged to rookies. Maybe the black guy is the only one who isn't since he looks older
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>>28592973
>Game Mallow looks more teenager and has curves. Anime Mallow looks like she's much younger.
That's a given, she has to be the same age as Ash. Also, she's still curvy.
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>>28592796
>Just Fuck My Shit Up, Writers!!
I needed a good laugh, thanks
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>>28592974
Kiawe confirmed best character.
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>>28592488
The short gist of it, because going overly into detail seems pointless at this point:

I've followed this fucking kid for nearly 20 years now. I love him to bits, and I'm happy I get to continue seeing his adventures instead of them wrapping him up, rebooting the show, and saying that's it for him.
But the way they're doing it, the way they're making such a seemingly radical change in how they want to portray him to the audience just makes the divide between "Satoshi the fictional character" and "Satoshi the marketable mascot" so annoyingly clear.
Sun & Moon probably isn't even going to be that different at the end of the day, this particular leak just really made me think about how they COULD have had him won the league and built off that for some interesting stories, they COULD have given him an actual girlfriend and built off that for some interesting stories, but the way they wanted to change the direction up again a bit for Sun & Moon seemingly just made it easier for the to go the usual "loses the league, parts with his companions and goes to the next region" end as always.
Sun & Moon doesn't look bad, it looks comfy and the new girls look fun, it's just the way they're seemingly going about it that makes it feel more artificial than before.
Something about it makes me sad, and I can't even properly understand why myself.

Call it autism all you want.
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>>28593016
BW and especially Sun/Moon just seem like an attempt to make Ash a marketing tool instead of using a new protagonist.

AG, DP and XY all felt like genuine attempts to continue the main story from the OS. That's where the difference lies.
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>>28592994
Ash could still throw the match and win because of how weak Serena's Pokemon are.
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>>28593007
Sounds to good to be truth.
>>28593016
I'm glad they are removing the league, it creates many frustrations and disappointment. There's no point in hig stakes competition if we know he will never win. And yes, i applaud they are finding new ways of doing the show. Many people always, for years bitched the anime was the same every time, and now that we got the status quo shaken, they start to bitch about the change. People are impossible.
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>>28593116
They should have let Ash win the Kalos league then since it had perfect set up for him to do so.
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>>28593045
ALL THOSE SEASONS WERE MARKETING TOOLS YOU DENSE FUCKER.
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>>28592822
Main girl seems more like Lillie honestly, but it's most likely just going to be mildly spit between all 3 of the girls.
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>>28593143
Does 75% percent of the series happen in the same forest?
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>it's the last league Ash will partake in for a long time
>The finals rival is literally there to fight him and gather data he gets regardless of who wins
>Give him a pokemon that feeds off their bond to become stronger through a unique power up
>Make him lose it either way

What did they mean by this?
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So who's gonna get a rockruff?
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>>28593153
But AG, DP and XY gave you a reason to keep following Ash. He changed and grew every season.

BW and Sun/Moon don't have that incentive. BW would have been hated far less if Ash kept his competence.
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>>28593175
It's a biiiig forest.
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>>28593143
Nothing of value was lost that day
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>>28592796
>Kibago Gets Lost Again?!
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This is easily the cruellest reset they've done. BW looks like nothing in comparison.
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>>28593143
I'm honestly gonna miss it. Wish SM was half about trying to uncover more about Ash-Greninja and Synchro and the School thing.
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>>28593186
>S&M will be BW2.0
>Source: myass.com.
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>>28593181
That you need to give up your dreams because you're shit and your dreams are shit, anon :^)

Shudo would be proud.
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Serena's feelings won't be addressed in the Ash vs Serena episode will they?
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>>28593016
I actually agree with this post 100%. Just based off the art style they may as well have just created an entirely new character rather than continuing to use Ash. This just makes me even more perplexed as to why they decided to have him lose.
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>>28593045
I didn't even get this feeling from BW. There was obviously a lot of executive meddling there too, but it felt a lot smoother and believable. Sun & Moon so far has really just felt like marketers said "okay, so we've come to the conclusion that people like shows that are like THIS, so let's make the show like that" without giving many thoughts to how the show currently is and what's going on in it.
Even XY could flipflop between wacky ass slapstick comedy like XY79 and character driven drama like XY80 in a week, so it's really just a presentation thing, it's just one that hit me really fucking hard for some reason.
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>>28592796
>XY&Z48: A New Adventure in Alola?! Just Fuck My Shit Up, Writers!!
kek
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>>28592994
More like come to realization that Serena was the one who is going to leave Ash, leaving him all alone again.

Why did they even bother with Amour and Serena anyway? What was the point of all this? To watch everyone suffer? If Serena were just a normal person who didn't have this crush on Ash, I guarantee that nobody would be as salty as they are today.
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>>28593230
Who knows?
It depends on how XYZ 46 plays the shit
Maybe Colress will help him in Alola!
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Where are these scans coming from? Serebii has nothing...
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>>28593258
The show hasn't even air, retard.
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>>28593258
I also wonder why they think the Japanese will like this. I doubt even little kids attracted to Yokai watch will like it.

Japan loved shonen Ash, Serena's crush, idol shit, and Bonnie/Clemont have a popular dynamic there. Everything about XY felt like pandering to Japanese tastes of waifu's, idols, shonen Ash, etc.

Sun/Moon drops everything of that.
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What was the music that plays when puni and bluni turn into perfect zygarde...???
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>>28593016
>such a seemingly radical change in how they want to portray him to the audience just makes the divide between "Satoshi the fictional character" and "Satoshi the marketable mascot" so annoyingly clear

There's an unfortunate truth that you've neglected here.

"Satoshi the fictional character" doesn't exist outside of "Satoshi the Marketable mascot".

The Pokemon Anime has always been just another method of advertising and marketing the Pokemon brand. That's it, and that's all it ever has been, and likely all it ever will be. Satoshi doesn't exist to TPCi as a character - he's literally just a marketing tool.

He can't get season to season character development, we can't have series long plot lines outside of the two franchise taglines ("catch em all" or "wanna be the very best"), we can have characters other than the mascots be integral from series to series, because the show is about marketing to the target audience - and the current target audience is the 5-12 range. If they start adding in lasting effects, characters, or changes, it won't encourage the younger audience to research the old ones - it'll only turn them away from the show because it'll seem like there's too much going on to get involved and start watching. It may encourage the older generation to watch, but let's be honest here; Pokemon makes its most money from kids in the 5-12 group begging their parents for the games, going to watch the movies, and Pokemon merchandise. An influx of an older audience would be nice, but they don't stay for more than a series - and as a collective they don't spend nearly as much on merchandise as the you get group does (via whining to their parents).

Sure, things like Digimon and Medabots had series long plot threads and interesting characters with lasting character development - and unfortunately, they don't have a multi-billion solar franchise to show for it.
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>>28592994
Where you read that?
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>>28593285
Pokefan.
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>>28593258
Oh my god. You did not just defend BW just to prove how SM sucks despite the fact that the first episode hasn't even aired yet. You are reaching Index-fags level of butthurt over HO here.
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>>28593249
Well the only way to get Ash to ever notice a girl is through battling. But I honestly doubt it. It's just such a horrible ending, letting the entire XY cast go that early. Kicking her off the series completely before the last episode even airs.

>>28593294
Now they're just drawing fanart of Lillie instead of Serena. I just think the news literally killed off any incentive for them to do anything with Serena.
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Anyone else disgustingly excited to see what the Sun and Moon anime is gonna be like? Like it's too late to hope it's gonna be the greatest thing ever, and you're just excited to see the terribleness unfold
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>>28593249
Since she no longer has any romantic feelings for him, no, her 'feelings' will not be addressed,
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>>28593280
What's up with all the Colress talk? What makes people think he'd come back? is it because of that one guy from the Aether foundation and the mentions of him in XY games?
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>>28593310
Thanks anon. Joe is falling behind it seems.
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>>28592994
I think is more of a way to seriously connect Ash and Serena before he leaves
I hope they both realize something about the other
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The fact that Serena loves Ash make their splitup frustrating af because we all expected something to happen.

I mean if this Serena/Ash thing end now, it would be pointless, why did they made her love him ?

W/E i will watch sun/moon anyway i'm just frustrated af that the ash/serene thing is fucking pointless and the epicness of ashgreninja is going to be burried for shitty reason

sorry for bad english
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>>28593327
Anon.
> I'm happy I get to continue seeing his adventures instead of them wrapping him up
>Sun & Moon probably isn't even going to be that different at the end of the day
>Sun & Moon doesn't look bad, it looks comfy and the new girls look fun
I'm not saying SM will suck. SM probably wont suck. I'm sure I'll probably enjoy it. This is just my reaction to the way they're marketing it and the way it looks like they're going to transition to it.
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>>28593352
Another shitty memer trying to force his bullshit just like the Aino sperg.
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>>28593352
Yes
Also his opus magnum, main goal and his hopes are respectively Rotomdex, vaguely speaking Mega Evolution and Z-moves
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>>28593186
>BW would have been hated far less if Ash kept his competence.

You know who hated B/W?

Because it sure wasn't their target audience.

The Pokemon anime has always been a (very effective) marketing tool, and nothing more. It works great with kids regardless of which series they're on - if we like it too it's a bonus, but if we don't they don't really care.
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>>28593297
ANYONE KNOW THIS...???
ANYONE KNOW THIS...???
ANYONE KNOW THIS...???
ANYONE KNOW THIS...???
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>>28593419
BW came directly after DP, and I'm sure all the kids who grew up with Dawn, Paul, Ash, etc...didn't care for it.
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>>28593382
>we all expected something to happen.
Speak for yourself, spic.
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>Autismos droning over and over a show is hasn't fucking aired.
Goddammit, it's gonna be like this till November?
Just give a me cyanide pill.
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>>28593382
See>>28593351
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Just a reminder that there's more evidence for Ash having feelings for Clemont or even Bonnie than there is for him having feelings for Serena.
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>>28593394
Who the hell cares about marketing? Since when have advertisement ever been 100% representative of what it actually is? If you want to pass judgment on it, do the standard 3 episode rule first.
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>>28593465
Ash has more feelings for Pikachu than all 3 of them
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>Anons keep joking about Ash failing the final exam
>Ash's goal is to have "Lots of fun" in Alola
>Ash DOES pass the exam but he doesn't have fun
>At all
>No seriously everything will go to fucking shit
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>>28593474
Also true.
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>Mimey was Ash's dad all along

wtf i love Mr. Mime now
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>>28593419
>It works great with kids

no it doesn't, its ratings are abysmal
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>>28593468
I am, anon. I even said I'm expecting to like it. You're reading all kinds of things into my post that are the exact opposite of what I said.
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You retards, Black&White actually did much better than XY. Even if S&M is BW2.0, there is not going to be a backslash that will force the meanies at the studio to make the show your wanking autistic fantasy.
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>>28593352
Yeah, but he's also a very unique character
I'd be happy to see him again in the anime, because he deserves another chance after BW
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>>28593382
>why did they made her love him ?
Probably just a quick attention grabber for viewers. Really that's all I can think of. They had no clue on what to do with her since there was no goal set or alternatives with contests. Thus they just decided that do be a neat quirk and attention grabber from an otherwise just cute character. Kinda like to holder until they got a plot for her sorry ass going.
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>>28593439
>I'm sure all the kids who grew up with Dawn, Paul, Ash, etc...didn't care for it.

I don't know what the fuck makes you so "sure" other than talking out your ass, but series ratings, viewership, DVD and merchandise sales directly disagree with you.

I didn't like it either, but it's not meant for us. It's meant for kids, and it's supposed to draw in new kids every time a new game generation launches. B/W accomplished everything it set out to do.
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>>28593305
I sadly have to agree with this. As long as it is profitable, Ash is a marketing tool before he is a character. He's a marketing tool PERIOD.

However, I think the freedom the writers are given really plays a part in the end. I'd say XY is better received than BW because there was more freedom for the writers to actually do cool stuff and less executive meddling.

The alola season can be fun and entertaining the same way it can be pandering and cheap, it all just depends on what TPC lets the writers do.
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>>28593493
Pokemon always gets in the top ten. That's good considering how many options viewers have.
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>>28593493
>its ratings are abysmal

Nice meme, Pokemon's ratings are perfectly fine for its timeslot.
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Honestly SM will probably be alright in vacuum, but after XY (or at least, all of XY minue anything to do with Alain) it'll probably be a colossal disappointed in comparison.
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>>28593498
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>>28593496
And I'm just trying to reinforce the point that all this speculating on the quality on something before trying it out is just silly.
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>Lillie confirmed Ash's seatmate
>Lana right next to her
Lana and Lillie confirmed Ash's school trip companions.
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This is fucking stupid. Hearing you sperglords talking about rating and marketing strategies. Reminds me of those /v/ thread where Fucky McBitchtits tells Nintendo how to run its business.
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>>28593294
The only thing I'm 100 % sure Japan loves is Greninja
And they are killing it
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https://exhentai.org/g/968384/13eb45693e/
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>>28593380
>>28593382

Ratings grab, really. It's not hard to understand. I think they like crushing the dreams of waifufags. I really want an exceptional closure regarding Amour, at least make it something to remember. And maybe, just maybe I really want Serena to see Ash off as he leaves or goes to Kanto with him, but thats not gonna happen And she didn't even do shit in the Team Flare arc.

This week has been absolutely salty, probably the worst week of September ever. And I'd never thought the writers would actually do this, but they did it anyway to make people suffer.

The worst thing about XY is its rage inducing finale, and that's it.

>>28593508
Honestly, if they didn't make her have the crush on Ash and had this fake Amour subplot, it'd be a lot better, but the ending would still suck.
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>>28593561
>noooo stop discussing things

No marketing team / business is perfect.
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>>28593610
>implying you know shit about marketing
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>>28593545
It's not what I was doing, anon. I said in my first post that this was just my personal reaction to the leak and how the sharp difference in how they present SM vs what we currently get in XY just hit me hard and made me sad for reasons I can't really properly explain.
I never said anything about quality, I even said it didn't look bad.
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>>28593598
>Western.
I don't like the sound of this.
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T-the title is a mistranslation r-right?, j-just like with the league finals r-right?
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>>28593305
Those franchise had pretty much crashed and burnt out a while ago and with the new digimon anime, it goes to show what happens when you try to continue with a continuity for a new generation of fans. It just doesn't work. Newcomers will be turned off by the stuff that requires in-depth knowledge of the lore while old-time fans are wondering why are they retreading old grounds and people acting so retarded. For all its faults, Pokemon anime knows exactly who their target audience is and how to consistently get said demographics interested whether or not the old fanbase had moved on or not.
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>>28593607
>amourfags still not realising that her crush GOT it's closure and insisting the whole thing is a ratings grab or some kind of personal attack all because it didn't end in the way they wanted
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>>28593607
I thought the Flare arc viewed as an action arc was really good. But with the knowledge that Ash had just lost the league and Serena was leaving, I thought it was really strange that neither of them really shone throughout the arc. The only character that I thought really stood out was Eureka.

I also can't really figure out why they pushed Serena's crush so much only to never do anything with it. Ash could literally get married to a girl and it wouldn't change anything about the series.
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>This thread.
>Assumptions and babbling.
It's gonna be the longest month.
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>>28593624
I'm just reacting to the 'made me sad' part. I've seen enough mis-representative marketing to never judge anything or hold any strong emotions until I've actually seen it. It saves me a lot of unneeded anguish so I can enjoy/hate it without any inherent bias.
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>>28593523
>>28593527
>10th in its time slot is good
ahhahahahahahahahaha

yokai watch is 1st
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>>28593305
Anon, even BW, the series with the biggest "reboot everything" feel so far, eventually got extremely heavy with references to older series. That stuff was nice.
XY didn't do much direct referencing, but it still felt like this was the character that had been through the shit we had followed him through. People aren't really expecting all that much more than that, and Pokemon has delivered pretty well when it comes to continuity and references so far.
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>>28593465
B-BUT XY59 SHOWS SERENA IS SUPER SPECIAL TO ASH ANON

I'm glad they're gone.
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>>28593650
No, the writers really just hated Serena all along.
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>>28593698
It just did, anon. I can't even fully explain why it did, but it did. I can't even help the way I feel.
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>>28593716
>I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
>HAHAHAHAHAH.
Get out, DSP.
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>>28593716
See if /vp/ actually had mods like /a/ we wouldn't have to deal with shitposters like this as often. Or at the very least you would be resetting your IP right now.
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>>28593673
What closure?
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>>28593690
It's just your standard ship-teasing. It's not like Pokemon is the only anime that does these things. It's just we haven't seen it happen on Pokemon other than the movie that featured Latias.
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>>28593792
Don't reply and he will get bored.
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>What will Serena do!?
She will fucking leave, and we will all be left with shitty Alola Ash.

Holy fuck god take me now. I really thought i was over this until I re read it and for some reason it just gets on my nerves. We all know she isn't coming, and her "Confession" is going to be half ass just like everything else in this show.

Why does XY have to end lads? It was the perfect time to end Ash's story by giving him Serena and they blew it.
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>>28593731
>Pokemon has delivered pretty well when it comes to continuity and reference

>Continuity
They shit all over continuity all the time. Ash has had two anniversaries with Pikachu, yet he's still 10. He also relearns type advantages every second series.

>References
References and Easter Eggs are very different from continuous plotlines and old, characters that are integral to the plot.
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>>28593007
Lillie will be waifu. I don't see tentacle rape in your post, anon.
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>>28593762
Not much I can say other than to go watch something else in the mean time. The more you focus on it, the more it just gets to you.
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>>28593793
Don't feed the trolls. You're literally responding to the guy who spent 3 years spamming that Serena would fall in love with Citron.

>>28593797
I can't actually think of another action/adventure series where the main girl has a crush that is not resolved somehow. Or at the very least I can't remember something like that happening and thinking it was well done.
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Chances this dude cameos in the last episodes?
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>>28593814
>hurr he doesn't age so there's no continuity
Stop
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>>28593813
We still have 20 more years to milk out of him pls understand.
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>>28593843
Same as Hilda
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>>28593797
This. I don't know you get the idea Serena was going to confess and Ash would say Marry me and they would go to sunset in a Ponyta to get married and have children. I mean, it's this your first cartoon show? Fuck.
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I just wanted Ash's story to end.

Now it never will unless Sun/Moon tanks really badly.
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>>28593818
I didn't say what her speciality is in or that she is a Pokemon professor Anon :^)

Ever hear of the Satoshibowl? its a new sport in the Pokemon world revolving around getting dah Satoshi and Professor Lillie is studying it thoroughly,
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>>28593840
>Only one person doesn't ship amour

Are you actually retarded or just trying to get a reaction?
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>>28593889
Write a fanfic, you dense Tistic. I want to keep watching Ash shenanigans in different regions.
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>>28593874
Wow you sure destroyed that strawman.
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>people trying to have a genuine conversation
>shitposters spamming the same shitty pasta over and over and derailing shit
I miss 2014.
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>>28593690
It's just a ship tease in the end, and I think they've done a good job with it since it got a lot of people interested in Amour and Serena, at least until this week. Amour is just left anchored or sunk.

>>28593650
I don't see Clemont and Bonnie anywhere in her episode and she's going to leave and Ash is left all alone at Xerosic's mercy. Just expect the worst.

>>28593742
The Mirror world episode was just pointless in the end. They just wanted to see her suffer. She gets 'character development' and chooses to leave Ash in the end. Serena in truth, wasn't really that great of a yandere waifu to begin with.
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>>28593927
Nice. Where can I find all this S&M fanart? Only in Pixiv?
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I'm curious as to what Xerosic will do and what does that have to do with Greninja.
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>>28593840
Well, there's your problem. You're assuming Serena is main girl when she's just one of the several rotating cast of the franchise.
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>>28593972
I find them in Japanese twitters.
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>>28593946
Serena deredere on the other hand is a S tier waifu.
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>>28593946
>It's just a ship tease in the end, and I think they've done a good job with it since it got a lot of people interested in Amour and Serena, at least until this week. Amour is just left anchored or sunk.

But you can conclude it with a confession. He can reject her and say he wants to go traveling and that's perfectly reasonable. There's literally no reason to not just conclude it somehow, kids aren't going to drop the series because a plot point was resolved.

>>28593989
Serena was the main girl of Pokemon XY, don't be a fucking pedant.
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I do like the idea of Ash and Lillie having opposing personalities but warming up to each other.
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The pokemon who looks like a fat Pachirisu seems a good candidate for Nenene's place.
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>>28594084
Let's see.
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>>28594117
It looks like shit
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>>28593514
>because there was more freedom for the writers to actually do cool stuff and less executive meddling.

To be honest, there's not a lot of mandates that TPCi sets out for Tokyo TV.

>Ash is main character
>Pikachu must never be separated from Ash for more than one episode
>Ash cannot develop romantic feelings
>Ash cannot win a league
>Support characters and previous region Pokemon cannot continue with Ash to to new regions (exception: Pikachu)

Thats pretty much it, and it all makes a lot of sense too.

Ash and Pikachu are the second face of the franchise, and have to be the focus - recognizable brand marketing.
Ash isn't allowed to develop romantic feelings primarily because it would take his focus off of Pokemon, which is what the series is about.
Ash can't win a league because the kids watching the shows have to understand that even if they don't beat the league, it's not the end - they can always try again, or buy the new game and try there.
Support characters and other Pokemon can't move on purely to allow Ash to introduce new characters in the next game's region.

Most of these were invoked about halfway through the Johto series - which is when TPCi clamped down on everything (also happened very shortly after Puzzle League N64 released).

The writers are a little fucked if they want to do long involved plotlines, because they aren't allowed to. Character development either gets erased or the character gets put on a bus at the end of the series. So they can put time and effort into making a fantastic series that won't continue on past 2-3 seasons that will get the best ratings and will sell tons of merchandise, or they can put in minimal effort for 2-3 seasons, get ok-good ratings, and still sell tons of merchandise.

I don't blame them for taking the easy way out.
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>>28594050
Right, and XY is over soon, so Serena will no longer be main girl. So, no longer main girl, no longer a problem.
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>>28594155
Don't be jealous, Nene.
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>>28594050
>He can reject her and say he wants to go traveling and that's perfectly reasonable
That would just break the hearts of kids that were invested in her crush and make them severely dislike him. You can't really just do that.
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>>28594050
Well, with what we've got this week, always expect the worst when it happens.

>>28594041
>you will never have a waifu who is as perfect as Serena

Why live?
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>>28594084
I would laugh if Lillie ever says 'I'm just your normal average school girl' before Ash drops out of the sky and lands in her lap somehow.
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>>28592796
>>After Pikachu loses to the new trainer's Hitokage

>But Satoshi's mother hears of this, and using Barrierd's psychic powers, makes Satoshi and Pikachu forget Serena forever!!

10/10 anon, thank you for this
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>>28594160
>Ash cannot develop romantic feelings
>Ash cannot win a league
>Support characters and previous region Pokemon cannot continue with Ash to to new regions (exception: Pikachu)
I don't think these are mandates. Brock and Aipom already broke the latter one, even.
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>>28594032
Love is just a excuse to procreate, and a star is just a sphere of plasma in a suspended nothingness.
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>>28593895
I like the way you think, Anon
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>>28594198
Then he can say he doesn't know or Serena can say he can respond later after she becomes Kalos Queen and then she literally can just never appear again.

>>28594201
I haven't expected anything for a long time.
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i wonder how tricky will be for Ash using th Z-Moves, or if by doing that he screws up Pikachu in some way. that would be a nice arc, mastering the Z Ring.
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>Farewell Ash-Greninja
What did they mean by this?
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>>28594250
Man I'm gonna miss cute
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>>28594261
Doesn't the summary say he found the Z ring and immediately knew how to use it?
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>>28594250
Or they can have her appear a bit off and on here and there. Kids liked the romance angle. They put it there and pushed it for a reason.
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>>28594282
No, that was someone posing as a translator.
It says
>This is new 4: An explosion of Z-moves!!
>Ash learns to use Z-moves, which lets one combine their powers with those of Pokémon and unleash it!? He's able to successfully use them together with Pikachu!
>*In the wake of a certain event, Ash gets a Z-Ring!
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>>28594050
Ash outright rejecting Serena doesn't sound like XY Ash, maybe telling her that she should follow her dream without directly rejecting her feeling for him.
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>>28594282
Tries to use it.
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>>28593223
Why are there boys there?
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>>28594310
>>28594312
Oh shit, thanks for the info m8s
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>>28594318
Because reasons... homo reasons.
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>>28594160
>Ash can't win a league because the kids watching the shows have to understand that even if they don't beat the league, it's not the end - they can always try again, or buy the new game and try there.

I don't agree with this reasoning.

>Ash isn't allowed to develop romantic feelings primarily because it would take his focus off of Pokemon, which is what the series is about.

It doesn't need to be the main focus if it were to ever happen, so I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed to happen.

>>28594273
Me too

>>28594288
My point is that they can just write her off if they want to as long as they take her crush and conclude it somehow. I asked earlier and I can not think of a single anime where one of the main characters has a crush on someone and it goes absolutely nowhere without any resolution.

>>28594311
It's all fine, just some sort of conclusion would be good.
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>>28594232
Those first two have been confirmed by the writers.

I don't know where he got that last one, though it seems logical enough.
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>>28594232
It's probably more like 'old characters cannot overshadow the new cast' or something. Just like with Pokemon. You can reuse them, but they can't overtake the new games/cast in prominence since that's not what the game is currently selling.
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>>28594288
Not likely. By that logic it would make more sense to make one of the new girls get in a romantic setting for exposition sake
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>>28594310
>*In the wake of a certain event.
What event could make Ash find one of those. Interesting.
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>>28594160
>Ash isn't allowed to develop romantic feelings primarily because it would take his focus off of Pokemon

No, they get to decide if it takes his focus off of Pokemon or not.
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Greninja's Episode is a mistranslation right?

i don't want greninja to leave ash ;_;
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>>28593843
Don't worry, he's Serena's trophy husband after Ash leaves.

>it literally all comes together
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>>28594363
No, they haven't. The first one was Shudo being asshurt, and the latter is that same fucking Hidaka misquote newfags like you always quote. Lurk the fuck more already, that quote gets corrected every other fucking week.
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>>28594375
Based sm Satoshi will make ub02 shit it's pants with a z move and xyfags will be on suicide watch

Screencap this.
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>>28594160
>Ash isn't allowed to develop romantic feelings primarily because it would take his focus off of Pokemon, which is what the series is about.

But what if Lillie is a UB, Anon?
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>>28594350
>My point is that they can just write her off if they want to as long as they take her crush and conclude it somehow. I asked earlier and I can not think of a single anime where one of the main characters has a crush on someone and it goes absolutely nowhere without any resolution.
Any open-ended harem anime.
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>>28594478
Those are typically incomplete adaptations of manga or VNs that have more proper ends, anon.
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>>28594418
>Serena finishes her last performance
>Oh mademoiselle, c'est magnifique! baggete! omelette du frog!
At least he's better looking.
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>>28593183
Ash. It'll be the perfect episode to demonstrate the pokemons lore. Rockruff leaving Ash in the middle of the night, Ash freaking out looking for him with his friends, and Rockruff coming back as either a midday or midnight form
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>>28594519
Doesn't matter. You said anime, not manga or VN.
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Ash-Greninja had a shit life.

>bullied by other Froakies because he wanted to train and be /fit/
>each of the trainers that tried to take him were selfish and unloving so he didn't want to listen to them
>finally finding a trainer that can bring out his potential
>some prophecy say he will save Kalos and achieve greatness
>evolve all the way to final form, actually achieving that power that he knew he had all the time
>mastering it together with his trainer after hardship and hardwork
>rekting the entire league, just about to win with ultra shuriken
>getting BURASTU BAAN the same time his shuriken hit
>his body give up first before the edgyzard
>feel ashamed, trainer still try to make you happy about being second place
>get betrayed by edgelord with edgezard
>get crucified
>didn't do much against the evil ginger guy, edgelord and the mecha zygarde takes all the credit
>welp
>on the way to his trainer home, he and his trainer get attacked by some shitty evil guy with contrarian squid
>the evil guy shoot him with something and suddenly he can't use his bond form anymore
>he won't even show up in the games anymore with that form.


and this is supposed to be Japan favorite pokemon.
What the fuck, writers?
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>>28594519
>I asked earlier and I can not think of a single anime
>Harem Animes
>BUT THOSE AREN'T REAL ANIME

Don't break your back moving those goalposts
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Hahahaha

Holy shit what a mess.
I just watched the "one-hour" episode. I almost lost it when Zygarde went Zorro. The part with the Gym Leaders was cringey as fuck, Satoshi did nothing of importance, Greninja did nothing special and might as well have not been there. What the fuck happened to the prophecy and how Greninja would be of importance to save the world? Fuck it, it's Alan who saved Hari-san as well. Satoshi did fuck all.

Still had some Mache service so it's not all bad.
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Write out how the final Ash and Serena episode will go.
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How many stupid word filter are there
DISGUSTING
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>>28592559
>Is Lillie liked in Japan as much as she seems to be here?

Where do you think the Lille fanart anons have been spamming in these threads the past week come from?
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>>28594590
>his body give up first before the edgyzard

Yeah...

EdgyZardX didn't even get knocked out by a Precipice Blade from Primal Groudon. He got his shit kicked in, but not knocked out.

I'm not surprised at all that Greninja fell over first. I mean hell, EdgyZard didn't even fall over and was walking fine afterwards.
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>>28593843
>Comes in a few episodes before last
>Has crush on Serena
>Asks Ash for a battle and if he wins Serena comes with him
>Ash goes hard in the paint wipes the floor with him because Serena is on the line
>yfw Serena sprints to Ash and hugs him after he wins.
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>>28594590
They are just trying to give us some drama but fail horrible at it.
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>>28594643

We already know

Ash is going to throw the match so that Serena will train as a conductor.

Then he'll say they'll definitely see each other again.

Then they'll never see each other again.
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>>28594653
>EdgyZardX didn't even get knocked out by a Precipice Blade from Primal Groudon. He got his shit kicked in, but not knocked out.

Are you retarded? That was a knockout. His flame almost fucking went out.
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>>28594590
For some reason they like pissing off the fans. It's like a "haha we tricked you into giving us views, thanks for the cash suckers. Now fuck off, we don't need you anymore"
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>>28594659
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Pokemon trying to go "mature" with drama was a horrible mistake.
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>>28594683
then why didn't he get out of his mega form?
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>>28594554
>>28594600
Wasn't even my post. Thanks for proving you were just shitposting though.
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>>28594685
They are fucking Jews
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>>28594250

That's what they typically do. Dawn's cameo, they both said 'they'll meet each other again' or 'see you later' but they never did come through with it. It's going to be no different with Serena. She gets her special episode and cameos of the next gen series out of her own popularity, and she'll be axed off the series permanently like Dawn or May or whatever.

>>28594273

I'm really going to miss her.

>>28594350

I just hope that the writers give her a nice sendoff. Something memorable at the very least.

I don't want her to be in Alola though, maybe Gen 8 hopefully (if it lasts for more than two-three years). Just the whole atmosphere looks so atrocious, that a Serena cameo there would just be ruined.

>>28594685

It's as if they knew how to exactly piss them off, at the right timing.
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hasnt been good since misty left :^)
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>>28594590
>the evil guy shoot him with something and suddenly he can't use his bond form anymore
Is this confirmed?
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>>28594680
If she makes a cameo the promise is kept, just like with Misty. Then she never comes back, like Misty ahahaha
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Core-chan and eureko carried the anime.
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>>28594704
So, Pokemon was a mistake since the very beginning? Maturity and drama have always been there.
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Pokenchi thread for Rinkafags and friends:
>>28594760
>>28594760
>>28594760
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>>28594683
>That was a knockout. His flame almost fucking went out.

No it wasn't you dumb fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDaXh7Dd3gY

THAT was a Knockout. He reverts to Non-Mega form when he gets knocked out.

And it took fucking Two Dragon Pulses from a Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise, along with a Power Up Punch, Hydro Pump, and Skull Bash.

He didn't get knocked unconscious from Groudon's hit, else he reverts to Non-Mega, like he always fucking does when he gets KO'd.
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serena is ugly
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>>28594771
What's the point in watching these?
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>>28594554
>>28594600
Yes and those series all have conclusions in LNs, manga, or VNs.
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>>28594242
*Tips fedora*
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>>28594683
>>28594786

In fact, all the Mega's lose their Mega form when they get knocked out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTLjuii45GU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhZBMOXRzqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLQ41nfrtkY

Having his tail nearly go out just means he got his shit kicked in, but he was still perfectly conscious.
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>>28592974
Can't wait for best boy to be on TV
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>>28594659
>>28594689
>>28594741
I'll never forget her.
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>>28594841

Congratulations - we're talking about Anime, not VN's or LN's.
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XY&Z has destroyed all that's been built up during XY and the first half of XY&Z. Writers stuck with a status quo is really the best thing ever.
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>>28594857
>Kiawe will never make a fiery dance in your boypussy.
Sweet dreams are made of this.
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>>28594896
No we weren't. My original post was:

>I asked earlier and I can not think of a single anime where one of the main characters has a crush on someone and it goes absolutely nowhere without any resolution.

I did not specify where the resolution would need to take place.
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>>28594683

Alain gets knocked the fuck out if it makes you feel better, but Charizard never leaves his Mega form.
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>>28594883
What's Serena doing in the pic
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>>28594907
The irony is that the status quo went out the window with S&M.
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>>28594590
This is not ok. This is NOT ok.
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I see that some people say that Serena isnt in love with Ash anymore.

Is it true ?+
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>>28594940
Smiling and making sure we don't see her panties.
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>>28594924
>I can not think of a single anime where
>I did not specify where the resolution would need to take place.

I know you're shitposting at this point. 4/10, got me to respond.
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>>28594950
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>>28594907
I'm mad they didn't just reveal all this crap at once to enjoy the cumulative ass hurt all at once. Now it's sort of deluded since most people no longer expected anything good after xyz38. It can't even be enjoyed properly.
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>>28594948
S&M don't need to fit the status quo since it's not a league conference.
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Eureka is best girl
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>>28594950
Just delete your post please. This thread has been very calm for the past few hours.
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>>28594907
The question is why they couldn't give a satisfying ending and continue with an alternate reality/timeline Ash and Pikachu? They could still leave other possibilities open rather than just retconning the shit out of it and pretending that everything before the series happened but they didn't bother to mention it.

>>28594990
They probably intentionally revealed it all in the same week to see how much asspain it would generate. And they did a pretty good job with it too.
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>>28594979
I can see here the moment Kennedy is shot.
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>>28594950
if dubs you will meet ash in a dark alley next night
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After XYZ 46, will they make Rica tweet something again to calm the waters?
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>>28594883
Cute.
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>>28594979
you ALMOST got me, anon
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>>28594896

Not them, but man,
>Most of crush plots in fantasy genre movies get conclusion
>lel Eragon
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We'll get new SM Preview tonight right?
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Today we aren't getting a new XY&Z44 preview, are we?

>>28595050
Why after that episode? If anything more likely when there's another SM trailer.
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>>28595050
>Le damage control maymay.
Precita, they miss you sperging back in TvTropes.
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Anyone else wants Ash to bring back his Genwun Pokemon?

>Bulbasaur becoming a senpai for Mallow's Rowlet.

>Charizard having a rivalry with Kiawe's Charizard.

>Lapras becoming Ash's pokemon again after his son takes over the role of leader of his herd.

>Snorlax learning how to dance.
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>>28594979
I wished.
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>>28594990
The League was always a fucking mistake anyway.
The Flare plot was a mistake.
It's nothing but the usual "muh friendship! let's unite our forces! Our nakama are here for us!" crap you find in Fairy Tail all the time. It wasn't even a fight and the animation wasn't even that good.
It's just crap.
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>>28594975
>be incredibly pedantic and try to use anime that are adaptations of completed series to ignore the point I was trying to make
>get butthurt

The phrase "I can not think of a single anime where one of the main characters has a crush on someone" is then followed by a conjunction "and" which then leads to the next phrase "it goes absolutely nowhere without any resolution". "it" refers to the crush and no longer needs to refer to being in the anime.


But here I'll play along and admit I made a mistake. You're right I was wrong, I didn't specify that they needed to not be adaptations.

Now please tell me which manga / LN / anime series has a main character have a serious crush (i.e. not the MC's best friend who has a crush on some girl for comedic effect) that doesn't get resolved in some way.
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>>28594907
>Writers stuck with a status quo is really the best thing ever.
The reset works better for games because they change all the characters at once, i think the mistake is keep Ash forever like mc in all the regions, is ridiculous, he can't be a 10 years old kid forever the timeline is broken, besides they changed his design so many times, got a different face in each season, is just weird.
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>>28594791
Exact.
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>>28595120
>Fairy Tail

Why the fuck are you bringing a One Piece rip off into this?
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>>28595120
>It's nothing but the usual "muh friendship! let's unite our forces! Our nakama are here for us!" crap you find in Fairy Tail all the time. It wasn't even a fight and the animation wasn't even that good.

You just described all of pokemon

Which is why I feel amour stuck with me so much, it was new and fresh.

>inb4 delusional maymay
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>>28595016
Because writers are lazy as fuck, or Game Freak has an iron grip on the anime. Or both.
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>>28595005
PERVERT ALERT
WEEEE WEEEEW
WEEEE WEEEEW

czzzh We gotta Code: F4-66-07
I repeat we spotted a massive faggot
Over czzzh

WEEEE WEEEEW
WEEEE WEEEEW
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Anyone here watches Western Cartoons???
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>>28595110
>Mallow's Rowlet
Isn't the Rowlet Ash's?
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'Member Misty?

OHHH I MEMBER!
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>>28595132
It's a fucking cartoon, it would be like being asshurt the the Coyote survives falling from a cliff for 5 decades.
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>>28595061
Someone translated it. All I remember is that the TV guy wants to go make the new anime and Serena blames him for making Ash lose the league. I don't remember what Ash says to Serena but then the TV guy basically says, "Okay now lets go make that anime."

I might be completely wrong though.
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So I had an idea about the Farewell, AshGreninja episode.

What if the final form of AshGreninja is in exchange for Ash losing the ability to use Synchro with Greninja like the shared senses, pain, and vision, Greninja takes on the AshGreninja form permanently.

This leads to Ash releasing AshGreninja so that it can stay behind in Kalos to continue watching over the region since danger still is out there and because Puni-chan has gone into slumber?
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>>28592994
Or maybe it just a "not knowing" winner in the battle like YuGiOh GX end: Jaden vs Yugi.
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>>28595159
I watch Western Cartoons.
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Hey guys, just started watching the anime this week and just got up to meeting korrina

Really bugging me though because her voice is really familiar and I can't remember who it's from? Pretty sure it was someone from the anime previously but Google didn't help
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>>28595094
After the trailer's reception, I expect the next one to be flawless
But for the episode, I honestly can't think of any scenario where Greninja loses it's power and people are satisfied
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>>28595187
>it would be like being asshurt the the Coyote survives falling from a cliff for 5 decades.
I don't think this anime follows that kind of logic.
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>>28595213
Kill yourself
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Reposting autism from an old thread, 1/2.

>the before last episode of XY&Z
>Serena wants to have a talk alone with Ash as she has something important to tell him
>once they're alone Serena first says that she's sorry that she failed to help him at the climax of the league as she too failed to accomplish her goal of becoming Kalos Queen
>then Ash interrupts her that it's his fault as he failed to help her during the Master Class and losing at the league final was all his fault
>so they begin to pity themselves with eachothers for their failures
>but they also begin an exchange of constantly reminding the other of different occasions one was helped by the other "but remember when you..." with a bunch of flashbacks of one having helped/cheered for the other
>at the end they both have a laugh at it and agree that although their goals are different in a way they're two of a kind
>but suddenly they both look down and have a sad look as they both realize their time together is about to end, so they have the following conversation
>Serena: So, you're heading back home tomorrow...
>Ash: Yes...
>Serena: That way you can continue with your dream...
>Ash: Yes...
>Serena: Ash, I...
>Ash: Serena, let's make a promise, let's meet again once we managed to accomplish our dreams.
>Serena: Yes! But Ash...
>Ash: So, it's promise!
>Serena: Ash, I'll swear by that promise, but there's something I should tell you, no, I must tell you now because it can't wait any longer...
>Before Serena can say anything else Ash gets closer to her and whispers something on her ear, this can't be heard by the viewers
>Immediately Serena blushes and puts her hands on the ribbon as Ash faces away and runs off although his eyes cannot be seen a tear can be seen running down his face
>Serena mumbles "Ash..." as a tear is also seen running down her face, her eyes are not seen though
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>>28595162
Ash was shown fighting Luchacat with Pikachu in the concept art. Maybe they are gonna break the reset rule and give him strong pokemon right off the bat.
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Hopefully Team Skull shows up often throughout the anime.
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>>28595196
No Ash should keep everything
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>>28595235
No, I won't. Whatcha gonna do, fat boy? Shit your pants?
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>>28595244
Is this the absolute earliest the evil team has showed up, assuming that's SM01?
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>>28593007
Oh damn man. You cant post that here because automatically it converts in no-canon shit.

If trips or more that will be the true end of SM
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>Ash and Serena never got to dance
Rip
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>>28595196
The bond doesn't work anymore because the stars aren't aligned anymore. Greninja goes back to being another Greninja. No more use so Ash gives up on it.
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>>28595240
2/2

>The next day at the airport Ash is about to board his flight back to Kanto
>Serena, Clemont, Bonnie, Sycamore, Limone and Alexa all came for the farewell
>Everybody tells Ash something for the farewell and finally it's Serena's turn as she slowly approaches him
>Then Ash extends his arm and says
>Ash: Serena, remember to keep that promise, will you?
>Serena: Of course, Ash!
>Ash and Serena fist bump, while Clemont looks a little confused and Bonnie has a smug look as she might've figured what happened between Ash and Serena yet both siblings join the fistbump
>Finally Ash's flight departs and heads back to Kanto
>Narrator: Blah blah blah...
>Everybody has walked away but Serena looks at the sky as plane gets farther away and puts her hands on her ribbon again as there's a brief flashback of Ash whispering to her the day before as she thinks to herself
>Serena: I... I love you too Ash!
>To Be Continued

Rate my autism.
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>>28595244
I'm surprised they will be shown the first episode. We usually have to wait two seasons for the Villain Team to appear.
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The summary for this episode implies that Ash-Greninja will lose its power. Seriously that doesn't any sense
>We spend more than 30 episodes of Greninja's new power
>Loses the League
>Doesn't do anything impressive in the TF arc
>Now its going to lose the power.
What was the fucking point then? This is the worst case of bad writting i've seen in Pokemon so far.
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>>28594883
>>28595094
>>28595135
>you will never marry and procreate with Serena

Why live?
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>>28595240
>>28595279
10/10
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>XY&Z45: One Last Battle with Ash! Serena's Choice!! (Oct 13th)
>As Serena is torn on what she should do next as a Performer, Ash proposes a Pokémon Battle. What will Serena do!?
I told you guys... I really did try to warn you...
Now it's all over

Where do you want it, heart or face?
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>>28595240
>>28595279
makes me sad because it won't happen/10
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>>28595279
Better end and something not out of character for them.
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>>28595132
>he can't be a 10 years old kid forever
>the timeline is broken
>they changed his design so many times
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>>28595301
Status quo and more money
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>>28595240
>>28595279
10/10 even though there's a higher chance of Iris coming back and the next 120 episodes all focusing on finding that damn Kibago
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>>28595244
Hopefully Ash clowns them to show his competence.
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>>28595301
Maybe Xerosic rebuilt the corruption beam machine and will use it on Greninja and etc.
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So we free for 2 weeks.
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>SM01: Aloha!! Discovering Adventures in the Alola Region!

>SM02: School Starts!! Discovering Z-Moves! Pikachu's New Power?!

>SM03: Enter Mokuroh! A New Friend With Passion!!

>SM04: The Mysterious Skull-dan Appears! Leave Our Homework Alone!

>SM05: The First Island Challenge! Pikachu VS Kapu-Kokeko?!

>SM06: Māmane's Worry! Togedemaru Gets Lost?!
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Here is your xyz45 spoiler.
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You never stood a chance
I was chosen by the Greatest to carry my mission
Next time listen the message
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I'm happy to see Ash, Delia and Mr.Mine together again. They are a family after all
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>>28595270
Yeah that was actually bullshit.
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>>28595159
Not anymore, I just can't handle the insanity of all those characters.
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>>28594950
No, she doesn't. She fell out of love with him after their argument.
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>>28595301
Not only that, but because of time Ash won't give a fuck about it and will continue happy with his life right away
I seriously hope I'm wrong
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>>28595400
>Riding sharpedos, flying charizards, tauros moving carriages.
Alolans are Luddites.
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>>28595319
At least we'll never forget her ;_; oh god it hurts so much
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>>28595400
Oh, she got SMified too...
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Will Lillie date Mallow or Lana?
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>Serena's va is a literal who of course she will stay
>TPCI removed Alola Serena. Whe will stay for sure
>Customization and Amie are coming back
>Idols are still popular as fuck
NEVER EVER
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>>28595439

What argument?

Also seriously?

ONE argument and she's done?

Misty had a fucking argument with Ash literally every episode and her feelings never changed.
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>>28595470
Lillie is not for girls.
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>>28595412
Maybe when they meet again
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>>28595297
That's because aether are the bad guys. Guzma and friends are just thornies.
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>>28594979
photoshop nice
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>>28595329
>>28595279
both of these would be fucking fantastic, but even with an ending like this it will still be hard to watch her leave the show.
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>>28595472
Don't fight with him
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Today could be the day. I still believe
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>>28595498
Theoretically speaking why would Chicken be in Alola from the start? She's supposed to move there. Transfer student when?
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>>28595244
This. I can't wait to see Plumeria and Guzma.
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>>28595497
Seriously though, what did Serena and Ash fight about?
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Its funny how all of /padt/ theorys got BTFO. From Ash and Alan rematch to Serena confessing.
Will you guys ever learn???
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>>28595498
Never give up til the end! Which is ironically the start of the series for her.
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>>28595487
>it's a school dance ep
>all this fuss over who's going to be Ash's partner
>he brings Serena
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>>28595478
>implying
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>>28595132
XY was set up to give Ash a good end but they wasted that opportunity and probably make him an unbearable character during SM. Character regression like this is what causes people to drop the show.
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>>28595472
The argument they had during the Wulfric arc. Serena saw Ash was not perfect and stopped loving him. There's been no blushing over Ash that was romance related since then.
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>>28595400
So they made Mr. Mime and Delia look like shit too, huh
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>>28595525
the bigger irony is if SM theories are easily telegraphed.
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>>28595488
I hope Aether has better motivations than Flare. I'm tired of all that "make a perfect world, fucjing ningens get out reeeeeeee" vapid grandiosity of past teams. I'm more than okay with Skull being small time crooks.
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>>28595525
>theorys
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>>28595525
>theorys
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>>28595521
I want Team Skull to be a family of outcasts and misfits. neither death cult nor mafia.
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>>28595472
Just ignore him he spent the last 3 years claiming Serena was going to fall in love with Citron and this is his new tactic.
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>>28595525
>Theorys.
Hmmm.
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>>28595529
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>>28595240
10/10 would lmao again
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>>28595542
...seriously?

I missed this entirely. Is that actually how it went down?

Cause that's hilariously awful if so.
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>>28595529
This would single handedly save the SM anime or if the SM anime is actually good it would propel it to the level of a masterpiece.
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>>28595529
I would 100% take this as her cameo.
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>>28595599
So there wasn't an argument between Serena and Ash?

Thank goodness.
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>>28595625
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you aren't samefagging to respond to yourself (but I'm pretty sure you are) but he's full of shit that isn't what happened. That kind of thing would maybe happen in a more "adult" show but not in a kids show like this, Serena falling out of love would be clearly spelled out.
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>>28595471
Eh, she could still voice other characters. Brock hasn't appeared in a long while yet Yuji Ueda is still voicing Pokémon.
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>>28595635
It's like some of you are really asking for shitposting
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>>28595661

Not samefagging myself, just super confused. I missed a few episodes and then all of a sudden someone says that during those episodes they had a falling out - I was super fucking confused.

Good to know he's full of shit.
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What did they mean by this?
>>
Any reaction from the nips about XYZ 46 title and summary?
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>>28595542
>Serena saw Ash was not perfect and stopped loving him

This really doesnt make sense to me, I thought the whole point of her crush was that it was unconditional love and that no matter what Serena saw through Ash's flaws.

Isn't that what candy girl is all about too?
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>>28595698
Furry
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Was this posted already? Greninja with Ash's strongest mons.
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>>28595698
Writers tried to push amour, producers told them to stop.
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>>28592973
I'm sorry you can't get your degenerate rocks off, Anon. Maybe you'll find solace somewhere else.
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>>28595617
>>28595635
>>28595636

Be honest here guys.

We all know Misty would bully her way to the dance.
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>>28595729
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>>28595715
I don't know, but people here will tell you lies.
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>>28595698
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>>28595645
There was but both felt a little bad about it specially Serena as she handled it the worst with her outright violent reaction Ash ended up thanking her because she "made him see the light".
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>>28595741
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>>28595196
Well, Greninja isn't a "temporal super form" (like Megas) in Pokemon Shuffle or TCG, so... maybe
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>>28595698
I don't understand that face Ash is making I just can't figure it out.
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>>28595729
Been posted a couple times.
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>>28593106
Or maybe Ash decided lose on purpose only for say "However you chose, i will cheer you." or shit like that. There will not be more "romance" perform than that.

>>28593558
>>28594084
Seatmate jokes like tonari no seki kun?

>>28594417
It will end Greninja staying in that ninja town, just like Charizard in that valley.

>>28594457
If Ash start have feelings for Lillie not knowing it already IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.

>>28594979
that pic just start to be anoying

>>28595487
Graduation party dance?

>>28595698
Ash discovers a new fetish.
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>>28593016
You're way too invested, Anon.
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>XY&Z45: One Last Battle with Ash! Serena's Choice!! (Oct 13th)
>>As Serena is torn on what she should do next as a Performer, Ash proposes a Pokémon Battle. What will Serena do!?

>spend years trolling us with titles
>basically tell us "Serena is leaving" at the very end

At least they aren't making it look like she has a chance?
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>>28595731
What did they mean by this?
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>>28595729
>Ash's Strongest Mons
>Not Snorlax

Yeah, no.

Ash's Powerhouse Pokemon are as follows:

Pikachu >= Snorlax >>> Infernape > Charizard >>> Sceptile > Heracross >> Donphan/Kingler/Muk >>> The Rest
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>>28595773
Okay I found the spic.

>>28595793
I wish I knew.
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>>28595785
See it by the other way... Mirror Ash has the chance beat Mirror Serena for once at all.
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>>28595717
Serena hasn't romantically blushed at Ash since then.
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>>28595785
Are you 77?
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>>28595798
Where's Greninja?
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>>28595729
>>28595747
Yes.

>>28595785
She might not leave in that episode though, same with Clemont and Bonnie, maybe when Ash returns to Kanto which likely will happen in the last episode or the one before it.
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>>28595785
They're just toying with us and trolling with us as they have been doing for years on end. It's not surprising, really. We probably don't get to see Serena seeing Ash off as he leaves Kalos. That episode would make a difference whether or not she loves him or anything. Or the staff have been trolling everyone and decide to sink Amour just for the hell of it.
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>>28595831
dead.
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>>28595819
At least something positive will come of it then, I guess...

>>28595828
No, Serena is perfect regardless of how long her hair is or what outfit she's wearing.
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>>28595645
There was an argument, but they made up at the end.
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>>28595849
That episode was he first time team rocket gave me the feels.
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>>28595759
I had the idea because I was thinking about the Hero Greninja from the ninja village. It was the fact that it, along with other Pokemon were the ones who saved the village.

There was no mention of a trainer, human partner, or anything of that kind. So it had to get that form some how if it was fighting independently.

So what if it was possible to hold that form indefinitely. That's when I thought of the final Greninja form was permanent AshGreninja.

Because not only that, during TF Greninja takes damage but Ash doesn't feel the pain. Maybe it's because of time constraints, but it could also be a sign to show that Greninja is becoming strong enough to control the AshGreninja power on its own.

Like Mega Evolution a Pokemon only becomes able to use it when a Trainer becomes its 2nd half to unlock that power.

But since AshGreninja while similar to Mega Evolution, is said to have latent abilities to achieve a power never seen before, being able to control and use the AshGreninja power on it's own would be said latent abilities.
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>>28595820
Get a job
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>This thread.
I guess you guys got a bad case of the blues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYH8DsU2WCk
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>>28595847
>Or maybe they are trolling the denialfags that wont amour happen, making it real

Just saying what amourfags want to hear. That will never happen.
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>>28595773
>If Ash start have feelings for Lillie not knowing it already IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.

The first girl Ash ever loves turns out to be a pokemon and they can't stay together because of that. Ash procedes to Seppuku. The end of ashnime?
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>>28595847
If Serena will come anywhere close to confess or not is uncertain but more likely she and the others will be there to give Ash the farewell when he leaves Kalos.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eab_beh07HU
Stop the weeping, anons, it's useless. Let's start anew in Alola.
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>>28595785
Sure, but the episode will more likely be on which path she takes to continue with her performer career.
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>>28595831

My bad. Greninja is floating around Sceptile and Heracross.

He's not stronger than Charizard, but he's better than Ash's mook tanks.
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>>28595785
>basically tell us "Serena is leaving" at the very end
yep, pretty much saying "remember how invested you got with Serena and Ash? lol faggots."
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>people paying attention to stale
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OFF MY WAY! MY SQUID HAS MENSTRUAL CRAMPS!
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https://my.mixtape.moe/pfprmn.mp4
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>>28595948
>people paying attention to Serena
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Are there SERIOUSLY people that actually expected Serena to go with Ash to Alola?

What fucking series have THEY been watching for the past 20 years?
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>>28595957
Ahahahahahah make it happen in animu!
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>>28595965
>not paying attention to Serena >>28594983
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>>28595965
Serena
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>>28595988
Don't underestimate the power of shipping, Anon
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>>28595988
>expected

I don't think anybody in this thread expected her to go to Alola, although a lot of spics and people on Tumblr did. All we had was hope.
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>>28595874
Serena doesn't love Ash anymore. Time to move on.
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Serena should love girls! GIRLS!
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>>28595965
Why not
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>>28596035
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>>28595988
I actually expected Ash to not go to Alola.
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>>28596005
Best character ever
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Happy Serenas only!
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>>28595301
>What was the fucking point then?
Executive meddling. It feels like they pushed until the very end, but by the time they had to write the league's final the suits got the last word.

After that it's just finding a way to undo everything in the most graceful fashion so Ash can go back to zero in time for the new season.
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>>28595988
The one where Misty traveled with Ash through Kanto, the Orange Islands and Johto, Brock going to Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh, May through Hoenn and Kanto.

It's not impossible for a companion character to get a 2nd region to explore, and with Serena's popularity and the fact that SM doesn't have gyms made the speculation more possible.

It was unlikely and anyone who thought that there was a chance should have expected this outcome, but it wasn't impossible for her to appear. Just extremely unlikely.
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>>28595988
Before we found out about the Sun/Moon art style revamp and reboot nature....I did think there was a small possibility.
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>>28596035
Shokugeki no souma?
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>>28596061
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>>28596061
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>>28596071

>It was unlikely and anyone who thought that there was a chance should have expected this outcome, but it wasn't impossible for her to appear. Just extremely unlikely.

This.
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>>28596071
You know Brock somehow managing to stay for 4 generations and 600+ episodes really is such an oddity compared to everyone else.

He advertised nothing after Kanto or Johto like Misty did, but he still managed to stick around. Surely by the end of AG the writers really had no reason to keep using him.
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>>28596030
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>>28596094
I mean he defintely left the series because in DP he basically just stood around explaining things.
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>It didn't get the resolution I wanted so amour got no resolution
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>>28595301
Who knows
All of this feels weird
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Why are they both so cute while sleeping? Don't respond to post above me it's the guy who says amour has stagnated.
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>>28596056
People hoping for Serena to go to Alola I can almost sorta understand. It'd never happen, but I can see why they have some semblance of hope for it.

But...

>Anime moving on from Ash

What the literal fuck? You didn't seriously expect this right? This IS trolling?
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>>28596139

Brock needs someone to play off of in order to be interesting. It was Misty first, then Max and occasionally May, but then he had so little interaction with Dawn it was boring as shit.
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>>28596165
If Ash had won the league they could have switched MCs after Kalos.
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Tentacle rape when?
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>>28596189

Anon, are you serious?

Ash is the fucking face of the Pokemon Anime. He and Pikachu are Apple levels of marketable. There's no way in hell ANY company would just let that go for "story" purposes.

Or did you forget that the Pokemon Anime is primarily marketing for the Pokemon franchise, and only secondarily an actual story?
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>>28595220
Yuka Terasaki.
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What did she mean by this?

Was she going to rape Clemont?
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>>28596213
At this point it makes no sense to change him. After AG they lost any chance of doing it
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>>28593223
Im gonna cry myself to sleep
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>>28596165
They had a good build up to wrap him up if they wanted to do it now.

>>28596213
I'd say Pikachu more so than Ash.
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>>28593223
I just want an explanation
WHY?
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>>28596255

Yeah. The end of Johto was really the last time they had a chance to change out Ash for literally anyone else.

Once AG hit and Ash was confirmed for the same MC, it reached a whole new generation of kids, and he became synonymous with the franchise, not just the anime.
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>>28593223
Wasn't there an image similar to this with just Serena and then she like runs away or something?
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>This thread
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>>28593223
>Serena in that pic
Same.
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>>28596061
>>28596083
>>28596085
It's already hurting me and she hasn't even left yet. FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK!
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>>28595988
Not expected, but hoped. It was absolutely a possibility.
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>>28596294
That's not true either. Ash could have been axed after DP or XY. There's no rule they have to keep him.
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>They had a good build up to wrap him up if they wanted to do it now.
Story wise yes. In the real world though, there's NO reason to switch him out.

>I'd say Pikachu more so than Ash.
Pikachu is the face of the Franchise. Ash is the face of the Anime, or the second face of the Franchise. All the little kids will have favorite pokemon that aren't Pikachu, but they all relate to Ash
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>>28596107
Why I find this sexy? Should I worry?
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Who is your favourite anime writer? Mine is Takeshi Shudo. Every episode he has his name to has been really good. It's a pity they didn't take the show in a direction more like he wanted.
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>There's no rule they have to keep him.

TPC is there to make money. Keeping him is the best way to draw in the audience, retain the slightly maturing audience, and make the series recognizable.

Obviously there's no "rule" they had to keep him, but anyone who legitimately expected Ash to leave after AG was announced is retarded - unless for some reason you think companies don't like making very consistent income.
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>>28596379
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>>28596339
>Ash could have been axed after DP or XY

Yeah now you're just shitposting. Ash is way too ingrained into the series to just "remove".
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>>28596335
The same can be argued for every gen, anon.

>>28596339
Of course he could have been axed anytime, but I honestly don't see it as a good marketing move now (and the company seems to agree). It's simply too late
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>>28596343
>>28596381
Sure but seeing the direction SM is taking it would haven't been much of a big deal to change him.

It's a moot point though because they wasted the opportunity.
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Fuck you guys, I like Ash and I want to see him having adventures.
If you want complex storytelling read a fucking Borges short story, you lazy manchildren.
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You know, the news that the Satoshi Gekkoga power is going away makes the league loss a good deal easier to take.
It'd have left a pretty sour taste in my mouth if Ash's only league victory had required him to use some magic bullshit power he gained shortly before the league and lost again shortly AFTER the league.

Anyone?
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>>28596399
Ingrained into who? Older fans are not expected to follow the series, and younger kids come into every new gen not having seen the previous.
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So in the Final battle is Ash going to lose to Serena so that she has the courage to follow her dreams?

I dont want to watch Ash get so good as a trainer through XY and then at the end lose to a shit tier trainer like Serena. He better not throw, even though I really like Serena I wanna watch Ash style on her in battle.
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>>28596413
You are always assuming too much, hotshot.
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>>28596413

>Changing the Protagonist in a franchise recognized the world over after 20+ years
>Not retarded

You know the last series that tried to do that?

Dragon Ball.

It tried to change from Goku to Gohan.

You know how well that worked out?

It didn't. Absolutely no one fucking liked it. Sales actually dropped for the first time in the series. And they had to bring Goku back to save it.

Ash is here to stay forever.
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>>28596419
As much as this might trigger some in here, he makes a good point.
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How did he forget what a dragon type was?
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>>28596392
Cute.

>>28596409
>he could have been axed anytime
It didn't make much sense to axe him in BW specially after DP.

>>28596436
We don't know what happens yet, maybe she won't even accept the battle. Or it could be yet another battle Serena takes part that gets interrupted for a reason or another.
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>>28596409
Yes. I was there at the end of DP, and people were hoping Hikari would stay due to Pochama's secondary mascot status at the time too. And back then the playable character in the new games was pushed with an actual single design, while the Sun/Moon protags are given pretty generic ones to emphasize the ability to change them. And now it turns out the Sun&Moon anime seemingly isn't even going to use the game protags anyway.

There was a logic to their hopes. It was still hopes rather than expectations, though.
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>>28596436
He's going to throw.

He's been known to do it when it matters, and he'll want her to be a great performer, so he'll throw.
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>>28596480
>>28596433
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You know, I think I'm satisfied with the anime now. It's not that I hate SM and of course I want Ash to win the league and maybe they'd explore Serena's character some more and all that, but I lived to see the anime at the best it is allowed to be and nothing will top it, especially since they seem to rework the entire format next time. That just means that the show I grew up with is over, and that also means that the best time to jump off the ride would be with the end of XY&Z.
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>>28596510
Why must they do this to us.
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Thinking Ash could leave is on the same level of idiocy as thinking amour could have actually happened.
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>>28596486
No this shit again. He didn't know Exeggutor was also a dragon type in Alola.
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>>28596510
>He's going to throw
*tips fedora*
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>>28596343
Honestly they had the chance to do something incredible to end off Ashs story.

>Ash wins the Kalos League and gets a shot at the E4/Champions League
>Goes to Alola before hand to train himself and his Pokemon through the right of passage
>Evolves, trains, and catches new Pokemon and completes the trials
>20th anniversary happens and the final movie of the SM series is Ash starting his way to the E4/Champions League
>TPC roles in cash as they make a 5 part movie series revolving around Ash working his way up to the champion
>Promotes the final part like nothing they've ever done before, making it appear as if he will win
>Release the final movie with a simltanious world wide release where Ash wins and watch as they make 10 gorillion dollars as everyone pays to watch Ash win
>His final team for the champion he faces are all of his Aces and fan favorites.
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>>28596487
>It didn't make much sense to axe him in BW specially after DP.
Why? It makes as much sense as doing it now. If he's not creating value to the company, they axe him, simple as that. Why should they care if the previous series was better conceived?
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>>28596513
>>28596433

It's called brand recognition you dumb fuck. It's ingrained in pretty much everyone who's ever heard of Pokemon.

Ash is less of a character at this point and more of a symbol or an icon.

When people think "Pokemon" they think of one of two things - Pikachu, or Ash.

There's no fucking reason to change a major symbol of your franchise.
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>>28596554
Because in BW it was evident he was very far off his goal, not as much in DP or XY.
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>>28596519
Don't come with this bullshit. You won't go anywhere.
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>5 part movie series

That's a bit over the top, but you aren't exactly wrong.
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He'll probably wipe the floor with Serena, but then she'll fuck off anyway.
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>>28596480
Toriyama has said several times he brought back Goku because he didn't feel Gohan worked as a lead. Goku's return was set up in chapter 426, only 5 chapters into the Boo arc, there were no sales numbers to go by at the time that chapter was made.
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>>28596572
The games change protagonist every gen and so does everything else. If Ash was a game mascot similar to Mario or Link I'd understand, but he isn't.

The anime isn't even popular enough ratings wise anymore to even warrent keeping Ash around.
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>>28596436
What could exactly change with the result of the battle anyway?
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>>28596595
>if I lie about the ratings I can pretend to have a point
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>>28596486
It's Eggsecutor. He didn't know it was dragon type similar to how he didn't know about fairy type in XY. It'll be a teaching moment as he learns about Alola forms.

>>28596428
I feel like Greninja wasn't at full strength at the Kalos Finals like I explained here if this turns out to be true. >>28595196 >>28595873
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>>28595698
You tell me
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>>28596554
>If he's not creating value to the company, they axe him, simple as that.

This is correct.

Unfortunately, Ash is always creating value for the company. Until he stops doing that, he'll stay on.

>>28596588

>he didn't feel Gohan worked as a lead

No, Toriyama wanted to make Gohan the lead in highschool stories. Absolutely no one wanted the fucking highschool stories, and then Toriyama thought that Gohan wouldn't work well as the lead in the fighting stories.
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>>28596572
Some people should take a marketing course before talking as if things are as simple as they make it sound.
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>>28596365
>implying
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>>28596620
It still proves Ash himself is doing nothing for the shows popularity. Japan wouldn't care if he's gone as long as he got a proper ending/sendoff
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>>28596595

Ash is literally the mascot of the fucking anime. Pikachu is the mascot of the franchise.

The games changed protagonist as early as the second gen - if the anime had changed it as early as Johto, it'd make perfect sense.

But you can't go 6 fucking series over 20 years with one protagonist and expect the new protagonist to be automatically as recognizable and bankable as the old one. Since TPC isn't in the business of losing money, there's no reason to try to build up a new protagonist to his levels, so they'll never let Ash go and thinking they would any time after Johto is retarded.

>Lying about ratings

Fuck off.
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>>28596665
>I'm still talking out fo my ass.
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>>28596643
5 chapters, anon. There were no reader receptions to go on yet.The chapters are done a few weeks in advance, and it takes a couple weeks for reader feedback to come in. They didn't get a ton of "what the fuck where's Goku" letters after the very first Boo arc chapter and then say "shit, write Goku back in right now" right away.

Feedback just doesn't work like that.
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Okay guys, after all these thread I'm fucking tired of the whole rating thing. Once and for all:
Does it matter or not?
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>>28596576
Anon, you don't seem to get it. Let's suppose SM doesn't add nothing to the company: shit ratings, no significant profit out of merchandising, etc.
Now, do you honestly think any company would waste money to make a new season of a dead series just because XYZ was better than SM?
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>>28596690
And they can't do a new anime/reboot without Ash? You keep saying this but if they ever did replace him it'd be no different than usual.
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>>28596552
>tfw 20th anniversary movie will have SM art style
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>>28596690
>Trekkies
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>>28596699
3 weeks in advance at most. But you do have a point about Ash being the face of the anime.
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>>28596740
They can.

And it'd not be nearly as popular.

Remember how well Pokemon Chronicles did without Ash?

OH WAIT.
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/padt/-business school.
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So attack on titan takes place in modern times? what a bunch of crap.
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>>28596757
Those were specials that aired alongisde AG in Japan. Only in the U.S. dub were they made a series.
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>>28596749
Eh.

Star Trek was becoming expensive, both with actor salaries and all the old technology they had to keep up. The reboot let them bring down actor salaries, and include a bunch of new technology that made everything much cheaper to do.

If Pokemon was live action, a reboot makes perfect sense. But it's not - you don't have to pay a drawing more and more every season, and artist wages increase pretty minimally over the years.
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New bred:
>>28596774
>>28596774
>>28596774
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What would you tards going to do once I leave these threads?

Really makes you think
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>>28596773
Just like thinking Planet of the Apes was ours.
Wait, Liberty Statue...Forbidden Zone...
Oh my God, I was wrong, it was Earth all along!
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>>28596789
You're absolutely right.

And that changes nothing about how fucking much they bombed over here.

There was an entire series that aired in U.S. without Ash, and it flopped harder than a Magikarp with a seizure.
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>>28596718
It's not just the ratings, the merchandising matters a lot! As long as they make profit out of it they have no reason to change, mainly because the anime is secondary and the video games are the priority.
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>>28596601
Well if he doesn't throw he is probably going to destroy her in a battle and if he throws she wins and gains the courage to go on her own to be kalos queen. Which is what will most likely happen.
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>>28596718
>>28596828

There's two different ratings.

Critic Ratings and Viewership Ratings.

Critic Ratings doesn't fucking matter AT ALL, and the series has been doing pretty well aside from B/W. Usually 7+, it dipped down to 5 in B/W.

Viewership Ratings matter A LOT, and Pokemon's always in Top 10 in it's Time-slot, and usually it's Top 5 or just the most watched for hyped episodes. As long as it's in Top 10, it reaches enough people that they sell Merchandise to a bunch more, so it's profitable and nothing will change.
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All for nothing
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>>28596789
So? They bombed in NA. Pretty hard. That's proof positive that no Ash = shitty series that no one watches.
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